Harassment by Telstra and Indication of False Allegations

This is one long post but please read it till the end if you can (what I want to know is if I should really go to extreme extents to tell Telstra that it is not okay or I should just let go)

I basically ordered three $30 simcards (cashrewards.com.au had a deal where you could get these simcards for $15 plus a $10 cashback essentially making it $5, see https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/205519). I had to make a different order for each sim card since the cashback was per order. So, then I received an email stating that my Telstra order was processed and would be sent to me shortly. Shortly afterwards, I receive a text message stating that my orders have been put on hold and I would need to call the Telstra control group on 1800096566. I then called them up and asked them what the issue was. They then said that I would need to take my licence or passport, medicare card, proof of address and payslip (or anything that confirms my employment). I was outraged and told them that while I had no issues in providing my identity or address proofs, I would not give them my employment details and they had no business in knowing about my employment as it was a prepaid service). To this, they answered that it was a process that they had to follow to establish my account (which was bull crap as I had ported in my Vodafone prepaid number a couple of months ago to Telstra without providing them with any detail except for my passport). I insisted that I be transferred to an Australian call centre as I did not think he had any idea about what he was talking about. The documents he required for, are for postpaid services and not prepaid. Telstra's own link https://www.my.telstra.com.au/activate? ti=TR:TR:june12d paapp repaidactivationa states that you either need a passport OR a licence OR a medicare card for prepaid activation. AMTA website has similar information www.amta.org.au/files/AMTA.Individual. ID.Form.pdf Fast forward a few days, I went to the store with my passport, medicare and a letter from ATO. The store rep stated that she did not understand why all that information was required and that a passport should suffice (and she even left notes on my order that only primary id is required). Despite this, I got a call from control group again, stating that while they did receive the documents I submitted at the store, they would need MORE IDS. They said that they would need a utility bill on my name and I told them that I do not have one and I live with my family. They then said that they would need a written statement from my cousin (who owns the house) that I am living with him (get this! THEY ARE READY TO TAKE A HANDWRITTEN LETTER FROM MY COUSIN BUT A LETTER FROM ATO ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!) All this, for a PREPAID SERVICE THAT I PAID UPFRONT FOR!

Now, some of you may come back and tell me "just do not use Telstra if you do not like them". My answer to them is that regardless of whether I want to be with them or not, they have no right to ask me for information that is not needed to process my order and I also do not want anybody else (there could be a few who have access to only Telstra network where they live) to go through the same amount of frustration and I am going to shame them so much that they would effectively lose so many customers (complained to TIO already, my next stop is VCAT and consumer affairs because they are still holding to the money I paid them despite them telling me that they would not provide me the service. funny how they think I am fraud and would not give me service but hold on to 'fraud's money'). I am planning to post this everywhere, on social media, on change.org, print a few copies and put them in public places.

So, today, I received a call back from a Telstra rep in Melbourne who acknowledged the complaint and tried to tell why Telstra control group need what they need. The reason my account was flagged was because I had a different address than what I had a few months ago (I moved! I do not see that a person moving from one place to another would make you think that he could be a fraud. Almost everyone in Australia would have an address change at least once in their lifetime). To this, I replied that I did indeed move and hence the change in address and that I do not see that as a reasonable cause for suspicion. She also said that all they were trying to prove was I was me. I then advised her that I took originals of my passport, Medicare and an ATO letter to a store and that my passport had a photo of me. She then says that there had been instances where people have forged passports, entered the country illegally on fake passports and in some instances, people have taken their friends/partners' ids without their consent and use them to to obtain services. I was outraged when she stated this and I told her that she was indirectly stating that there is a possibility that I may have done one of those. To this, she accused me of putting words in her mouth. Why on earth would she state these if she is not indicating the possibility of me doing something similar? I then told her that for a prepaid service, Telstra does not need to know my employment details. Furthermore, I told her that if she or Telstra thinks I may have been a fraud, how difficult would it be for me to make a payslip if I could make a fake passport or a Medicare card or a ATO letter (I only told her this because she gave me those crappy examples and not because I have anything fake). I also tried to make her understand that while payslip is merely a pdf document that is easily editable, the documents I have provided are not. Telstra actually have systems in place to check the visa details and validity of the passport just from a passport number, they use a system called VEVO http://www.border.gov.au/vevo. They can also check authenticity of my Medicare using a similar system. To this, she replied that we cannot proceed unless we get your employment history or Centrelink statements (an indication of her or Telstra's belief that I could fake passport or Medicare or ATO documents but not employment documents). I told her that they do not need these documents and I would not provide them. To this, she replied that I do not have to take the service if I do not want to provide these documents. I then asked her for an email address that I could use on change.org and she did not have one.

I have already convinced one of my family members who pays north of $120 every month to have the services cancelled and more cancellations would be happen shortly.

Should I take this further or let it go?

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Comments

  • +93

    TLDR - OP tried to get a telstra sim. Was asked for pay slip as a proof of ID. Was not happy to do this. Telstra stated the reason for asking this was that OP had moved houses recently.

    • +9

      I admire your tenacity..

    • +2

      Half right. One person asked for a payslip, another said utility bill or a proof of address and another questioned the authenticity of the ids I provided.

      • +28

        aw man. that's tough. Half marks only??

        • +3

          Haha, you are funny :) I appreciate your help in condensing my overly long post. I only added those points as I didn't want anyone to comment based on wrong interpretations.

        • +1

          @harassedbytelstra1: Yes it is quite ridiculous to require so much nonsense why bother selling anything online.

          Anyway, part of their reason is they don't want people using your ID to get a phone for criminal and terrorist activities. How they determine who is at risk, I have no idea.

        • @lolbbq: if its the security that was a concern then how is that not the same at a Telstra shop?

        • +1

          @lolbbq: Recently, I bought 20 sim cards (to acquire a discount on subsequent credit purchase), with 15 in a single transaction. Nothing happened. If i can do this without being flagged then what hope do we have of stopping criminal or terrorist activities using an ID method. IMO this is a silly and outdated rule but I'm open to influence over why it is a good rule.

        • -2

          @razzamatazza:

          Your name might not be subject to racial profiling.

    • +2

      I don't understand why Telstra is making it hard on the OP.

      1. It's prepaid, no proof of financials required
      2. The identity/address issue should not matter because OP will have to present something when he activates a SIM (or whoever will activate the SIM if in case OP sold the SIM)

      Unless, Telstra thinks the transactions were suspicious because it was done three times by the same person (as admitted by OP), then Telstra would have a point. Similar to a credit card company putting on hold a transaction it deemed suspicious and ask the account holder to confirm the transactions.

      So OP, you do not have an existing account with Telstra prior to buying the SIMs?

      • I did have a prepaid service (that I used to just port in/port out to be able to use two Vodafone starter kits without having to change the number). If any of what I did raised suspicions, I believe the documentation I proved to them (I took orginals to a store and the store rep sighted the originals, photocopied them and scanned them on their system) should have been sufficient. I must add that I'm told that I can still take three simcards in a store but not online (so, how does this justify the security/fraud concern they are taking about?)

      • I also wonder why Telstra went nuclear with the ID requirements. Even if OP owned >5 prepaid SIMs, AMTA legally only requires 3 ID documents which OP stated he already provided.

        I feel the payslip/employment request is an invasion of privacy because Telstra has no rights for a credit assessment as OP is not purchasing a contracted phone. What if someone is a student; or unemployed - do they have no right to a mobile service which is pretty much a necessity in today's world to find a job?

        Furthermore OP states that he will be allowed to purchase all 3 SIMs in-store at full price (thus it appears that Telstra has no problem with OP as a customer), however it is the promotional offer where Telstra is refusing to deliver.

        To OP: Talking to call operators who stonewall you with scripted responses is very frustrating. It is up to you how much time you have to spend pursuing this as some of the accusations/implications are really ridiculous; and if you do pursue the matter I would be interested to know the final resolution.

        • Telstra (let's just treat it as an amorphous entity) is clearly pushing the point in this case and that is putting aside anything that the OP may have done to exacerbate the situation.

          My guess is that organisations (and maybe, particularly, telcos and related service-providers) that in the normal course of operations (prepaid, postpaid, irrespective) can access or ask for personal information, have been asked to do just that - in greater detail - when security concerns come to light. Security concerns, real or imagined, with erring on the safe-side being emphasised.

          Pleasant for the OP, or would it be for any of us? No. Would I get my back up if I felt somehow singled-out and persecuted, or profiled? Yes. Would I take a breath and maybe see the bigger picture? I'd like to think so.

          I, too, would like to know how all of this turns out. Maybe if the OP was a little bit more circumspect in his approach, the track would be a bit smoother than current.

        • @Tas:

          Data collection by organisations should be in-line with the service/product being provided. I believe under the privacy laws, a bank is not allowed to collect employment information to open a debit card account; but that will be a reasonable ask for credit cards and home loans.

          For most situations with government, banking and etc, showing up in person with a driver licence is sufficient to prove one's identity. 3 IDs + residence + employment is probably even more than what a bank would ask to provide a million dollar home loan.

          In respect of security concerns, I would think any person with nefarious intent would probably not even want to show up in store to provide photo ID.

          Seeing the bigger picture, I think it is Telstra's fault for not having proper procedures to deal appropriately with pre-paid and post-paid services.

      • +1

        There is a law which requires them to identify proof of identity for prepaid services. It specifies the types of ID documents that can be used.

        If you have 5 services (and they've likely detected an order of 3 sim cards would put him over that limit) then they have to a more rigourous process.

        The law wasn't really designed for ozbargainers chasing a cheap month.

        • I have a heap of (all expired now) sims on Telstra for mobile broadband. I have an account with them and don't need to provide any additional information.

          I have a number of sims registered with Vodafone and they do ask for my license.

          On one occasion at a BigW they asked for license to be photocopied.

          This law exists but is applied so poorly as to be worthless. A crime figure isn't going to hesitate to steal a phone or have one of his lackeys do it to commit a crime.

        • @syousef: Except when it's not and in this case the OP has been caught up in it.

    • They should make a rule,

      Every long and poorly formatted post must include a TLDR by OP

  • +40

    oh for god sake…. I clicked on the link and went ffs i'm not reading this.

    • Lol, it is indeed very loooonnngg :)

    • Speed reading and skiming in chunks of 5 words helped me.

  • +4

    Telstra have their own policies in terms of required ID. I'm surprised they require payslips for prepaid. This is more a reflection of proof of income.

    But seriously I would just Let it go

    • +3

      I see what you mean but I don't understand is why do they need these details for prepaid. I'm paying upfront for the service

      • I figure trying to buy 3 seemed suspicious so they were checking you out.
        I remember when you had to fill in a form when buying sim cards, promising you don't have > 5 activated. I thought they finally realised it's the activation, not the purchase, that counts, but I guess the light bulb hasn't come on for all Telstra departments yet.

      • The law requires it.

    • +1

      Disney stole that lyric from the original without acknowledgement.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3g8Xnf7LI

    • funny (not really) but when I clicked on that youtube link the pre-clip aid was for telstra.

      • google stalking you…

    • +6

      And my rant isn't about just the money. It is about them giving absurd examples that indicate that they think I may have a fake/stolen documents on me or that I may have forged them. I did provide them proof of address (Tax assessment letter from ATO).

    • +14

      Wow mskeggs, the first time ever I have not agreed with one of your posts. Accusing someone of mental illness because they are incensed at the refusal of service based on a request which to me is an invasion of privacy is a little harsh. I would be incensed too. 1984 anyone?

  • I don't think have mental illness but thanks for your suggestion. It isn't about the money, it is how they have treated me. To each their own, I guess.

    • +9

      I don't think have mental illness

      Sir, that is exactly what the truly mad people will say.

      • +2

        Lol, then what would others say?

        • +6

          I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested?

        • +1

          @Olokun: Haha, love that line by Jim Parsons :) May be, I should talk like Sheldon Cooper when dealing with Telstra, only then they would be reasonable (remember how Sheldon asks a list of questions to the person issuing learners and she gets so sick of his questions that she issues him a permit without him filling the form :P)

    • Apologies. Suggesting you had a mental illness was not cool.
      Read it as my way of saying you are acting in a way that is very disproportionate to the issue. You spent $15, which I expect Telstra would happily refund to get you to stop your crusade.
      I understand they inconvenienced you, but you are taking things over the top.

      • +3

        It's alright. We all have our opinions and I didn't take it personally. So, no offence taken.

        I might indeed be taking things over the top but there are others that have commented that have gone through a similar experience. This madness by the control group has to stop! In my opinion, it is more stubbornness by a part of Telstra that have no clue about what they are talking rather than a security concern.

    • Stand up for your rights against Telstra! You have provided enough ID that you are you. You have gone into a Telstra shop and that should be enough evidence that you are a real person. What would they do if you said that you did not have a job and were not collecting unemployment benefits from Centrelink. Collecting information about employment, salary and how long you have been working or not is only required where a credit card or loan is required. You are not a financial risk when you have purchased a prepaid sim card ffs - because you have handed over the cash. If you have the energy - pursue it to the end. Everyone on this site would have numerous stories about Telstra and the extent that they have decided to not let it go would depend on the conversations with Telstra employees. mskeggs - I can't believe your comments and you might like to consider times when you have had a rant yourself and we've put up with it. I've pursued Telstra for $10 for over charging me and won in the end and I don't consider that i was taking it over the top. It is the principle that counts here. There are enough apathetic people in Australia who allow Telstra to walk all over them. Those people who don't back down - make Telstra work for them money.

  • +26

    Are you somewhat biased in this matter?

    1) Your profile lists http://www.mosmobiles.com.au/ (I clicked on it, and it seems to be a vodafone dealer/reseller/whatever)

    2) You have 4 posts. This one and the other three are spruiking vodafone.com.au or mosmobiles.com.au deals

    3) You created your account in 2011 with the username "harassed by telstra 1". Did you know then you would be harassed? Or were you harassed in 2011 but decided this year to keep using their services?

  • Lol, no. I only changed the username today because I don't work for that company anymore (I stopped a long time ago) and posting something with their company name didn't sound right to me. Moreover, someone could think that I have a hidden agenda to shame Telstra. I changed the username just today (I first tried creating another account as I'm not associated with that company anymore but a moderator told me that I cannot do that and rather suggested that I change the username)

    • +1

      OK, that explains a lot.

      BTW I agree companies sometimes ask for more information than is necessary to provide the services needed. Always a worry when companies have security breaches and customer data is stolen.

  • +12

    You clearly triggered a security process.

    Buying three SIM cards at once, possibly combined with however many others you would have active in your name after those were activated - five is, still, supposedly, a 'threshold of concern' limit, though usually, at least, absent any real enforcement - combined with, again, possibly and bluntly, a bit of racial profiling by way of your surname / perceived or real background. That was a long sentence.

    Whatever the criteria in place - you triggered the need for multiple boxes to be ticked. Clearly no fun for you, but I would suggest that you indeed tick all of those boxes, and more if required in the future and not actually get het up about the situation, despite the ongoing hassle.

    Yes, you make a stand in relation to certain things, but (however innocently) you did trigger security concerns.
    However hamfisted in their implementation - associated processes, related to the obvious - are there for a reason. Now, more than ever.

  • +8

    Naming and shaming etc before getting a resolution? So aggrieved you want to organise a change.org petition (not sure what you want the petition to be about, don't really care either!), and are trying to get everyone to get away from Telstra, The largest telco in the country!

    Good luck to you sir/madam, for you are another breed of crazy!

    On a more helpful note, if you want people to attempt to take you seriously, get off the high horse about trying to convince people to steer away from the telco over your $45 outlay.

    You've done an awful lot over $45.

    PS Anyone else read the first line and just think that the OP didn't get their cashback?

    • +4

      Thanks for calling me crazy and I respect your opinion. As stated before, it isn't just about the money, did I anywhere state that refund is the only resolution I'm looking for? Moreover, while it may indeed be crazy to want everyone to move away from Telstra, that isn't even something I stated that I wanted. I wanted Telstra to lose just enough to make them understand that this harassment isn't right. It is about how they have handled this whole thing for a mere $45 and more importantly, I'm offended by the examples that are given by Telstra. While I don't argue that things like that have not happened, there was no need to state all that unless they had a concrete proof.

      I'm all for stringent checks for security reasons but this isn't what I would call the right way.

  • Hi Tas, while I do understand that every company should have processes in place (and really stringent for the country's security), they have to be smart about what they ask for. In my opinion, asking for a long list of documents isn't as effective as asking for a short list but enough to establish a person's identity. I believe that I did show enough documents to them (gave them the listed documents in the post plus told the store rep that I can show her more docs like my bank cards or credit cards etc). Assuming for a minute that the one of their stories is true (that I may have forged a passport or stolen those documents), you don't think a person like that would bother fighting so much when I can get a Telstra sim in store without any issues (reason why I didn't do that is I didn't want to pay $30 for the sim when I could get it for $5)? Strangely, Telstra online stated the exact same thing "why don't you just get the sim card from the store, they will give it to you without any issues?" Indirectly telling me that I should just pay $5. I'm no fraud and if i was one, rather than ranting about it, I would have gotten a sim for one of over 10+ other companies.

    • Procedure

      The basic stuff sometimes (often) inconveniences good people just trying to go about their lives. Occasionally, it catches-out the 'smart' bad guys and (very usefully) catches-out plenty of the numbnut, clueless, ones.

      • As stated in a my previous post and a few other posts, I support any company that is making efforts to stop fraudulent activities and keeping that as primary concern (giving it more importance than receiving $$) and giving it utmost importance. What I have a problem with is, how Telstra goes about this processol, no. Moreover, where was the need to state examples of fake/forged/stolen documents? And if they really meant what they meant, on basis were they ready to accept a handwritten letter?

        • Moreover, where was the need to state examples of fake/forged/stolen documents? And if they really meant what they meant, on basis were they ready to accept a handwritten letter?

          An individual response to the way you were reacting to the situation? And, no idea.

        • @Tas: Wouldn't a "I'm sorry but this is a process we have to follow and we really apologize but we cannot proceed until we have this information?" suffice? To me, making those statements (about forging/stealing docs), even if they are just examples, indicate the individual's or the company's belief that there is a very good chance that I may have done something similar?

        • -1

          @harassedbytelstra1: I can see the wrinkles on your forehead from here.

          Mate, as much you feel as though you are under the thumb of some sort of tyranny at the moment, we are not in Soviet Russia, Apartheid South Africa, or Syria.

          Perspective.

        • @Tas: While I didn't quite get what your first comment meant, I never indicated that I'm not living in a democratic country or Telstra was being Russia or some of the other countries you indicated, where was the need to state the things that weren't necessary. Also, It is one of those things like "I don't want to sound rude but you suck" which indicates that the other person is indeed being rude. Similarly, if she didn't believe that there was a possibility of forging/stealing identity, why would she give out examples like that? And if she did believe that, what was the basis of her assumption?

        • @harassedbytelstra1: Ok, now that's starting to sound just a little paranoid.

          Again, possibly just an individual response to your furrowed brow, indignation, tone-of-voice.
          Or she could be a horrible person who took an unjustified mindset against you and just wants you to suffer.

          Either way, don't let it ruin your day. Ten minutes left. Savour them.

          Edit: Just seven minutes. Quick!

        • +1

          @Tas: While some part of me does agree with you and I should just let it go, another part of me says that I need to stand up for what is right. As you can see in the comments, there was another person who had a similar experience where he/she couldn't place more than one order. If everybody lets them get away with that, they would just pile up on your data that they don't necessarily need.

          Sometimes, you do indeed need to act crazy to set things right.

  • +3

    I didnt see the false allegations.

    • Why was there a need to state the fake/forged/stolen passports examples? And they really think that a person that indeed fakes these could not make a payslip or a handwritten letter stating his address with a random signature?

      • +5

        I'm guessing you wanted an answer to why they need so many documents, they told you why based on their experiences and security protocol, now you're offended by their reasons? I think you would be offended with any answer they gave you.

        Perhaps you would be less offended if they just cancelled and refunded you without explanation?

        Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if companies start taking more steps in security due to the growing fear of terrorism/fraud and all that.

        While you can fake a payslip, can you fake the company too?

        • You really think a person that can make a fake passport or medicare cannot make a fake company or get an acn based on those docs?

        • -1

          Moreover, one of the reps I spoke to, told me to provide a letter from my cousin confirming that I lived with him. What exactly was that for?

        • -1

          @harassedbytelstra1:

          If a person really wanted, they could clone themselves too. But,Which one is easier and occurs more often?

          With the fake company, you would need a business phone number (assuming they would call), get the ATO to play along with you, a real address which matches with everything else and other things too. I'm sure their security team aren't a bunch of grannies who don't know about internet scams.

        • @Ughhh: let's go with your assumption that they are being smart and efficient in what they are doing. I would have two questions then, 1) what if I'm a non working student with no access to centrelink? 2) what if I'm self employed and have my own business?

          3) Anybody can create a company, nominate a phone number and have the address they want on there. I don't even need ATO to play along with me. I just provide the details of ids I have (passport and a medicare would be more than sufficient) and they would issue an ACN in no time. Strangely, from how Telstra has been going on about this issue, it seems easier to open a company than buying a Telstra prepaid.

          Moreover, what does a handwritten letter from a random person prove?

  • ffs, started reading, lost interest, scrolled to see how much more…lost more interest…to cut to the chase what's the problem exactly ?

    • +1

      The problem is how they have treated me and giving absurd examples like people have forged or used stolen ids (why would they need to use those examples unless they indicate that I may have done one of those?) I quote one of her lines in her exact words "People have entered the country illegally through fake passports" and indicating that if I provide a payslip , it would prove to them that I'm genuine. Do you honestly think that there is a correlation?

      Why was there any need to make that statement (about entering the country illegally) ?

      • let it go

        thing is their brand is solid but your best course of action is to not spend your dollars with them

        • -1

          I might do that but not without putting up a fight!

  • +2

    I thought everyone got stuck in the same situation in that cashrewards/pricepal deal.

    I ordered one sim, arrived fine, driver sighted my id on delivery. Placed two more individual orders, they were placed on hold for suspected fraud. Placed an order for my partner, she got the same BS on her first order.

    It gives the impression that telstra's giving everyone the run around, simply to avoid the promotion backfiring and costing them a ton of $

    In any case, ringing through for a refund was fairly painless

    • +1

      Either they should have conditions for the promotion clearly stated (like "you can only take one sim under one name under this offer" or something of that sort) or be ready to honour the promotion even if it is costing them tons of $$

  • I have already convinced one of my family members who pays north of $120 every month to have the services cancelled and more cancellations would be happen shortly.

    why didnt they buy through your mobile business in the first place?

    This entire story sounds fishy to me.

    • +1

      Because I don't own the business account and I don't need to ask my cousins to buy me a prepaid because I'm not a 10 year old. What part of what I said sounds fishy to you?

  • +1

    To those that think they had reasons for their suspicion, why they did suggest "just go to a store with your primary id and you can get the sim cards?" (which would have effectively made me pay $30 for something that I could get for $5)

  • +6

    OK, I am going to look at this from a different angle. As someone who originally came from one of the dodgy SEA country :) I have alot of experience with jumping through ALOT of hoops to get a simple prepaid. Reason? Prepaid can be used in criminal activities when registered with stolen details. Not saying that this is right for them to do this to OP but I can see why Telstra has its policies in place. Now you might not like it and think it is silly in which case you have two options:

    1. Move to Optus or Vodafone. Downside will be the crappier coverage compared to Telstra.
    2. Lick your wound, and just give them what they want if you want to use their service.

    Simple as that.

    • +1

      To your comment "prepaid can be used in criminal activities", I never denied that happens. I'm all for stringent measures to avoid criminal activities. I'm questioning the process they have in place to make sure that it doesn't happen. They cannot accept a letter from ATO as proof of address but are happy to accept a handwritten letter instead. In all honesty, which one of those you think is easier to fake? Similarly I can get these services from a Telstra shop for full price but not online although the store staff sighted my ids (for the online order) and uploaded them on to their system. Where is the security thing now?

      • Did you miss this:

        Prepaid can be used in criminal activities when registered with stolen details

        stolen

        Anyone can steal someone's mail, where that mail contains a letter from the ATO. Bit hard to steal a handwritten note from your employer specifically about the issue in hand.

        Hello, anyone home?

        • +1

          The handwritten note isnt needed from my employer but the one who I live with. Moreover, I didn't submit just a letter from ATO, I had my passport, medicare card and 3 bank cards (the store rep didn't take a copy of my bank cards because she believed that I was already providing information more than necessary). Let's assume that a person has stolen all of that, how would the photo match what I look like? If you go one step further and assume that I forged the passport, then I would say that a person who could go to that extent wouldn't really have an issue creating a fake untraceable payslip (if one could fool the border security and enter the country illegally, how difficult would it be for them to make a few PDF docs). Furthermore, if it is the security bit they are worried about, why are they telling me that I can buy the simcards from the store just with my primary id?

  • +19
    1. Exaggerated title that makes it seem like the OP is extremely hard done by? Check.
    2. Problem that could easily be resolved? Check.
    3. Involves nearly infinitesimal amount of money? Check.
    4. Outrage? Check.
    5. Extremely long winded post? Check.

    Based on my extremely in-depth analysis, I would say that we have an Ozbargain forum whingepost on our hands.

      1. That is your opinion and I respect that
      2. I don't think there is an easy solution. What is the guarantee that they would sort it after I provide them the payslips and that they won't ask for a million more documents?
        3.It isn't just about money
      3. Anyone would be outraged
      4. I did state in the very first line that it was very long.
      • +3

        Solution:
        Provide the documentation - or don't.
        Get on with your life - or don't.

  • You might not have been doing it, but you could have been. That's their terms of service, don't want to abide, go elsewhere.

    • +1

      I might do just that but not without returning the inconvenience they have caused to me.

      • +1

        but not without returning the inconvenience they have caused to me.

        Do you really think anyone at Telstra will lose sleep over your situation? Feel the slightest bit stressed about it? Even care about it? You're just a very minor problem to them, so infinitesimal. And yet for you, this will cause you days off work to go to the tribunal, wasted time on the phone, added stress.

        You just seem to think like you're going to chink their armour. You won't. Even if you win anything, they won't care!

  • Not only Telstra,I had a similar issue with optus, have a lot of services from them and went to order a prepaid but was asked for the usual id then asked them to refer to my accounts and that was it.

    • I did provide the usual ids (passport, medicare, ATO letter). I have issues with other documents they have asked (handwritten letter from my cousin confirming address, payslips etc). Knowing where I work isn't something they need to know for a prepaid.

  • +2

    I purchased 2 last deals, order never came cos they asked for payslip. I refused.

    Called telstra, they said they will do the refund. But I have no idea when it will be.

    Should I do a chargeback?

    • Has it been more than 2 weeks? If so, call them up again and get a time frame for the refund. It should be 4 - 6 working days. If still no refund, then do a chargeback.

  • 1WP

  • +1

    You wasted 5 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
    - You recognise Telstra are a superior carrier which is why you've purchased their service.
    - You've purchased it based on price, therefore your argument it's not about money doesn't hold up.
    - You convincing your family member and outlining their HUGE bill of $120+ just shows they're as stupid as you.
    - Follow the rules and provide them what they want instead of crying about a few dollars. If not, go somewhere else.

    • I don't find Telstra superior in anyway. I only took it because I couldn't get 3 GB for $5 anywhere else. Telstra is indeed the only company that I have never used for my voice plans. It isnt about just the $$ (that is just one part of it). I clearly stated that multiple times in my comments. The treatment and the processes aren't right.

      Thanks for calling me stupid. I wonder why some people think that anyone that doesn't agree with them is stupid. Learn to accept that someone else might have a view that you don't necessarily agree with. Respect that rather than calling names.

      • +1

        Granted YOU have had a problem. It may also be true that the process and treatment are not right. However my comment around stupidity is based around you imposing your experience and opinion on others to change their services that they may be perfectly happy with. Or did everyone else also buy 3 SIM cards and have the exact same experience as you? I doubt it. All I'm saying is it's not right for you to try and change other people's opinions or services based on your bad experience. No company is perfect. Let people make up their own minds.

        • There are a few who had similar problems when they purchased more than one sim card online (read through the comments).

          Imposing my opinion would be forcing someone to believe what I do. Convincing someone isn't quite imposing.

          So, if something isn't perfect, its a crime to try to change it to make it better so that Telstra doesn't continue with its absurd policies?

          I would tell everyone I can (and I have every right to do that) about how they have treated me and I would try convincing them to stay away from them. And that isn't imposing. Imposing would be forcing people to move away from Telstra.

          I'm no slave and I don't have to put up with crap.

  • Cal 132200, ask for the "Saves Team", explain your story. See what they can do to fix this (aus based).

    I have had Telstra (mobile) for about 6 years now, and never had a problem.

    • I'll give that a try. Thanks for your suggestion

  • +1

    After drowning in the story I couldn't wade through the comments so I don't know if anyone made this comment:

    It is my understanding that you are only allowed so many sims in your name. 5? Something to do with security - police/criminal activity/drugs/terrorism - i don't remember, i dozed off during the explanation myself.

    You sounded sus, they pinged you. Bad luck.

    • Lol, I only ordered 3 simcards, not 5. If it's to do with security, why are the online team suggesting that I can get the 3 simcards in store by paying the full price of $30 (instead of $5)?

    • +2

      OP has legally under the Telecommunications Act provided more than enough ID to have more than 5 prepaid SIM cards. There is no limit to the total number of SIMs a person may have.

      • Just repeating what I was told when buying one over the counter. Many countries have limited the number of pre-paid sims allowed and perhaps our legislation is slow to follow.

        • No that's rubbish. I have about a dozen sims registered with telstra. 1 post paid. Probably 5 or 6 pre-paid but with no credit and the rest probably no longer can be reactivated because they've been without credit for over 6 months.

          I also have a bunch with Vodafone that give me unusable mobile broadband that I wish I had never bought.

          You have to provide ID. But there is no limit on how many you can have.

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