What is the penalty for speeding 140km/h in a 60km/h limit in NSW? I know Roads and Maritime website says >45km/h is license suspension but I heard there is a jail term too?
Speeding 140km/h in a 60km/h Zone in NSW
LTerra Australis on 25/10/2015 - 22:18
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If you are going to try it out, surely you can get faster than 140. 160 is a good target, 100mile/her.
88mph will do.
OP, you're just not thinking fourth dimensionally. In 1885 they didn't even have speed limits.
the speed of light is the universal speed limit
Here we go again…
$2360 fine, 6 points, vehicle impounded, licence suspended, HEAD READ.
Now the real question is… how do I get out of it?
don't get caught
talk to an army guy (from other country start with S), everything is legal as long as u don't get caught (i think it's bad advise)
That 'S' country will cut up your license and ban you for life from driving if you get caught.
what country starting with S?
move countries.
You will also be potentially tried in a court for reckless driving depending on the circumstances.
And the penalties for file sharing are still worse…
Most likely have a day in court, and that will determine if there is jail time or not.
Put it this way, have you ever seen the Shawshank Redemption?
So… the OP steals money from the jail, digs his way out but not before he befriends Morgan Freeman and share his wealth with him after they both make it out? Man I need to speed more if that is the case… Morgan Freeman is awesome
He will also get bummed though.
HAHAHAHA!
Awkwardly narrated the whole time by Morgan Freeman
I think your forgot to mention the part about spending 20 years without freedom and being frequently targeted by The Sisters until a last visit nearly kills you. If that's up your alley, go for it, son! Although…. you do get to chat with Morgan all that time.
Didn't that stop after he started doing accounting work for the prison? I havent seen that movie in ages.
@ProjectZero: Once would be enough to put me off but that's right. He got some protection once he started on the finances.
Sorry OP. Here he is wanting help and I'm talking about him being bummed and spending time with Morgan Freeman. My apologies.
More like, have you ever seen Midnight Express? "Ohhh Billy… I wish I could make it better for you…"
Put it this way, have you ever seen Oz?
You are screwed dude.
Is that royally or just the run of the mill screwed?
Yeah, proper fooked, before zee Germans get there.
Mate of mine got screwed over at the cross city tunnel. There was road work(40km/h), but he went the regular speed. He was 40k over, and he lost his license for 6 months.
How is that getting screwed over? Was the roadwork speed limit not well signed?
You are screwed dude.
Meaning, jail-time with Bubba?
you will be cast away in a deserted island for eternity
Tom Hanks style?
Let me guess, you're asking for a friend..
Friend of a friend, whom you have no relationship with
Girlfriends brothers ex-partners sisters babysitter.
OP's Location:
Melbourne, VIC
I'm guessing they blasted through a NSW town on the Hume.
Girlfriends brothers ex-partners sisters babysitter.
What does that make them?
Asking for your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate XD
"What does that make us??? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Which is what you are about to become…."
What does that make them?
Confused.
@Dezy: Nice work managing to work in a Spaceballs reference on a post that started with someone asking the dangers of going to ludicrous speed.
@YTW: Love your work buddy xD
"Sir, are you sure this is a good idea, the car has never gone this fast before…"
Loss of licence and a big fine. No jail time.
Unless particularly reckless or repeat offender.
Yeah, I'm assuming he wasn't being pursued by police. Even if he was then it doesn't mean that a custodial sentence will be given. I was watching one of those highway patrol programs on TV. This guy on a motorbike sped away from the cops, went on the wrong side of the road and behaved in a very dangerous manner. No jail sentence for him, just a $2000 fine and 6 months drivers suspension (I was very surprised by the penalty - way too soft). Funny thing about it was that 2 weeks later he was caught again. Some people just don't learn.
To the OP: make sure you learn from this mistake. If you were in WA then there's a chance your car would be crushed. 80 kms over the limit in a 60 zone is incredibly dangerous.
@jelko whether or not it is incredibly dangerous is all a matter of context. Whether it is was dumb is not.
Our speed limits in most places aren't really related to safety. Safety is also dependant on time of day etc.
As an example there is a road with a 60km limit near a university I know of, no housing, but lots of folk park on it and walk through the bush into the university. I was booked there on a weekend once (only 10 over). Which is a ridiculous place for a speed trap on a weekend. You also have places like industrial estates which are abandoned out of hours etc.
It's the reason why there will be a day in court to determine punishment.
There won't be jail time, but there may be a court hearing to determine whether or not you should be subject to more than just a fine. (Licence removed for extended periods etc.)
The driver should be shot on the spot.
Shot huh? Say cheese!
The driver should be shot on the spot.
What about for 79 km/h over the posted speed limit?
At what excessive speed should a driver be put to death rather than a lesser penalty in your opinion?
:/
At 79 km/h…that depends…
If the driver is a duck, yup it will be shot on the spot too. :D
he should feel personally, what it feels to be hit by a car that goes at 5kmh and one that goes at 80 kmh. ( 140kmh - 60 kmh )
That would be great - that gives the O.P. a chance to see the cyclists, pedestrians and those on side streets expecting any traffic not loudly declaring their presence with sirens and flashing lights, moving only 16.6 meters a second rather than 38.8, and react "immediately" [within the 46.6 meters an alert S.A.S member would take for the recognition of such a hazard translate to a trained cerebral nervous signal response reaching the muscles in the ankle…]
Your 1.2 second reaction time sounds unsafely slow. From what I have read a good reaction time is 0.5 seconds (including both noticing obstacle and moving foot from accelerator to depress brake) (1). 90% of the population should be under 2.5 seconds.
An old car should be able to stop from 140km/h in under 100m. A good modern car should be able to stop from 140km/h in under 75m (2). If the OP had a good car and reaction time they could stop from 140km/h in 95m. 90% of the population should stop from 140km/h in under 200m. (A racing driver in a standard race car may stop from 140km/h in 62m, 35m in an F1 car). [Sorry, I got carried away]
Lidar is designed to be used between 300m and 1200m away (3). So like you said, if you can get caught speeding by a fluro coloured car with flashy lights then it’s unsafe to be speeding.
(1) http://www.howacarworks.com/advanced-driving/reaction-times
(2) Used braking time from 100km/h of 40m from (4) to find co-efficient of friction then plugged into simple deceleration formula (5)
(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIDAR_speed_gun#How_police_LiD…
(4) http://www.sdt.com.au/safedrive-directory-STOPPINGDISTANCE.h…
(5) http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/crstp.html#c2
Thank you so much for posting this. I'm guessing that if he's the type of driver to be doing 140 km/h in a 60 zone, it's quite probable that we're talking about a performance vehicle with a decent brake package.
"I have read a good reaction time is 0.5 seconds"
You may be right - assuming a trained driver not having to take the time to identify "what" they are responding to, then the fastest the signal that a change has occurred could pass from the retina to the visual cortex would be 1/3 of a second, assuming the neurons were class III thin myelinated sensory fibres [ Erlanger-Gasser Classification A delta], however it is more likely they are class IV un-myalinated [E.G. class C] fibres, with a maximum propagation time of between 0.5 to 2 meters a second - with the lower speed, given the minor delay of pre-transmission retinal processing probably being a good basis for a accurate assessment of the time it is physically possible for the visual signal to even get to the brain.
There's your 1/2 a second already. With a very short signal to the cerebrum then a trained pattern of motor signals could be issued to hit the pedal and they would travel along very much faster motor neurons.
Have you ever played the game of "Drop the banknote"? That's where you hold your hand ~ 8" below the note held vertically in someone else's hand, and try to catch it when they release it.
If you succeed, you keep the note. It was one of the old-time "sucker" bets in the public bars;-)I don't agree with Erlanger-Gasser fibre classifications in regards to fibre speeds. From the papers of theirs which I have read, communication along fibres is instantaneous. There is a negative spike at the end of the fibre at the moment of simulation (Figure 1, https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/1811/3153/1/V41N0… ).
Ignoring all the electrical stuff I disagree with (their paper was written before modern electrical theory was developed), my understanding is they used dead tissue which will dry out and loose conductivity quicker in thin fibres invalidating their results.
I am sure there is current research expanding their results with different conclusions. For example the following results would be impossible if their results are to be believed:
Using Human Benchmark dot com I averaged 270ms using a wireless mouse and my left big toe. My slowest of 5 tries was 299ms.
Using my right pointer finger I averaged 252ms (slowest 274ms).
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime (I am only using this website as a quick indication that the 0.5ms claim may have some merit).
I have extremely little understanding of neurological systems so please excuse my ignorance. I am replying because nothing I have read makes sense with regards to electricity. I can explain my concerns if you're interested in this topic otherwise I don't want to waste your time.
Sorry, I saw this a bit late. One point to bear in mind is that although neuron transmission is measured as and electrical charge, the transmission is via chemical diffusion, and the propagation is electro-chemical. The original stimulation elicits a chemical and/or membrane transformational change in the neuron, leading to a de-polarisation of the membrane. The mechanical action or the attachment of calcium ions changes the shape of a protein and sodium ions rush in to balance an isotonic gradient. The action propagates down the axon, resulting in the release of the neuron's neurotransmitter from depolarised vesicles at the synapse. When enough receptors on the receiving neuron are stimulated by the chemical diffusing over, that neuron is then triggered and signals.
It does pay to be trained , fit and young :-)
When you say repeat offender, do you mean multiple 140km/h offences or even multiple small speeding fines?
"Sucks that you got done."
No it doesn't. Good riddance. I hope they crush the car, not just impound it.
What did the car do wrong, except have an owner/driver that was reckless?
The car crushing thing has to be one of the most wasteful laws that people are on board with.
It will teach these idiotic drivers that there are consequences for the actions. Not just a fine, lost license and few demerit points. Take away and destroy their car permanently. If they have money owing on it, all the better. With their car actually gone, it will also make it that much harder for someone without a license to just jump back into their car and keep driving.
@TailsK: The same could be achieved by simply taking the car off them permanently, auction it off to the public or something more creative. There's some argument out there that it kills the owner's spirit (assuming the car was modified and they poured lots of time and money into it), but taking it off them and leaving them with the debt (if any) is pretty spirit killing too. Crushing it is a waste of resources.
Absolutely. The justice system in this country is pathetic. I believe the unfortunate driver deserves to undergo a safe driving course, as well as undertake the safe driver program to ensure he doesn't do it again.
Loss of license, heavy fines or car crushing is far too much in this instance.
Would you be saying that if it was your child, brother, sister, parent or friend that was killed because of someone's speeding?
Accidents happen, but driving 140 km/h in a 60 zone is no accident. It is a reckless and idiotic decision.
@rloos: if they auction the car, what's stopping them from getting their relatives or friends to buy the car back?
@iSamurai: I don't see why that should be restricted or worried about. A Hyundai Excel is capable of doing 140km/h (maybe it would take some time, and not in most 60km/h areas perhaps; sure [I Googled it, apparently they can reach 174km/h!]) - the point here is that it's not a car or range of cars that turns people into unsafe drivers/speeders, it's the person behind the wheel. Some cars help by being overpowered for the streets, but it still takes a drivers' inputs for the car to do anything.
All for punishing the driver in whatever appropriate way if they prove not to learn the right thing, but don't punish the poor cars. :)
@droptester: I guess my original thought was that they might want the car back for sentimental value :P
@rloos: " that it's not a car or range of cars that turns people into unsafe drivers/speeders"
This is not true. If you have, say, 350HP of power under your, so to speak, ass, you turn into a road warrior.
For example, most BMW drivers are not behaving like most of the other drivers.
Maybe most of them are idiots from the beginning, and that's why they buy BMW
or they spend so much money on the car, that they get frustrated when they have to wait for the light to turn green, the same as drivers in a much less expensive car.@cameldownunder: That has nothing to do with the car - that's people feeling/thinking they're special because the car they bought; entitled perhaps, or better than other plebs?
I have a weekender WRX and most of the time I'm being passed by everyone in any and every car, people clearly disregarding the speed limit by at least 10km/h - I see them at the next set of lights, or sometimes catch them at the freeway exit.
Owning a nice/powerful car doesn't automatically change the way you drive though. Statistically speaking, it does seem to help or influence, but as you said, maybe they were idiots from the beginning and the car just seals the deal.
Good luck…
… to anyone in the vicinity if they do it again.
You're a bloody idiot or weren't paying enough attention if this was you and you missed 60km signs.. A friend in the ambulance service has to deal with the aftermath of those not 'lucky' enough to get caught and try and change their ways. Spare a thought for others.
Is there anywhere that 140 is legal? No. He's probably 30 over any speed limit anywhere near by. Just crazy.
There is apparently a road in Australia that has no speed limits… but that is for transversing the outback so not in an urban environment
Yep. No sympathy.
I'm pretty sure in the desert around Indigenous communities there's no speed limit. When we were there a few years ago we were doing 140-180km's/hr and being overtaken from time to time. No road signs anywhere, rare to see police anywhere….
Was that in NSW? OP specifically said he was in NSW. As far as I'm aware there's no where you can drive over 110 km/hr in NSW.
IF your backyard is long enough, or your car can speed up fast enough
Best stick to race tracks if you want to do that. You can be booked on private property if it's accessible to the public.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/58779/road-rules-its-time-take-s…
If you are in a DeLorean, just go back two hours and let the air out of the Police Car's tyres.
Just remember to take plenty of Plutonium, or you might be stuck 2 hours in the past… FOREVERIf you're in a DeLorean, why drive in the first place… Flying is the way to go… We are in 2015 after all.
I'm assuming his previous failed attempt at reaching 141.622 km/hr (or 88 mph) on the 21st of October was what led to these troubles in the first place.
The lesson here is don't do a Back to the Future marathon and take LSD.
Maybe the Flux capacitor was broken?
Guess he'll have to wait til next year April to get his hands on a new Flux capacitor from jaycar…
Pretty sure you'd have to hit 88 mph which is 141.622km/h.
Sucks he didn't make it all the way :(
From what I know, Legal aid should be able to tell you, they have the offence and penalties in a table. Some things that modify this are prior offences and circumstances of the actual offence.