Scammed by Europcar. Is there anything I can do?

Hi Everybody, I've been contemplating this issue for a while and thought I would ask the professionals.

10 months ago I rented a car from europcar at the gold coast airport, this unfortunately was the same week of schoolies (of which I was not and just had poor timing) and the hail storms. I took the car from the airport which all the cars were parked not under cover, and drove it around for 4 days.

Two out of those days was heavy hail, one while I had the car, and one after I left. I checked the car in and they ticked it as fine with no damage, a week later I received an email that I am going to be charged 2.5k for invisible hail damage (We checked the car very well, but of course not with a black light). I responded requesting pictures and a quick completion because I purchased travel insurance and I don't want to leave them waiting, at the mention of travel insurance I never received another word from them.

9 months later, after the financial year they took the money directly out of my expired account (At the worst possible time, due to having a newborn baby and spending the rest of my savings on furniture as we moved out for our first time a week before the babies birth). I get paid monthly and they basically took everything leaving me to beg for money for the entirety of the month, 3.7k randomly with no warning.

Due to my financial issues and the fact that my card I produced to them was expired, I began a charge back so I could survive for that month, A month after this they responded to the charge back saying if I didn't send them the money they would A) take me to court and B) put me on a registry so I can never rent a car again, I buckled and gave them their money back. Their contract seemed pretty specific on this that irregardless of time or expired details their debt collectors can take whatever they want whenever they want.

Should have I taken them to court, is there anything I could have done, my baby is two months old now and I'm being put on a month of no pay so the only thing keeping me alive right now is my small tax back. Also is there a way to make sure they haven't charged another person for the same car in the past 10 months (The Receipts were a week before they charged me, so 9 months after the occurrence, and basically every panel on the car was replaced, I'm surprised they didn't replace the transmission at the same time and say its the hails fault)

(Note: the travel insurance failed, We made sure to purchase the cheapest one that covers rental cars for the day of the hail, I talked to the insurance company and they responded saying the package I purchased did not cover rental cars, So either it was a slight in error on our part then OR they changed their package over the past 9 months, of which I cannot be sure, ACE insurance essentials package through hsbc)

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        • nicely ask CBA if they can give you a free diamond card upgrade which covers interstate travel. higher annual fee but usually waived if you have their home loan with wealth package

        • +1

          some commbank cards do cover for rental car excess anywhere in the world, not just OS. Mine does. This is separate from the travel insurance.

          Check this if you paid with this card.

          big saving on the gouging for excess reduction.

  • +6

    I have Followed the advise here and asked Fair Trading for their opinions, they said they will get back to me sometime next week (I even linked them here so feel free to say Hi)

    I also asked NAB to cancel my cancellation of the chargeback until fair trading gets in touch with me. I may have gotten back to NAB too late to ask them to hold off a little longer but here's too hoping.

    After talking with fair trading and seeing what they think social media may be a great idea if this issue is unethical, Thanks for that suggestion, Hopefully FT gets back to me in time so they haven't changed their question on HowRU. I will keep you guys update on the outcome.

    Thanks for all the help people.

  • I would follow up with whatever Fair Trading does with a lawyer's letter. You usually can get one done for a couple of hundred dollars or less.

    Following that, I would take them to your state's version of a small debts court, where they won't be able to be represented by a lawyer. Sometimes they will fail to show and you will be awarded by default. The filing costs are minimal. You might not win, but it's worth a go.

    • Thankyou, but how much is court fees thoughfor small claims court, If it's going to cost me $500 bucks and I lose I'm out of pocket 4.2k now.

      • +2

        It depends on the state. It's about $100 in Qld from memory and about $70 to have the company served. Or you can usually do that yourself if you file an affidavit of service afterwards. It's a pretty cheap gamble. Some of the decisions made by the Registrar / Magistrate seem to fly in the face of logic, but the process itself is pretty easy. You put in a claim, they put in a counterclaim, you deny their counterclaim and then it ends up in the small debts court. Sometimes there is forced arbitration before court, where you can negotiate a lower amount. Or as I say, they might not turn up and you will win by default. It's a cheap way to have your day in court and enjoyable if you have a win. If you don't, you don't have to bare any costs of the other side. I would love to see them explain invisible damage to the Magistrate.

      • +2

        Better than guaranteeing losing $3.7k

  • +2

    Haha, I was hoping to wait until we had more advice legally from fairtrading but it seems my partner jumped the gun while I was working and posted it to facebook, Not quite what I had in mind this early but what can you do.

    Would much appreciate any support from you unbelievably helpful folks.

    • +3

      Keep us updated on what Europcar say/do from the Facebook post.

      But yes, like JB1 said - right now you're guaranteed to lose 3.7k if you sit and do nothing. Imagine what you could do with that 3.7k if you had it right now - going out, travelling, dinners, toys for the baby…

      Take the gamble, I'm sure you'll win - charging you 9mths later, invisible hail damage, are they serious?

      • Will do, I posted the link to here which facebook read as getting scammed by europcar, and I detailed the situation more, They then deleted my post and put a huge long picture to hide my fiance's post, My masters is in business Tech and one of the units was detailing how to avoid social media problems, text book example, Could have saved myself 2k for the cost of that unit by just seeing that.

        • Europcar has deleted my post too. Classy!
          I just noticed that they've even stopped people from posting to their photos too.
          Is deleting negative comments (and stopping people from posting on the FB page) the best they can do to deal with the problem?

        • +2

          @Love a bargain: like me, you have been banned from there page. you cant post/like anything on there now.

          like you say…. classy….. coughfarkingdodgycough

        • +1

          @Love a bargain:

          I've been banned from posting to their site as well.

          How else can we get the message out?

  • Do you have any written proof of the email or letter trail?
    They have certified it as being OK when you left the car with them.

    Does it say on the T&C that they can come back later and take money from you if they find a issue? If it doesn't then by them saying it is OK and taking the car back, then that is the conclusion of your transaction with them, therefore they cannot say anything else.

    You have all the paper work saying the car has been returned in a satisfactory and OK condition?

    You can go through Civil Court to get them to pay you back.

  • +6

    Let's post it on OzBargain's FB page and tag Europcar to keep the pressure on social media on.

  • +3

    Do they have Twitter? Let's stick it to em! I hate these low-life people/companies who do dodgy/underhanded tactics like this. Let's show em what OzBargainers are made of

  • +3

    StayClassy Europcar: R U OK Europcar Australia? or are you banning accounts from your page for a reason that you seem to think is garnishing you good will or retention of your customer base?

    yeah i'm bored lol

    • haha that lasted a whole 3 minutes before it was also removed

  • don't really like Europcar although the vehicle they have are pretty good.

  • +3

    Reading all the comments here about having Facebook replies deleted from their page really has me angry on everyone's behalf.

    Those dodgy bastards.

    This situation is definitely one which warrants some very sharp pitchforks.

  • Good luck with pursuing Europcar, it is a horrible story. The lesson is never trust rental car companies and take lots of photos and videos. Their tactics are abhorrent regardless of if it is the Gold Coast franchise or the company as a whole. I must remember to never rent from them.

  • Stay away from europcar, bunch of scammers. Business practices like this wont last

  • +5

    OP you could always try crowd funding to raise some $ for legal costs. I don't know if you would get enough to cover a lawyer, but maybe enough to lodge action in court.

    Hell I promise $10 if you do get things going :)

    • +2

      Same

    • +2

      same

  • This thread does not surprise me. A have read a lot of similar cases in different forums, specially about this company. So far I remember, their NZ branch is even penalized by the court for false claiming and excessive claiming from the customers.

    After reading all those posts about this, I was really outraged… Another problem that occurred for me is that I now do not dare to take a rented car anymore, as I cannot afford such consequences…

  • I had the same issue with Europcar. They had the audacity to deduct money from my credit card 4 months after I dropped off the car. They claimed I had a parking fine which I never had! I used the car to get home from airport late night and to their branch the next day. Luckily my bank annulled the charge and I will never ever approach them ever.

  • Left my Comment there for you.. LOL

  • contact the bank, put in a dispute

  • +2

    Mate this is a joke. Hail damage. Invisible at that. U shouldn't of paid them any money. This is nuts.

  • I've read alot of horrible stories of this company, why someone doesn't take any legal action against them its not cool.

  • +13

    it happens to me once 8 years ago, when i returned the car the guy who received my car check everything and it is alright. 4 days later, i got charged 1.5k on my cc because the side of the car has been badly scratch.

    I called them and complaint but they not even care, so i went to their office and argue with them (I am Uni student at that time) saying that why you take my money after 4 day i returned back the car, because anything can be happen in 4 days. instead of accuse me, i accuse the manager back that he is the one who damaged the car after i left. I got the proof because when i returned the car, every thing was alright.

    I threat to sue and bring this to court and warn them if they not returned my money today, they will talk to my lawyer ( off course I dont have any lawyer, I am only a poor uni student) and the guy reply me "ok go ahead, we've been this situation many many times, with customer like you, we won everytime. called your lawyer and see you in court")

    I am crying out loud in my heart and leave their office sadly, i went back to my uni and thinking to make appointment with free legal aid Uni, while on the way to the legal aid office, they called me and apologize to me of what just happen and they process my refund immediately.

    In my opinion, you have very strong standing position here, after 7 days you returned the car and after 9 months by taking your money???

    firstly, when you return the car, they not complain, once you leave the premises it is not your responsibility anymore as anything can happen after you leave not to mention 7 days later, even 1 hour i wont accept to pay anything.

    secondly, it is not your fault, the fault is the guy who checked your car, he is the one who need to pay, not you as he failed to check the car.

    Once you returned the car and the guy who inspect the car was happy, the contract between you and europcar is finished, you are not reliable for anything happen after that seconds you out from their place.

    sorry for my english

    • +21

      sorry for my english

      There are people that aren't bilingual that have worse English than you :)

      • +12

        There are people that aren't bilingual that have worse English than you :)

        OI!!!!!! i resemble that remark….

  • +1

    LET THEM TAKE YOU TO COURT. They will fail miserably. There was a huge error on your part, getting scared by their puffery threats and bluff and actually engaging with them by asking for photos and giving them the money back. There is no way they were taking you to court, and who cares if you can never rent from Europecar again, there are many rental companies. This is just some dodgy franchisee that has shafted you.

    Can you still cancel the charge via the bank?

    Basically the second they ticked that it was fine when you returned the car your liability was removed. The court will throw this out the window, secondly it looks very bad they did this after nine months, and secondly it smells like they have done something illegal with charging an expired credit card.But at the end of the day nothing else matters because they ticked that box.

    • Without going to courts, can they use debt collectors and put the victim's (ie. customer) name to those bad credit black lists so that the victims cannot get bank loans etc? I've heard that phone companies do this to people who don't pay the bills so I am wondering whether any business can do this.

      • if they do this to you (you suddenly got bad credit black lists) you can sue them back.

  • +2

    OP, do not let this slide, you have a very good chance to win this case in your favour. Take the chance or else you'll be forever wondering that you should have done something.

  • +6

    OP, if everything you state is correct and you have proof, fight them.

    Do the chargeback if you can as then Europcar has to conetmplate if they really want to take the risk. At the same time, send them a letter stating the facts chronologically, and why you did the chargeback. Also mention that you take the matter has been dealt with now. Do not be insulting or angry but factual.

    Make preparations for a possible fight: get documents, copy them, get possible affidavits, receipts etc.

    Investigate if NCAT can be used (I am not sure about the monetary amount but up to $5000 should be OK).

    www.ncat.nsw.gov.au

    If they threaten you with court after the chargeback and letter, initiate a claim with NCAT as that will limit your costs and reduce your financial risks (once they have filed something in court you have to get a lawyer - at NCAT you do not as they try mediation first, and then you can self-represent which is normal - at least in QLD so please check that again but I assume it is very similar as all of those tribunals esentially originate in the same legislation)

    My experience is that once you promise them some NCAT action, they will give in as it is public and they know they will lose. If you like you can also write a letter to their HQ in France (see Wikipedia or thei website) and mention that, possibly attaching some other horror stories you have come across on OZ, Facebook or elsewhere.

    I dealt with them on a similar problem. After I wrote them a letter outlining the possible punishments for fraud for the managers (similar to vicarious liability) they gave in, given I had all the documents proving my client's/friend's claims.

    To anybody renting a car - in this day and age I recommend you take lots of pictures, and also record any conversation taking place between you and the staff so they cannot go back on it. Also insist on a signed statement outlining existing damage. I know it sounds pedantic but it will save you trouble, worry, and money later.

    Good luck.

    P.S.: If you can get 30 min or 60 free consultation go and do consult a solicitor. The only possible problem I can see is that you charged back, and then returned the money which might be construed as acceptance of the claim. However, if you can prove they actually threatened and intimidated you (the promise of enforcement of a proper legal claim is NOT a threat, even if the other party perceives it as such) then that should not be a problem. As I said, if you can get free legal advice, go and get it. It is hard without documents and details
    to make a %100 proper assessment. A local solicitor should be able to do that - if you file a claim with NCAT then do not worry as your costs and liability are limited to the filing fee which in QLD is 22.20 and should be similar in NSW.

  • +10

    OzBargain fundamentals 101: don't piss off the OzBargain community.

  • +8

    Everyone lets get onto this Facebook campaign on their website as I think it is getting traction. It will take just a min of your time to help another Ozb with an unscrupulous vendor. We need to weed that out.

    https://www.facebook.com/EuropcarAU/photos/a.212068822208017…

    My post:
    Europcar, I too am a member of the Ozbargain community. We are a powerful consumer collective force in Australia and like our bargains and good vendors to do business with, but nothing irks us more than dodgyness from unethical vendors. I sincerely hope you hold the Franchisee to account for the damage they have done to your brand. Unscrupulous franchisees do no good for your company or your customers. If the car is signed for as ok when it comes back, then thats that. As for invisible hail damage - what a load of BS. Never will I hire from Europcar anywhere in Australia thanks to what your franchisee has done to Michelle.

    • Sounds like the Franchisee has a scam going with his buddy down the road who is a crash repairer and its not an uncommon tactic of dodgy Franchisees of companies that don't have strict checks and balances to ensure their Franchisees are doing the right thing for their brand.

      Reading the links that abh_gup posted below, like this one http://europcar.pissedconsumer.com/damages-scam-extra-charge… and this whole invisible damage BS….. the only reason for repairing damage that does not exist is to pay a crash repairer some money. Either that or the crash repairer does not exist either as he is invisible also, and the invisible damage is fixed after getting the money.

  • +3

    Here is link to a relevant webpage:

    ACCC takes action against Europcar in Tasmania

    https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/accc-takes-action-agai…

  • -63

    To the OzBargain Community,

    We’re very sorry to hear about this negative experience with Europcar. We want to assure you we take all customer feedback very seriously and we’re currently investigating this matter to find a resolution.

    We have been in direct contact with the affected customer via Facebook so we can find out exactly what happened and address their concerns. Our Customer Relations Manager is looking into this issue as a matter of top priority.

    In response to reports that we have deleted posts from our Facebook page, please note that we will only delete posts that breach our Facebook House Rules for things such as indecent or offensive language. We welcome and encourage open and honest communication on our Facebook page so we can respond to your feedback and identify where we can improve to ultimately provide a better customer experience.

    Please bear with us while we do everything we can to remedy this situation and provide the affected customers with a more positive experience with Europcar.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.
    Europcar Australia

    • +1

      Hope this can be sorted, not the best look currently.

      • +36

        In response to reports that we have deleted posts from our Facebook page, please note that we will only delete posts that breach our Facebook House Rules for things such as indecent or offensive language.

        lying on OzB is looked down upon very poorly. you might get away with pulling that kind of crap on facebook or your own advertising but it certainly wont fly here.

        for the first day you continued to remove negative posts from facebook and ban the users posting any support for the OP and only stopped at the end of business hours and by the next day you could not deal with the torrent of support for OP

    • +15

      It's one thing to remove a post , but to block people from your page is beyond cowardly , as nosdan posted you've been caught fibbing on this point already, if you've had time to post here surely you've read your own page too? Where is the consistencies in your policies?

    • +16

      Its a quick fix really. REFUND HER MONEY!

      No investigation required, no customer relations BS.

    • +9

      What a blatant lie. I'd like to see how our posts on your FB page could be considered as containing indecent or offensive language.

    • +10

      We want to assure you we take all customer feedback very seriously

      Really? So serious that posts are magically deleted from facebook/twitter with users banned? Sounds like a joke to me.

      Our Customer Relations Manager is looking into this issue as a matter of top priority.

      Yeah let's hope this manager doesn't take 9 months to get back to the OP

      In response to reports that we have deleted posts from our Facebook page, please note that we will only delete posts that breach our Facebook House Rules for things such as indecent or offensive language

      Only deleting posts for offensive language eh? Complete and utter garbage. You people only want to keep comments that make yourselves look good. Too bad you don't have any control of comments posted on here or other websites apart from your own.

      We welcome and encourage open and honest communication on our Facebook page

      So by deleting posts from others who support the OP, you're essentially telling us that we weren't being open and honest? Pathetic.

      Europcar, deep down inside, whether you people want to admit it or not, this is WRONG - and you know it. The fact that you think you can con people with scare tactics and rip them off thousands of dollars for something they didn't do, is nothing short of abhorrent. We are not supporting the OP simply because they are a member of Ozbargain, this has nothing to do with that - if you read other topics on here, we have a disdain for individuals/companies with dodgy practices - we all believe people should be treated fairly, and this definitely wasn't the case.

      I suggest you return the money that rightfully belongs to the owner (and I'm not talking about the owner of your company that condones this rubbish behaviour). Returning the money would be the very least you should do - they have a baby to look after, they have different priorities in life, the last thing they need to worry about is a money-hungry car rental company that makes up false accusations, demands money and threatens with debt collectors.

      I don't even know why you're bothering with a Customer Relations Manager on this, as it isn't a complicated case at all. Let's not beat around the bush here, because that will only stir up more trouble for your public image the longer you let it brew.
      And make it snappy - we want to hear of a good outcome in the coming days, I for one, won't let this case rest until it is resolved FAIRLY. You have my word Europcar.

    • +6

      EuropcarAU
      Member since :13 Sept 14
      Stat : 1 comment

      This is the power of OzBargain! I might have shed a tear or two to see so many kindhearted people out there who genuinely want to help OP

    • +6

      Dear Europcar rep, even though I'm currently in Hangzhou China, as an OZbargainer, I feel obliged to log onto my VPN (obtained from VPN.sh Ozbargain deal) and post on your Facebook wall. I'm in full support of OP as I've heard far too much about the dangers of being exploited when renting a car with companies like yours. I can imagine so many first time renters suffering by choosing not to pay the hefty insurance premiums you charge. You should address the problem as soon as possible and I'm sure OP will be nice enough to share the positive outcome with us when its completed.

    • +7

      Dear Europcar,

      please note that as someone who goes to court on a daily basis for clients you are well advised to refund the money, let this one guy, apologise, and hopefully amend your rather woeful practices.
      Many people had experiences similar to the one described (including my friends) and while I acknowledge that this could happen once, the great amount of cases suggest a structured approach.

      If this ends up in a tribunal or court you are bound to lose. Refund now and apologise, and save some of your reputation.

    • +3

      When i read what happened to him i could not believe Eurocar could be so disgusting?
      If i need to Hire a car,Eurocar will be last place i go. Hearing all these bad messages and posts. How can we trust Eurocar? This is the power of the internet. One bad topic can go viral and have a chain reaction.
      I would like to see this issue resolved fast, and hear back from the original poster. To bring back some faith in Eurocar. Simply i think that's all it take.
      Surely he has more on eurocar then he knows. It is highly illegal to charge someones card with false claims.I bet he could take Eurocar to court and teach a very big lesson,and sue for a very large amount and win, teaching company's like you. You cant do things like this these days.

    • Dear Europcar Australia,

      I, like the rest of anyone who has read this thread, will never rent a car through your company.
      However, I doubt a true oz bargainer would have anyway in the first place as YOUR CARS ARE OVERPRICED.

      Regards
      -Bargdebarg.

  • +3

    me 2 commented on facebook…YOu should probably be even suing them for damages regarding this and asking them to pay up more for the stress caused

  • +5

    Does this sound familiar ?

    Court slams hire car rip-off

  • +5

    Europecar, you are gone… The entire ozbargain is against you..

    • +1

      just read the numerous online posts about this car rental scammer… never booking with these fellows again…

  • +10

    @Europcar: I can't believe you have the guts to post here and accuse us of using indecent or offensive language in our posts on your FB page which you "promptly" removed. (Unless you consider all negative comments to "offend" your.) Everyone can see for themselves that we express our views in a very civilize way and do not tolerate abusive language.

  • +4

    Fair Trading, ACCA and Current Affairs are all tagged on their facebook page.

    They have no place to run.

  • +4

    WTH. Does that mean next time people hire a car, they all need to have it checked over with a black light first, and then after it is returned, so Europcar don't slab people with a bill a week after?

    If it is invisible, then anyone who hires it until they check could be charged for it. That's ridiculous. Anything could have happened after the second it was returned. If they ticked it off as okay, then they don't have a right to make someone else responsible. They can't make a customer pay for damages the car obtained the next day when it hailed.

    In addition, car companies surely have comprehensive insurance on all their vehicles. The excess also wouldn't be so high. How dodgy.

  • +5

    there's many many reports on people getting frauded by this company

  • +2

    Good luck with the fight dezaman. I left a comment linking this post on their FB page for you.

    • A rep has already posted a comment a few comments up so they already know of this thread.

  • +2

    I think letting the motoring orgs (RACx/NRMA) know could also help?

  • if its an overseas rental i would always use a credit card that covers rental excess and cancel the card upon my return home and get it reissued with a different card number so they cant try to scam you or charge your card

  • +5

    I sure hope it is not going take them a week to realise the "invisible damage" to their reputation.

  • +3

    I just noticed that the photo on Europcar's FB page under the one that we've been commenting on promotes a double velocity points offer. (https://m.facebook.com/EuropcarAU/photos/a.212068822208017.5…)

    I suggest that we also write to Velocity (& any other FF program of which Europcar is partner) about Europcar's doggy practice so that hopefully innocent consumers don't become their next victim because of the FF points on offer.

  • If the so called hail damage was "invisible" then how do you know it was not already there when you rented the car?
    Go the tribunal on this one.

    Europcar does not have a good reputation when you read around.

    ALWAYS photograph your rental car on pickup and return.

  • just read some of the comments.

    wow, what a s**t storm

  • +1

    No one messes with Ozbargain member. How about we email their CEO?

    Chief Executive Officer:
    Mr Roland Keppler
    Phone number: +33 1 30 44 94 44
    E-mail: [email protected]

    I suggest someone write a well thought out and polite email and ask him to assist

    • +3

      From what I've read in the last couple of days, it sounds like it's a systematic issue that happens at many (of not all) of their franchises/operation around the world. If it's something that's part of the corporate culture, then I doubt the CEO will do anything about it (on a systematic basis, rather than just compensating the OP).

  • Don't get scared when people play the court card, and learn how to be more assertive and tell people to get (profanity). Maybe you hate confrontation? Maybe you need to get a dog and pay for it to be professionally trained as a guard dog, watch debt collectors piss their pants and walk like Jimmy from South Park when they roll up to your house. Then watch it on video again and laugh because your newly installed security cam at your front door captured it ;)

    Also I'd be salivating at my future earnings if such a company threatened me to pay. It'd be like winning the lottery for me…

    I don't mean to offend you I just get real annoyed when I see people act coward when they're bullied or accept answers at face value like what you got from your travel insurance company.

    Court isn't that bad. it's a joke. Regardless of the UCPR Act or other of it's kind, avoiding summons is easy, if they finally get you, drawing out proceedings is easy and enforced orders are a joke. This is coming from a guy that'll be admitted to the bar in a year.

    In the meantime work on being assertive and you'll get the outcome you want, don't let people walk all over you and your family. You also need to seek legal advice NOW. If you need advice on where to go in your respective state just ask. Get your money back!

  • Is there anyway you could take this up with higher ups in Europcar itself? Perhaps with a customer relations team or a head or state office if they have one? They might be able to resolve your issue before taking this to the next level.

    • +13

      I find out tomorrow, Their "Customer Relationships Manager" will contact me, Going to be interesting, The ultimate hard facts that people above have explained is A) I've already lost the money, so there's no reason not to fight back in order to win it back, and B) F**K them, it is the most unethical thing I've seen in my life, My Fiance is generally a very relaxed kind hearted type of person but I've never seen her so upset, I finally calmed her down after the ordeal when i made the charge back, ensuring her everything will be alright, but them fighting back for no reason because their a completely unreasonable unethical greedy company has irked her so much, She's so upset over it now she's egging me on to hire a no win no pay lawyer for big boy court to take them for mental suffering and the cause of a week long baby blue and loss of productivity to my boss (billing at $160 an hour and my eventual resignation). she as well as me thankyou all very deeply from the bottom of our heart for everything you have done. I was expecting something like a settlement but to see this company get what they deserve almost makes up for the god awful two months We've had.

      • I hope you don't get let down by them. Easy enough to promise a phone call but then avoid calling and getting your hopes up and give some lame excuse later.

        • +1

          I hope you don't get let down by them. Easy enough to promise a phone call but then avoid calling and getting your hopes up and give some lame excuse later.

          europecar think they are having a hard time now? let them see what happens if they miss that fone call…….

          i for one will be going on the war path ;)

        • +1

          Don't worry, the OP won't be let down by them. We'll make sure of that lol

          Plus, the more they stuff around, the more bad it is for them, it's only going to go more viral.

  • +2

    Clearly the lesson here is to photograph the shit out of any rental car before you drive off in it, and during the car inspection when returned. Also a good idea to take additional photos of any other existing damage the second you see during the course of the rental, no matter how minor. If you have photographic proof it is no longer just your word against theirs.

    • +1

      IMO, i do not agree with you, soon you return the car and they need to check everything thoroughly, once they said "OK, ALL GOOD" and you leave the building, it is not your responsibility anymore, it can be storm, or big hail or someone throw the rock at the car any seconds or maybe the manager itself kick the car and blame you, that is why, i suggest bring this to the court and europcar will suffer by name and money.

      7 days after returned, anyone can drive that car, even the CEO can drive the car and blamed the customer. it is vice versa, when you first pick up the car, you need to inspect the car carefully because you cant blamed last week customer.

      • +1

        How does that disagree with kapone's post??

        • no need to take any photograph

    • I always do this (incidentally after hearing about what europcar was doing in tasmania) before and after any rental. drives the mrs a bit nuts, but it's worth the 3 minutes.

      I always let the rental company know i'm doing this if i can. Makes them less likely to try anything.

      Although next time i'll have to try extra hard to photograph all the "invisible" damage….

  • +1

    Im sorry to hear your missery
    Wy dont you contact Dept of Fair Trading and ask them for advice, there usually very helpful.
    I remember being charged an extra $25 by a car rental company after I returned it by about a month despite everything being fine. Unfortunately I ws too busy si I didn;t follow it up with them…. I regret that now.

  • +1

    Good Luck Op. i have liked your FB post and left another comment on the same page. Hope you get your money back; if not then I am never renting a car again from Europcar

  • I would first double check your insurance coverage. I would put in an official claim in ASAP due to claim periods etc..

    Also i think ACE insurance have close ties with Europcar, more than the regular relationship between an insurer and the hire car company.

  • +1

    Hope all goes well with you OP for tomorrow phone call.
    I've liked and commented to support you in the fb comment.
    Another showtime of the power of Ozbargain, after the incident of Ozbargainer stuck in Shanghai airport burger king.

  • This needs to be shown on television to warn others, regardless of the outcome…
    A Current Affair and/or Today Tonight would surely love a story like this (even Four Corners might be interested)

    Also make sure all the newspapers and the radio stations know about it - Australia needs to be educated !!!

  • +6

    I am absolutely supportive of the OP… but can I just suggest to everyone else here not to get too "cocky" in the post to Europcar's FB page? I kinda cringed when I saw a reference to OzB and something about "collective POWER"… almost "Anonymous" style. I'd like to think that most of us are rational and "moderate" and not extreme. Let's all take a breath, ok? :) Thanks guys!

    • +1

      Totally agree. We wanna show them what they do is wrong (and warn others about them) but we don't wanna be seen as "threatening" them.

  • Here is a reason I will be doing my car rental in NZ with a pre-paid credit card.

    • Do you have a premium card with rental cover? that's the best way. Park the car in the ditch outside the airport on return.

      They will still come at you, regardless of the payment method. They have all your details. They simply hand the debt off to a "friendly" recovery agency.

  • +2

    regardless of the outcome, please please please make an ACCC complaint. they have looked at this closely before with europcar.

    If they've been up to their old tricks again, and the ACCC can prove it, the fines could be huge as it's a repeating problem that they've already taken a beating over.

  • +35

    Hi Everyone, once again me and my finance thankyou for all the help you have given us over the past week, Your advice has been perfect and your help has been infinite. Europcar's customer relationship management rang me, telling me they've had the team working overtime over the weekend to rectify the issue, After realizing the breakdown in some of their procedures that led to our stress they are fully refunding the money. An important point for me that I will gladly acknowledge as a failure on my end is that I didn't communicate on my side after my babies birth, I was lacking time sure enough but the CRM tells me that he would have rectified the situation more efficiently if I just called them (and as my fiancée told me yelled at them for our bad situation), this way could have made the past two months a lot easier but I didn't know how effective it would have been (the CRM says even if it failed, I could have still done what I did on here, but contact should always be first). Also I'm an idiot who requested photo's and evidence from a no reply email 9 months ago (Don't ask…).

    The CRM was very kind and informative, telling me they do have people stationed at the mechanics making sure they don't overcharge, and no other drivers have been billed for this car, his saying that even charging two people for a $100 windscreen to a $4000 crash would bring in repercussions that are infinitely worse then the money they could earn.

    So as with everything, I've learnt that having support from people, especially ozbargainers ;) is unbelievably effective on any company and can relieve stress better then a hundred valium, but it should be a last resort that I should have taken AFTER talking to the company. I Don't believe I will ever hire a rental car in the near on future but considering how cheap Europcar is, if you have travel insurance their sort of alrite if you want to drive an asx, I urge anyone who has been wronged in this thread to call them to see if they can fix your problems and get your hard earned cash back.

    • +15

      Europcar's customer relationship management rang me, telling me they've had the team working overtime over the weekend to rectify the issue

      I Lol'ed. Working overtime to fix such a simple issue?

      Nevertheless, it's a great outcome and good on Europcar for sorting out the issue promptly.
      Now that you've got your 3.7k back, you still have time to catch the 15% off ebay sales lol

      Oh, and Dezaman, you owe us a round of beers now :P

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