Are you going to take the free upgrade to Windows 10 on the 29th?
Windows 10. Are you upgrading on the 29th?
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AMD have really been dragging their feet this year - their first WHQL drivers only came out this month. Having said that Catalyst 15.7 is Windows 10 certified with full DirectX 12 support.
Im using the latest insider 10240 and with my 280x it's working awesomely.
Interestingly, it's actually more of an issue if you are currently using an Nvidia graphics card. Seems that the automatic windows update, which you cannot turn off, is creating unbootable PCs with latest Windows 10 build if you are using an Nvidia graphics card.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/07/26/1858214/windows-10s-…
Ugh. Driver auto updates are the worst idea.
I have a HTPc with a GT430 card, and on Win 8.1 the auto update has made my PC unbootable on three occasions. Had to use a silly roundabout way to start OS in safe mode via command line (BCDedit) and then manually remove and reinstall the offending driver.Always happens during a deadline eg. Cashback
In complete fairness though, Radeon driver support is actually pretty dismal on any OS/platform combination. Not a Windows 10 specific thing. I really wish AMD would get their butt into gear on this. Driver support on nVidia is SO much better. Crossfire is very hit and miss.
I have no affiliation to either brand but the buggy drivers frustrate me always.
While installing the amd driver for my 7950, all the open windows were glitchy and stuttery. Installed failed during their Evolve game app and required a reboot, but it enabled me to use 2560x1440 resolution after the reboot. So far so good :D
Yup. I'm running six monitors on two R9 290x cards and it's doing a horrible green glitchy/flashing thing, straight out of a 1990's computer hacking movie or something.
Multi-monitor support is glitchy on the other side of the fence too. :(
It seems like put effort into 1 or maybe 2 monitor support. (1 department, 1 weeks work)
3 monitors, they assign 1 Uni student to work on it
4 + monitors = No f***'s given.
Yes, upgrading the laptop with an SSD at the same time.
Yeah, I like to live on the edge.
This is exactly what I'm planning on doing. I'm intending to a do a fresh install on the SSD but, as far as I can see, you've got to upgrade the existing install on the HDD first and then somehow do a fresh install on the SSD. Have you found any info on how to do a fresh install after upgrade?
My laptop has nvidia optimus which, from a quick search, is causing problems under Windows 10 - so I might have to wait a while for that to be sorted first…
I'm not really fussed on doing a clean install, my laptop is a little under a year old and I hardly install anything on it.
This is literally all I've installed since getting it
Chrome
VLC
Skitch
Office 365
Adobe CCFair enough then. Mine is about 5 years old and could really do with a clean install. I figured it'd be a good opportunity with the recent SSD deals and the free Windows 10 upgrade.
http://www.maximumpc.com/yes-you-can-clean-install-windows-1…
Sounds like you'll be able to do a clean install
You'll need to do an in place upgrade first, then once you're running Windows 10 you can create a bootable USB to do a clean re-install.
I presume this is so it can embed your activation/license keys into the bootable USB first.
I've just done a clean install of Win10. There's a couple of ways to do it, including a kind of in-place 'clean' upgrade that doesn't keep your files/programs. I chose to do a proper 'clean' install though as it was a brand new laptop.
NOTE: I assume you already have a backup of your data!
If not, you might want to do that before starting this process.To do the upgrade/clean install follow these steps:
- Download Windows 10 from here. Make sure you choose the right version for your current OS e.g. 32bit vs 64 bit.
- Run the Media Creation Tool and choose your compatible Windows 10 version (e.g If you have Win7/8 Pro, pick the Pro version of Windows 10, otherwise, pick the Home edition). It's easier to use the Media Creation Tool just to create installation media on a USB key or DVD straight away rather than downloading as an ISO.
- After creating your install media, run the Setup on the install media to upgrade your existing install. You can choose to keep all your files. After the upgrade, check your System properties to ensure Windows 10 is activated.
- Then you can use the same boot media (USB or DVD) to do a clean install. I booted from the USB, formatted my drive to ensure it was clean and then installed Windows 10.
- During the install Windows10 will ask you for your license key at least twice I think. You can skip this. At the end of the installation check your System properties and make sure Windows10 is activated.
Done… No need for a license key.
already running the TP on my surface pro 3.
Have they already polished the touch interface for tablets (I thought it was going to be last thing on their agenda)? Then again I've not followed up on the tablet front of the W10 and it's almost the time for the release :S
So how is it on tablet? Better than Windows 8.1?
loving it on my SP3. i did an direct upgrade and everything works.
and the integration to google works now. i can get my calendar syncing again :)Hmmm, maybe I should put my surface pro 1 on Windows 10 at least… Hmmm…
Advertised for this week in dicksmith catalogue (full front page or back page), "buy a PC this weekend and receive windows 10 for free" I loled….
Well technially you're getting Windows 7/8.1 and 10 is just a free upgrade.
I'll wait until i have to.
Need to. Windows 8.1 began hanging on start-up yesterday, easier to nuke and start fresh than wade through and fix.
My understanding is that the release is going to be staggered so that there are no "wide spread" issues. I still plan on waiting for reviews anyway.
I might wait for a bit. I don't think there will be major issues with it, but then again, it's usually those tiny bugs that pisses people off.
@Mod, can you remove my neg, I accidentally click on the button
My heart is telling to update, but I probably will wait for reviews. W8.1 serving me fine for now.
I've been running the beta on my laptop since the initial release - it's finally in a really good place. There's still some rough edges like all OS' but performance is amazing and the refinements to Modern UI will be welcomed by the majority.
Yep, definitely upgrading as soon as I can. The previews seem to report that it's plenty stable enough for everyday use. I wouldn't be upgrading if I was using my laptop for mission critical or work stuff though.
A 3Gb download on a 8Gb plan (per month) is not something I will be doing until I can be sure I'm not wasting my data allowance. I've got three machines to do as well so all have the auto update now knobbled and I will get the ISO image to do the upgrade, eventually. Windows 7 does everything I need at this time so I can't see the point in rushing into something that might be broken….history repeats itself.
Windows 10 supposedly had a cool new feature, p2p update sharing on the local network. Just realised though that that probs won't help to much with the initial upgrade from 8 to 10
I tried this last week, Had 10240 build on my desktop and wanted to get to my laptop that had 10166, it still downloaded from the net. Hope they address it when it gets general availability as I have 3 machines that I have to update at home.
Vodafone free weekends? TOS fair use anyone xD?
I'm with Boost. Only Telstra out where I live…Vodafail and Floptus are useless in the bush and mobs like the old "3" don't even have their pigeons fly this way. 3Gb is my monthly allowance to do all at once and with all the forced "Google updates", I never have 3Gb to use myself. :( Nice idea though :)
So download the iso 3.2GB for the Pro 64bit ISO, then make a USB drive of it and use this to update all three machines. Bandwidth saved!
Media tool can be gotten here
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10IS…
I'm waiting for the reviews.
Definitely, for the sole reason they fixed the Wireless connection (waking from sleep) issue with the Surface Pro 3 in Windows 10.
Nope. I had 2 of my computers reserved but since removed them.
Being forced to get Windows Updates if you want them or not is a complete breaker for me.Nivida Geforce driver updates supplied by Microsoft have apparently already caused a bunch of problems in the current test build.
Causing complete crashes to loss of SLI or even removing extra monitor functions etc.
In the past I have had a bunch of cases of Microsoft sending me PC breaking updates with windows 7 and 8. Which is why I have check for updates on off.So unless Microsoft include a free person that comes to my house if/when a problem arises with windows 10 to fix any problems it gets a complete no from me even if it turns out to be the best thing ever.
I shouldn't have to fix their boo boos. Specially since any undo's will just get overridden next update check until Mircosoft pulls the offending update/s.Auto updates also stinks for people such as fruitbat that have low data allowances. As you can't really defer updates until later except by making the device go offline.
Being forced to get Windows Updates if you want them or not is a complete breaker for me.
Not for the Pro version.
Is there a way to get a cheap pro version like you could with 8 listed anywhere that I have somehow missed?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/204806
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/204806#comment-2935660Not 100% sure if they're genuine so there is a bit of risk.
The free upgrade only gives you Home.
It matches your equivalent version.
Perhaps easier to just stop the driver updates and ensure you get patches for the OS:
http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2165451/dont-windows-wind…
Hopefully this option remains available on Win10. My laptops touchpad and synaptics drivers are an absolute pain.
I've been testing it out and I don't think I'll go back to Windows 7.
It's not because of the free upgrade though.Is there any particular reason for this? I'll be going from Win7 for one of my machines.
Apart from perhaps gaming, What is actually better?
Probably going to wait for reviews… but i do have a spare lounge PC that I might update and test out windows 10 on.
No complaints with 7 atm .. so if it aint broke (u know the rest) :-)
Will you end up like those old people who don't know how to use a PC because it was the Good ol days.. as well?
Sorry, what do you mean? Everyone who finds W7 to work fine is a geriatric?
I cannot see any benefit from W10 apart from a faster start up. The rest is aimed at touch screen operation which I have no use for at this time.
Care to expand on your comment?There are in fact a CRAPLOAD more improvements than just faster start time, and if you've tried the preview like a lot of us here and played with it for a bit, you'd see touch screen operation is in fact NOT what the rest is aimed at. I find your comments on Windows 10 a little uneducated.
However, if Windows 7 does everything you want, and the point of this post was to give your opinion, then your points are extremely valid and spn's comment REGARDLESS is an unnecessary jibe so I have negged him/her for you :). Each to their own. You have a year to change your mind anyway should you want to right?
I find that everyone who says that always become one of those people who fail to adapt to change in technology in the future. hence the statement. Our generation today will say in the future
"BACK IN MY DAYS WE HAD REAL MUSIC LIKE JUSTIN BEIBER"
@spn: Mate I fully agree. Don't get me wrong. The amount of times a customer has called me out because their computer is running slow, and I get there and it's running An old Pentium, 2Gb RAM with Windows Vista is simply painful.
Or when they have a dinosaur scanners, then complain they will only scan to Windows Mail, then complain that for that to work with their gmail account they have to turn off some security features on gmail to allow Windows Mail to connect (happened today).
Or there's a problem with Windows XP and the customer is appalled Microsoft won't help them. A 14 year old operating system isn't being supported any more? How DARE they???
So, I'm with you, your points are valid, it was only your tone and little jibe at xywolap I didn't appreciate. Bit rude mate. Personal attacks have no place in this forum, is all.
I can remember my first OS.. DOS/W3.11,… then came W95 which would be the ducks guts for all… until the much improved W98 arose. Then came ME, and then the long time favourite XP and then the much maligned Vista and then W7. W8 appeared amongst much debate and when personally tested ( a few times on various machines) found it to be more gimmick than purposeful but some found it to their liking and that is not a crime.
As you can see… I have been through a few "amazing" OS's in my time…! So understand that while their might be a lot of hype and bed wetting over the release of another one please excuse some of the population for standing back and having a yawn… :-) I might give it a run on a spare machine one day.
As for the touch screen and apps approach, I prefer the Android platform for that style.
@spn: "Back in my days, we had real music like the Beatles" and Justin Beiber was a little kid that the little girls liked. I'm no spring chicken but I've had all the Windoze versions except Vista (thank goodness!) and even had ME, for about 30 hours before dumping it in the bit bucket. I started with DOS, probably before you were born, and have kept pace with technology more than you could imagine. I run my own website, do electronic repairs (Ex Electronics Engineer) and listen to decent music (in my opinion) so "your generation" is not as smart as they think they are. Heck, who do you think came up with this stuff in the first place? Definitely not "our generation". Ramrunner, you hit the nail on the head - If Windoze 7 does everything you want, why change, at least until Windoze 10 is proven to be stable. As for the "apps store", just M$ catching up with where the dollars actually are, in the "apps". Why else would Office 2007 be excluded from working on W10.
Hell no.
I won't even consider it for a few months at minimum, and then I'd have a number of red lines that would have to be met:
no auto updates. It's a long time since I've trusted microsoft that much and I'm not starting now. No auto updates, on any version, ever.
no obvious faults. It will take a while to find the faults, and I expect there will be many, so no install till they have been fixed.
no metro. I don't want to see it, ever. I'm not interested in 'a bit better hidden'.
no microsoft trying to pull an apple and dip into your pockets with app stores etc. Anything I want has to come direct, no microsoft intermediary.
We'll see if microsoft can learn the lesson and deliver. They have a year, because I'm quite happy to dump them if they don't - nothing about 10 is particularly interesting me as it is.
What's bad about having an app store? I don't use the one in Win8 at all, but I think it's great option for those who prefer apps.
Trying to force everything via it - which both puts up costs (for no benefit) and limits what you can install (because MS refuse to carry it).
It's windows, we don't need no filthy app stores.
You do know that there are Windows tablets, right?
@sane: Surface Pro series? Baytrail tablets? I think I can list those, but I'd rather not. Besides, I do agree that they are borderline useless on desktop, though no one is forcing you to use them.
My point is that even the android and apple tablets aren't doing great guns at the moment. The MS ones are doing much worse. Is it really worth lousing up the one money earner MS have, the desktop, for the dubious benefits of keeping that strategy going (and their one-size-fits-all strategy?)
God knows how they are planning to shoehorn one of their fisher price apps onto their HoloLens glasses - but I'd guarantee it would be a better fit to have the right interface in the right place for the right purpose.
@sane: I do agree that MS was an idiot trying to merge two platforms together by stitching tablet UI onto a desktop OS. I personally think it was like stitching legs and arms to a fish. That said, I do see what MS wanted to do, it's just that it's implemented rather poorly. What MS used to see the tablet as, was a PC with different input, whereas Android and Apple sees it as an enlarged smartphone. What I think they wanted to achieve was to bring users to tablet and have them already familiar with the UI while allowing desktop users to use touchscreen as another mode of input. It was done horribly, I think MS must've been high on something if they thought desktop users would've liked an UI that has a learning curve. I frankly think they could've let the Metro UI to be for tablets only and users have the ability to switch it on for desktop.
That said, that's going far ahead of whether app store is root of all evil. I personally think it's for the tablets, you could easily ignore it. There is no harm done from having it. If MS tries to do some stupid thing like what you are implying, trust me, I will be the first one to move to Linux. That said, I don't think they are doing that nor there has been any signs of that happening. Criticising something based on what you think is going to happen without any evidence, I think, is pointless.
Besides, there are metro apps that can be used on desktop without feeling too awkward. The Reader app have been fairly useful for me (You can let it occupy certain proportion of the screen and the "desktop" will not interact with that proportion). I've been using it for reading PDF files while typing stuff etc etc. Skype metro app is also alright, you can keep it on screen while doing other things on desktop. There is a silver lining in every cloud, I suppose.
Surface Pro series??
I'm pretty sure it's just called 'Surface' now; no more Surface Pros…
@inose: Even though RT is pretty much dead, I've not heard a single rumour that says Surface Pro series will be called just Surface. They released Surface 3 (and didn't name it Surface 4). So I have my doubts that they will just merge two together, at least for awhile.
I'm using a preview version and like it so far. Some thing you mention are wrong.
- It does have auto updates.
- Metro is disabled by default.
- You don't need to use the app store.
Liking it so far. Never used Win 8 so the new explorer took a while to get use to. Pretty much Win 7 but faster.
- It does have auto updates.
Yep, they were talking about no auto updates. The ability to turn automatic updates off.
I don't believe there is a Shutdown without applying update either.
Edit: I wonder if you could just change the hosts to update.microsoft.com 127.0.0.1 as the work around.
Yep, they were talking about no auto updates. The ability to turn automatic updates off.
I 'think' this was for home users only. I think the pro versions still allowed updates.
@Davo1111: Either way, I'm using Win7HP (with AU off) as my primary system - so that'll stay. Might eventually update my media centre PC / work PC though.
no auto updates. It's a long time since I've trusted microsoft that much and I'm not starting now. No auto updates, on any version, ever.\
Whilst frustrating for some this will benefit the majority of users from a security standpoint. I've had automatic updates on Windows 8 for years and it has never caused an issue.
no obvious faults. It will take a while to find the faults, and I expect there will be many, so no install till they have been fixed.
Can't argue with this one.
no metro. I don't want to see it, ever. I'm not interested in 'a bit better hidden'.
I think it looks nice - it's flat, it's clean, there's no nasty gradients. It looks Modern.
no microsoft trying to pull an apple and dip into your pockets with app stores etc. Anything I want has to come direct, no microsoft intermediary.
As OzHunter's comments - it's an additional way to get apps for people. I don't understand the dislike?
Auto updates have caused fair bit of issues for some users. i.e. one of the updates caused constant freezing of explorer.exe for those users use IME or something like that, which made me rollback. There were many issues with windows update for Surface Pro users as well. I am slightly put off by the auto update for that reason (though I do see the reason behind it, i.e. security issues).
I don't mind having the option of auto updates, even having it turned on by default. It's just that I will NOT accept it being forced - on any version. Hopefully someone will find the sysedit fix to force each update to an option on all versions (which I would also just about accept).
Flat metro looks fisher price and is measurably worse than actually having buttons that look like buttons. And Metro as a whole is a disaster which nobody should have to touch unless they want to (eg they are certifiable).
Additional app store, OK - but not required. I shouldn't need to go near it for windows apps. The problem is MS will try and force it, sooner or later. Oh, and 'universal' apps means LCD and metro practically (shudder).
there are a lot of people here (not just you) that are trying very hard to have others think as they do.
I really like the new UI - it's far simpler, at least as powerful and is soft on the eye… But I also understand people who like gradients, more colours, etc. when we went from win2k (clean lines) to XP (rounded, bright colour), I stayed in the stone age for 2 years with my clean lines :)
It's great we have choice.
One of the kickers for me is the simplification of the UI structure and naming. No more control panel (now settings) and settings has a small number of options vs the old 30 or so. So many things are tidied up and more logically structured.
Should you upgrade? That's up to you. I did because my OS crashed. I either re-installed, or Went to win10.
Ultimately, the biggest selling point for me is a simpler, more pleasant user experience.
Been using release version for about 2 weeks (approx). It's been stable for me.Kind of wish we DID have a choice.
Show me the skinable UI that you can have look and behave as you want and I'll think that it's a positive development. As it is 'flat' is a fashion, same as all those gradients and reflections that came before it.
I'm not a slavish follower of fashion …
I've had automatic updates on Windows 8
for years and it has never caused an issue.I've not personally had issues, but this year there's been a few bad Windows 8.1 updates - and have had to fix them for people.
Dump em for what? Linux,FreeBSD perhaps?
Also, I understand that the App store is now unified between Windows 10 and Windows Phone 10, maybe in a years time we'll all be using Lumias
Can't.. Using Volume License Copy of Win 8.1 in office & Home.
Ha ! I only changed from windows XP a few months back to windows 7 .
Gonna be years before I even contemplate windows ten….
You upgraded to windows 7? why not 8.1?
Because Windows 7 is better than 8? I have far less issues with 7, I find MS OS's skip a generation…it's almost like they try to make something cool and new, screw it up, then go "oh we better peg it back a bit then" so Win 10 should be pretty good :)
Yeah I wait until an OS is well tested, like for many years haha
I don't like change.. Still getting to some things in win7
I'm not going to deny that 8 was pretty bad, or that MS seem to have a cycling release cycle with products. I'm sure we've all seen this before.
The thing is, 8.1 fixed all the issues with 8 AFAIK, and it was "kind of" released as a new product, rather than a SP. So I'm unsure if windows 10 will be on the good cycle.
Not sure what issues people have with 8.1. It boots faster, is more stable and uses less ram than 7. Throw classic shell on it and you'll never see metro.
@Davo1111: Problems with Windows 8.1 that remain are compatibility problems, e.g. accessing phones and media players. No problem if you aren't affected, but bit of a pain when no amount of troubleshooting helps :)
@RJK: Can you give examples? It was flawless for me. iPhones, iPads, Nexus 5&7, Samsung Galaxy 4/5/6, WDTV, etc. never had an issue with any peripheral that I tried.
@DeWalt: Sure. Off the top of my head I've seen Windows 8.1 and 8.1n not work properly with Fitbit devices, Samsung S4 (CyanogenMod), Samsung ?Note (unmodded), and a 2009 Sony mp3/mp4 player. Others I could troubleshoot.
Otherwise I quite like 8.1 (with StartIsBack). At the moment I only have access to my Windows 7 pro laptop, and overall I do enjoy the Windows 7 interface more.
I installed a new VM with windows XP recently. It's faster than the newer ones, takes up a lot less space.
Yes, for job reasons.
I'm still on Windows 3.11
i am on 3.1 for pen computing.
I still have Windows 1.0 disks somewhere…
I will upgrade after my exams in late november. I don't want my software to shit itself, especially my outdated engineering software packages, which are still super useful.
i have 3 machines that can upgrade to win 10, 2 are running win 7 and the last is a tablet running 8.1
i might upgrade one of the laptops AMD to see how it goes, if its a smooth transission then ill do all three.
i wan to install the preview edition on my vista machine to see if it can handle it (pentium D 3.4ghz) and maybe leave it at that.
the other 3 machnes i have all run linux (peppermint 6, xubuntu and mint) which i mainly use anyway…..
realistically i beive upgrading regardless of harware specs will be good seeing as they are giving you a new OS which prolongs the life of having to purchase new software in the end… well thats how i see it.
It'll be interesting to see how your Pentium D 3.4ghz goes! Does it support DEP?
Hmm I'll have to double check that I'm sure it does, originally and still runs vista oem and 4gb ram has an nvidia le 7500 card so it should run it okish
No. Installing a first release of any product is asking for trouble. Call me when they have Windows 10 service pack 3 out.
Not sure why someone downvoted you for your opinion, but pushed it back to zero :p
I did the same for most versions of Windows other than Windows 7 - which I grabbed at the earliest opportunity to escape Vista.
As for the question in the OP: I'll probably make a few images of Windows 10 on each of my machines, but return them to their respective OSes. If it turns out I like Windows 10 enough, I might consider it one at least one of them.
I just know it will break something. AMD Radeon drivers in particular. Gonna do a image backup first and then upgrade perhaps a month later when drivers are updated.