Post search - Dan Murphys - vs Dan Murphy's

mshanann on 07/02/2025 - 17:59
Last edited 07/02/2025 - 19:46 by 1 other user

Hi, when searching for deal posts with Dan Murphys, a distinct set of results are returned in comparison to when one searches for Dan Murphy's.

Case in point, I posted a deal this afternoon which was flagged as a duplicate. That is correct, it was a duplicate, however the earlier deal was not appearing in my search results, as I had not used the apostrophe version.

It would be nice to come up with a solution for this - as from a human perspective, Dan Murphys and Dan Murphy's are identical.

Same thing with JB HiFi and JB Hi-Fi

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  • Moderatorneil on 07/02/2025 - 20:14

    Just to recap:

    • If you type start typing dan murphy's in the dropdown, the store will be shown.

    dan dropdown

    • Searching the phrase dan murphys shows you the store.

    dansearch

    • Searching the phrase dan murphy's doesn't show you the store. Will see if we can fix that.

    and…

    Presumably search alerts work on the same principle. Should I be creating a search alert for both dan murphy's and dan murphys?

    You shouldn't be using a search alert for either dan murphy's or dan murphys. You should be subscribing to the store.

    subscribe

    Also the duplicate checker didn't work as the URL was slightly different. Your post had

    https://www.danmurphys.com.au/list/member-offers?i_cid=dskmo…

    whereas the original had

    https://www.danmurphys.com.au/list/member-offers

    So if you had put in the same link you would have received this error detecting a duplicate:

    dupe

    • mshanann on 07/02/2025 - 22:44
      -7

      Re - If you type start typing dan murphy's in the dropdown, the store will be shown.

      Maybe it is shown if you type at 1 character per second :)

      It is not shown when you type at a reasonable speed and type "dan murphys".

      • mshanann on 09/02/2025 - 00:27

        Not sure why all the negative votes. Open developer tools in chrome and type "dan murphys" in the search deal or forum posts - at a reasonable speed using a keyboard rather than a phone

        You will see a POST request to www.ozbargain.com.au/api/rpc with payload like

        {"version":"1.0","method":"search_autocomplete","params":["dan murphys"]}

        and with result

        {"error": null, "result": {}}

        Instead type "dan murphy's" and you get back the response

        {
        "error": null,
        "result": {
        "d": [
        {
        "name": "Dan Murphy's",
        "path": "/deals/danmurphys.com.au",
        "image": "https://files.ozbargain.com.au/d/23/9323s.jpg?h=490d7a63"
        }
        ],
        "n": [
        {
        "name": "Hendrick\u2019s Neptunia Gin 700ml $50 (Membership Required) + Delivery …",
        "path": "/node/891471"
        }
        ]
        }
        }

        If i type slooooowww

        d a n m u r p

        then yes the API request would just be for those first few characters.

  • Protractor on 07/02/2025 - 18:11
    +3

    Dan Murphy ?

    (singular)

    • iDroid on 07/02/2025 - 18:59

      One would hope the "less is more" search principal would work here but alas, no.

      Searching for 'dan murphy' matchs "Murphy's" but not "Murphys".

  • Stewardo on 07/02/2025 - 18:12
    +1

    He did own the shop at one point.

  • onetwothreefour on 07/02/2025 - 18:42
    +2

    Just type "dan" in the search bar to find the correct spelling of the store.

    • MS Paint on 07/02/2025 - 18:44
      +9

      Then you'll also get a million hits where @jv mentioned his hate for Dan Andrews.

  • jv on 07/02/2025 - 18:50
    +2

    as I had not used the apostrophe version.

    It's not a 'version' it is a proper noun and you spelled it wrong…

    • mshanann on 07/02/2025 - 19:37

      I'm not disputing that. The domain name obviously doesn't support an apostrophe - and this site has hundreds of posts with the name Murphys in the title.

      I'm suggesting they employ a few static rules when someone put's in a search term that matches a common name mistake to auto-correct it with the alternative correct version. Something like 'Did you mean Dan Murphy's'.

      The same thing applies to Myer and Myers.com.au

      • onetwothreefour on 07/02/2025 - 21:14

        But as per the above, just type dan and then it will give you a drop down of stores that start with dan, click on the correct one to get all the deals for that store.

      • larndis on 08/02/2025 - 10:13

        umm, what? there's no such store as Myers. Or Aldis, Safeways, JBs, etc. Just because people love to verbally add an s doesn't change the store or domain name.

        • mshanann on 09/02/2025 - 00:15

          can you type the domain name www.myers.com.au in to your browser and see where it takes you. Then try this: site:myer.com.au "myers"

          • larndis on 09/02/2025 - 00:44

            @mshanann: Ok, so what? Is that supposed to be evidence of 'Myers'? It's pretty rubbish, clearly the store is called Myer.

            If people miss deals because they are only searching for Myers, that's on them.

            • mshanann on 09/02/2025 - 01:05

              @larndis: Myer's Emporium - abbreviated to Myers. Most older people still refer to Myer as Myers.

              There is no coincidence they also registered the domain name with the "s" on the end.

              "Just because people love to verbally add an s doesn't change the store or domain name."

              • larndis on 09/02/2025 - 21:30

                @mshanann: OK, I don't see anything about Myer's Emporium but there do seem to be some docs where they have incorrectly used Myers in place of Myer's. And we've established that some people call Myer Myers.

                But what is your point? Are you suggesting that someone should develop and maintain a list of all possible incorrect store names that may be searched for? Are you volunteering for the job?

                • mshanann on 10/02/2025 - 14:37

                  @larndis: Given this forum is called Site Discussion, yes I was questioning what smarts could be introduced to auto-correct common site name mistakes and derivatives. As far as technical difficulty to implement this, it is a 1 out of 100.

                  • larndis on 10/02/2025 - 16:18

                    @mshanann: So you are volunteering to do it then? Or just asserting that it's is so simple someone else should absolutely do it?

            • Protractor on 09/02/2025 - 10:14

              @larndis: that's on them

              Apparently it's not.
              Ever

    • Gareth on 08/02/2025 - 17:09

      and you spelled it wrong…

      I think it have been spelled wrongly. 😉

  • Protractor on 07/02/2025 - 19:10
    +3

    This takes 1st world problem definition, to Olympic Gold Medal standards.

    • MS Paint on 07/02/2025 - 19:23
      +3

      And the OP is Raygun?

      • Protractor on 07/02/2025 - 22:08

        What?
        Rich & famous because>apparent victim, and talent-less?

      • Gunnar on 07/02/2025 - 23:05
        +1

        That's harsh! Raygun's grasp of break dancing is far better than the OP's grasp of proper nouns, and grammar

        • Protractor on 08/02/2025 - 11:41

          That's not break dancing, it's cringe crawling.

    • mshanann on 07/02/2025 - 19:41

      It has nothing to do with 1st world problem. I went to the trouble to post a deal (for the benefit of others) and did what I thought was the necessary search and wasted 10 minutes filling out the 'submit deal form'. Had the original search matched the alternative spelling I wouldn't have bothered.

      Presumably search alerts work on the same principle. Should I be creating a search alert for both dan murphy's and dan murphys?

      • Protractor on 07/02/2025 - 22:13

        Not even a first world problem. You figured it out.Others would too.Nobody died.It's not a fifty times a day issue.

        • Speckled Jim on 08/02/2025 - 08:26

          Day wine deals NOW!

        • mshanann on 09/02/2025 - 00:13

          There is 15 pages of deal results showing Dan Murphys using the incorrect spelling in title. This forum is called site discussion, and I merely provided a suggestion to improve the site search functionality. I wasn't seeking sarcasm from individuals that have nothing better to do with there time on a Friday evening then to fixate on the grammatical mistakes in my way.

  • pegaxs on 07/02/2025 - 22:56

    Dan Murphys = lots of guys standing around in a group, all named “Dan Murphy”
    Dan Murphy’s = Talking about Dan Murphy’s stuff, like, say, his stores, or his selection of beverages.

    So, yeah, I’m with you, we should totally re-write the code of the website just because you can’t grammar correctly.

    • Gunnar on 07/02/2025 - 23:08

      Possessive apostrophes = plural right? Right?

      • pegaxs on 07/02/2025 - 23:13

        Nah, it’s a contraction of “Dan Murphy” and “is” or “has”, I’m not too sure.

    • mshanann on 09/02/2025 - 00:05

      Yes it appears I "can't grammar correctly".

  • Seraphin7 on 08/02/2025 - 12:30

    Should also come up if searching for "uncle dan".

  • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 08/02/2025 - 21:01

    you won't believe this there is a store called

    JimMurphy!!

  • doctordv8 on 09/02/2025 - 09:09

    "…..as from a human perspective, Dan Murphys and Dan Murphy's are identical."

    Quite obviously, they're not.

    We did not invent English Rules, but we do need to follow them.

    • Protractor on 09/02/2025 - 10:12

      Oh the humanity!
      The deal that never was, escapes us.

    • mshanann on 10/02/2025 - 14:40

      @doctordv8 So if you see a deal posted with title that mentions an item at "Dan Murphys" at a record low price, you plan to ignore it, simply as you only follow the grammatical spelling for the store name and from your (human's) perspective, you are unsure what store it is referring?

      • doctordv8 on 11/02/2025 - 13:12

        No, as the correct English Grammar / Wording is not required to understand that deal.

        But for a Name Search as per the OP's question, correct English it is how the system works, basic.

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