Using number plates that made from different country
As you guys believe, number plates in NSW are overprice
I got my friend made it for from Vietnam. the Plate is exactly the name (size, color and material)
The million dollar Question is, can I use in NSW?
Thank you in Advance
only legal if you don't get caught.
Number plates only cost $42 to replace. And you must buy new plates from the RMS if you want to establish registration for your car.
lol this is so stupid. obviously answer is no.
No
If you factor in the fines you will receive buying proper plates is alot cheaper.
Clearly illegal, but I don't think this is as stupid a question as everyone else is suggesting.
In NSW, the Roads and Maritime Services charges a $160 one-off fee plus $99 per year to have a plate with customised colouring.
If you elect to register your vehicle and have a standard plate issued for $42, why shouldn't you be able to have that plate customised by a third party in a different colour / style for cheaper?
As long as the customisation meets the guidelines for plates that the RMS themselves issues, why should they have the monopoly of being the only supplier of the coloured plates?
Surely as long as the registration number on the vehicle is the correct one, why does it matter who makes the plate? As long as it meets their visibility guidelines etc.
They might be doing it to compensate for places where losses incur.
It might be because, as soon as you allow 3rd party number plate, it makes so much easier to counterfeit them as well.
Yes for example
I have abc123 (dent pretty bad)personalized color plate
So I gonna make new one exactly the new one and same as abc123 but made in Vietnam as original plate
is it the same though, does it have the exact same colour, the exact some reflective coating etc? Is it aluminium or just cheap tin that will rust. Will the paint fade off in six months?
For $42 its not worth the hassle.
How are the police & RMS going to regulate and ensure the standards of the thousands of different types of plates.
And even if they did, they would have to certify each manufacturer which would require resource driving up the price of the plates.
it's just a metal plate. what could go wrong?
probably nothing. the point is he's asking can he use in NSW?
the answer is no, it's illegal.
if it's possible to do it? sure it is.
colouring is not a reoccurring charge.. only customised numbers.
One word. Counterfeit.
Your friend has no way of ensuring that that number plate doesn't already exist.
Its the same as an ID. You can make it overseas because its cheap, but if you get caught, the first thing they will assume is identity theft.
He is saying the number plate already exists, it's his. Just that his has a dent in it.
I think she was talking about why the government doesn't want to allow it.
If you start letting 3rd parties to produce proof of identifications or number plates, then the government would need to check every single number plates to see:
1. Meets the standard.
2. Not a fake one or someone elses.
Even if the OP has no intention of doing identity theft or has the intention of getting the one that meets the standard, the law is the law, the government do not allow 3rd party license for a reason.
to be fair, OP didn't state that explicitly in the first post and this was an early comment. All the comments before me just said "no" and I was saying why. Misunderstanding on my part, but my point still holds. ;) If they do pick it up, they'll be suspicious before they realise it's the same guy.
No.
Hahahaha wow, that's just downright sad.
In the UK you used to see lots of DIY plates on trailers or where bikes obscure the car plates. You could also buy ones for this purpose from auto retailers.
That was a few years ago though.
The UK have different laws which allow you to buy plates from licensed plate manufacturers
They are quite often illegal though and if caught by police will be fined as they're not up to standards in uk. Its the usual "not illegal to sell" but illegal to own/use
Not just UK, I've seen a few cars with trailer and bike at the back covering the plate and the owners couldnt be bothered ordering a supplement plate from vicroads, instead they put their own blacksmith skill on a rusty piece of metal, or obtaining it from some third party, which looked like vicroads plate but with very weird font. Some even went as far as using texter on their piece of metal. And this is Melbourne Im talking about.
no, if you get caught, the penalty will be the same as not having one.
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Maybe more for identity theft etc if he racks up fines on someone else's plate no.
One word NO….
I think OP is talking about using the same number plate i.e abc123 which is made in Vietnam that he currently owns here in Australia (abc123). If its exactly the same colour, size and looks identical i don't see why not. If you own the plate and can get it done cheaper overseas i don't see an issue - Heck i would. If OP is talking about committing fraud i.e using plates made overseas but with digits that don't belong to his vehicle, well then yes…common sense isn't so common.
Yes for ie
I have abc123 (dent pretty bad)personalized color plate
i gonna make new one exactly the same abc123 in Vietnam as original plate
It wont be the same.
It will be a different paint.
The paint they use on number plates is very reflective.
Best case if you get caught police will think your stupid.
Worst case they will think there is multiple cars using your plates.
Its really just asking for trouble.
the plates issued by RMS have approved standards for the shade of colour, reflective, size ,sourced from a supplier who meets australian standards etc
if people start buying plates from here there and everywhere, police would have to check every single plate to make sure it complies with RMS standards.
not sure if I agree with this one.. correct me if I'm wrong but people buy tint from everywhere and there is only an issue if… well… if they find an issue? same principle no? if OP takes the initiative to have the exact same plate made and it complies with ADR, in my mind it seems plausible that there would be no issue? surely this would be better than driving with damaged/defaced plates?
total garbage. what makes u feel the need to write such lies?
the government themselves makes every colour under the rainbow + every format + lots of shapes and sizes. lol
bahhh bahhh (sheep noise)
"if people start buying plates from here there and everywhere, police would have to check every single plate to make sure it complies with RMS standards."
No. Police only need to check if they are counterfeit. Just like bank notes, if they are counterfeit, they are counterfeit, full stop. There is no checking to see if Australian Standards are meet. You're in trouble.
I understand your point… Mine is: the plates remain the property of the RMS; you are basically leasing them, and need to return them. This could potentially be cause for problems later if OP goes ahead with his plan.
What if he keeps the old ones and returns them instead.
They would charge OP for damaged plates anyway?
why would he keep the old plates if he thought this whole process was legit.
the fact that he keeps the old plates for "just in Case", then you are already telling yourself your doing something wrong.
All vehicles registered in NSW must have official number plates mounted and clearly displayed at the front and back of the vehicle.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/plates-labels.h…
OP
This sounds more like a question of Would you do it rather than are you allowed to
Agreed.
If you want approval from others then ask on a website like ozbargain.
If you want to know if it's legal. Go and ask the department of transport directly.
Just… Don't…
NSW number plates has special reflective coating. Try to take a photo of your car with real camera+flash (not phone camera flash), the number plates will stand out brightly
This will ensure RMS can read the number plate easily when someone nabbed by red light / speed camera
Overseas made number plates might not have this kind of coating
they do
its exactly the same
yeh so do it then mate. no1 fkn cares anymore
Op, it may look the same but it won't have the same reflective coating.
AfP is going seize your plates by kicking your door down and disrespect your family johnny Tran style.
My number plates are pretty dirty. I think I should scrub them with some ajax and a scourer.
I would love number plates that would go dark upon a flash (so you can't read the lettering). Wouldn't have to worry about those pesky red lights any more!
There is a coating that achieves this. I believe you can get into a spot of trouble if it is discovered though.
this was, or maybe still is, a thing in america. i believe people were putting a plastic cover over their plates that rendered the number plates completely unreadable to speed cameras with flash
And they are illegal here. My nan had to change her plate protector plastic probably 20 years ago when that was discovered to be an issue.
You could probably get away with using them still now but if you ever got pulled over for something they would get you for it.
There was a mythbusters ep about this a while back. Didn't most of them not actually work?
If they allowed third party number plates, people could easily replicate a number plate to look the same, but not be reflective.
Them making it illegal means that they'll all be the same, and if someone does use a third party number plate, it'll be easier to distinguish between the two.
It's your gamble whether you want to try it or not. If they're exactly the same font, material etc, it's unlikely you'll get caught. But if something doesn't look right, you'll be pulled over and they may look over the car for anything else dodgy. It's one of those things, you could have darker tint, lower suspension, louder exhaust.
All of which can be illegal and brings attention to you.
Of course, in fact, if you choose not to use number plates at all, you don't have to follow the speed limits, and petrol is free. Only suckers actually use number plates.
Well technically it will be illegal, but if it's the same rego as your current, and it looks and feels the same, I highly doubt someone will inspect it that close to see if it's made here or not. As long as it is painted with same colours, same material and same coating, no one can tell the difference. That said, how will you import it? You can easily get busted during custom checks and they can charge you for importing counterfeit items from overseas. But yeah I think I know what you are trying to say, they shouldn't be charging so much for something that costs them probably less than half of that. For a lot of users here who think it is a stupid question: He is not asking to get a fake rego. He already owns the rego and paid for it. He just wants the plates made. But I do believe it might be illegal for similar reasons to why drivers licence or passport and other stuff cost more here to buy. You can get a drivers license with same photo and same number and address and everything made overseas, but still it would be illegal because there are hidden symbols and special material. If they make it legal to make drivers license overseas, can you imagine how many illegal licenses will take over? I believe same reason would apply to number plates.
What happened to the days when number plates were churned out by people in prison. Or you mean to tell me that people in prison are being paid to make number plates and it costs more than having them made overseas.
Tongue in cheek comment too by the way.
Anyway as most have stated it is illegal and I think mainly because of the revenue raising greed of the RTA/RMS and OSR.
Customs claim to x-ray every package. If they happen to notice someone's sending you a number plate they're likely to be rightfully suspicious. How many people get Australian number plates sent to them from overseas? I would venture that number is close to zero per year. It will automatically look like you're trying to commit fraud or steal petrol by using a fake plate.
The other part of the question is, would the material really be exactly the same as a genuine plate? Genuine plates are coated with a reflective coating for easier visibility at night.
I think you are dreaming. If you think about what you said, nothing would ever get in our borders by mail. Are vthey going to tell you anything like 69.45% dont get x-rayed. Of course not.
agree, they probably will not catch an imported license plate.
Nek minute on national news Vietnamese smuggling rink caught importing counterfeit Australian number plates laced with meth amphetamine.
or they'll just think you are buying a novelty plate to hang on the wall
Whatever you or your friend made, is not considered 'official' in NSW.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/plates-labels.h…
I think everyone is getting caught up in the legalities. I would assume that it would be impossible to defect the car or be able to notice that the plates aren't from Aus. Go ahead if it looks the same its fine.
Damn those legalities getting in the way of things!
All for revenue raising purposes.
OP, while you are at it, might as well put on special reflective coatings so the camera wont pick up your number plates ;)
aha in Australia we call it DIRT.
I think it's not allowed. The easiest way to find out is ringing RMS.
So….. How cheap are they ?!
They prolly just wanna rock some Viet style on their ride not the cost.
Probably $5 with $30 for postage
Are these the Vietnamese plates that have a moving waterfall in the background, like the picture my local takeaway has on their wall?. Sample http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7Hg_z21DLfA/Ulyul10RkoI/AAAAAAAAGN…
Wow that dolphin really looks like it is giving the evil eye!
feel uneasy staring at that
Risky… I would expect the Police to setup a special task force to investigate your number plate and after forensic testing and matching the paint and metal fabrication of the manufacturer's then ascertaining the certain differences in the manufactured plate you would be in deep trouble for fraud.
If by some chance you pulled this off and did get away with it for some years then had to hand back the plates at some future date it could still be investigated as a cold case however if you have no prior convictions the judge may let you off with a light sentence.
In the event that you are also caught a special gang squad in jail would be ready to punish you for your horrible deeds. License plate fraud is one of the most serious offences in jail as inmates themselves are used to produce the plates.
Saw a H2 with Arizona plates on it today….
The answer to your question is: its illegal. Don't do it!
^This^
Vehemence born of experience. OP, please heed.
Wicket was too embarrassed to go into detail, but when she first came to Australia from Mauritius, she was silly enough to use her personalised, Mauritian, WIKI 1 plates on her car.
She did try to look otherwise inconspicuous (occasionally pretending to eat a Vegemite sandwich while driving), but she still got caught.
OP, everybody who comments in the OzBargain forums has been through some harrowing experiences - some of them vehicle-related.
The many savings made from OzBargain deals enabled Wicket to finally pay off her fine, but, OP, please learn from her experience, and ours.
P.S. OP, are you Vietnamese like your plate-making friend?
Have you ever met Natalie Tran?
No?
That's unfortunate.
:(
pretty sure the back of plate has identification number that is for checking the plate is real or fake.
i know this is a stupid point but what about those people who make number plates and put it on their trailer.
lol you got hit jubba. doesn't the government sell trailer plates too?
Jubba makes a good point though. I often see trailers with what looks like a piece of cardboard stuck to the back of the trailer, with the plate details written in texta… With the same plate details as the car itself.
I don't own a trailer, but I'm assuming this is illegal, and I see it ALL the time.
You are meant to register your trailer: http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registr…
-I used reflective stickers on my trailer (small 6x4) to match my car plates. it was clearly not a vicroads original - never had an issue. I wouldnt do it on my car, but it makes me wonder, why is it fine for the trailer?
I see it all the time too, and I've never been pulled over.
posted mine and just saw the previous post was essentially the same :P
To answer your question, You can definitely use the plates. Highly unlikely that you will be pulled over by police for having 'like new' plates on your car…. however very likely to be pulled over with your 'compliant' but damaged plates. I would do it too. Can your friend make personalised plates eg black plate background and white text? if so, then I would be interested to get some new plates.
Victoria is a bit unique in this regard because you don't need trailer rego plates for ordinary 6x4 trailers there - just a re-issue of your car's plate.
I have always wondered how that would work if you moved said trailer interstate (e.g. to SA, where every trailer needs a rego plate). Why couldn't a SA-plated car just run a numberplate-less trailer and say it is a Victorian trailer??
Just wondering, isn't it cheaper if your friend makes more than one? How about a group buy?
According to RMS you need official number plates
"All vehicles registered in NSW must have official number plates mounted and clearly displayed at the front and back of the vehicle."
official may mean 'official design' only and not 'officially issued'…
Govt word of official could only mean there product
no, it means officially issued. but you can choose to interpret it differently.
and you are a lawyer? On what basis have you interpreted 'official' to mean "officially issued"? please advise .
RMS are the only ones who issue official plates. anything else would not be official.
No.