Red p plate son got booked double demerits and needs to pay his fine. It is due tomorrow and of course he is with the $ to pay. What will happen if it goes unpaid? I could pay it for him but wonder what is the process. Mind you he has lost many more points than what he has on his license so we know he will be without a license for at least 6 mths. Will that term already started as it was June or will it only start after he pays the fine. He does not have any cars registered in his name so they can not take his rego. thanks for any advice. we are in NSW
My son got a speeding fine and has not paid it YET what is the process?
hsk on 11/08/2013 - 12:26
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You're assuming a kid on red Ps who's lost more than 4 demerits is responsible. Kettle.
The "omg plz help me get out of my fully sik traffic fine" topic has been done to death on every forum - OCAU, Whirlpool just to name a few.
Go spend 10 minutes reading those threads, all the info is there. Not being assed to do even that instead getting dad to ask on some random unrelated website, hence my comment about not taking responsibility.
Oh and dad the role model with the - can we get away with not paying the fine coz "they can not take his rego".
Meanwhile tax dollars pay for their debt collection and court costs. Ever increasing insurance and CTP subsidize the damage they do on the roads.
Next week he'll be back with - we don't really have to pay the fine since kiddo didn't have a license at the time. Do we?
Why do you both assume his dad is OP? Unless I'm mistaken hsk could be his mum. I haven't checked the other posts hsk has made on Ozbargain.com that could give away their gender. Have you guys?
I didn't think establishing the parent's gender was important enough to do a background check. Is it?
I crashed my car a few years back when I was 19, parents paid the fine ($350 fine + $1750 excess) and I paid them back asap. Ever since that incident I now take extra care with the car when driving in wet weather. Not trying to help me get out of paying for my mistake was probably the best lesson I ever learnt with driving.
He needs to cop the fine one way or the other.
People here sure are quick to judge aren't they? why not offer help instead of judgement?
help on what? evade responsibility?
Off topic:Since he has lost more points than what he had, honestly I think he should stop driving for a while.
Yep. Just because you are old enough to drive doesn't mean you are mature enough to handle the responsibility.
I'm in Qld so not sure about the process in NSW, but at the very least he will need to contact them and find out if there is a payment option etc. Make him do this himself to take the responsibility for his actions. Hopefully this will be the catalyst to make him change his driving behaviour and make him understand the value of having a drivers licence. Good luck.
Hopefully as a parent you'll ensure he learns a valuable lesson from this.
he gets sent another reminder (i think 21 days)
after that, it becomes an enforcement order and he needs to pay the fine + $50
then enforcement action
If you do not pay or finalise your penalty notice by the due date, we will send you a penalty reminder notice giving you a further 28 days to pay or finalise the fine.
As for cancellation. That will commence when the RMS gets organized.
Get him to sort it, he needs to take responsibility. Make him call the SDRO
I recommend looking into the Traffic Offenders Intervention Program. Won't reduce the fine but the court may look upon favourably in regards to duration of license suspension. Also a good course to open up your sons eyes to his actions and the responsibility he has on the road.
Teach him how to drive properly; why would you pay his fine for him. It's stupidity. Your sending the wrong message and encouraging the behavior. Complete immaturity.
Not only has he previously lost points, he lost them now double demerits, and now leaves it to the last day for the parents to pay his fine…
Does he really need to kill someone for your to get the point it's time to put your foot down, and not 'pedal to the metal'. What your encouraging is these hoons on the road, that you may see everyday and call d!$^heads.
Common sense. Step up to the plate and let him fend for himself. Your allowing him to drive a motor vehicle yet he waits last day to let his parents pay his speeding fine. Pathetic.
You have 5 negatives for a reason.
First of all; what are you on about. Read the OP.
It is due tomorrow and of course he is with the $ to pay.
To me this is a spelling mistake, but common sense tells me, if he has left it to the last day and the sentance sure does sound like they ment "of course he is withOUT the money.
So yes, parents are paying. Another common sense(yes, it's good to have common sense) is the OP is making a public topic in a forum about what happens if he does NOT pay the fine.
If he had the money, he would pay the fine and the parents would not be on here trying to find answered if the fine is not paid. Again, common sense.
I could pay it for him but wonder what is the process.
Did you not see that bit or…?
Letting his son fend for himself will not help his son. The son does not have the money. The op did not say the son waited til the last day to let his parents pay his speeding fine
Have you read anything the OP has stated? It is due tomorrow and of course he is with the $ to pay.
This suggests that every person who has lost points has nearly killed someone. By paying a fine the op is not encouraging anything. His words and actions will have more impact.
Wait wait. Let me get this straight. Red P plate driver, parents admitting "he has lost many points before, so we know its a 6 month loss of license", he is speeding in DOUBLE DEMERITS, usually because a lot of families are on the road at that time due to Holidays but yeah sure.
You are contradicting every point you just made.
Summary: Your trying to defend someone that has previously lost points, and now. Loosing double his points, as well as being his FIRST year of driving by himself, and now cannot pay the fines that he has caused himself.
When the OP was told and when the fine is due are two different things.
The son does not have the money to pay. No confusion here.
The OP post indicates he was after a response like Madmouse 58 above when asking about processes.I still don't see why you were arguing your point, and now returning to the question. Total waste of time. Trolling most will say.
You accuse me of not reading but I have read and understood everything you and the OP have said. You have missed much of it. Reread my comments and and the OP perhaps
Your -7, im +6. You do the math
That's ok, I still like to share my opinion even when it's not popular.
@Grasstown, r u the OP's son?
Wicket1120, Scotty has served it up to Moots for me.
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/113028#comment-1539810Moots useless contributions of assumptions and revisions of the OP, going off on tangents completely irrelevant to the OP, I called it gibberish. too harsh a word.
Many posters on this thread I agree with so all is good.
*you are
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No Moots, you are pathetic
The OP has asked a question. Instead of bagging him out endlessly, why not offer some helpful advice for a change?
Your approach
OP: My son has a speeding fine. It is the last day to pay. What is the process?
You: He shouldn't be allowed on the road. He's stupid. You're pathetic. Learn some parenting. Why are you even on this website, GTFO.Better approach
OP: My son has a speeding fine. It is the last day to pay. What is the process?
You: He will receive another reminder in 21 days. While his license is suspended he should not drive. He should probably re-learn his road rules and ensure he becomes a better driver in the future.If you actually read the OP. He/she is actually asking whether they can get away with ignoring the fine since "they can not take his rego" (whatever that means).
So no I don't think it's a good approach to offer helpful advice on how to circumvent the law and be an irresponsible person in general.
The OP did not "actually" ask whether they can ignore the fine. Nothing of the sort. Moots also seems to have made this up too that the OP created a post to ask what happens if he does not pay the fine (http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/113028#comment-1539218)
Here is what the OP said explained
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/113028#comment-1540782 (sraymond)
I'm from Melbourne and the other day I saw on the news, the sheriff was locking up car tyres at the MCG car park because people didn't pay their fines. Lots of surprised people after the football game.
Good to see. I'm sick of hearing about ever increasing state debts for fines which can't be recovered fast enough. Time to start mass confiscation of vehicles and fire sell them to pay the fines.
Beat him with a stick.
You are truly master noob masternoob.
clearly the reliance on parents is a genetic trait….
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/112797#comment-1537096
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/111027#comment-1524717There's also an assumption this is a dad…. which might not be true….
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/106012#comment-1433369
Good investigation, Here's my take on the twist, it's the mum trying to mop up the dads fines! The P plate was just a distraction…
People are assuming he has been booked more than once. From how I read it "Mind you he has lost many more points than what he has on his license" the OP is just stating that he was booked in a double demerit period and probably copped six or eight points, which is much more than a red P plater starts with.
Great point.
Edit: should have read the thread, 1 post below :/
Any speeding ticket at all whilst on your red Ps in NSW will result in a loss of licence (unless you go to the court and succesfully get out of it). You get 3 points and all offences start at 4 points (including 1-10kph over the limit).
(Whether or not it's double demerits). So he's losing a minimum of 8 points which will be a hefty suspension (and rightly so).
I'm not so sure about that being rightly so. 8 points for potentially speeding as little as 1 kmph just because it happens to be a holiday seems a little harsh…
You're right and I do tend to agree, but it's pretty stupid getting booked for speeding on double demerit weekends.
I know someone who got done on their reds doing 88 in an 80 zone - empty Lane Cove Tunnel on a Sunday morning, a lapse of judgement. She successfully got the suspension reduced to about 4 days (until the end of the weekend). It's possible to do (and not prohibitively expensive), but Judges will profile you based on your background (ie. young men will find it more difficult).
Well the OP is from Sydney and if I read it right anyone caught speeding on P1 gets a minimum of 4 points and hence an automatic suspension of 3 months.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/usingroads/penalties/demeritpoints…
I imagine that would be 8 points on a double demerit.
I think people that speed for any reason are pork chops. But before everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon who here has never sped or broken the law in some way when driving?
But to the OP this is unlikely to be the first time he has been speeding, it's just the time he was caught. No matter what he tells you.
And he's lucky all he's going to loose is his licence, rather than his and/or someone else's life.
Get him off the road, get the fine paid and get him into something like the Traffic Offenders program.
its too easy to think you are invulnerable when driving. No matter how old you are!
OP does NSW have the equivalent of SPER which operates in Qld? If so, tell him to contact them BEFORE the fine becomes overdue and arrange to pay the fine off.
I could pay it for him but wonder what is the process.
If you let him wear the consequences of his actions, including any potential penalty for late payment it may in the long run be the difference between whether he lives long enough to give you grandchildren or not. He gains and learns nothing by you paying it for him.
If you are going to pay the fine today - make sure its done before 3:30pm - as its the cut off time.
People got caught speeding for various reasons. I was caught once quite a few years ago on Pacific Highway where the speed was reduced from 100 to 60 when approaching a town. By the time I realised the speed limit change it was too late. Entirely my fault, although that doesn't mean I was trying to do a "formula 1".
And in some sense I can sympathise with hsk for coping all these "blaming the OP" comments — he is coming here asking for suggestion on paying speeding fine, not parenting lessons. I assume hsk and his son already know the consequence (need to pay fine, suspension of license for 6 months, etc).
Anyway. SDRO lets you pay online, with credit card too.
RTA also has all these covered. FAQ page for demerit points:
What happens if I don’t pay my penalty notice fine?
If you do not pay your penalty notice fine by the due date, the SDRO will issue an enforcement order…License can also be suspended if you don't pay the fine. Well, I guess his license has already been suspended due to demerit points.
My licence has been suspended. When can I start driving again?
If your licence is still current, you can start driving as soon as your suspension period ends. This date will be shown on your Notice of Suspension.Your son should have received the Notice of Suspension with expiry date on it.
I am gonna go grab some popcorn ozbargain just got interesting :P
Some coke with it would be nice :)
in victoria you can call civic compliance and go on a payment plan for say $30 or $50 a month. Thats how i pay all my fines.
In vic you can also get extension on paying fines if you call them within due date. You can get 3 28 days extensions without even talking to them by simply entering infringement number in automated fine extension helpline. After that you get 3 to 4 notices where fines are increased. Then comes the final warning.
whats the authority that deals with traffic infringements in nsw. Just find out and give them a call maybe they'll be able to put it on a monthly payment plan.
Licence is not suspended that easy they give you fair time and warnings to pay up.
I've had to use extensions too, when I was hit with 3 fines at the same spot over 3 consecutive days… was moving house and using unfamiliar roads - I should have been more aware of speed sign changes!!
Ouch. That's some serious fines you racked up for a single stretch of road.
$528 that could have been put to better use.
should have been familar after the first fine. :}
How many fines have you had?!?
thanks to some of you, to the others I guess parenting is just like this, maybe if I had know my son was going to grow up to make mistakes in this perfect world then maybe I should have chosen not to have children.
we need an update please? Are you paying the fine? Did he get arrested? we need goss!
It is your role to teach and provide guidance to your children.
However, they also need space to learn responsibility for the actions. Your son is a young adult and has moved into an age where he needs to be careful on how he acts and also if he makes mistakes to learn how face and deal with the repercussions and or consequences..
You indicated that you could choose to pay the fine. I personally think you should tell your son that it is his responsibility to deal and step away completely and let your son handle it.
If your son does not have enough money to pay the fine, then he probably should not be driving let alone speeding as there are also other expenses such as petrol and paying insurance excess or repairs..
Sure your son made some mistakes, that is not your fault. We are not saying that it is a perfect world..However, fixing your son's mistakes for him would be a worse mistake. In regards to what happens next, that should be for your son to investigate as it is his license on the chopping block. He is the one that needs to be proactive about finding out such information.
hsk, i think the point most people are trying to make is (as said by Aneurism):
However, fixing your son's mistakes for him would be a worse mistake. In regards to what happens next, that should be for your son to investigate as it is his license on the chopping block. He is the one that needs to be proactive about finding out such information.
why i got negged i didnt suggest anything illegal. i wasnt suggesting how to dodge fines. I was only giving an outline of whats gonna happen.
god knows i pay all my fines but sometimes its more manageable and less stressful paying in installments.
Not much we can do really, just pay the fine, lost your license if you've lost the demerit points and you will learn your lesson. I've gotten a fine before and I know that I'm much more careful now because it was a heap of money.
At the end of the day, not everyone who speeds is trying to do a Formula 1. Just because someone does a 70 in a 60 zone or forgets they are in a school zone doesn't mean that they're an irresponsible or hoon driver, most of the time, they're just people like us who have made a mistake. Everyone on the road has surely done a 70 in a 60 zone before, but most are lucky and just get away.
Anyway, I don't understand the question the OP is trying to pose, if you don't pay the fine, you'll get a late payment infringement notice or something like that, I don't even remember what it's called, but essentially it's a reminder and eventually it will get to court.
I'm not going to make judgements on your son's behaviour, but essentially that is the process.
You should feel lucky that your son lose his license. Otherwise, he might not supposed to see the sunset tomorrow, seriously
Don't be dramatic.
I needed bable fish to translate that last sentence.
Hmm this is probably covered by the above, but the short answers (without the bias) are:
- Red p plate son got booked double demerits and needs to pay his fine. It is due tomorrow and of course he is with the $ to pay. What will happen if it goes unpaid? I could pay it for him but wonder what is the process.
You can apply for an immediate extension by calling them. He should do this if he doesn't want to score an admin fee. However mind that as your son has had knowledge of this fine for around 2 months, he'd better have a really good basis for not being able to afford the fine yet if they ask. The alternatives are that you pay for your son's fine, or to ignore it and the fine will be issued with an additional admin charge/late penalty fine.
- Mind you he has lost many more points than what he has on his license so we know he will be without a license for at least 6 mths. Will that term already started as it was June or will it only start after he pays the fine.
It depends on the issuing officer and what he was fined for doing. Certain offences attract immediate suspensions of licences, whilst others wait until the points are processed off the licence. The officer "should" have informed your son as to what exactly was happening with his licence, but if you are ever unsure call the RTA and enquire about the status of his licence.
- He does not have any cars registered in his name so they can not take his rego.
This is not relevant. You can actually register a car without possessing a licence, only some form of photo ID is required. Losing your licence does not affect the registration.
Regarding car rego. The OP was talking about what could happen if her son didn't pay the fine. That being, the RMS will cancel your rego if there is outstanding money owed.
I'm not sure about that one. Perhaps they wouldn't allow you to renew your rego under extreme circumstances, but as I pointed out above, you don't need a licence to get your registration, and you also pay your speeding fines and rego fees to two completely different bodies (the Office of State Revenue and RTA respectively) so it's an unlikely scenario either way.
as far as i know suspension period only starts once you pay the fine.
Get him to drive down there and ask.
Classic
Is he on a centrelink benefit? If he is he might want to look into a work development order. You can do volunteer work or counselling etc and pay off a state debt recovery debt at about $250 a day. http://www.sdro.nsw.gov.au/fines/eo/wdo.php
Ok, I read half this thread and I've seen that people have rarely addressed the issue. Here is my first hand account of what happened to me when I went through this on my red's (I'm on my fulls now).
I got 2 speeding tickets (from a speed camera within the same month) and I waited until the absolute last moment to pay them (originally I was going to have a parent sign a declaration saying it was them so I wouldn't lose my license; but they paid the fine for me not knowing I would face a license suspension shucks)
What will happen if it goes unpaid?
They will send you a letter from the State Recovery Office trying to claim the unpaid fine, you can let this slide till they send you a court notice. This is when you pay as waiting till this time will buy your son a few more weeks driving.
I could pay it for him but wonder what is the process.
If it was a speed camera like I got done with, you will just need to sign a declartion on the back of the fine notice. If he got pulled over, tough luck.
Mind you he has lost many more points than what he has on his license so we know he will be without a license for at least 6 mths.
I thought it was 3 months? Because on your Green/Red Ps you will lose 4 demerits for any speeding offence (you have 4 points on red's, resulting in a 3 months suspension). If it was only one offence, he should only face a 3 month suspension, I don't think losing say 8 points will double his suspension term.
Will that term already started as it was June or will it only start after he pays the fine.
After, should receive a Notice of Suspension a few weeks after you pay.
He does not have any cars registered in his name so they can not take his rego.
I don't think they do this?
Ok, I read half this thread and I've seen that people have rarely addressed the issue
This is because some people read between the lines and see an issue jump out at them..
The real issue is that the parent is considering to take responsibility for their kid's actions..The OP's question about what happens if the fine is unpaid should be his son's responsibility to deal with as he is either at adulthood or very close to it.
originally I was going to have a parent sign a declaration saying it was them
so I wouldn't lose my license; but they paid the fine for me not knowing I would face a license suspension shucks)- In your case, signing a stat dec with a false declaration is illegal. (effectively fixing a wrong with another wrong)..
- This is just another example of trying to pass the buck to the parent. Hopefully you paid them back.
This is because some people read between the lines and see an issue jump out at them..
The real issue is that the parent is considering to take responsibility for their kid's actions..Now I'm not a parent yet, but isn't this something parents instinctively do? I don't think OP taking responsibility for his/her son's action merits a lecture from others on how he should raise his child nor should it define his/her skill as a parent based on it.
In your case, signing a stat dec with a false declaration is illegal. (effectively fixing a wrong with another wrong)..
Happens more often than you think unfortunately.
I will probably never need to do it ever, since I've been so much more cautious since that first license suspension. The amount of things I've seen on the road since then makes 18 year old self look so naive.
This is just another example of trying to pass the buck to the parent. Hopefully you paid them back.
Actually I never asked them to pay the fine for me, they decided to be nice and pay it off for me since they're practically swimming in it and saw I was struggling being a student and all. I think nothing of it now, as they borrow a few dollars from me here and there, and I do the same.
For immediate suspension, you are suspended for 6 months from date of instant suspension, when you go to get your licence, you will be able to drive for 1 month, after which you will be given another notice of suspension.
If the suspension was not instant, then you can still pay until you receive a notice of suspension, which follows the payment of a fine.
Please read the BACK of the notice of fine for the process if you are unable to pay by the due dates, including interest and fees that WILL apply if the fine is unpaid without first consulting the issuer.
My Son lost his licence early this year, driving my car. Generally a decent driver, just a bit over the speed limit. You probably should pay the fine, otherwise it will haunt him for a long time. My Son bought his first car a month ago and we had heaps of trouble finding a third party insurance for him. The combination of age and loss of licence is not a match made in heaven.
As for loss of licence my son got a letter from the RTA, stating the license is suspended from then to then. The suspension time got added on to the red P.
The good thing, no one got injured and he seems to have learnt a lesson
I think your son should deal with his problems himself, it might teach him to take responsibility for his actions.
He also needs to learn to drive properly before he ends up killing someone's mum, dad or kids. I don't think his parents could fix that mess, but you may be able to find an expensive lawyer to cut down the prison sentence.
I am sure it has been mentioned, but maybe not. But after the fine is paid, the suspension doesn't start until the RTA decides. You can't pick when either, he might get the letter 2 days or 2 months after paying.
Also he won't be able to upgrade to green Ps until after the suspension is finished.
And the suspension will be 3months for being on Ps, 3 months for losing all points, plus whatever extra the offensive gives, 30over is 3 months, 45over is 6months more.
Wow - more overwhelming +ve & -ve comment votes i've seen in a single thread for a while.
I was driving once, minding my own business, when the car in front of me suddenly slowed right down & i thought wtf? So i went around them. Later, after i received my fine, i asked for the photo - it showed me passing the car, but also crossing a double white line - they could have hit me twice.
It remains one of my favourite photos of that particular car.
Soon enough, with a bit of experience, you learn to chill & take it easy on the road. For me it took 2x speeding fines (the first hadn't arrived when i'd clocked the second) & a fine for parking in a clearway. These all arrived within a period of about 3 weeks.
I'm a cool cat now … which is of course better for me & everyone else.
Was the car in front of you a troll cop or something…?
While i didn't spell it out, the car in front obviously recognised the speed camera or cop car parked on the side of the road, and took precautions.
My favourite is when the cop cars lean their spare tyre up against a wheel as a foil. Of course that might make me slow down & ask if they need help…
That reminds me of someone i used to know. They got a fine for parking illegally (in a disabled spot or something), thinking they could get away with it. While driving, they decided to read the fine (given in an envelope) - and rear ended the car in front. Still didn't learn his lesson after that, continued speeding/running red lights etc.
I really don't understand the backlash here, it's almost as if anyone commenting has never received a traffic fine before.
It's ridiculous that instead of answering OP's question, everyone goes off on a tangent about how his son will kill someone or how he's a bad parent.
Backlash because people are more concerned about a bad driver + parent cleaning up said bad driver's mess, instead of parent trying to teach bad driver, to our limited knowledge.
Yeah, most people cop a speeding fine now and then. However, most people do not lose their license. Although you probably also don't live in an area where P platers gather around past midnight and drag race down the highway.
Agree with Paul. Kids have different levels of maturity and need parental guidance to navigate their young adulthood. I'm sure OP is a good parent trying to make sure kid doesn't get into too much strife
The replies were to negative to read so i am unsure if this was said or not.
If the fine results in a DL suspension, then the suspension will commence on the due date regardless of whether it is paid or not (this is true in every state in oz)
The points are applied regardless of payment status, and if he does drive when his DL is suspended he is looking at a court date.. not just a fine.
The replies were too negative to read so i am unsure if this was said or not.
I think that is what you mean. Also, your information contradicts other comments that suggest the suspension period comes latter and you are informed of the period after the fine due date. I do now know which version is correct.
If he was suspended there and then for speeding then his licence would have been confiscated. If it was a speed camera then he would be requested to hand it in to a police station or RTA.
If he doesn't pay the fine then the state debt recovery will suspend his licence and the cars he owns ( I know that its none) will be cancelled.
If he contacts the State debt recovery office and organises a payment plan that will be a start.Otherwise he's just going to have to wear the suspension which no doubt is coming from the speeding/demerit points or both.
No reply, i can only assume the police have rounded up the entire family and are in jail until the speeding fine is paid. I warned everyone this could happen!
Seriously though, hsk, an outcome?
On the topic of speeding. Yesterday I saw a guy riding a motorbike at 80-90km/h in a 70 zone at night, weaving through a couple of cars. Fair enough if he wants to kill himself, but he had a kid on the back seat.
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I believe every traffic offender should be punished as hard as possible. Letting them go easy is like giving them license to kill.
Just a few days ago on a pedasrian crossing, I had to literally jump back and pull a twin stroller with my two kids in it when some retard ignored the red light and came straight at us.
go to third world country, there are no point rules. bribe police whenever you want. your choice.
OK so here is the outcome, I did not pay for his fine for as well I believe he needs to grow up and take responsibility for himself he has set up a payment plan to pay it off and has lost his license. As he is an apprentice and we live in outer Sydney with no trains and no buses for him to get to work it has meant that he is relying on others to get him to work as well as me.
Great outcome. Hopefully that will help him to become a better drive when he regained his license.
nice. i hope that he will be more careful next time.
i dont think ill hire him if i was the boss, because all tradies need their own ride
if he doesnt learn his lesson this time, god bless you
For starters getting him to deal with his own mess rather than daddy posting on OzBargain. Never know might impart some sense of responsibility rather than trying to do formula 1 on red Ps.