School Expects Emails during Business Hours Only

This one is quite baffling to me - our daughter's high school just sent an email to all parents and students, basically instructing everyone that emails should only be sent to staff members during work hours (8.20-4.20pm Monday to Friday). At first, I thought they meant that staff are only expected to respond to emails during work hours which is a fair and reasonable request. But no, they literally say "if you email a staff member, please ensure you schedule send it, so they receive it during work hours."

I remember last year when my daughter sent an email request for assistance to her maths teacher over the weekend, she was received a stern reply in the email to the same effect as above. That time I gave the teacher the benefit of the doubt (maybe she was having a bad weekend or whatever) but it looks like this is their policy.

I am all for work life balance, nor do I expect teachers or staff to be working outside of hours. But working in corporate where people work in different time zones, or basically fire off emails from their phones at all hours, or those night owls that squeeze in an hour of work at night so they can leave an hour early for school pickups etc. - the usual expectation is that email is an "offline" medium and the recipients are free to respond during their usual working hours. It would be ludicrous to inform my customers and suppliers to please schedule emails so I receive them during MY working hours.

Anyway, just wanted everyone's thoughts… has the world gone mad?

Edit: has anyone seen this kind of policy in other schools or unis?

I've pasted the communication below.

Communication guidelines for parents
Dear Parents/Guardians,

We value open communication between our staff and families within our School community.

The demands on schools are ever increasing and it can be difficult at times to put in place work boundaries. We have developed communication guidelines for our school community in an attempt to find ways to support staff wellbeing and sustainable work practices. We are seeking your support with the following guidelines:

If you email a staff member, please ensure you schedule send it, so they receive it during work hours (8:20 - 4:20 pm Monday - Friday). Staff may choose to respond to your emails outside of their work hours, but you should not expect them to do so.
A response within 2 working days (if a staff member is not absent) is the expected time frame. Staff members will activate an ‘Out of Office’ message if they are absent from work, so that you are aware their response may be delayed and it will direct you to where you can seek assistance for urgent matters.

We have also communicated this to students.
A copy of these guidelines will be on the parent portal for future reference.
Thank you for your assistance with this.
Kind Regards,
xxx xxxxx
Acting Principal.

Poll Options

  • 894
    Emails should be able to be sent/received any time
  • 25
    Emails should only be sent during working hours
  • 2
    I have misunderstood/misinterpreted the guidelines
  • 23
    Yawn, where's the bargain?

Comments

    • Do you have any idea how difficult it is to change schools? Certainly in Sydney, public schools only accept enrolments from a particular geographic area with almost no exceptions made anymore.

      • +1

        OK be aware my comment was more tongue in cheek.

        Satire or sarcasm if you will.

        • +1

          Fair enough. Sometimes it doesn't come across in a comment, and sometimes you read too quickly and don't "get it". Have a great day.

  • we should go back to snail mail where only arrive during business hours

  • +1

    Only reason I can think of is they don't want teachers to feel obliged to reply after hours.

    Teachers may choose to catch up on emails after hours, but they may not want any new mails from parents popping up to stress them out.

    Some teachers don't mind, some don't check mail at all, but there will be a few offended by after hour emails, the school needs an uniform policy.

  • If there are 80 emails scheduled to arrive at 9:00am for example,

    1: do they just all appear in your inbox at the same time?
    2: is there a way to know at what time the email entered the system to wait for a future time of delivery?
    3: are the emails delivered to the inbox in the same order they entered the system - ie: will an email sent at 4:40pm appear higher on the list in your inbox than an email sent at 11pm, even though they are both scheduled to be delivered at the same time?

    Thinking in situations where there might be 10 seats available on the bus for the excursion to somewhere fabulous that everyone wants to go but as class has 30 kids, allocation of those ten seats is on a first come first serve basis.

    I know both my suggestions are wild but these are not stupid people. I do not believe that when this suggestion was floated that no one said "wait, what? You can't be serious", and then everybody shot him down and let this insane policy be communicated to the parents and students.

    There has to be some reason apart from stupidity and ignorance that this policy was even considered far less become published and adhered to.

  • +1

    Reply asking them to only send emails to you between the hours of 1am and 4 am

    • Haha yeh, and that you only accept emails on a sunday, any other day is unacceptable!!!!

  • +2

    Complain to the education department and your local MP. Also raise it at the P&C meeting.

    Also I hope that principal's spam filters work well because I'm guessing they're about to be subscribed to a bunch of mailing lists.

  • What actually happens when it isnt sent during these hours? Are they ignored? Looked for this question but couldn't see it

    • +1

      In my case my daughter emailed her teacher out of hours and got a very stern reply.

      • To which I would reply "Eat my shorts". It is the only reply one can give.

      • -2

        What was it?
        Don't stand so close to me?
        I would have blocked her.

  • +2

    This short sighted policy was probably put in place because some parent sent an email at 4:30pm on a Friday and it wasn't responded to until Tuesday. They would have complained saying "I sent that email 4 days ago blah blah blah"

    • Agreed.

      The flipside of the coin these days (in a nod to your comment) is that a lot of people these days DO expect fast replies, and get agitated if they don't get one.

      They are usually the most important people in to world, and we should always drop everything to serve immediately.

  • Just ignore them and carry on with what you're currently doing - there's not much that they can do about it in reality

  • +1

    Next rule: No sending snail mail outside work hours.

  • +6

    There is no way I could be a teacher in these times, stupid lazy entitled parents bombard teachers with all sorts of crap including petty unnecessary emails, text messages etc. Teachers should be using their time to teach, prepare lessons, mark exams etc like they did before the digital age. I know a few teachers who tell me they spend a good portion of their time dealing with needy parents who just won't leave them alone. The parents are needier than the kids. Two teachers have already quit teaching because of this, others aren't far from changing careers as well.

    • -3

      Surely, this doesn't apply to teaching only… don't be a princess or at this rate everyones gonna hate their job

  • +1

    Why is anyone emailing a teacher? So strange to me.

    • +1

      Creepy?

      • +2

        I'm not sure I'd say "creepy" — but certainly inappropriate. In the same way that I would not text message my doctor directly, I think there needs to be a healthy degree of distance between students and teachers, for the arrangement to work.

        • Why, at our kids school we are encouraged to engage with the teacher directly, for subject queries, or to the home group teacher for general student/welfare queries.
          If the matter requires escalation, then there is a clear written pathway of who to contact.

          There are multiple ways to teach a subject so simply saying that the parents or AI can answer anything is wrong. In fact using AI brings in a whole different issue surrounding plagiarism.

          People need to realise that written communication has never demanded an immediate response. If an issue is urgent, you ring the school to talk to someone. It's not rocket science.

    • +1

      Did you dismiss the reasons already provided in this comment section, or are you not creative or involved enough to think of any reasons?

      • +2

        I did give it some thought — and truly, I cannot think of any persuasive reason to justify having a direct and open line of communication between teachers and parents. I can only see that being a recipe for inefficiency and mutual frustration.

        • To be clear, you're suggesting parents only speak to the teacher once a year, max?

          • +1

            @DiscountForThee: No, not quite. The frequency of parent/teacher meetings is a seperate question. On that topic, I think once a semester (or even term) would be sensible. But what does a parent need to email a teacher about on a routine basis?

            • @bangiebargie: Who said routine? Have you read any of the reasons in this thread? It's ad-hoc, for things that are not routine

              • +1

                @DiscountForThee: To do something "on a routine basis" means to do so regularly — and apparently from the examples given in this thread, it appears that parents are routinely (that is, regularly) emailing teachers with unnecessary questions, "ad hoc" or otherwise. Ultimately, an institution should protect the ability of its employees to do their core work — and for teachers, that is teaching. Not answering emails. That pedagogical objective overrides any secondary interest of parents to micromanage their children's education remotely.

    • +2

      It's not 1980 anymore. Email is one way people communicate.

      • -2

        Email is not a good method of communication, people these days are fickle they have selective response to anything electronic. Emails are majority spam and vehicle purely for marketing

        • +1

          Emails are fantastic. They're almost instant. You can attach everything from images to contracts to links to other electronic data. I've used them to communicate with friends and family, negotiate contracts, get work and a whole lot more. Everything from my wedding, to tracking online purchases, to receiving tickets for events. I literally have no idea what to say to someone that only sees the spam and marketing you put up with as the only reason for their existence, and I honestly have no idea what someone that genuinely thinks that way is doing on this board. I doubt I'm going to convince you of anything but fortunately that's not my job.

          • -1

            @syousef: I'm not doubting the efficiency of emails and their ORIGINAL INTENT to replace paper mail and faxes in commerce.

            And you're right you're not going to convince me of anything, perhaps one day you will reach the same conclusion as I have.

            • @THICKnSLOW: The original intent of email is electronic messaging, not just for commerce. And there is no chance I'm going to start thinking like you for all the reasons I've already stated. Email has facilitated a lot of the best things I've had in my life.

      • +1

        True — but just because we can communicate by a particular method, does not mean that we should, for particular relationships. For instance, most people would agree that it would be inappropriate for parents to be able to directly call or text a teacher on their mobile phone, or contact a teacher via social media application. I think direct email is also inappropriate.

        • text a teacher on their mobile phone, or contact a teacher via social media application

          I think this is where your hang up is. An email is to their work email address. Not contact their personal devices as your previous examples

    • +2

      Yep - having been to Australian schools from 1983 onwards, I don't think my parents EVER contacted the school for anything unless the teachers asked to speak to THEM.

      It wasn't expected or done.

      You wanted to communicate with a teacher you had to ring reception and they would pass a message and the teacher would contact you to make an appointment if deemed necessary.

      I do believe having this kind of free access to teachers these days puts a lot of extra strain on teachers they shouldn't have to deal with. I know teachers - believe me the job is NOT 8:30 to 15:30. They are very busy people and are really underappreciated.

      Parents of students forget that these teachers work with multiple classes of dozens of students. Having to deal with needy parents on top of that I think is a bit insane, but it is what it is. Go with the times I guess but I know for a fact the teachers I know get pretty burned out. If it wasn't for school holidays…..

      • had to ring reception and they would pass a message and the teacher would contact you to make an appointment if deemed necessary.

        Can you explain the difference between this, and

        had to email the teacher and they would contact you to make an appointment if deemed necessary.

        • +2

          Mainly the level of expectation these days.

          Do you really think the parents that email the teachers direct would accept no response/late response/minimal response?

          Genuine question.

          Giving parents a direct way to contact a teacher will absolutely in my mind mean that that level of direct communication would get abused to a degree.

          Looking at all your responses to these posts, you are most definitely in the camp that agrees that is is OK to contact teachers and will defend that.

          That is OK and fine.

          I'm definitely more in the camp of letting the teachers teach and not waste time dealing with parents. Let them concentrate on the students and giving them the best education possible.

          We just have differing opinions but I think it's because one of my best friends is a teacher and tells me these things and I've personally dealt with a lot of things as president and committee member of 3 clubs where everybody thinks they have the right to call you direct for every little thing taking up very literally half my day which I should be spending on expanding/improving the clubs I'm part of. Same with teaching. To be fair in MY case it's frustrating because the majority of the calls I was getting were questions that were fully covered in the welcome packs we sent out to new members/on our web sites/affiliated web sites and I'm getting those questions because no-one bothers doing the reading in the welcome pack.

          It's TOO EASY to simply mail someone. I concede what the parents need from teachers may fall outside of information they can get themselves, true. I have asked my kids in the past if they can ask their teacher a quick question after class taking less than 30 seconds but that's about it.

          It's good to see both sides of the argument though. It's probably because I'm getting older and have seen both sides I don't know. Maybe if I was younger and grown up in more recent times my opinion may be different.

          • -1

            @Ramrunner: This entire reply comes across along the lines of: maybe no one should drive, anywhere, because I see people speed and drink drive all the time.

            Where you're really close in identifying: it's not the emails / driving that is a problem, it is the people who misuse it. Everyone else who emails and doesn't demand, or drives and doesn't tailgate - things are fine. The problem isn't inherent in the platform, but with the bad people.

  • +2

    Hey teachers parents, leave those kids teachers alone

  • +2

    The school probably has admin staff vett emails to prevent improper convos & relationships. Those admin staff can only do that in normal working hours.These are not private email accounts, nor are they privileged parents on call tutors. Your kid is not any more special than any other. Who'd be a teacher these days. OMG

  • that's bollocks seriously what's next, only send it via pigeon mail?

    you can't email them directly anyways these days, it's all going into some central distribution list

    and indeed, who knows when it actually lands in the mailbox

    must be a fun principal there..

    • +1

      Pigeon mail is the best… unless it's raining. Laminate people, laminate.

    • Why can't you email them directly. Our school provides staff email details.

      • that's good ! ours didn't, only reception email was shared

  • -4

    Apparently these are compelling reasons to email a teacher:

    "clarification of a question on an assessment task
    * clarification or missing information on slides provided by teacher
    * request for extension for work"

    Beats me. I can't even imagine it. 'Sir, you know that question you gave us that I had half an hour to clarify while I was sitting right in front of you? Well I don't get it. Please explain?'

    • You've never taken your homework and then sit down to look at it and see something doesn't make sense?

  • +1

    Lol. Where do i even start. I believe there are couple of things happening here.

    Firstly and obviously Principal and management is out of touch. They don't understand how things work including emails etc.

    Secondly some parents must be so demanding that they expect someone to reply to emails quickly including on weekends or after hours. You never know but I won't be surpised as people have gone mad over small things these days. People operate and think very differently.

    Thirdly Principal and staff is probably burnt out and didn't think it through before sending such email out. Probably being bit precious too and trying to look good so teachers don't quit.

    Sending email anytime of the day or night is definitely not a problem. No one is expecting email reply in like 5 mins or within few hours anyway.

    • +1

      'some parents must be so demanding that they expect someone to reply to emails quickly including on weekends or after hours. You never know but I won't be surpised as people have gone mad over small things these days'

      yes - the worst complaints come from the nastiest parents - usually following bad behaviour by their child - and then come the legal threats 'will call the Minister!', etc.

  • +1

    You should raise it with the School Council.

    Better yet, volunteer your time for school council and have a material say in the policies in place at the school.

  • +1

    Easy solution. Give them a phone call after hours instead.

  • +3

    I'm a retired teacher of IT and I don't know how to schedule send an email, i.e. arrange for it to be sent at a future time, as I've never done it before.

    [googled] okay found it -

    Gmail - Open Gmail, Click Compose, Write your email, Click the down arrow next to Send, Click Schedule send, Choose a date and time

    Outlook - Create a new email, Click the down arrow next to Send, Click Schedule send, Choose a date and time

    and that ends my lesson for today - see you next week, kids ! ;-)

    • It's worth noting that not all mail accounts have this feature, so it's understandable if you haven't done it before.

    • Try doing it on your desktop/laptop in your Outlook application (not a cloud based version). Turn said device off and see if the email still goes at the set time.
      So if I followed your instructions and it didn't send the email, can I send you an email to clarify the instructions /s

  • Sorry, this is just dumb. Send it when it's convenient for you. They can read it when it's convenient for them. That's it. Period. Nothing else.

    If the school is so hung up on this policy, they should set their email rules to store and only distribute at certain times. Not all people know how to schedule send, my wife would have no idea and I am not sure I have ever even done this in Gmail, only for work emails.

  • +1

    I don’t necessarily agree, but I also don’t completely disagree. It’s more of a guideline than a strict rule—maybe to remind parents and set expectations rather than something that can be strictly enforced.

    The issue is that parents are contacting teachers at all hours, sending emails and making phone calls about trivial or irrelevant matters…This has been steadily increasing since COVID and has become a major nuisance for pretty much all teachers, and it’s taking up valuable time that could be spent on teaching, lesson planning, or marking. You wouldn’t believe the sheer number of calls teachers receive, even on weekends.

    To deal with this, I simply don’t respond to most emails and have never shared my private mobile number. I only reply to emails that are genuinely relevant, as otherwise, I’d spend hours each week dealing with non-essential communication rather than focusing on my actual work.

    As I work in a public school I don’t have any obligation to go above and beyond my actual duties and to provide customer service to parents. Some have tried to threaten me with some sort of complaint when they didn’t like the grade or couldn’t reach me but those go nowhere and nobody cares as we have a chronic teacher shortage and I can get a new job at almost any school in about a week.

    • Mustang -you make great points-i know quite a few teachers that have retired early, and after reading so many people here who are emailing their childs teacher so much—no wonder they left teaching. All the teachers i know bring a lot of marking etc home, i cant see how they can have time for many emails as well. No wonder we have a teacher shortage…. When we have emailed the school, we use settings to delay sending until work hours, same as when i email my accountant etc

  • +3

    I'm a teacher. The policy us dumb. Send them when you have time and we'll reply when we're able.

  • +3

    My best guess as to why this is a thing is that teachers are expected to monitor and communicate with each other and the administration outside of business hours, so muting all notifications is not an option.

    However, because their IT dept seems pretty inept and does not know (or is not aware of) how to setup up email filtering and then dump all external email addresses into a separate folder (which can then be muted), they roll out this policy where they expect you to not message them so that teachers don't get bothered on student/parent issues when working outside of hours.

  • How hard is it for someone to only check their work email between 8.20-4.20pm from Monday to Friday and ignore it all other times.

    • Apparently these educators require more than a Bachelor's degree to do so….but they can schedule mail just fine.

  • +1

    They should just turn off email servers after hours - no more finger points on parents.

  • Sending email should not be restricted.
    This is silly.
    Try to keep it at reasonable hours, but also add a footer to indicate- "I am sending this email at this time as it is convenient for me. I do not expect you to read or respond to the same outside your normal work hours."

    Also, schools should train teachers to set their phones not to ping outside work hours. You can access your email settings on your device or email platform, navigate to notification settings, and set a schedule to silence notifications during non-work hours.
    (Only issue will be if teachers are expected to respond to official principal- teacher communication even after work hours, but where is the work life balance then?)

  • sounds like this acting Principal is trying to score brownie points to score herself that permanent position.

  • Encourage your staff to detach from work. Don't check work emails.

    But I'm not sending them stuff in work hours, I'll send it when I choose (which is probably 8-9pm when the kids have been sorted out!).

  • According to that email they say "8.20-4.20pm", So the 8.20 must also be pm so that gives you a 16 hour period to email ! Teachers are not very smart !

    • +2

      According to that email they say "8.20-4.20pm", So the 8.20 must also be pm so that gives you a 16 hour period to email ! Teachers are not very smart !

      8.20pm - 4.20pm is 20 hours.

      Tell us again about who is not very smart.

      • I could be a teacher !

  • The school just needs to get the message across that emails may take a certain turnaround period (e.g. 2 days as per the above example). They should include a higher buffer if they're struggling to attend to emails during working hours in that timeframe.

    Sending an email to staff during working hours has zero value.

  • They should teach the teachers how to use Do Not Disturb on email accounts.

  • for pettiness I would send them a guide on how to mute notifications at 4am

  • Surely it is their decision on when they should read them.
    If parents have some expectation of out of hours replies (which they shouldn't) then maybe this needs to be communicated.

  • +2

    Are there any laws that say a school or its employees must use email? Any rules saying it must receive emails?

    Curious if emails are an entitlement or right.

  • https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5321#section-4.5.4.…

    Note that the email standards allow for retries up to 4-5 days. Delivery isn't guaranteed or anything.

    Maybe you should point the principal to the standards.

  • +1

    It's concerning a school doesn't understand what asynchronous communication is

  • Before the 'Right to Disconnect' came in to effect, a friend had a similar scenario in a busy workplace. Without going into everything - they uncovered that some staff had difficulties switching off coupled with some mental health issues / anxiety etc. Got a little more serious than just telling people to set Do Not Disturb on their devices.

    PSA: If you're struggling help is available

    • Anxiety can be an issue, but I am failing to see where it "Got a little more serious than just telling people to set Do Not Disturb on their devices."

      At …no point… did it become more serious than that. Notifications off, email-induced anxiety after hours disappears. It's quite simple.

  • +1

    Is there an implied reciprocity here that you don't have to receive E-mail's from the School outside these hours as well and can ignore/delete the requests from School Fees/Donations/Building Fund if received out of hours?

    • I would actually suggest that if you work, that you can't receive personal emails during your work time, and allocate them set windows for communication and that you have set up rules to auto delete non-compliant received emails. /s

  • lol sounds like the educators need to do some themselves on how to manage emails and notifications, or policy especially if it is some kind of phone/email mandate as people have suspected.

  • If the teachers are responding to the emails they receive during school hours, who is teaching the students?

  • This is completely insane and absurd. Do they not know how to turn off notifications, set DND hours, or to just not have the email app installed on their phone at all?

  • I imagine this has to do with the school trying to cover themselves with the right to disconnect legislation.

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