Pretty good price for refurb.
Originally released in Sep '21 so a few more years of OS upgrades. Old Lightning port. Fat notch. Expect battery health to be in the 80-90% range.
The iPhone SE 4 with A18 is launching this week. Rumoured US price is ~$499, so might be a better longer term option than this 4 year-old refurb.
So…. double the price of this?
Sure, for a new device with a new battery and a few years more updates. Not knocking the OP's deal, but people in the market for a phone might wish to know about other options.
Yeah I think the biggest thing is battery. If it is anywhere near 80%, you’ll need to replace it soon. You can add $110 or whatever a battery costs these days to the price if so. iPhones are not very usable when they hit 80%.
@jrowls: Just curious. Why not very usable when hit 80%? Asking because I have been charging my 16 pro to only 80% everyday and it’s enough.
@FatTofu: Oh sorry, I was referring to the battery health, not the charge percentage. If you look in your settings you can search for battery health. Once it dips below 80%, device performance and how long your battery lasts between charges fall off a cliff.
@jrowls: My daughter’s iPhone 13 is at 80% health and regularly turns off under heavy use and won’t turn back on until charged for 3+ hours.
brand new, more powerful A18, longer life cycle, Apple warranty.
And Apple AI. Also refurbished often have non genuine batteries and screens which effect the user experience
are you sure this week?
Nobody knows until Apple launches it, but that's what the rumour mill is saying:
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/09/gurman-new-iphone-se-th…
Apple hardware launches are traditionally on a Tuesday, so if there's no news of a new phone by lunchtime Wednesday, I'd start to become doubtful.
I had horrible experience buying refurbished phones off ebay. YMMV though
The issue is if they have used non genuine parts Apple will refuse to service the phone.
Does it do AI?
Apple Intelligence is available on the following iPhone models:
iPhone 16
iPhone 16 Plus
iPhone 16 Pro
iPhone 16 Pro Max
iPhone 15 Pro
iPhone 15 Pro Max
Apple ‘Intelligence’ is embarrassingly bad. Virtually anything that Apple ‘Intelligence’ can do, free apps can do ten times better on all models of iPhone, not just the newest ones.
More like Apple InTeLigEnce
I run ~12B parameter models on an 3080 and it’s still embarrassingly bad. Apple’s is 3B. The DeepSeek R1 biggest model is 684B.
Parameters aren’t everything, but it gives a sense of the scale here, and how far off being useful it is.
Would you say DeepSeek are the best? I heard AliExpress have released a more powerful chatbot. Do you think people are overreacting selling Nvidia shares because of a chatbot?
Would you say DeepSeek are the best? I heard AliExpress have released a more powerful chatbot.
Measuring the "best" is way beyond me. Each of them claim they're faster at x task than another, but it's pretty easy to game those. I find in real world that ChatGPT is still better but none are them are something I would embed in a task with no human oversight.
Do you think people are overreacting selling Nvidia shares because of a chatbot?
This is not financial advice, but I think Nvidia is way overpriced. It is based on Nvidia growing sales way beyond what they are now and maintaining their foothold so they can keep up 75% margins.
No one is sitting still in this market. The Nvidia sells every AI targeted GPU they make at the moment, there's huge demand and little competition. Because of the insane power requirements, it can be better to replace old GPUs with new ones despite being so expensive. A hint that models can get a lot more efficient is just a dose of reality to it all.
IMO OpenAI is the worst of them, claiming they need hundreds of billions and no one else can do what they do. They've been the fuel to this AI fire, making it seem like it's impossible for anyone outside of big tech to do. We're slowly seeing that isn't true , although the bubble is yet to burst.
Rumours say yes.
Facts say no.
no apple usually puts new features on there top end phones.
great if you are still using lightning cables, else go with USED iphone 15 from market place
Thanks for reminding me.
Just don't get scammed.
Unless you are into that of course….
So great getting a phone without standard Australian frequencies. We've been stuck before getting refurb phones. They never tell you beforehand which country your phone comes from.
Beware of the term of “refurb” = aftermarket components assembled
beware of refurb (parts replaced with non OEM OR OEM non certified by software;
screen replacement so issues with true tone
face unlock
screen auto brightness
possibly front camera non functional
rear camera fault
these are all issues raised and only will be indetified when you have the phone in your hand.
Do they ever replace this with real apple batteries?
I always buy my iphone refurbished and to my knowledge none of them have had genuine apple batteries
Refurbs are a bit of a gamble but I scored the other day - iPhone 12 Pro for $509 after various discount codes from OzMobiles.
I went for a unit in Excellent condition and happy to say it literally looks like a brand new phone, and even the battery was close to 100%.
Also buy from a legit place that has a 30 day risk free returns - so that you can return easily and get your money back if the unit does not meet your expectations.
Anyway, worth considering as I would prefer an older Pro model vs a newer non-Pro model.
![[Refurb] Apple iPhone 13 128GB $458.15 ($447.37 eBay Plus) Delivered @ Australian Computer Traders eBay](https://files.ozbargain.com.au/n/55/892755.jpg?h=5587b5b9)
Fantastic price. Anecdotally, ‘very good’ refurbished condition can be anything from as new to obvious wear and tear when buying an eBay refurb, but pretty hard to go wrong at this price.