Using number plates that made from different country
As you guys believe, number plates in NSW are overprice
I got my friend made it for from Vietnam. the Plate is exactly the name (size, color and material)
The million dollar Question is, can I use in NSW?
Thank you in Advance
@Logical: no where. It's obvious common sense which doesn't need to be written. But as I said, you can choose to interpret it differently according to your sense.
if its anything like a made in Vietnam fake Louis vuitton bag it will look like crap and stand out a mile away.
Times New Roman font?
I guess you could make a plate was non-reflective.
Can we get some photos? Compare their dented one to the viet counterfeit? If it's still as reflective, same metals, same numbers and same styling I couldn't see why not to be honest.
The biggest concern I would have as a law enforcement officer (I'm not one) would be if it is still reflective enough for the cameras to pick it up while you speed through a red light at 150kph.
Omg how much can you possibly save. Just get it here!
if we all applied that principle then there would be no need for OzB… why bother purchasing from Amazon or other overseas retailers when according to you we don't need to save.
It's one thing to save money from getting it an online competitor, but it's a completely different issue if it is illegal and results in possible fines.
I think someone mentioned to get a number plate from RTA was around $45 and of course the possible fines you can get. So my point exactly, how much can you save?!
OzB is not about being cheap, it's about spotting and sharing good value.
It's also not about being an idiot.
I think Yogapants' comments have been taken wrong, and that you're both on the same page.
From what I can gather, he/she is saying the saving wouldn't be big, and certainly not worth the legal issues. He/she is saying to just get the plate here.
I seem to be reading that you're of the same opinion.
Edit ok just realised you think it's fine to get them made overseas. Well that's just stupid.
I don't.
You are not buying plates, you are paying to rent plates to put on your car.
Plates remain property of the RMS at all times, and as such you can't supply your own for any reason.
Are there ever any bargains on these plates
I know there is a space for a promotion code on checkout on the website
Well yes
See this post
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/190978
20% off customised plates and free delivery
LOL
Why all the possible scenarios and replies with what if's? It is illegal to use fake plates, end of story, do not do it. There are reasons why it is illegal as is with every law. To Nick286, please go to the Transport Dept and tell them your plans and ask to know the ramifications, or HOW to make it legal IF it is at all possible. Then you will know for once and for all. That should of been your first question and to who. Then, please come back and tell us all with the true facts.
the OP is reprinting his existing plates… he is Not making up some new plate rego number. As such, how is it a fake plate? more like OEM plate.
Seems like you have money to waste, how much did you originally pay to have the plates ABC123
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/about/forms/45071552-exc…
RMS Form 1575 - "Number plates always remain the property of Roads and Maritime. You do not own number plates issued by Roads and Maritime."
So you only 'lease' the plate, and as RMS are effectively the owner they have the right to pick their manufacturer. Simple.
The OP in this case wants to buy his own plates and own them. Makes better sense to own your plates than to lease them, IMHO.
It would, if it was legal
please show me where it says that RMS is to be the one and only manufacturer of offical number plates. Also, please show me where it is stated that plates are to be reprinted only by RMS.
NSW Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007
28C Possession of number-plates
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if the person is in possession, without lawful excuse, of number-plates issued by or under the law of New South Wales or any other State or Territory.
Maximum penalty: 30 penalty units.(2) A person is guilty of an offence if the person is in possession, without lawful excuse, of number-plates that were not issued by or under the law of New South Wales or any other State or Territory but that could be mistaken for, or resemble, number-plates so issued.
Maximum penalty: 30 penalty units.
Now since the said overseas made plates were not issued by an Australian body, said overseas made plates are illegal.
@Logical:
And I'm sure if someone dug through the law enough they'd find more to crush your argument. Like the section mentioned previously, that these are under the ownership of the RMS, and always under their ownership, so you cant just simply choose to remake their product.
@Spackbace: please define "without lawful excuse"… the OP may have a lawful excuse and as such be "Not guilty of an offence"
Sigh
You just have no argument so instead you choose to nit-pick. What next, is my grammar and spelling not up to scratch?
Are you finally finished arguing a point on a 'what if' basis? Trying to find the 1% case, and not just taking the whole thing on face value - that what the OP is doing is illegal, fraudulent, and all over a relatively small charge.
So unless you feel like calling RMS and asking them personally what their viewpoint is, I think it's safe to say that on face value what the OP wants to do is against the law.
Feel free to do it, put the plates on your car and go to an inspection centre or directly ask a cop. I'd love the see the end result.
I didn't know there were so many goody two shoe law abiding citizens on Ozbargain and to top it off they are all lawyers and police officers.
None of these people go 2 kms over the speed limit and all have complete roadworthy cars at all times in their miserable life and have never broken any laws, wow.
You don't have to be a lawyer or a cop to know the law.
police officers
None of these people go 2 kms over the speed limit
Uh ok.
People break the law all the time, it's not exactly a good thing to go around boasting about it. If anything lawyers would be more likely to skirt around (read 'break') the law because of what they're more likely to know they can and can't get away with and what's worth the risk.
The main issue is severity and whether the risk of getting caught is worth the potential punishment.
OP asked a question of is something legal, and people responded with answers regarding the law.
What else did you expect exactly?
What happens when you need to surrender the plates? Are you going to give back counterfeit plates to the RMS?
He'd keep the old dented one to hand back I presume.
Yeah good idea
this is figuratively the dumbest post I've ever seen
So nick286, have you done the right thing and made a simple phone call to the legal authority on this matter? We are all interested to know the factual and correct answer to this overwhelming dilemma. I has been fun reading the banter, but enough is enough please.
If you can not afford the actual cost of owning and operating a motor vehicle legally, then don't have a vehicle. Cruel but true.
For you info…..use this to email them your questions: [email protected]
For you info…..use this to call with your questions: General enquiries: 13 22 13
For the rest of us, here is the letter of the law regarding vehicle inspections and number plates-:
www.rms.nsw.gov.au/…/vib-70-inspection-number-plates.pdf
NSW. Safety Check Standards. Body Condition Rule 105. Light Vehicles.
Rules for 105.11 Visually inspect the front and rear number plates.
Reasons for rejection…..
e) Any number plate is not of RTA issue, is damaged or……etc;
For further inquiries: RTA Technical Enquiries, PO Box 1120, Parramatta NSW 2124
1300 137 302, 02 9843 3821, www.rta.nsw.gov.au / [email protected]
Can we say the ones in vietnam are considered as counterfeits? Although unlikely anyone would check if its done by RMS even if you replace yours anyway.
So its up to your own discretion whether you wanna take the risks.
No can stop you OP if you wanna do it.
No one checks plates I had a custom made one for years and I have never been fined by the police or RMS.
For those who say that I was lucky I have been pulled over a few times for RBT and license check and modification check but never for my plates.
It's illegal to have more than one of the same plate, it's illegal to have plates made by the unknown.
God sake if you really wanted, just get some paper and marker and make your own plates for less than a buck, priceless.
@edwinlin88: and this is written where exactly?