The Apple iPhone of [Insert Product Here]: Overpriced and Lovin' It

If you're an enthusiastic fan of Apple products, then I suggest you stop reading now. I thank my lucky stars OP posts can't get downvoted.

I'm sure you've heard of it already but if you're one of the few lucky people who haven't, the Apple in question mainly refers to the Apple iPhone, a mobile phone. The iPhone's main attraction, arguably, is its price in which consumers have a positive relationship with unlike most other products, that is, the higher the price of something, the more demand there is for it. The bandwagon principle may also apply (eg. everyone has an iPhone, I want one too). The iPhone's second most attractive "quality" is its ecosystem (iTunes etc). Similarly, this "feature", where users are effectively locked to a system runs inverse to attitudes elsewhere, where free (as in freedom of movement) is considered better (eg. open source software etc).

Long story short, people who buy iPhones are basically buying products that are simultaneously overpriced and under-performing (eg. old CPU, can't support 4G etc), relative to similar products in its price range, and heck, even when compared to products half its price range. An economist who subscribes to the "perfectly rational consumer" school of thought would be sweating right now. Note that there is a difference between being rational and rationalising but that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, a common running joke around these parts (these parts being OzBargain) is to call a non-phone product the "Apple iPhone of x". For example, expensive luxury sport cars aren't necessarily significantly better performing or better looking than cars 1/10 of its price but they still command the price they do. But this expensive car basically functions like an Apple iPhone, people buy it because it's expensive.

Here's a list of "Apple iPhones" in their respective product categories I've collected in my time at OzBargain. I'll add more when I come across them.

Dyson AM06 Desk Fan $399 RRP
For this price, I'm guessing it has like pollution-proof and smoker-proof functions or something.

Beats by Dr. Dre Studio
Step 1: Make headphones using poor quality material
Step 2: Attach the name of a cool hip black guy to the product name to draw in the young gullible consumers.
Step 3: Get Apple to purchase selling rights (because Apple knows its target market).
Step 4: Charge several hundred dollars for the Beats, even though for the same price (or less), you can get better quality headphones.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Profit

Glass Bottled Voss Still Water
Step 1: Find a free source of taxpayer-funded Norwegian tap water.
Step 2: Put the tap water into some glass bottles to ensure that one of the few possible benefits (portability) is gone.
Step 3: Using the money saved by stealing taxpayer-funded water, pour it into the facebook marketing division eg. pretentiously taking photographs of bottles of Voss in admittedly nice locales
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit (noticing a pattern here?)

Dyson V6 Vacuum Cleaner range
Are you telling me the V6s are 7 times more powerful than your standard $100 vaccuum? I don't think so. And what are all these attachments (worth an extra $100+) that I'm not going to use anyway and should've got for free? I can only see the V6 Absolute be worth its price if it came with an attachment that resembles a head of the opposite gender… At $700-$800, I expect a Dyson V6 to make good on the first letter of its name.

Telstra Broadband
Nobody enjoys being a monopoly more than Tel$tra. Firstly, in its inception, they get the help of the Government (money and labour) to set up the communications network and becomes Government-owned as it should be. Then the Government sells it to private interests without taking into considering the fact that Telstra dominates both wholesale and retail. Now Telstra owns the communications network (given to them by the Government remember) and every other ISP has to piggy back on it. So the retailers get screwed, the consumers get screwed, the future of the country gets screwed (NBN etc). Okay, I'll concede that Telstra has the best performing and stable network, but that is the bare minimum I would expect from a monopoly.

Apple MacBook
I'll just him explain

28/1 New Overpriced: Nandos
Why am I paying twice the price of KFC for the same amount of crappy chicken? I almost feel tempted to smother my entire chicken with your crappy Nando(tm) sauce just to feel less of buyer's remorse!

28/1 New Overpriced: Grill'd
Why am I paying twice the price of McDonalds/Burger King for the same size of burger? Granted, it is quite tasty but don't give me that "healthier option" BS. I'd almost feel okay with paying for your overpriced products if I could trust that you wouldn't underpay your employees… which you did so welcome to my s***list!

28/1 New Overpriced: Top of the line gaming graphics cards
Congratulations! You've just bought the most expensive and most technically advanced graphics card in the market! You've now got 2 problems. The first problem is biological in nature: you still need to upgrade your eye. So your game is running at 9000 frames per second/9000 hertz/9000 gigawatts. Too bad your eye can't see past 30fps, 60fps if you're lucky. The second problem is financial. In 1 month your $9000 brand new graphics card is now worth $90. "Future-proof" my ass!

Comments

  • +85

    Umm…k…?

    • -2

      [insert brand here] beard oil

      • -1

        Trying to just place your comment up top huh?

  • +47

    I disagree with the Dyson Vacuum cleaner.. I know V6 is just marketing, but I doubt there are many other vacuum cleaner brands that are better made for the same (on-special) price. Granted, I would never pay RRP for it, and would only fork out money to buy it when there is a uber special on OzB.

    • +10

      Love my V6 dyson. Never thought I'd spend so much on a vacuum cleaner…..batchelor pad unit.
      Besides fridge, probably most used appliance, so easy and convenient
      The cost has long been negated by convenience and use.

      • +1

        I had an Electrolux handheld previously, it costed me $160. Cheaper, but I found that I had to go over the floor twice to get it clean. I guess if you paid half the price, you have to do twice the work?

        Battery died on me a year later, which is when I got my Dyson and never looked back.

      • Won a V6 Absolute, and having 2 kids under 4yo this has proven a lifesaver! So easy just to quickly clean a mess, or a room :)

        • Lucky bugger…..

        • @albanyson:

          Yeah I know, something that we wouldn't really find the money for (if you know what I mean), but so damn handy!

    • +20

      Miele beats them hands down. Have had both and the Dyson was a PITA to empty and it's suction was no where near as good.

      • +1

        Agreed - I got one of them Miele sweeper ones (the huge one) from $1000 to $500 (saw it on ozbargain 2-3 years ago). One of the best vacuums I have used. Heavy but perfect everywhere else

      • I don't like Miele because the bags need to be replaced.

        • +1

          Total cost of ownership? I can see your point.

          Considering I only vac a small place and we don't own kids or pets, we haven't replaced the bag in six months; still plenty of room.

          Still didn't change the fact the Dyson had pressure points that started to wear after about 8 uses and every time we emptied, it was a procedure rather than toss it in the bin.

        • @togaboyau: What do you mean by "pressure points started to wear?". Didn't get it.

        • @virhlpool:

          Barrel design: where it swivelled at the base, near the hose. It started to wear from general use, from normal pressure applied at that point.

        • +4

          We worked out that for the amount we saved buying a Miele C3 Cat and Dog over an equivalent dyson product we could afford about 10 years worth of bags. Changing them only takes 15seconds and they're sealed off so no dust/dirt escapes in the process.

          Compare that to emptying a Dyson with a dust allergy and I know which option I'd go for.

        • If you want the best of both worlds, get the Turbo Dust Interceptor accessory from Godfreys: http://www.godfreys.com.au/turbo-dust-interceptor-1.
          I have 2 inside dogs and usually only have to change the bag once a year or so with this thing.
          Now that I have a Roomba as well, I don't expect to have to change a bag for years to come.

    • +4

      I got a Dyson because the wife wanted it bad, cost just under $800. cause all her friends who have spent so much on it, So i guess they all wanted them selves to believe it's worth the money and push there rubbish on her? So we got one.
      It's Totally "totally" not worth the money, No way! It looks cool. it vacuums well but how in the F does a extra $500 to $600 justify a sightly better Job????

      I do most of the Vacuuming in our place. I can not justify that price to anyone that asks. and i tell her friends, they just shrug it off.

      But it's only money right? The reason we come on OZbargains is for discounts and good products at a reasonable price.

      • I asked my boss what a good vacuum is and he said don't ask me ask a vacuum salesman. I went to Godfrey's and asked a guy that looked like he had been working there for about 10 years and he said "this one" is the best, simple, powerful and cheap, he sold me it for $150. It was called a work hero. Someone else I know spent ~$500 on a super awesome vacuum and theirs is already broken and my simple one is still sucking like there's no tomorrow. It is dead simple to use and you can wash the bags in a washing machine.

        Moral of the story? Get your advice from a good source. Don't ask a mechanic where to buy good diamonds.

        • +4

          Yeah ask the salesman what to get, what reason could he possibly have to BS you.

        • @stonkered: I guess it depends on whether you trust him or not.

    • Love my V6, use it almost everday, given i got it at ebay 20% and another $100 cashback, nothing comes close to the build quality and ease of use.

    • +1

      I concur, Dyson is awsome.
      Especially if you own a pet!

    • I bought V6 (basic one) for $350 in special and I highly disagree with you considering my price.

    • I recently bought the D6 Absolute (on special, of course) and I love it. I had a very hard time explaining the purchase to my partner though. "How can you buy a $900 vacuum?!" because I didn't pay 900 for it, obviously.

    • +5

      A lot of premium brands are granted the premium price because:
      1. They are the first to invent that. iPhone is the first smart phone, Android comes after, it's a fact.
      So is Dyson with their airblade, Nespresso capsule, iPad, Macbook Air, Apple trackpad.
      Columbus was once mocked: Anyone who sails west would found America. Your discovery is insignificant.
      Then Columbus asked them to make a boiled egg stand still. Nobody can. Then Columbus crack the egg so it's stand still.
      Then they said: If like that, we also can.
      Columbus said: Then why didn't you? It's not a matter if you can follow someone example, it's a matter of setting it.

      1. Not everyone is research maniac or ozBargain fanatic.
        People like to stick to something that they trust will work. If you usually driven Toyota, and never disappoint, switching to Kia would makes you nervous.
      2. Apple is user friendly. I believe the amount of time to teach Baby Boomers and Gen x Apple would take less time than Android.
        They just work, they are less fiddly to setup. Migrating data in Android takes some skills.
      3. Customer Support. This often is forgotten and yet crucial and expensive. Repairing Apple products is a pleasant experience. They swap your item with refurbished (like new) item instantly. Last year, I checked that Samsung needs 2-week wait.
        For iPhone, pay $150 or $250, and get your water damage phone replaced.
        If you are busy, this luxury is irreplaceable.
      4. Less iteration. This is where Android fails. Their product updates very frequently. A just released model is outdated in a few months.
        This is also why Apple stubbornly stick to 'S' iteration.

      Finally I'm not a fan of Android or Apple. I'm just explaining the basic rule of marketing:
      1. Advertisement, get them to know you exists.
      2. Trial, get them to try.
      3. Loyalty, get them to be happy with what they buy and buy again.
      4. Communication and feedback. Remind them that what they buy is right.

    • Miele cheaper and much higher quality made in Germany not China !

  • +33

    So er… whats your point?.

    • +9

      They do not have one.

      Their logic is that consumers should only look at the product specs to make buying purchases, but completely neglect that other factors such as, ease of use, trust, brand, (perception of) quality, warranty and return/replacement policy effects RRP.

      • +1

        They do not have one.

        rekt

      • Oh and I forgot - resale value!

  • +34

    So you've just listed off a bunch of products that you don't think are great value, congratulations! People don't want/use these products just because they are expensive…

    Dyson V6
    I have an older DC35 stick vaccuum that I paid a decent amount of money for and 4 years later It's still going strong - we use it so much more than a regular vacuum because it's cordless. I don't really think there are any comparable cordless products for quality / sucking power. Happy to be proven wrong…

    Apple Macbook
    If you compare a similarly specced dell or other brand laptop with the Macbook Pro Retinas they are are actually pretty comparable. As a web/mobile developer I find I am far more productive on a mac. I buy it for the build quality / software so it's worth it for me. (My partner has always had windows laptops and they have been far more unreliable).

    Telstra Broadband
    There are many places where there's just no other option. If it works better for you than other options it's completely rational to use it (cable / 3G/4G). In regional areas or on rims where telstra is the only one with DSLAMS it doesn't really work out worse value, especially if you sign up with belong.com.au. Their network and support is actually a lot better than it used to be and when compared to the downfall of iiNet standards recently then I'm not sure where else you'd find much better

    Dyson Fan
    Really don't understand this at all but I guess if you are rich and want something that looks cool????

    In summary many things you have mentioned are in no way objectively bad value. Beats by dre / monster cables and i'm sure other things are good examples in my opinion. If I want to go off on a value rant myself I would say why do people spend $100,000 on a sports car that can only go the speed limit on public roads anyway? shrug but it's just my opinion and other people value different things.

    • Telstra Broadband cable is quite good, reliable and fast.
      and customer service is better than most other providers.

      So I would not add this..

      Also for some ppl, they got no choice since other providers won't give them the faster speeds of cable etc

      • +1

        Id highly argue against the better "customer service than most providers". Working with them as both a customer AND as a company as part of my job, they are absolute garbage at providing customer service to the point where they don't just not do things, they flat out lie.

        • From my own experience their customer service is better than other providers that I have been with.

          They send a tech pretty quick if u report a problem.

          They also fix my issue pretty quick when I called them.

        • @tyler.durden: It took them 3 months to have a look at the copper outside of our house. We had no phone and internet for the duration. They expected us to keep paying our line rental also during this (LOL).

          Nothing can excuse some of the behaviour that I see them perform as a business as work (I work for HP). However I can't talk about those matters in more detail.

        • +1

          @tyler.durden:

          Apple have fantastic customer service and have dealt with any issues faster and better than any other company I've dealt with, yet you seem quick to add them to the list just because you don't like them??

        • @dbun1:

          not sure what you are comparing on about

          it is talking about different things..

          just cos service is one aspect don't mean it is everything for different purchases

          for a phone is about spec and what it cost to get those spec and iphone is just overpriced compared to android.

          ===

          Also I never need to get apple service, unlike a broadband where there is more problems.

          ==

          I never said I don't like them..

          I got a few apple products, ipad, ipod touch etc..

          I just think with regards to the iphone is an overpriced rip off.

        • Try dealing with Telstra on the regular. As a PC technician I've lost count of the number of nightmare support sagas I have had to help clients out with.

          Almost all of those instances was only rectified by contacting the TIO

      • How about TPG unlimited ADSL2+ broadband for $59.99? I have been using it for a year now and absolutely happy with it. Telstra couldn't match the price in ages! No customer service complaints whatsoever!

        • Have you heard of Belong? It's the company Telstra use to compete using it's own network but only in areas where there is competition. Otherwise you're left with Telstra to price gouge you. How is that legal?

    • Completely agree with you for Dyson V6.

  • +29

    Agree with all but the Voss water…$5 for an 800mL reusable glass bottle is pretty cheap. The water inside is just a bonus.

    • I'm going to disagree with you on the VOSS water. It's the best drink bottle I've ever had at work. The plastic ones used to crack and cost $5-$10 everytime you'd buy one. I bought mine on special for $3 and it's still going strong 18 months later

      • +2

        Mines about 2 years and in perfect condition.

        It's been the best water bottle Ive ever bought.

    • I got mine during a sale.

      THe best $2 glass bottle, or the only $2 glass bottle you can have!

    • I prefer the glass bottle in Voss. I need to drink a lot of water during the day and plain old water can get boring. The glass bottle makes it easy to add slices of lemon, cucumber, mint, strawberries etc to flavour the water and it cleans much better than plastic ever can.

      I think plastic water bottles are only designed for a few uses anyway before chemicals from the plastic seep into the water.

  • +14

    Behavioural economics makes it clear that people are not perfectly rational, not by a long shot.

    But let's take the iPhone as an example: Suppose your friends and family all have one, and you're not very technically literate. In that case, your top options for a smartphone are primarily between a $450 to $900 Android and a $1000 iPhone (comparing the iPhone against Android flagship models, and ignoring also-ran options like Blackberry or Windows Phone). And a rational person might reasonably conclude that the time saved in a slightly simpler interface, much longer support for updates (official update windows on Apple iOS devices is miles ahead of the short window for Android devices), and the network effects of apple chat/find my friends/facetime/etc, and time saved in familiarity, are worth the $100 to $550 price difference. Bottom line: it's not about specs, it's about what you can do with it. Disclaimer: I use Android, but my mum uses an iPhone, and for her it's been the right choice.

    • -6

      your comment about updates is wrong..

      you can get cyanogenmod for your phone, it has updates for many types of older phones..

      also some phones are just too old to get updates since it would just run slow..

      You can get cyanogenmod lollipop on samsung galaxy s2. So that is pretty good.

      • +12

        Rooting and installing Custom ROM isn't exactly a "normies" thing. Most people will just deal with the (well, now they're a bit better) stock software for the duration of their 2 years contract then buy the next phone. Apple's dubious official support (ehem, IOS6 on 3GS, IOS7 on 4, etc..) is better in comparison in their eye, even though for tech-literate people its not.

      • -4

        Rooting and Rom-ing a phone is the biggest waste of time I ever did.

        After thinking my S2 was the best thing ever and rooting and rom-ing was awesome, I one day realised that with my iPhone I never touched it because it did everyone I wanted perfectly. Yes, for some it doesn't do what they need, but for me, it just worked.

        • +2

          the reason why ppl install cynagenmod is cos they want a

          -pure android experience without bloatware
          -faster to get updates
          -or their old phone longer get updates.

        • +1

          @tyler.durden:

          and bugs galore
          I got sick of my S2 never working right because something was not implemented properly.

          If you want pure android then get a Nexus device and don't waste time.

        • +1

          @tyler.durden:
          If all those features came out of the box from HTC/Samsung - then you'd have an argument.

          Your argument is "I have the technical literacy to hack my device to make it awesome and customised for me".
          Most people dont have the time or technical knowledge to do that.

        • -1

          And like to lose features generally too.

          I have a Zenfone 2 and the amount of "I installed Cynagenmod and now I cant X" is amazing.

        • @massafiri: I totally agree. I really could not be bothered to do it. I know it would take like at least an hour and a half and then maybe there'd be an issue. I don't buy flagships, just whatever is on special from a brand I've heard before and I can tell you not every model has good cyanogen support. Last 2 of my phones had issues for example custom interface on top of android.

          Also I like the fact apple doesn't let background apps run. I love my battery on my phone and like that I can install lots of things and once they are shut, that's it I'm not going to be flat in half a day. I'm using an iPhone 4S and even though it's got a small glass crack, an aura in a corner of the screen, won't charge when connected to anything other than just a dc input. It still does everything I need. It makes calls, has accurate gps, can browse the web, can install apps but most importantly doesn't go flat.

          If I was going to buy any phone though I would probably get the Moto G 3rd gen, it has all those things but is also kinda-waterproof but also has a well rated battery and won't break the bank.
          http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/motorola-mo…

    • "and you're not very technically literate"

      Why of why do you need a $450 to $1000 phone if you are not very technically literate?
      I do 10x more with my $50 ZTE Buzz than my mate can do with his iPhone, he just uses it as a phone,music and camera and I'd hazard a guess that most users dont use them for much more than that either.

      • +1

        I think we might actually be agreeing with each other :-) To explain:

        If you're not very technically literate, then you'll probably go for a more expensive flagship option first, because you'll look at when people around you have, and ask how happy they are, and have no interest in modding or custom ROMs or rooting, and that's what most of the phone stores are selling & have on display, so you can play with them, touch them, get familiar with them to see if they are right for your needs. And a more expensive option is probably not a bad approach in that situation. Even if that person's needs as quite basic.

        Personally, I went the other way around, started off buying one of the cheapest available Android phones, put custom ROMs on it, and when it got too slow even after a factory reset and flash with latest ROM, then I upgraded to a phone with good reviews. Plus every phone I've bought since 2003 has been using a front-page deal on OzBargain. That pathway lead me from $0 for a Nokia N95 in 2007 (Citibank stuff-up on number of reward points required, paid with ~$100 of rewards points, but no out-of-pocket cost) -> $99 Huawei U8150 in ~2010 -> $360 Samsung Galaxy Nexus in mid-2012 -> $420 (after cashrewards) LG G4 in Oct 2015. So my tight-arse nature + technical capacity to be willing to install custom ROMs where possible has lead me start cheap, and slowly pay more as I became more convinced of the merit to me of a good mobile with a good camera.

        So it makes perfect sense to me that you get more out of the your $50 buzz than your mate does with his iPhone, it's consistent with the above viewpoints. And I'd hasten to guess that both of you are probably quite happy with the choices that you've made, right? That's because in both cases, your actions match your ideas of what the right approach is. I.e. the right approach is different for different users.

    • I would value all those pros of iPhone IF it would come for special prices like any Android devices do now and then. For example, I bought my Samsung S5 on special for $322 and I don't regret at all though it isn't my favourite phone. But paying full price for iPhone pinches and makes me feel that it's not worth it.

  • +32

    But wait…

    It your previous post on 22/06/2015 https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/199584 "I will probably buy the next Dyson or Miele Vacuum Cleaner that shows up on OzBargain (because my carpet is a hair forest)" you were considering Dyson product and now you dis them.

    Is it seven months and the love is gone? lol

    • +7

      Bahaha, good catch.

      • -8

        Not really a great catch, it just proves that I am impartial. I still like my V6.

        • +28

          While you are vacuuming with your V6, are you also listening to your beats with tunes pumped out by your iPhone? =D

        • @gummibear: with Dyson fan ON and Voss bottle in one of your hands? =D

        • @gummibear: (and by Dr Dre)

    • -7

      Actually now you mention it, I'd place Miele in this list for all of their products. Have found them to be unreliable and massively over-priced.

    • +1

      Love can go in seven hours.. seven months is too long a time.

  • +29

    people who buy iPhones are basically buying products that are simultaneously overpriced and under-performing (eg. old CPU, can't support 4G etc), relative to similar products in its price range, and heck, even when compared to products half its price range

    You completely missed the point. Apple "just works" due to Apples tight rein on the hardware and software. Android does not just work.

    This is likely because Apple designs devices and software for a good user experience as soon as the device starts. Android is an OS designed by a company that derives 90% of it's revenue from display ads and saw having an OS as a good way to spy on billions of people for free.

    • +2

      I'm mainly an Android user so I never thought about Android that way but it's great point!

    • +3

      And when apple doesn't "just work" apple deny warranty and blame the user.

      Source: personal experience.

      I have enjoyed the way Android just works come rain or shine in the many years since walking away from Apple.

    • +1

      Or it is because you have to be really really dumb to support only 1 piece hardware and still have bugs… Did they fix Apple maps btw?

      Not to mention that optimization is easy to do when you know it can be x or xs (or is it plus…).

      But hey enjoy your choices anyway… who needs choices when somebody can just tell you what is cool.

    • +1

      I agree with your point but it the price difference doesn't justify the benefits. And let's not forget that iPhones have some negatives too (lack of memory expansion, etc.) and ideally we should minus the amount for it from the premium we are willing to pay for iPhone.

    • +3

      Tell that to all my family members who keep calling me for support because their stupid Apple devices don't "just work". The fallacy that Apple devices 'just work' and never get viruses is thanks to the marketing train that have brainwashed people over the last decade or so. They bank on people's laziness in having the effort to learn something new or be able to understand anything above the level of a 5 year old by appealing to the lowest common denominator of intelligence in society.

  • -1

    Ummm, don't people pay premium because they like certain aspects?

    Beats, I personally think while the older ones were pretty much pretty headbands that you use as a fashion accessory more than anything. That said, I think they did offer something that not many headphones offered back then, decent design. Besides, newer ones in my opinion are alright, at least Solo2 was alright.

    I would completely agree that old Beats products were not worth the money for how it sounded though.

    1. The teardown is likely to be on fake one, according to these guys, even though people tend to ignore that. Material cost on headphones probably is only a fraction of the total cost anyways.

    2. Apple bought Beats for Beats Music I think, judging from how Beats I don't think have been producing new headphones recently. Besides, in terms of earphones, Apple actually produces alright quality devices at reasonable price. 2BA headphone for $100~200 when it came out was almost unthinkable, let alone Knowles BA units. I personally think EarPods are reasonable for its price and for what it is (an open earphone).

    3. In terms of headphone market, Beats did introduce a trend of decent design on outdoor headphones. Good design is very subjective but I think Beats probably started this trend of (or at least one of the earlier ones that used) outdoor headphones with good design (i.e. Sennheiser started introducing multiple coloured models like Momentum after this has become a fad). While I don't think the design should be the major point when it comes to choosing headphones, for some people it is.

    Dyson, well V6 is a portable wireless one that uses battery. You shouldn't compare it to a conventional vacuum cleaner, it'd probably be similar to desktop vs laptop argument. You pay for the form factor (and for the brand name as well). It's pricey and I wouldn't buy one at its RRP, but the price is not completely unjustifiable.

  • +4

    So someone likes Pepsi another likes Coke, and these products are 10 -20 times more expensive than water.

    The point being?

    And pointing this out will it change the world from drinking high priced, low value sugared water?

    Smells like trolling

    ROFL

    and then there is a $3500 watch discussed here.

    All it does is tell the time, which watches have been doing for hundreds of years. Cant even speed it up or enable you to travel

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/230757

    • Agree with high priced, ow value sugared water but it doesn't pinch the pocket of a common man since the amount is very small. And the nice cola taste for that tiny premium is probably worth going for it, of course if it's not an everyday affair.

  • +8

    Sounds like the OP likes to rant about how other people spend their money. Also sounds like the OP has very little experience with the products he is dissing. I can see the bridge and the billy goats from here.

  • +1

    I'm not really sure on the purpose of the original post but i support 100% android was my first smartphone Galaxy s (nokias before this) and i have never wanted an iphone one bit.

    while some people make the argument that iphones "just work" it always leaves me thinking WTF are people buying if all there android phones suck so bad? ive never had a single problem with any android phone ive owned in my life. Most likely they are too much of an apple fanboy to give android a proper go and much rather ride the hate train than say something good about android.

    To this day ive yet to come across a single reason why spending 1k+ on an iphone is worth it compared to a flagship android device from any of the top makes Samsung,LG,Sony,HTC etc…

    • +6

      Most likely they are too much of an apple fanboy to give android a proper go

      But you also said this.

      i have never wanted an iphone one bit.

      So does that also qualifies you as a fan boy?

      The real truth, is that it's ok for anyone to make their own choices for their own reasons and your choice is totally suitable for you. Enjoy.

      Lecturing others like the OP isn't respectful. As you say its fanboyism

      Competition is great for ozbargainers.

      • Ive owned iphones in the past for a few days bought and resold cause they where very cheap. It was an iPhone 5s, from the few days I found everything harder to do and missing useful features from android like Google now which even after downloading it didn't work properly.

        It did also lag but I know 5s isn't 6 or 6s.

        If I didnt have a s6 edge now and could of gotten a 6s for the same $598 price i could keep it as everyday phone but the money difference between say my s6 edge and a 6s it doesn't justify it doing mostly the same things android still much more open to do other things. While this may seem that money is the reason I didn't get an iPhone i wouldnt of chosen the iPhone even if it where the same price.

        I'm over the hating though spend your money on whatever you like I'm with Android as its always worked just how I like it to with zero issues.

        • +6

          With respect "owning" something for a few days doesnt cut it.

          If you are used to Android, then switching to IOS would take some time. Likewise for a reverse switch.

          You are comfortable with Android, and thats great for you.

          Just like someone who is into Windows, switching from that to Mac or Linux is going to involve relearning the way things are done, and it's not going to be comfortable.

          Thats why i tell friends to consider carefully if they make the switch either way. Its going to be annoying when you have to relearn an interface

        • @RockyRaccoon: Maybe for some people but my main problems where not with the IOS as i understood it didn't have a back button which im used to aswell as many other missing customization things which i normally don't change much of, my problem was with applications which i expected to be the same as their android counterparts.
          I use Facebook and on android when on groups like a buy and sell group you can search for a keyboard or item i found this missing on the iPhone application.

          I agree with the windows to max or linux as that's a huge difference but the difference between IOS and android is not much now days,sure android customization is way beyond IOS but that is not for everyone.

          But this doesn't change the fact that apple charges a premium for a not so premium device with not so premium features.

          I don't really understand why people act like learning a different interface is so hard.

          simply changing android brands is no different when you have Samsung with touchwiz vs stock android it's very different.
          Recently i went from a Samsung galaxy note 3 to a Galaxy s6 edge,I had to relearn the capacitive buttons as the left button on the note 3 was a menu button and holding the center button would bring up the opened apps draw.
          well now the left button is the recent apps draw and holding the center button opens up google now.

        • @holden93: Triouble is that you are trying to rationailse decisions made for many reasons, plus based on what is important to you. Which isnt what I am really posting about. I am not defending the Iphone, I am defending the right for people to choose what they like at a bargain price relative to their preference.

          eg Coke vs Pepsi vs Water

          So no need to go any further. All power to you on the intelligent decisions you make for you.

          Which comes back to the orginal points.

          We are all different and the OP like a number of people here, cant comprehend that others can make decisions in life that are also different.

          As he said many here ridicule the iPhone, and do so in many of the bargain posts. Even the owner of the site has shown personal preference for Android. The example used on blocking posts is to do with iPhone.

          http://blog.ozbargain.com.au/2012/blocking-stores-and-users-…

          But this ridicule of other ozbargainers has an effect that could mean the iphone ozbargainers dont bother posting here as much. If the place becomes unfriendly to you why bother.

          So do I tell my purple leaning friends they are idiots for voting purple, or do I just avoid purple political discussion with them and keep my friends? I know what I like to do, how about you?

    • -2

      yeap,

      and there are more android phone users in the world than iphone..

      the argument that "it just works" is pretty retarded.

      • Most of those people bought an Android phone because it was cheap, that's it.

        • +2

          cheap or value for money?

          Apple products are way overpriced and has increased in priced from previous years.

        • +1

          @tyler.durden: I suppose if someone thinks a $99 handset is value for money then more power to them. People will buy either what they want or what they can afford; no one can tell them otherwise. To do so is just strange behaviour. Also making posts to rubbish a person's choice of purchase is strange too, not sure why some feel the need to do that.

        • +2

          @gokhanh:

          I can afford those apple iphones, but I choose not to cos they are way overpriced and rip off.

          Also they drip feed you new improvements in their phones each year.

          e.g. Iphone 6 big screen has been in android phones for many years now, before apple decided to implement it in iphone 6.
          but not before they had ppl buy their many other smaller phones..

          Then the isheep thinks this is revolutionary.

          4k recording is available on android phones way ahead of apple..before they decide to implement it..

          Their shitty front camera took many iterations before they decide to increase the resolutions is pretty lame as well.

          So if u think paying $1000+ each year for an iphone that has tech that is behind android is good deal then go for it.

          ===

          Also why don't you read the thread title before making your comment about rubbishing comment.

        • +3

          Most people in Australia can easily afford iphones, as they do not buy them outright. On a contract you might pay $80 or $90 a month, which anyone with a job can afford. Hence even in poorer areas iphones are common. It really isn't a particularly premium thing. Those same people don't drive Mercs and BMWs.

          I had an iphone for around 3 years. Decent, functional and adequate but certainly not perfect and I found itunes very frustrating to use. It wasn't the amazing experience it was sold as, mainly by other iphone users. But it was fine, a decent phone.

          I am now back with android and very happy with it because android gives you the chance to buy a very well specced phone at a fraction of the price of an iphone. I prefer to own outright as I can then use low cost phone plans that are available and am not tied to a two year contract. I just bought a Xiaomi Redmi note 3 for under $300 and it is excellent, both in functionality and build quality. It even has a fingerprint scanner, demonstrating that you don't need to spend $1,000 to get one!

          Older versions of android may have been difficult to use compared to ios, but that is no longer the case and hasn't been for several years.

        • +1

          @tyler.durden:

          All 'flagships' are around the $1k mark now and have increased in price over the years too.
          No different to the iPhone.

        • @dbun1:

          not really, flagships android are generally priced $100 below iphones
          and they drop price more quicker than iphones

          iphones only drop price once a new iphone comes out

          ===
          also not everyone is buying flagship, they got a other phones that are well spec but in the $300 to $500 category

        • @tyler.durden:

          Yes, and that quicker price drop means you can kiss your resale value goodbye too.

        • @dbun1:

          That's up to each individual if they want to resell it but I don't give a shit about paying $1000+ phone each year just to get some drip feed
          spec phone that is available in android 2 years before etc..

        • +2

          @tyler.durden:

          and therein lies the beauty of good resale value.
          I only pay, on average, $150-$200 to change over each year as my 'old' iPhone sells for such a good price.

          Regarding 'drip feeding specs' - I'm still waiting for the ability to log in to my banking apps on my Samsung Note 4 (work issued). Proper Touch ID integration is only coming to Android in the newest Marshmallow update - something that iPhone has had for years now. Previously manufacturers were all doing their own half-arsed implementations that no apps supported.

          I don't care about RAM, CPU etc (of which iPhone still benchmarks very well against 'better' spec'd devices) - I care about useful features like proper Touch ID integration that I can use day-to-day and saves me time. 3D/Force Touch will gain more usefulness as more apps adopt it, but already with the stock apps being able to launch shortcuts is very useful once you've used it. My Note 4 with all its widgets and mods doesn't offer me the same level of efficiency.

        • +1

          @dbun1: But you get Android phones for a special price in deals unlike iPhones which never have deals.

        • @Brianqpr: Just because your spend is distributed over months doesn't mean that it isn't a spend, nor it increases your overall affordability in a year. It's still an expense. It's high time people understand it.

        • My spend in total will be about $700 over 2 years if I keep the phone that long. For that I get access to Optus 4g and a very decent device.

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