Harassment by Telstra and Indication of False Allegations

This is one long post but please read it till the end if you can (what I want to know is if I should really go to extreme extents to tell Telstra that it is not okay or I should just let go)

I basically ordered three $30 simcards (cashrewards.com.au had a deal where you could get these simcards for $15 plus a $10 cashback essentially making it $5, see https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/205519). I had to make a different order for each sim card since the cashback was per order. So, then I received an email stating that my Telstra order was processed and would be sent to me shortly. Shortly afterwards, I receive a text message stating that my orders have been put on hold and I would need to call the Telstra control group on 1800096566. I then called them up and asked them what the issue was. They then said that I would need to take my licence or passport, medicare card, proof of address and payslip (or anything that confirms my employment). I was outraged and told them that while I had no issues in providing my identity or address proofs, I would not give them my employment details and they had no business in knowing about my employment as it was a prepaid service). To this, they answered that it was a process that they had to follow to establish my account (which was bull crap as I had ported in my Vodafone prepaid number a couple of months ago to Telstra without providing them with any detail except for my passport). I insisted that I be transferred to an Australian call centre as I did not think he had any idea about what he was talking about. The documents he required for, are for postpaid services and not prepaid. Telstra's own link https://www.my.telstra.com.au/activate? ti=TR:TR:june12d paapp repaidactivationa states that you either need a passport OR a licence OR a medicare card for prepaid activation. AMTA website has similar information www.amta.org.au/files/AMTA.Individual. ID.Form.pdf Fast forward a few days, I went to the store with my passport, medicare and a letter from ATO. The store rep stated that she did not understand why all that information was required and that a passport should suffice (and she even left notes on my order that only primary id is required). Despite this, I got a call from control group again, stating that while they did receive the documents I submitted at the store, they would need MORE IDS. They said that they would need a utility bill on my name and I told them that I do not have one and I live with my family. They then said that they would need a written statement from my cousin (who owns the house) that I am living with him (get this! THEY ARE READY TO TAKE A HANDWRITTEN LETTER FROM MY COUSIN BUT A LETTER FROM ATO ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!) All this, for a PREPAID SERVICE THAT I PAID UPFRONT FOR!

Now, some of you may come back and tell me "just do not use Telstra if you do not like them". My answer to them is that regardless of whether I want to be with them or not, they have no right to ask me for information that is not needed to process my order and I also do not want anybody else (there could be a few who have access to only Telstra network where they live) to go through the same amount of frustration and I am going to shame them so much that they would effectively lose so many customers (complained to TIO already, my next stop is VCAT and consumer affairs because they are still holding to the money I paid them despite them telling me that they would not provide me the service. funny how they think I am fraud and would not give me service but hold on to 'fraud's money'). I am planning to post this everywhere, on social media, on change.org, print a few copies and put them in public places.

So, today, I received a call back from a Telstra rep in Melbourne who acknowledged the complaint and tried to tell why Telstra control group need what they need. The reason my account was flagged was because I had a different address than what I had a few months ago (I moved! I do not see that a person moving from one place to another would make you think that he could be a fraud. Almost everyone in Australia would have an address change at least once in their lifetime). To this, I replied that I did indeed move and hence the change in address and that I do not see that as a reasonable cause for suspicion. She also said that all they were trying to prove was I was me. I then advised her that I took originals of my passport, Medicare and an ATO letter to a store and that my passport had a photo of me. She then says that there had been instances where people have forged passports, entered the country illegally on fake passports and in some instances, people have taken their friends/partners' ids without their consent and use them to to obtain services. I was outraged when she stated this and I told her that she was indirectly stating that there is a possibility that I may have done one of those. To this, she accused me of putting words in her mouth. Why on earth would she state these if she is not indicating the possibility of me doing something similar? I then told her that for a prepaid service, Telstra does not need to know my employment details. Furthermore, I told her that if she or Telstra thinks I may have been a fraud, how difficult would it be for me to make a payslip if I could make a fake passport or a Medicare card or a ATO letter (I only told her this because she gave me those crappy examples and not because I have anything fake). I also tried to make her understand that while payslip is merely a pdf document that is easily editable, the documents I have provided are not. Telstra actually have systems in place to check the visa details and validity of the passport just from a passport number, they use a system called VEVO http://www.border.gov.au/vevo. They can also check authenticity of my Medicare using a similar system. To this, she replied that we cannot proceed unless we get your employment history or Centrelink statements (an indication of her or Telstra's belief that I could fake passport or Medicare or ATO documents but not employment documents). I told her that they do not need these documents and I would not provide them. To this, she replied that I do not have to take the service if I do not want to provide these documents. I then asked her for an email address that I could use on change.org and she did not have one.

I have already convinced one of my family members who pays north of $120 every month to have the services cancelled and more cancellations would be happen shortly.

Should I take this further or let it go?

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Comments

  • +6

    I had a similar issue about one year ago. There are flaws in Telstra's process for online prepaid orders. I pointed out all the issues to the complaints team (and the person at the complaints team understood and agreed it was an error with the control group). I also raised my concern that this will happen again if Telstra elect to do nothing about it (and was told at the time that the control group will be notified to do the right thing moving forward). Obviously, problems are still there.

    Here are the problems in Telstra's process:

    • If a prepaid order reached control group for checking, the control group apply the post paid rules to it (even though you already paid for the prepaid kit in full and you don't need to prove you can afford to pay Telstra for 24 months).
    • To make the matter worse, even after you were notified and assuming you are willing to show your IDs & past bills or payslips to a store staff, you only have a few hours to do so before the prepaid workflow decides the order needs to be cancelled.
    • The control group have very little (close to zero) understanding of Telstra products. All they know is about ID checks and they just want to do a full / max ID check.
    • A common cause of a prepaid order ended up reaching control group is that there is a mismatch between the details you entered and one of the accounts in Telstra. For example, if Telstra stuffed up one of your accounts before (they put in a typo in your date of birth), even though they have another one of your accounts with the correct details, their systems get all confused and can mismatch you and think you entered the wrong data (e.g. date of birth) even though the reality is that Telstra stuffed up in the first place.
    • Even if you tried to go to a store to attempt to correct the mistakes made by the control group, the control group can still refuse to accept what the store staff did (i.e. when the retail staff is more than happy that he/she sighted your ID and agreed the ID legit, control group would not trust their own Telstra staff and they still want to see a copy of it).

    Due to the issues with the control group (to them, everything is postpaid and they don't even know by blocking a prepaid, the order will be cancelled in a few hours), the flaw in the prepaid workflow for online purchases (few hours to complete ID check and have to keep the stubborn control group happy, are you serious??), the best way to handle a prepaid ID check notification is actually let the order cancel and place another order. It is also likely that due to your past relationship with Telstra, they stuffed up your accounts (instead of one, they probably created multiple accounts for you and one of them has the wrong info causing problems when you purchase new items online). However, it could be worthwhile to see if Telstra made a mistake in one of their systems so that they had one of your old accounts with incorrect data (getting that fixed will help reduce the chance of future online orders reaching the super annoying control group).

    I found the complaints team okay (they do have a better understanding of products and the processes). Try explaining what I mentioned before and see what they can do for you.

    • Exactly this is what I'm trying to state! I don't think anyone would understand what I'm stating until they go through the same. Thanks for your suggestion and comment (which has been way more clear than how I had put it).

      • +3

        Maybe if OP fights this, Telstra will finally update their internal policies and train their control group to deal appropriately with pre-paid services.

        From the comments, it seems most people just give up and get a refund or use an alternative provider; which is probably why this problem has been going on for so long.

        • This is one reason I want to take this as far as I can. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it just like that. I'm sure they have made baseless allegations, false assumptions and have asked for needless documents from many more.

          And to me, even the security explanation from one of the reps doesn't make sense because I'm told that I can go to the store, make the full payment, just show the primary Id and I can have my services up and running!

        • +1

          @harassedbytelstra1:

          It just goes to show the poor training and operating procedures where there is no understanding or consideration for the broad range of products that Telstra provides.

          I think it is reasonable to say that Telstra's request is an invasion of privacy in relation to the service you are seeking - especially since you are able to purchase the same product in store. However whether it is a breach of privacy legislation and the appropriate channels to pursue this case is beyond my knowledge.

          In today's world where major corporations are being hacked and personal data leaked; I definitely would not want to provide any information in excess of what is reasonably required of me.

  • Move to Optus. Simples..

    • Lol, while I would say that is something I should really consider, I don't have actually have any of my services with Telstra. The occasions where I used Telstra was to use their $2 starter kits that I got for free a while ago to port my number in and out from Telstra to use multiple amaysim or vodafone starter kits. The only reason I took these 3GB simcards were because they were dirt cheap and I thought I could use it on a holiday where I need mobile broadband on my computer. What Telstra instead suggests is that if I don't want to give them the documents, I can still get the services by walking into a store by paying $30 instead of $5. You honestly think that if there was a security issue, they would suggest that?

  • +2

    It is simple, if you have over 5 sim cards ACTIVE under your name, you require extra ID. But the OP Has provided this. At most, you require entering a debit card number onto a AMPTA form. They really should not be asking for Payslips etc. Unnecessary. But also, not a huge drama. Just get it done and move on.

  • you only told one person? How about you bankrupt the whole company. That would be best

  • +2

    Telstra was worried you are a terrorist with multiple burner phones…however a visit to the store with your ID should have cleared up everything…Telstra is paranoid in this case

    • +3

      Lol, I had shown them like 5 different forms of Id (passport, medicare, ATO letter, debit card and a credit card). Strangely, some people here on this post still think that Telstra was following an efficient process.

      • +1

        This is Australia, a long and tedious process is already considered somewhat efficient. Im being sarcastic if you cant tell…

        • +1

          You have to look at it from the employees side. If I'm at Telstra I'm just doing my job being safe and whatever. No one ever lost their job for that.

          And realitistically, Telstra doesnt give a shit about a single customer in any sense.

          Heaps of people dont like Telstra, that doesnt take away from the fact they have millions of customers.

  • Wow OP is this your life story? I'm in awe.

  • You can take this further but… is it really worth your time and energy? In my opinion, let it go. You'll be much happier.

  • +1

    Sounds like a load of crap from Testra. Nice way to keep our gain customers, stuff that I'll keep away. Never used Telstra.

  • @OP

    Just because you are paranoid does NOT mean they AREN'T out to get you.

    "They" do have you on a database and are closely monitoring YOU !

    You are smart and perceptive for figuring out what you have so far !

    Don't let the naysayers put you off, we are living under an oppressive regime.

    Keep up the good work.

    • Lol, not really sure what you meant. And I don't care whoever "they" is, and that they have me on their database. I'm not a criminal!

  • +1

    The ID is a requirement for IPND https://www.telstra.com.au/consumer-advice/ipnd and http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Telco/Numbering/IPND

    What is amusing about this is that the IPND requirement has nothing to do with your address but actually proving that you are who you are. If someone from overseas purchases a prepaid service in Australia they can use there overseas passport or even there Visa details. The address they can give can also be the hotel that they are staying at.

    The issue you face with employment details etc are the doofus's at Telstra not having proper processes and treating you as a Postpaid customer, which for there own internal needs has flagged you as needing more forms of ID.

  • +1

    OP, may i know what is your name? is your name sound middle eastern name? maybe your name in NSA blacklist, if that is the case, you should SUE them for minions, i mean millions :) just kidding

    • Lol, if I was on NSA blacklist, shouldn't Telstra be notifying them that they found me :)

      Who wouldn't love headlines like "Telstra helps NSA find a criminal" ? and they do a million press interviews about how they were so smart :P

      • not you personally, maybe your name, therefore they want to double or triple check you, if it was a real target, they will send chopper, fbi, cia, nsa, aaa, bbb, ccc, afp, vpa, ozb, all of them in the matter of seconds

  • +1

    I'm surprised you went a long way trying to get that sim delivered. My wife got same issue with that deal and after the 2nd failed attempt, she just requested refund and we used my details instead, the StarTrack guy came here pretty much every single day in the week trying to deliver it while I was at work. Surprise is she did order one prepaid sim a few months ago and it went through and we haven't changed address since. Maybe Telstra got millions of reason for flagging an account.

    • +1

      My issue is why they treated me how they treated me. And them sticking to "provide the payslips" and a handwritten letter is what pissed me off.

  • +2

    Lol telstra's control group is a freaking joke. I was signing up to the $45 postpaid plan and control group asked me to bring 3 forms of ID to a store.

    1. Brings drivers license, uni id card and bank card. I thought that was 100 points of ID but the store said i needed license, passport and medicare card. Also 1 lease agreement.

    2. I return with those documents and the store sent it through. A few days later i call them up and they said I needed payslips.

    3. I bring payslips and the store sent it through.

    4. I call them again and they want a bill with that address on it. By this time, i was freaking pissed. My parents are already with telstra and that address but they refused. So i brought a utility bill.

    Each of these steps, i asked them to tell me everything i needed to bring to the store. But they kept telling 1 item each time and ended up needing more.

    Lucky it was a good deal or i've would of given up. Thats how they treat new customers lol.

    • +1

      That's crap. I wonder what it will take to tell them that it's not okay.

      Some strangely state that this is all for "security". Whatever crap that is. I took my originals and it had a freaking photo of me on it!

    • First service with telstra? You sound like high risk person.

      • Yeah. Full time uni student but working part time as well. I didnt mind giving my documents but for god sakes, they should have told me what to bring all in one go.

        • Usually sale rep just put in and pray for the best. However good that you stuck it out. It gets easier now since you have history.

  • -1

    After reading all that. What I got from it was.

    • Telstra wants to check your credit. Nothing to do with establishing your ID.

    As you pointed. They where willing to accept a handwritten letter from your employer which suggests the issue isn't establishing your ID since anyone can write a handwritten letter.

    You seem to not understand that it is not an ID issue. You have pointed out to Telstra you shouldn't need to provide financials since you aren't on post paid.

    Yes that is true however you triggered a red flag by buying 3 sims One after the other so Telstra is over-reacting to your original actions of buying 3 sims in a row. You should've been smart enough to know that buying 3 sims would've triggered a security issue.

    Lesson is - Do not buy 3 sims in a row through telstra if you don't want to raise a red flag.

    If you where smart. You should've bought one. Waited 2 days till the first one was shipped and then go and order the 2nd one.

    • Telstra has millions of red flag, my wife ordered only one sim and got the same treatment, it's not whether 3 sims or 30 sims, I bought 4 within the weekend and got no flag.

      • I never bought from Telstra website before but just looking at the information they ask during checkout. I already get headache and had feeling they are a pain in the butt. That's why i chose to avoid and never once bought from Telstra website because I see information they ask at checkout and get headache already. lol

  • -2

    Using the Internet to badmouth any large corporation is bad idea. It will come back to haunt till the day you die.
    You been red flagged for a reason.
    I have 5 prepaid sims with Hel$tra 6 with vodafail and 5 with optarse. I have had no problems and still activating more 1 month prepaid without a hassle.
    How many people die by their own sword bathmouthing their work or someone using Farcebook or fakebook. More than I can count with my hands feet and the next persons as well

    • Name and shame!

  • +1

    Why they asking too many details for damn Prepaid?

    Customer already paid up-front.. so whats da logic to ask for employment details…

  • +1

    Oh dear- here we go again.
    Telstra has become ( again) one of those companies where IF you can FINALLY speak to a human, they are, unfortunately not in the same country ( or sometimes it seems not even on the same planet- but I digress ) which makes explaining the situation in question very difficult to achieve a resolution.
    We do have all ours with them ( except mobiles ) + Foxtel. They charge like a wounded bull & give back very little !
    I worked for British Telecomm for many years & am now due all my Superann. that I paid in out of my wages - have been trying to put in place with them but am continuously being fobbed off with more & more questions.
    To coin a phrase " Has the whole world gone mad" !!?!!

  • +1

    Stuff them take it as far as you want they are not a bank who needs to see financials. Open a case with the ombudsman watch how quick they change there tone

  • +1

    Take it as far as you possibly can, in fact make a complaint to the accc, then talk to some news channels, and see if they are interested in making a story out of it. This is not something that is a one off, if it can happen to you, it probably is happening to 100s if not 1000s of other people as well. Think of this as a public service.

  • OP, try contacting notgoodenough.org (australian) They help people with this sort of bullshit.

  • +2

    Another case of online hissy fit.
    Op, please do yourself a favour. Make up your mind. If you want to use those sims just follow their instructions and provide them with documents they need. If you don't then just throw those sims in the bin.
    You are wasting of time and energy dealing with such a petty issue. Why make mountain out of molehill? What is the big deal of disclosing your employment history?
    At the end of the day, the person who feels bitter is yourself. Nobody else cares.Over $15? I know you repeated it is not about money many times.
    I was like you trying to ask family and friends to stop going to a business when upset with them then I realized , I was wasting my time doing that. Just stop your bitterness, forget and forgive and move on.

    • +2

      It is not just about money. The treatment and explanations aren't right! Them forcing you to pay 6 times more if I don't provide them the payslips isn't right!

      But we all have our opinions, lets just agree to disagree?

    • The big deal is about Privacy and the legislation states that information can only be collected for the specific purpose that it is designed for. So it is like recruitment companies who want to know if you are married and if you have children and how many. No - they are not allowed to collect such information as it has nothing to do with recruiting for employment. The second aspect about this is the way in which Telstra employees are just so blase about personal information - the way that this is collected, sent around to every Tom Dick and Harry via fax or public methods so that everyone is able to have a good gawk at and then the way that it is stored. If Telstra was truly concerned about security risks - then they'd have their own processes for data collection - so water tight that you would feel as though they were protecting personal information with their life and it meant something to each and every employee. We all know that Telstra employees couldn't give a shit. Asking for endless amounts of documents on a piece by piece basis is not only unprofessional - it is proof that they actually don't know what they are doing, haven't had any training and just winging it in the hopes that you'll give up or the Control Team will eventually say OK. If security is genuinely their No 1 reason for all of this then ask them to match their obsession for more than enough ID with the way that they collection, use and store this information. Ask to see their Privacy Policy and their policy on providing ID. If they can't produce it - take it to the ombudsman. The Telco's are charged $1000 everytime they have to respond to a query that has been taken to the ombudsman formally.

  • You keep saying you can make a PDF of payslip… Have you thought that they would call the company to confirm that you actually work there?

    Anyway, better safe than sorry. Like everyone said, it sounds like there was a red flag raised for a reason. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. You do have a choice though, so make one.

    • Lol, you think if I can fake a passport, I can't put a phone number of a friend as my manager?

      Moreover, if security was an issue, how am I able to get the services in store for full price?

      • +1

        It doesn't matter if you can fake a passport. It matters that anyone can fake a passport.

        • +1

          Selectively answering my questions? I also asked "Moreover, if security was an issue, how am I able to get the services in store for full price?"

        • @harassedbytelstra1:
          I don't know the answer. Maybe it would raise a red flag sometime after?

      • You don't think they can actually Google the business name, call the number listed in the phone book and then ask for your friend?

        You could still be flagged if you went in-store with the three sim cards to activate, unless you've done that recently, you can't be sure the outcome would be any different.

        I'm guessing you're the type of person who feels offended very easily.

        • If I get offended easily, I wouldn't have given them the ids I did. I understand that they need to do the ud check for security which is why I gave them 5 ids.

          Not every business name comes on Google. I worked in telco industry long enough to know way more efficient ways to check the authenticity of the ids than asking the customer for every document they have.

          It's customers like you that let them get away (I know that they have the right to ask for anything but that only exists for fraud prevention. Abusing the freedom they are given isn't right). Go to a telco once, be rejected a service despite providing a million documents (and have good credit history), you won't talk the way you are talking now.

        • @harassedbytelstra1:

          So are you still going to fight for it and give them your business?

        • +3

          @Ughhh: my fight isn't for giving them business. It's about correcting the wrong and stopping the harassment

  • oh no you convinced someone to cancel their Telstra account, do you think they care in the slightest?

    • Lol, you would think so. The saves team went to large extents to not let them go. Offering credits, free months etc.

      • And you're going to a lot of trouble to… What exactly? Complain?

  • +1

    I think OP is probably a bit young and immature.
    I bet he or she has not have too many life/death/illness experiences to worry about a trivial issue like this.
    I hope one day in hindsight when OP gains more life experience , he/she will reflect how silly all these sound/look.

    • +1

      Silly? Yes. Let Telstra repeat and make 1000s go through this? No.

  • +2

    I have had the same drama. Ended up having to give more than 200 points of ID before it was sorted. The control group is an absolute joke.

  • +1

    One thing to mention OP, Telstra have not gone out of their way to enforce a rule that is "Telstra specific".

    As said above, AMTA (and I believe other government bodies) requires all prepaid TELCO providers to go through this process to ensure sufficient documentation exist should they ever audit/review a trail of a prepaid phone from which illegal activity was undertaken.

    I would understand the frustration should they have something to gain from this scrutinisation, but they dont.

  • TLDR, if you look dodgey or doing too many prepaid services. Which is actually more then 5 in my time. Then we have to start to verify you more.

    Back then you fill two forms. One was on paper for the ATMA, one is their back end system siebel. Siebel probably flagged you. Interesting on the employment check for a prepaid service.

    • +1

      I only ordered 3 sims. In my belief, the control group has no idea about what it does and is applying the same rules as customer being "referred to the credit team for credit check"

      • interesting. unless the rules have changed. It been 5 years since i put a prepaid through.

        It prepaid, there should be no credit check. So that doesn't seem right either.

  • +1

    I bought three sims for $15 as well, got an email stating it is on the way but I never received my sims or got contacted by Telstra. I called Telstra and they said they will refund the sims (they said I will need to verify my ID (even though I have business and personal account with Telstra). It's been more than a month now and haven't got a refund or heard back from them since.

    • That's disgraceful. Strange so many people are taking Telstra's side in this post.

    • Better pay up $90 rather than posting your rant here or some people will get mad at you (sarcasm) :P

  • Amaysims "smart system" allowed the registration of 15 Sims - all preactivated (not that Inwas able to use any of them) on my account using a single ID.
    This is dangerous - I was afraid I will be on some sort of a watch list ) and they were going to direct debit my account after one month for $45 ; worse than a joke.

    All I have been told is that 1 valid ID will do. Telstra is the dominant player and can do whatever they want. Providing more than the required I'd will be risky, requires TIO complaint at the least

  • I'm not sure I understand the issue.

    Customer A wants to buy from Company B. Company B has T&C's Customer A doesn't agree with.
    Customer A should therefore find a Company C to deal with.

    If Telstra doesn't want to sell you a product (for ID, security, risk, whatever…), it doesn't have to. In the same guise that you dont have to buy their product.

    Fact 1) Criminals prefer prepaid.
    Fact 2) Prepaid providers need to ensure that they've correctly identified a customer using their telecommunications service. It's law.

    Telstra can keep asking for details if they believe (rightly or wrongly) that the documents you have provided are questionable. If you dont like that, its your choice to either provide what they want or leave.

    As you've stated in your post, you recently moved… and you can't provide a utility bill because you live with someone else.
    I can think of MANY companies that would be hesitant to do business with someone they couldnt easily locate (or provide such details to law enforcement if required).

    Yes yes… it's prepaid. But you'd surprised how many people commit crimes with pre-paid mobile phones. Like it or not, they need to know where to find you. And a passport doesnt have your residential address on it.

    But complaining about a company attempting due diligence on an unknown party is a waste of your time and stress.

    • Payslip is an address proof but letter from ATO isn't? FYI, my payslip doesn't even have my address on it. Lol, funny how you state that criminals prefer prepaid and assuming teltsra is really fussed about the security bit, they let me buy one in store and activate it under my name with just one Id? Same company, different rules?

      Fact 2) passport,medicare card, debit card, credit card, letter from a govt. Organization doesn't identify me? Really? Did you care to read the post talking about the legal requirements for any telco company that just states that telco's responsibility is just to prove the identity. By taking the ids I just mentioned to a store and having them sighted by a real person didn't prove my identity?

    • Fuct 666: The FBI and many other law enforcement agencies are shitting themselves over autonomous vehicles, as they could be used to deliver lethal payloads, among other things.
      And they're just around the corner, not sci-fi.

      That issue will make simcard security pale into insignificance. Why use a phone as a trigger when you can program the destination, sit back and relax?

      We have so much to look forward to.

    • Telstra has requested more than enough ID to prove the identity. They do not need to prove the credit risk of an individual who purchases a prepaid. What is their reason for requiring information that details whether someone is employed or not, the specific salary, and where they work. How does this information prove that the person is who they say they are? In order to apply for and receive a driver's licence - you are required to provide 2 primary pieces of information that add up to 100 points and a secondary piece of paper. So right there and then, the Govt Dept who issues the driver's licence has an obligation to ensure that all ID paper work is legitimate. So that means that there is already a Govt dept who has done the checking - and unless the photo doesn't match and so is an illegal production or the person has dramatically changed in some way through plastic surgery - then you can be reasonably certain that the ID has checked out.
      Actually just because you move is not an excuse for companies to not do business with you. I can't think of any examples that where this has been the case for me. I've never had to provide utility bills unless I have been seeking credit - the question of "how long have you lived at that address" shouldn't impact on whether a company does business with you. So the water bill is in someone else's name and that is reason enough not to do business? Really? There is going to come a time when finger prints will be used as the form of ID instead of a passport. Then there can be no doubt that you are who you say you are. Teltra's lack of policies that are applicable to the situation and NOT its attempt to do due dilligence as you say.
      So if Telstra's greatest concern is to make sure that sim cards aren't sold to criminal's in the first place - so really have them available at Coles and Woolies really is wrong.

  • I had a similar experience and my arguing got me nowhere. I finally coughed up the requested documentation. I'm still waiting on the cash rebate to be confirmed though… it better come through.

  • Not much will change unless your message reaches management.

    Funny enough the advertising banners for this thread showed Telstra.
    "Register to hear about them first"
    "Tell me more >"
    "Its how we Connect T"

    • +2

      This is no coincidence that the banner shows Telstra. It is likely because of the cookies and a target marketing to you as a result of the thread. Talk about tracking and privacy.

      Think OP is righteous and not young and immature as some may describe. It may be because he is young and has the courage and time to fight what he believes is unjust, for which many others, including myself, may think it's a small stuff. Not that he will win at the end (for himself) but it is when people like him raised the question and challenge the status quo - we will maintain civil right and liberty in our freedom country - no to cage in from authority in the name of fear without enough explanation.

      Know this is not everyone may think, this is why we are all different, and agree on the disagree.

  • OP needs to find something better with which to fill his life and move on. Really that much outrage over, who cares, find another provider and move on. You really want to waste your time over this? Something that to me doesnt seem overly over the top on Telstras part anyway!

  • Not profiling but maybe OP has criminal record or has been flagged in the past? Sounds like the full story isn't being told…

    • like what … last name Is not Smith? Unless OP is a dumb@s criminal, he would not keep calling Telstra to get the SIMS activated knowing he's been flagged. Smart agents will let the sims activated and have all activities taped.

    • I have no criminal record. I have no idea if I have been flagged in the past, but I had no issues getting a $2 starter kit (very recently) from Telstra that I used to port my number from Telstra and port it back in to Vodafone. I had two $50 starter kits from Vodafone that I got on a deal for $25 each, and this was the only way (port out and then port in) to be able to use the same number.

      This is the full story, believe it or not. The problem is with Teltsra's online system that thinks most people that place more than one order are fraud and they then hand it over to the control group to make sure that there is no fraud. The problem with control group is they have no idea about what they are talking. Insisting on payslips and suggesting that I get these services from a store instead doesn't sound like a security concern to me. Because if it was, I wouldn't have been able to get Telstra services at all (not in store, not online).

  • OP has a point. Approach a lawyer. There are a few 'no win, no fee' services. Hope you have some evidences to support it. Get an opinion.

  • Just use Skype and wifi

  • The NWO brought to you by Telstra.

    They are just introducing some new "terror boogeyman draconian spying laws" on us to keep us "safe".
    In Pakistan this year, all simcard where cancelled and to re register you had to surrender your fingerprints.

    Then, you won't be allowed to connect to the internet unless you forfeit your biometrics.
    War is Peace.

    • Lol, it's definitely not related to the security. I don't even know what it is related to. I can get the sims in store, port over my Vodafone prepaid to Telstra (which I then port back into Vodafone to use two Vodafone prepaid starter kits). No idea what they are on but they need to stop smoking whatever it is that they smoke. And some people here are supporting Telstra in the name of security. LOL

  • I think OP has a point but I don't think it is worth all the trouble and bother over $45. Telstra make the rules, even if they are silly and not enforced properly or enforced inconsistently, if you don't like them well don't deal with them. Plenty of other fish (telcos) in the sea. Just move on and get on withe rest of your life.

  • +1

    I'm getting the same hassles and I have just tried to buy one sim online. I just rang them and the only indication I could get was one question: "Have you had any Telstra accounts before and did they expire?". If they had warned me that I would need all of this extra documentation I would have got it and gone to the shop. Such a waste of time and crap customer experience.

    • +1

      *because of security reasons, you could be in this country on a fake passport, who knows! it does not matter if you show them a million ids that could be independently verfied

      That is what I was told by Telstra

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