The new Special Edition Tiggo 7 Pro is the cheapest medium sized SUV available, now under $30000 driveaway. Good value with a lot of features for the price. Reviews suggest interior space is better than a CX-5.
It's not the best car but it's a good cheap option for situations such as new or expanding families.
7 year warranty and capped price servicing. Up to 7 years roadside assistance if serviced at a Chery dealership.
Funny thing is that there are many people who put 95 into cars that don't even need it
"don't even need it"
I put that into my Victa 2 stroke. :)
Come on get an EM (electric mower) already
@cheaptech20: Why? He has a victa 2 stroke which will last his life time and pollute less than the the 15 EM's he would need to replace it.
@onlybuysdeals: 15 EM's in a lifetime? Sure….if you are buying generic no named brands.
Much like ICE mowers, if you buy cheap no named ones they will keep dieing.
If your going to compare a top tier ICE, compare it with a top tier EM.
I'm confident my Makita DLM532ZX will survive the test of time…it was already involved in the floods of 2021 being underwater for over a week, think is built like a tank. So long as your replace/refurb the batteries (current ones are about 7 years old), and change the blades as frequently as you would an ICE, I can't see why it wouldn't last.
@onlybuysdeals: I've had one electric battery mower for 8yrs, I had a victa for 10yrs and it needed 2 repairs. Less moving parts, more reliable.
@cheaptech20: Not sure id call a victa 2 stroke 'top tier', id say a Honda 4 stroke would be top tier … I'm sure some battery mowers last a while (im aware of 2 now!). So so many being thrown out though. Company no longer exists, too weak, doesn't last long enough, batteries died, upgraded to latest model changed brands to match my eco system. 2 repairs on a victa is a good thing, can be repaired and its still going. A new spark plug for 10 bucks or a carby clean from lack of use or not running it dry when storing is no big deal.
Is 98 good for the engine even if the car can take e10?
Not sure about e10, 91 in au has higher sulfur content, pre 2024 Dec 31st anyway.
@Flutterby: Took me 15,000kms of driving on 95 to get that foul sulphur smell out of my cats. Aussie 91 is terrible.
@fwhite: Cats are usually self cleaning. In general, at most you should wash them once or twice a year with cat safe shampoo.
@htc: 95 has the same sulfur content as 98 I think, the only difference is the octane and various additives depending on the brand.
So the consensus is to use 98 to minimise sulfur content and better for engine.
no. stick to the manual. engineers that designed the car know best.
i know one mf that used RON 98 on her Corolla, because it's "better" for the engine.
if you drive an econobox/white fridge just stick to the recommended/cheapest fuel.
@dukeGR4: I drive a 2024 hybrid corolla and was told that 98 is the best as it has 2% carbon. But I must say since I switched from 91 to 98 recently, I haven't noticed a better mileage. Also I find the new hybrid corolla is not as fuel efficient as the older hybrid corolla. Before that I drive a 2007 corolla and the mileage improved when I switched from 91 to 95.
My old car (Nissan Dualis) works okay with 91. At 100K service it was supposed to have fuel filter changed. Ultratune (a good rated one) mechanic said, can't change fuel filter, the whole assembly would need to be changed which isn't needed. I asked what to do? They said, just use better quality petrol. The car just drives with more power when I use 95.
This is pretty average advice from your mechanic. Change the fuel filter when it is due. 98 is not magically cleaner or less prone to dirt from transfer and storage than 91 at the same servo.
I put 91 when I rented it last week
A bargain
Will they be around in 7 years?
Holden is gone and Nissan is just hanging on for dear life, with the influx of cheap Chinese ev's arriving downunder you'll need to be clairvoyant to know who'll be around in even 5 years.
The difference is there is still widespread support, knowledge and parts for those. For a brand and models that never truly become mainstream we've seen it countless times before, they end up as land fill far quicker than ought too. And considering for a lot of these chinese brands we're little more than a stock overflow outlet you'd have to be a supreme optimist to think they'd give 2 hoots about genuine support when leaving the market. You'd think a brand like BYD will make it long term, but there are plenty that wont and no doubt some will be surprises.
"The difference is there is still widespread support, knowledge and parts for those."
Depends on how new is the car. A brand new model and new platform, sourcing parts and a sound mechanic is difficult.
Chery has already done a runner back in 2015 after only 4 years in Australian market. Many people are still unaware of their previous track record in Australia.
Will the car?
I bet money Chery is far more likely to stay in the Australian market than Honda.
I bet money Chery is far more likely to stay in the Australian market than Honda.
How much?
a cherry.
I would happily take that bet.
We bought our recent Chery Tiggo 4 Pro Ulitmate from a Honda(/Chery) dealership.
Regardless, there is also the roadside assistance and the backing of the (Chery) Factory.
Chery is the biggest exporter of vehicles from China by a wide margin.
Chery may not be the largest exporter of the more expensive (and possibly more reliable) Electric Vehicles, but their engines are considered to be in the top 6 of the top 10 ranking of Chinese made engines.
There are no recalls on Tiggo 4 Pro's and they have been making them since 2017.
(The first year of Tiggo 4 production in China was 2017.
Explanation: The Chery Tiggo 5x, which is largely known as the Tiggo 4 in most global markets, was first produced by Chery Automobile in 2017.) from AI.
but their engines are considered to be in the top 6 of the top 10 ranking of Chinese made engines.
Lol. Honda is considered to be one of the best engine makers in history. Not 6th-best from the very worst bunch…
There are no recalls on Tiggo
You know that recalls are good thing right? It means the company takes responsibility for problems rather than ignore them and leave your customers on the hook.
You also forgot to say how much you're willing to put up for this bet?
@1st-Amendment: How about using "factual" information rather than making Bull-dash assertions. "Not 6th-best from the very worst bunch…"
Your perversion/twisting of my statement is quite remarkable.
Chery make 6 of the top 10 engines in China. Not "6th best from the very worst bunch…"
What is the recent source of your claim?
First here is a listing from JD Power in relation to "Vehicle Dependability in China…"
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-china-v…
I don't know if this reference is allowed: but other people can look up information from JD Power itself: this is the source of information people in the Car Industry look at and use to assess problems with cars.
I sometimes use AI to find a general listing of any problems or recalls, but I am not saying this a perfect summary of available web-based information. But I did try to do a deep dive on any negative reports.
I also joined up with any relevant Face-Book groups to get any dirt or bad Chery ownership stories. I also did a search of YouTube in relation to Chery.
I won't hid the fact that there are many very poor dealership stories online. As to how many of these consumer reports represent as a whole all dealers; other people need to judge for themselves. The stories only represent the very worst examples and show the behaviour of the Dealers themselves is really important too.
The engine details are as follows:
The Chery Tiggo 7 Pro SE+ in Australia is powered by a 1.6L turbocharged petrol engine, producing 137kW of power and 275Nm of torque, paired with a 7-speed dual-clutch transmission; it requires 95 RON unleaded fuel and has a combined fuel consumption of 7.0L/100km.
Key details:
Engine type: 1.6L Turbo Petrol
Max Power: 137kW @ 5500rpm
Max Torque: 275Nm @ 2000-4000rpm
Transmission: 7-speed Dual Clutch
AI says the following specifically about the engine in the Tiggo 7 Pro SE +:
"According to reviews, the Chery Tiggo 7 Pro SE+ engine in Australia is considered "decent" for its class, offering adequate power with a 1.6-litre turbocharged petrol engine producing 137kW and 275Nm of torque, but not particularly exceptional compared to other mid-sized SUVs; some reviewers note a slight lag in acceleration and a less-than-ideal fuel efficiency, especially when compared to hybrid options.
Key points about the Chery Tiggo 7 Pro SE+ engine:
Powertrain: 1.6-litre turbocharged petrol engine with 137kW power and 275Nm torque.
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic
Pros: Good mid-range torque, smooth power delivery, decent acceleration for everyday driving
Cons: May experience some turbo lag, not the most fuel-efficient in its class, not ideal for towing"
When the question to AI is framed in a more negative manner (How unreliable is the engine in the Chery Tiggo 7 Pro SE + in Australia?):
According to available reviews, the engine in the Chery Tiggo 7 Pro SE+ is considered not entirely reliable in Australia, with some reports of laggy performance, hesitant transmission, and potential issues with smoothness, particularly when compared to established brands; however, some users have found it to be efficient and reliable for long drives, highlighting the mixed opinions on its reliability depending on individual experiences.
Key points to consider:
Mixed Reviews: While some users report issues with engine lag and transmission hesitation, others have praised its fuel efficiency and performance on long trips.
Newer Brand: As a relatively new brand in Australia, Chery's long-term engine reliability is still being assessed by the market.
Engine Specs: The Tiggo 7 Pro SE+ is powered by a 1.5L turbocharged petrol engine.
AI says the following about Chery company itself: 'Chery engines have improved in reliability over time, but some users have reported issues with engine performance. Chery engines are designed for everyday driving, but may not be as reliable for long-term use.
Engine reliability
Engine performance
Some users have reported issues with engine performance over time, especially under harsh driving conditions or poor maintenance.
Engine warranty
Some Chery engines come with extended warranties, such as the ACTECO 1.6TGDI engine, which comes with a 10-year/one million km warranty.
Engine technology
Chery engines use a variety of technologies to improve fuel economy and performance, such as the iHEC combustion system, rapid heating thermal management system, and friction reducing technology.
Chery's reputation for reliability
Chery has won awards in the Chinese Heart Engine Awards for its investments in durability and reliability.
Some owners report satisfaction with their Chery vehicles, making them a sound choice for long-term ownership.
So I think betting or bragging rights are premature in relation to Chery, but if you can source a "web-portal" or listing with the negative reports I would appreciate it.
Very much so in-fact.
I did this search in relation to the other popular currently available Chinese SUV-'s in Australia as well.
So please be negative/critical as possible: but also have a source for that fact or opinion. I am really interested
How about using "factual" information rather than making Bull-dash assertions. "Not 6th-best from the very worst bunch…"
This was your claim, not mine "their engines are considered to be in the top 6 of the top 10 ranking of Chinese made engines."
First here is a listing from JD Power
So you have no idea what JD Power is. You googled it and took the first result at face value?
Go read the JD power methodology and you might learn something. Spoiler it's simply a phone survey performed by calling random Americans and asking questions about their cars. It has no scientific basis whatsoever, and zero relevance the Australian market where we have different cars.
this is the source of information people in the Car Industry look at and use to assess problems with cars.
Lol you really think 'The Car Industry' is googling results to 'assess problems with cars'? This is comedy hour. They have the real world data form their dealer networks and service centres, Googling is what keyboard warriors do, not Engineers.
Are you getting paid to promote this junk?
but if you can source a "web-portal" or listing with the negative reports
Go ask any mechanic or Engineer. No Google required.
@1st-Amendment: Well thanks for the feedback.
You have not shed further light on anything.
You have not referenced anything new.
129 votes seems pretty high for a piece of crap car.
My assertions are fact based.
Your claims are unsourced opinion with no actual reference.
I did ring up the technical advice line and speak to many people.
I was not able to wait 12 months for a desirable export vehicle from a desirable manufacturer.
JD Power is not a bunch people taking/making phone calls and you opinion of them is ignorant.
I have used JD Power for research for more than cars and they are reliable.
Your claims are unsourced opinion
Yeah, your unsourced opinion lol. I merely gave your own opinion back to you.
YOU said they were the 6th best in China, you can't even work out it's your own reference that you are criticising…
129 votes seems pretty high
129 opinions…
My assertions are fact based.
A phone survey, like 'votes' is not fact, it's opinion. You're really struggling with working out the difference here aren't you…
JD Power is not a bunch people taking/making phone calls
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/buying-selling/jd-power-ratin…
Surveys are conducted through telephone, mail and e-mail.
Uh-oh… Here let me help you get that egg off your face…
The ccp will ensure they will be…
is cherry a good brand?
Budget brand similar to MG… I believe they exited the Aus market once before and now are back along with other Chinese brands. There's always the risk of them exiting the market if sales aren't great.
I can't comment on quality of their cars, so you may need to do some searching there to see what the end customers experiences have been like.
I was reading Australia will have 60 car brands this year with 100.000 vehicles coming in each month .I wonder what going to happen with the Ewaste & land fill.
ship it off to Africa ?
100,000 new vehicles per month and there are still plenty of jokers asking covid prices for clapped out sh—boxes.
@BGK: Yeah totally agree I've been looking around to update my car the second hand car/SUV market is full of insanely over priced junk .
@Mike Nolan: disgraceful to use the great mike nolan's name and likeness to make such rubbish partisan comments
Will be made into bin bags and sell at a higher price to us. Just jk
Own a Chery Omoda E5 EX here, and have been in a Tiggo 8 Pro Max and Tiggo 4 Pro before; car quality is pretty decent in high traffic areas ie door panels, centre armrest, etc with soft materials like faux leather… Low traffic areas like bottom door bins, rear A/C vent areas, etc on mine is a lot of hard plastic tho, similar to some more established brands.
So far it seems reliable, have only had it for 2 ish months now tho so can't comment on that entirely (only issues are just some EV quirks to get used to vs ICE cars), and can't speak on quality of their ICE cars fully tho, esp with engine reliability and what not (hence why I went EV when going for a Chinese brand, less to go wrong IMO), build quality interior wise tho is pretty decent. Especially for the price which does undercut a lot of competitors. I see tons of Omoda 5s on the road if that's something to go by for Chery as a brand
Post purchase customer service has been iffy tho, blame that on my particular dealer. Unsure if others are any better. I'd argue Chery are better than MG in terms of build and feature set, but I've only had experience with the previous gen ZS when in one once in an Uber.
Did you get a good deal on your Omoda E5 EX?
@beesider: After tons of negotiation, I got mine (a 2024 demo with under 1000kms iirc) for $41k drive away on the dot. That includes the optional 2 tone black and white paint, floor mats, weather shields, a boot floor mat and a Type 2 mobile charger. Also includes that like $3000 discount from Chery, forget what that was for tho.
Pretty good deal at the time, considering the cheapest at the time was $44,999 drive away and then I could only negotiate that one to $42k iirc without accessories incl the mobile charger since those are per-dealer, mine gave me an EVSE one which is roughly $350.
2024 plate clearance will likely give you a similar price I assume or even better (went on Carsales and pains me to see a brand new EX under $40k). Wish I waited but alas I needed a car at that time so not much I could've done
No
You can try cherry at local wollie, iga, aldi and coles
Why is that a problem?
Because the "free market" is only good while it benefits those that espouse it.
You’re kidding yourself if you think these manufacturers aren’t receiving foreign government assistance, ie. not a true free and fair market.
@PainToad: In the case of Chery, the company is actually state owned by some municipal government within China which has invested hundreds of millions into building up its ability to manufacture vehicles. It will be interesting to see where this brand lands in a few years considering the fiscal problems that Chinese municipal governments are now facing.
With that said, it would make no sense to place tariffs on vehicles from China considering that we don't have any domestic car manufacturing industry and never will. We might as well pick up cheap vehicles courtesy of Chinese taxpayers.
You’re kidding yourself if you think these manufacturers aren’t receiving foreign government assistance
Aren't all of them ? GM only exists because Obama pumped a gazillion dollars into it and it has so much debt it has to fold some time unless it's propped up yet again. Tesla exists only because of Government credits (more then 1/2 their Q4 revenue was the creative accounting of unrealised crypto gains and Government credits) and on and on
We tax payers spent a fortune propping up Aussie car manufactures for many years but no one wanted much of the crap they made.
Or is is it only when the CCCP do it that its so unfair ?
Producing excess and selling it overseas is called trade, that the central planning of the CCCP may be superior to the quasi socialistic capatilism system we live under seems to stick in the craw of many.
This is not a defence of either, they're all as toxic as hell, including our own. I am happy for the Chinese to subside E cars (which is where they are mostly concentrating) , its not like Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, Stellantis, VW, Jaguar Rover etal are doing a stellar job.
@1st-Amendment: CCP ruled China is such a utopia that 24,214 Chinese citizens were apprehended in 2024 for illegally entering USA from Mexico border. Facts speak louder than opinions. I rest my case.
@1st-Amendment: YOU KNOW WHAT?! KEEPING SILENCE WONT EXPOSE YOUR IGNORANCE. ESP YOUR STUPID JUDGEMENT ON HIM ABOUT WHERE HE SHOULD LIVE. ITS REALLY NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
@1st-Amendment: I think if you are born into a "good" country, you should not be judged on being critical of how things work in that country one way or another.
Part of being born in any country is the familar aspects you learn and are comfortable with.
In reality there is no perfect country and no perfect population and government.
Sometimes the lie of saying "we live in the best country in the whole world" and a massive Hollywood media machine can trick people into thinking or being ignorant of what a place is really like until they get there.
You can be sure that if you are a poor person in the USA, (and unless you have a particularly special skill set and education) you will find it incredibly hard to make a go sucessfuly of it in that society. (You really need a lot of money before moving over there).
@marcozmitch: The different is once such a comment is made like this, you may disappear from the face of earth for a period of time. Or have to your social credit downgraded so you can’t use public transport nor other government services. Or have your internet service banned.
Yes there are no perfect country but some are naturally better than others.
Just have a look at the countries where people are risking their life to get to. There is got to be a reason. There’s is a difference between real life and ideas
I think if you are born into a "good" country, you should not be judged on being critical of how things work in that country one way or another.
Didn't say you can't be critical, but don't pretend that the places that are ALL OBJECTIVELY WORSE, are better. That's the point I'm making.
In reality there is no perfect country and no perfect population and government.
Correct. But some places are clearly better than others in most people's opinion. This is why people move to only some countries in very large numbers. No-one ever moves because they think they'll be worse off. No-one is risking it all to go live in Cuba, or Myanmar, or Venezuela for example.
Sometimes the lie of saying "we live in the best country in the whole world" and a massive Hollywood media machine can trick people
Agree. But I'm basing my opinions on first hand experience not Hollywood, and of having visited dozens of places all over the world and seen them first hand, and I've lived in four of them. I wasn't born here, I chose to live here because IMO it's is the best country in the world to live in. Best doesn't mean perfect, it means better than all the alternatives.
What I find odd is all the people who live in the best country in the world (IMO) but chose to shit on it and claim other countries do better, yet they don't go there? Why is that? If it's so good, why not move to this supposed good life? I moved for a good life and it worked out, so what's stopping them?
I personally encourage all aspiring Socialists to go visit these places to see Utopia first hand. They don't even have to move, just visit for a few days. Or if that's too hard, just go talk to any number of immigrants from those places. It's never a good story. Never.
You can be sure that if you are a poor person in the USA, (and unless you have a particularly special skill set and education) you will find it incredibly hard to make a go sucessfuly of it in that society.
So you're saying that to be successful you need to work hard? And you think this a bad thing? As you said above, no place is perfect, but I'll take work_hard_to_be_successful over work_hard_to_live_in_dirt, every day of the week.
None of them never want to?
Never ever. You missed a word which is important. Words have meanings…
So they all want to? I'm confused.
Go back and read all the words, it will then make more sense.
@1st-Amendment: So "none of them never ever want to" reads as there are none in the group that don't want to, this leaves that they all do actually want to as the only other option available.
So "none of them never ever want to" reads as
Ok so I went and consulted the manual. I read 'ever' as the verb, as in 'none ever want to go', and by adding 'never' as an adverb to 'ever' it was enhancing the verb. But it turns out that 'never ever' flips the 'ever' from a positive to a negative. So you are right, I will suck eggs on this one.
The correct phrase should be: 'Strange how none of the angry socialists ever want to go live in one of their socialist Utopias'
@ruprectaus: "Tesla exists only because of Government credits (more then 1/2 their Q4 revenue was the creative accounting of unrealised crypto gains and Government credits) "
Wrong. Q4 revenue was USD25.7 billion. Regulatory credits were 692million. Crypto gain was 589million. Both combined 1281million or 4.98% of revenue. Source: https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/…
Whats your source of misinformation calling less than 5% as more than 50%?
Because the "free market" is only good while it benefits those that espouse it.
Tell us you have no idea what a free market is…
@1st-Amendment: I don't. Because it doesn't exist. Never has, never can, never will. They're always tainted by powers and politics.
(I suspect your idea of a free market is a predominantly white capitalist class in control of it?)
@1st-Amendment: Nice that you ignore emergent properties when things are scaled. Try flying a paper plane with a 100m wingspan.
Enjoy your day.
Nice that you ignore…
You ignored all my questions and are now trying to deflect with gibberish. But I'm sure it's somehow all Whitey's fault lol…
Tariffs to protect what 😂
Australia is in the perfect position to benefit from a trade war.
The EU and the USA will protect their industry, China will continue to price competitively but will not control the market.
Australia should do nothing. Every other option is against our interests. We don't need to pay 25% more for cars to protect GM and Ford's profits while they make cars in Mexico.
An no, it doesn't make a difference if they move production back into the USA. As we are unable to tax the profits made on imported goods the best we can hope for is to import them as cheaply as possible.
You really wish to formalise our status as a client state of the US?
Why do we need to suffer in order to protect the weak US auto industry? Why do we need to suffer to prop up legacy European brands?
@Save Medicare: that's an insane INSANE take on tariffs
we should levy tariffs for Australians to pay so that we can protect Japanese Korean and Euro companies which have NO allegience to Australia during a cost of living crisis.
You think Toyota or VW will thank you for your service?
insanely brain damaged take on tariffs
lol!!! On the flip for shits n giggles it could fund cleaning up the aftermath when they brands start going bust and leaving consumers high n dry. Seems pretty inevitable outcome for some of these brands.
Tariffs to protect what
My guess is a lot of cases with the Chinese cars - racial / national / political superiority.
Peoples feelings
Rubbish like VW? Lol.
The guy has been listening to Trump too much without any context.
What to compete with our locally made cars?
cars made in or by countries we would prefer to spy on us….
Tough crowd, was obviously a joke 😅
With this comment, i feel like sometimes people forget the very reason why they're on ozbargain
The haval
As a mostly random guess from observation, great wall will probably have more staying power in aus than cherry.
Jolion is a smaller car
Walking.
We have a Haval h6 hybrid ultra. Honestly been almost a year and the car is really good for what we paid. Bigger than this . If you don’t want hybrid I think they are only a few thousands more than the cherry shown here. H6 is a bigger car though.
Always skeptical of MG/Haval/Chery fuel consumption claims. What's your fuel consumption been and what kind of driving do you do?
To be honest the hybrid only drives around 7.5L/100km and goes as low as 6.8L/100km. I have noticed it gives the best fuel efficiency when I am on level city roads. It doesn’t do well when I am at doing drives on slopy roads. I would say average is around 7L/100km.
95 Ron and higher is definitely a negative.