Why can't you Neg vote when a supplier does not ship to your state?, I use Tasmania for example often as its often overlooked and excluded. We all live in Australia, Aus post delivers to all of Australia so why do we allow the exclusions without any recourse.
Why can't you Neg vote.......
stemcell on 20/01/2015 - 17:06
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Because not being available to 2.2% of the population does not make something any less of a bargain to the majority.
Where is this Tasmania place you speak of?
You haven't seen Young Einstein? It's a documentary made in Tasmania on his exploits.
I always thought that was fictional, along with the location.
Actually none of it was shot in Tasmania, according to [IMDB]9http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096486/locations?ref_=tt_ql_dt_6)
Quite a bit was shot in the Newcastle/Lower Hunter area (hence the appearance of Su Cruickshank & Mikey Robins, as well as Sydney, Uluru etc. ;-)
You've never seen a map of Tasmania?
User name tells me he's looking at the other side…!
With rampant deforestation, the map looks very different than it did in the 70s.
Looks like Brazil?
You've never seen a map of Tasmania?
I've seen one, but it wasn't pretty.
They used to deliver to Tasmania mate, but your devil eats all the parcels.
Tasmanian Devil: "As the youngest of the Looney Tunes characters, Tasmanian Devil, or 'Taz' as he has come to be known, is generally portrayed as a ferocious albeit dim-witted omnivore with a notoriously short temper and little patience. He will eat anything and everything, with an appetite that seems to know no bounds. He is best known for his speech consisting mostly of grunts, growls and rasps, and his ability to spin like a vortex and bite through just about anything."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_Devil_(Looney_Tunes)
'If it's not a good deal to me, it's not a good deal to anyone else.' doesn't seem like a valid reason for a neg.
The purpose of a neg vote is to tell people that it isn't a good deal and you should stay away from it, or that the shop has done you wrong and is providing unreliable/shoddy service. Not for you to express your dissapointment that you can't get the item because it's only a pickup / is too inconvenient for you to acquire.
The 'me' in my sentence above refers to an imaginary dialogue a negative voter would have, not you, Stemcell.
On that basis I ought to be able to neg every post which has a free giveaway at a local train station/grocery store/or other pick-up only everywhere except Perth.
Dumb idea.including perth, if it's too much bother to go and get it!
Good point - Perth is a big place so if its not close or on my way then more negs!
If I have to cross the river, NEG!
Can you give some examples? I don't recall seeing any that wouldn't ship to Tas.
I think the postage is probably the same so it doesn't make sense.
That said, I don't think it is not a bargain if the supplier doesn't ship to where you live.
No Vote - The deal doesn't apply to you (Situation you have described)
Negative Vote - The deal is not the cheapest available/Defective product/Major issues with retailer
Can you give some examples of deals being overlooked and excluded for Tasmania ?
We all live in Australia - Yes but very much Sydney and Melbourne concentric. (I'm not trying to have a shot at anybody..just trying to say that large cities have advantages..bargain wise)
Tasmania is an example, I am aware the NT often have issues regarding shipping. I've read the rules and am questioning them.
Why don't you talk with moderators if you want to question rules and guidelines of OZbargain?
Can you give some examples of Specific deals being overlooked and excluded for Tasmania ?
Also I think of Amazon deals for example, where there is no barrier to ship anywhere in Australia.
Have a look at the most popular deals in last 30 days, anything there ?
The correct response is to ask the OP or mods to edit the title or description to say does not ship to X. The neg vote is not intended for the situation you describe.
I'll use this one as a quick example https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/178977 they ship everywhere but Tasmania.
Well it's still available to the rest of Australia, I don't see why you think it deserves a neg.
Lol you want Australia post to deliver that! Poor postie
Unsure if that was a bad example. I couldn't find where it stated that they don't ship to TAS. At checkout in the courier option it does have TAS in the State dropdown.
Start posting Tassie deals that the rest of Australia can't access and see what happens?
Just because you cant access the deal (when the majority can), it doesn't mean its not a good deal. Lots of deals are targeted eg. existing customers, new customers and even income for credit cards, you wanna neg those too?
Plus, if you want to see more deals that include Tasmania, perhaps you should contribute more and post some deals to help your fellow Tassies, rather than whinging?
Hmmm, I have been in similar situation as the op with the scooter deal before Christmas. Well, instead of Tasmania, it was ACT but, well pretty much the same situation other than the location. I personally think the validity of the bargain doesn't go away if only small portion of the population is affected. If you look at some deals posted, they are specifically aimed at certain state, like some of the clearance items. There are some deals that are more attractive to certain state as well, i.e. MSY and how some states do have brick and mortar store. That being said, negging usually mean that it's not a bargain, from the guideline, so not being available to my place doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a bargain for others. Just my 2c.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/107855
So anyone that wasn't close to a DSE that had this in stock could've negged the deal?https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/152508 https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/132921
Could an Android/Windows/Blackberry user neg either of these?I'm just trying to work out where you want to draw the line in the sand for what can and cant be negged.
Why can't you Neg vote when a supplier does not ship to your state?, I use Tasmania for example often as its often overlooked and excluded. We all live in Australia, Aus post delivers to all of Australia so why do we allow the exclusions without any recourse.
It depends on whether the deal will be useful to at least a group of people.
For example, if there is a store that has one storefront in Melbourne and they offer a good deal, they're still catering to a very large group of the Australian population, even if they don't ship interstate at all.
How about a deal that is only in stock at particular stores.
We judge deals on its merit. If a deal is not applicable to you, then just don't look at it and don't vote. Simple as that. For example, just because you aren't interested in fashion, does that mean that you should be able to negative vote a deal on fashion just because it's not to your taste? No, it's useful to other people and therefore should obviously stay.
If a supplier doesn't ship to your state, why not take it up with the supplier instead? It sounds like you just want to complain about the issue rather than solve it.
Regardless as many have pointed out already, negging a deal based on one particular state (out of eight) that can't get it is being unreasonable - don't forget that just a few negs can bury a post, potentially denying the rest of the community of a good bargain!
If Tasmanians neg a lot of deals for this particular reason, what should people from the NT (including myself) do? Start rioting?
Well I guess you got your answer loud and clear stemcell!
The neg vote isn't a one-click "change the world" button. If something is a good deal, despite some limitation on where the item is shipped, it does not in any way warrant a neg vote.
Neg button = "This item can be easily found cheaper than this deal elsewhere". I still think negs should only come out when the price margin is relatively large against it as well.
Could we introduce a one-click "change the world" button ?
I would find that quite a useful feature.
Sort of like bikies poll option.
You need to report the posts you are talking about so the title/description be altered to be more clear.
Leaving a negative vote will not solve ANYTHING.
Agreed, especially when the poster is most likely not affiliated with the business. Perhaps a state filter for the deals page? Will need a little more info from the poster and will be hard to judge whether a store deal is national, but would maybe help sort out state specific deals.
How do I neg post above?