ING Direct 5% off all purchases by combining with a Woolworths Prepaid Mastercard

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Mod: While an interesting theory, unfortunately this won't work. Prepaid Mastercards can't be loaded from gift cards and need to be loaded from EFTPOS or cash.

Woolworths Money – Single Load Prepaid Mastercard

Break even analysis:

$3.95 Cost of card fee
$3.75 Cost of card fee (after 5% back from ING Direct)

$75.05 Minimum amount to be spent to receive card fee back.
(5% of $75.05 = $3.75 – cost of card fee)

$75.05 + $3.95 = $79 (total money spent on purchasing the card)
$79 x 0.95 = $75 (total monetary value loaded onto the card)
$79 x 0.05 = $3.95 (total money received as cash back from ING Direct)

ING Direct are currently offering a promotion where they will give 5% cash back on all contactless (‘pay wave’) purchases made using a Visa debit card linked to an Orange Everyday account (which for those of you who aren’t aware, charges no monthly account keeping fees or stupid transaction fees that other banks do).

If you have an ING Direct Orange Everyday account with a linked Visa debit card, the above table explains how to get 5% back on any purchase at any retailer that accepts eftpos or Visa as a form of paying for goods or services (including online), above a minimum threshold ($79). This can be done by purchasing a Wooolworths money single load prepaid Mastercard from either Woolworths or Big W and using gift cards to pay for the card.

As ING Direct only gives 5% cash back for contactless purchases under $100, all money spent to purchase and load the card needs to be done so in the form of either Woolworths, Big W or Wish gift cards with a maximum value of $99.99, that have been purchased via a contactless payment from an ING Direct Orange Everyday linked Visa debit card.

The above table of analysis shows the minimum amount needed to break even, (i.e. not make a loss or a profit in the ratio of money spent to monetary value of the card). In order to have a higher monetary value on the card in comparison to money spent purchasing the card, more than $79 needs to spent.

Example: I wish to purchase a new computer from my local computer dealer, who don’t accept contactless payments and don’t do gift vouchers of their own. The computer I want to purchase costs $500. Using the method outlined above, I purchase a Woolworths single load prepaid Mastercard with a monetary value of $500 from my local supermarket. I am able to save 5% on the value above the minimum threshold ($79), which is $421. 5% of $421 is $21.05. This brings the total price for the computer down to from $500 to $478.95, and I haven’t even started to try to get a better price for the salesman yet.

As mentioned above, you can rinse and repeat to save money on any place where Visa or eftpos payments are accepted (i.e. just about everywhere).

Please be aware that the card is single load, meaning the balance cannot be topped up and the value must be set at the time of original purchase (maximum load value of card is $1000). Having said that, if you were purchasing an item greater in value than $1000, you could combine multiple cards to pay for the purchase, keeping in mind that the $79 minimum threshold needs to reached before the 5% can take effect on each individual card.

Cheers and Merry Christmas to everybody reading this article.
I hope that what I have shown is able to help you save some money.

Michael

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Comments

  • It's less than 5% because of the card fee. I think you should add in an example of what percentage you save on $100, $500, $1000 load for example to be more clear about that. =] Otherwise good idea.

    • Sorry, it was a bit hard for me write this completely concisely because of the technicalities.
      It's 5% of everything over $79, so yes it will always be slightly less than 5%. The more you load onto the card, the higher percentage you will save.

    • +1

      If you wanted this in a formula, it would be as such.

      Percentage saved = [(purchase price - 79) x 0.05 ] / purchase price

      i.e:
      [(100 - 79) x 0.05] / 100 = 1.05%
      [(500 - 79) x 0.05] / 500 = 4.21%
      [(1000 - 79) x 0.05] / 1000 = 4.605%

  • seems like a bit of a hassle for people who don't already have the cards. $2.50 per $50 isn't an excellent deal, But still good for people who can be bothered

  • +1

    But your computer store charges 2% for mastercard payments.

  • Is ING still giving the 5% cashback to new customers? On their signup page it says you must be one of the first 30,000 new customers. This offer seems to have been available for quite some time now, surely they've surpassed that limit already?

  • +1

    But as you know all contactless (Visa payWave) purchases are limited to $99.99, how can you buy "a Woolworths single load prepaid Mastercard with a monetary value of $500 from [your] local supermarket" ?

    • By buying 5 x $99 gift cards and 1 x $5 gift card with paywave (individually), then combining them to pay for the prepaid card.

      • You have done this?

    • as OP states, you need to buy multiple WW/Wish/Big W gift cards (of $99 each)…and then use these to load value onto the card.

      Although I'm wondering whether they allow you to load up the card using gift cards - the site states: "At the check-out, ask to load money onto the card. You can load anything from AUD $20 up to $1,000 by presenting cash or your EFTPOS or Debit card."

      OP have you tried your method successfully? :)

  • +1

    Hmm I've found in the past when loading Woolworths Prepaid Mastercard's that you can only select 'Savings' and not 'Credit' to fund the transaction. Furthermore, I was unable to use my credit card to buy credit for the card.

    Not sure if it works with Paywave and Visa Debit though.

  • +2

    Have you actually tried this, or is this just your theory?

  • +5

    It's an interesting theory but as mentioned above you may not be able to load the card using gift cards. To expand on your example, you can go through an infinite loop by puchasing Woolworths gift cards using Entertainment Book/RACV,
    then buy the WW prepaid MC using purchased 5% wish gift card,
    then purchase 5% off wish cards using WW prepaid MC,
    then use wish cards to buy ww prepaid MC,….repeat etc.

    • +4

      The FAQ says it all…. http://everydaygiftcards.com.au/FAQ

      11 What can my Gift Card not be used for or to purchase?
      Gift Cards cannot be used to make credit card payments or other transaction account deposits.

      Gift Cards cannot be used to load funds onto a Woolworths Everyday Money Pre-Paid MasterCard.

      Gift Cards cannot be used to load funds onto a Woolworths Everyday Money Re-loadable Pre-Paid MasterCard.

      Essentials Cards and Groceries Only Cards cannot be used to purchase Alcohol, Tobacco Products or Gift Cards.

      Gift Cards are non-refundable folllowing the loading of funds onto the card. Gift Cards cannot be exchanged for cash. Cash cannot be withdrawn from the available balance of a Gift Card.

      • +2

        Gift Cards cannot be used to load funds onto a Woolworths Everyday Money Re-loadable Pre-Paid MasterCard.

        pretty much voids the deal

  • -1

    Loading a Mastercard debit card by using a credit card is akin to cash advance isn't it?

    • The theory is to use the PayWave debit card to buy multiple gift cards (under $100) (or just buy 5% off Woolies giftcard) & use the giftcards to load the Woolies single load Mastercard (which attracts a $3.95 fee) so you can buy from stores without Paywave reader (as long as you load with a lot over $79 to recoup the fee, before you save any money & as long as merchant does not charge a CC fee)… I'm exhausted thinking about it.

      Pity it was only a theory.

  • Are theories now bargains on OzBargain?

  • +1

    i don't quite understand …does this mean e.g. buy a $1000 prepaid mastercard and ask the checkout staff to split they payment up by $99 to be able to do the pay wave multiple times to pay for the $1000 card?

    …does paywave work multiple times for the same card in the same transaction? i haven't tried yet, but would be an obvious security risk to allow that (if paywave card is stolen)

  • -1

    What if you buy this?
    http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/88888

    Hmmm probably wouldn't work — I doubt that you could use paywave to charge a prepaid visa debit card

    • That deal is unpublished!

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