Found the deal this morning with a small discount, so pulled the trigger and treated myself to a Xmas gift.
Surcharges: 1.2% card & PayPal, 2% AmEx.
Free shipping excludes WA, NT & remote areas.
Seems to be in stock at most Centrecom stores.
Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB GDDR6 Graphics Card $679 + Delivery ($0 with Account/ C&C) + Surcharge @ Centre Com
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Great card for the money
Not really - it's the absolute worst time to buy an RDNA3 card
The RDNA4 8800 XT - now renamed the 9070 XT because AMD are going full NVIDIA-Lite - being announced next month actually brings the generational performance increase that AMD failed to deliver with the 7800 XT
9070 XT = 7900 GRE / 7900 XT raster + beyond 7900 XTX RT/AI @ same 260W TDP as this 7800 XT
If you are going off rumours about performance of the 9070 XT then you should also consider the rumours of it's launch price.
At $600-650 USD, the launch price for 9070 XT will negate the "performance increase" based on per dollar value. Given the history of GPU launches and pricing over the last 4 years, I think it's a better strategy to just get a card when it is a great deal.
The days of waiting for new launches to reliably reduce current gen GPU prices or providing better value is probably gone and I wouldn't bet on it anymore.
As you correctly noted, AMD under delivered on claimed performance of RDNA3, so we should have a dose of skepticism with the claimed performance of the upcoming RDNA4 architecture too.
At $600-650 USD, the launch price for 9070 XT…
AMD Jack is on the record that RDNA4 is about chasing market share
"So, think about price point-wise; we'll have leadership"
7800 XT launch pricing was $500 USD
Finally someone who gets it.
I've even seen people say "hodl for 5090" on 4060 deals, lol.
They've already introduced the healthy dose of reality in recent data.
If they price 64 CU RDNA4 above $499 Intel will spin up their B7xx lineup and attack. NVIDIA will do the same with the RTX 5070 and any leftover 4070 Reg/Super/Ti cards.
February is going to be amazing for gamers.
I suspect the 8800XT will cost near $1000 Aus at launch
@dexx: Given the dollar is getting hammered on global markets, you could technically be right as an upper limit, but bit of a pyrrhic victory, no?
9070 XT will 100% be around $1000 at launch if we are lucky. Most likely more :) its performance should be around a 7900XT/XTX
GRE max for raster, XTX/4070 Ti max for RT. Probably still lagging behind for PT, FSR4 months away and still sitting behind DLSS and XeSS.
Pricing will be nothing like that, it would be DoA against the 40 series, everyone would just buy a 4070 Super.
Max 9070 XT launch price matches the 7800 XT launch - USD $500 / AUD $800
7900 GRE has already been cleared out locally at $800 to vacate the spot
Value equations are simple:
Good buy: if it delivers +30% raster to match the 7900 XT
Mid buy: +20% raster to sit between the 7900 GRE and 7900 XT
Poor buy: +10% raster to match the 7900 GREAny improvements in RT/AI/FSR 4/power consumption are icing on top because by now, no one takes AMD's claims on software development seriously
If AMD Jack goes aggressive as he has openly stated and hits USD $450 / AUD $730, good luck to everyone buying on this deal
It'll be twice the price for 20% gain. Usual overpriced market for everything. Where do you draw the line? Hodl for the rest of your life.
So annoying Adobe are obsessed with Nvidia GPUs.
90%+ of the dGPU market is NV so why wouldn't you be "obsessed" with what your customers actually use?
Your beef is actually with AMD and why after 2 years of RDNA3 availability, they could not bother allocating a team of software engineers to work with Adobe to optimise hardware acceleration
AMD have failed with ROCm which is still not officially supported on this 7800 XT, under-delivered on FSR 3 and now promised big with "AI enabled" FSR 4
It's actually less than 90%. Steam and puget shows downward trend in nvidia sales.
Adobe at the moment fully supports all modern AMD cards, depending on your budget, may be better value.
Currently using a AMD 6900xt and have no issues in LR and Photoshop, however for videos, ended up buying a Intel a380 just to decode 10bit 422 videos which both amd and NVIDIA doesn't support.
ok its 84% that doesnt make it better, are you AMD PR or something?
@Freestyle: Lol - wish I was PR or sponsored - maybe get some free GPU in this economy.
Rather provide a fair perspective than let people keep painting NVIDIA as the dominant option. Yes they own the high-end market at the market, but as long as people give AMD or Intel as an option, we'll have competition.
There was also a circulation of articles in the past weeks saying NVIDIA had 90%+ market share purely based on AIB shipped - which doesn't actually depict the true users of GPU, just shipping numbers. It was also during the time that the 50xx series are coming out, so of course manufacturers where shipping all the old stock of NV out.
tempting… will this be any good for 4k on a c4 42 oled?
I have an ex-mining 6800XT (so very similar to a 7800XT with 7800xt being better at RT and about 5-10% better in some games) and my rig is connected to a 50inch 4k sammy tv 120hz and all runs well, i typically try and run 4k if the game can hit around 60-80fps, i mainly play single player story driven games so i don't try to hit the ultra high frame rates (like right now i get about 70 with indiana jones on 4k native). It's good value for money but you can also wait about 2 weeks and see what the next batch of cards can do and what the pricing may be.
Thanks for that, im very tempted. just thinking if i should get a triple fan model as my i9 12900ks runs hot as it is. gigabytes variant is about $30 more for the extra fan.
you mean your setup runs hot or just your CPU? i have a dual fan in an ITX build and it runs around 70-75c so no issue's for me. This won't really affect your CPU temps if your worried that it'll pump more hot air into the case. I can't speak about this exact model or if the 3rd fan makes a big difference (i would say the larger heat sink is most likely what has more of an affect than the 3rd fan :)..) and if the cooler is biggere then it's probably worth $30 for that piece of mind.
@scud70: the setup runs warm but the main cause is the cpu i think. im right next to my pc most of the days so trying to keep it running as cool as possible. Ill do a bit more research to see what runs cooler. i think ill grab one i dont even really game. i just want cad to run smoother.
@bob98: hmmm i'm actually not at all sure about how good AMD gpu's are with CAD, can only really comment on the gaming stuff, maybe confirm this will improve your CAD work before pulling the trigger.
Yep. Running 4K gaming flawlessly on my C7T
I'm guessing it's not suitable for Tensorflow right? Can someone recommend me a decent card that's fitting for my needs? Casual gaming and machine learning
Tensorflow
Either new or used:
4060 Ti 16GB
4070 Ti 16GB
4080 16GB
3090 24GB
4090 24GB
6000 48GB
6000 Ada 48GBThanks.
Budget is around $800. Reckon that's not much, for an nvidia card right?consider the RTX 4070 around $829. It offers great gaming performance and CUDA compatibility for machine learning tasks.
@Lesco Brandon: Also models like VRAM right? So potential for the 4060 ti to be better than a 4070 for cheaper? (With worse gaming) Depending on priorities
@DuckWearingTopHat: RTX 4060 Ti is a decent option for casual gaming and machine learning, but its 8GB VRAM limits larger workloads and future-proofing. The RTX 4070, with 12GB VRAM and better performance, is worth stretching your budget slightly if you want stronger gaming and TensorFlow capabilities especially if you budget is around $800 mark.
@FrugalAmac: Yeah I forgot the 8GB 4060ti existed definitely meant the 16GB model that's still a touch cheaper 4070
$800 can you get the new 4060 Ti with plenty of change to spare
All other cards would be used
Reckon that's not much, for an nvidia card right?
Yes that's chump change for NV when you consider the 5090 32GB will be $4K AUD
Better choice will be a second hand 3090 or ti.
@couger: Hard to find second hand 3090s for $800 these days, let alone a Ti. But agreed that's a great option for the usecase.
I was waiting for the 'XFX Quicksilver Radeon RX 7800 XT Magnetic Air' to go down in price but it's out of stock and has increased in price twice now. I'm so overdue for a card I'm thinking I'll do the same and pick this card up.
Thanks OP, bought 1
Been using Nitro+ 7800xt for half a year now, haven't been disappointed running at 1440
I don't care about RT, therefore not a problem for me
Yep. I now game at 1440P without RT and the 7800 XT is a beast so far. Upgraded from a GTX 1060 6gb, so it was a MASSIVE improvement for me and I have zero regrets.
I recently purchased the Gigabyte Gaming OC 7800 XT and can confirm it's an awesome card and great value for anything under the $700 mark. I paid $729 during black friday and I'm still happy with the price despite the same card now being available for $699 from Centrecom. I'd recommend the gigabyte 3 fan design for an extra $20, but either way it is a great purchase!!
haven't done this in a while but started compiling performance and price data for GPU's in prep for the next batch coming out next year. You can find hit here - https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/47948/118675/20241227-… . I might recreate the old table too, but for now here is the graph showing this GPU and value. Pretty good IMO if RT performance and missing out on DLSS 3 isn't a show stopper. The next best bet the 4070 super and that was a historic low here - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/881535 in Nov.
4070 Super 12GB being within 5% value of this 7800 XT says it all
With NV you get driver support, CUDA, proper ML/Tensorflow support, DLSS, RTX acceleration in content creation apps, resale value etc
The 7800 XT is now only a deal for $600 or less
cheapest 4070 super I can find in stock right now is $900 though, which has the $ per frame at $15, compared to the $11.91 of this deal. If the $748 4070 Super was the norm or even repeatable I would agree.
cheapest 4070 super I can find in stock right now is $900 though…
So what's the logic behind using the lowest price over the rolling last 2 months?
Based on what you just said, wouldn't the chart be more accurate and useful if it reflected only currently available pricing?
AMD are announcing their new cards in less than 2 weeks….why wouldn't you just wait to see what the prices are ? considering they're focusing on low to midgrange with RDNA4 you could probably have got the 9070XT with for not much more with a decent performance uplift. at the very least the 7800xt will loose its value within 2 weeks and drop in price. not the best time to buy lol
My thought process around this is:
- There's rarely a perfect time to buy
- Upgrading from a 1080ti, so thinking I'd likely get back at least a couple of hundred bucks
- If tariffs come into effect immediately when Trump is back in office, expect to pay a lot more from Q1 regardless
- I game a few times a year with a list of games to get through from 5+ years ago (yet to really play GTA V gives an indication of my commitment)
Can you clarify how US import tarifs increase the price elsewhere? Is ut because Nv will set retail prices with tariffs included and the rest of the world will just use the diff for bigger margins?
A short simple answer is the effects of these tariffs are inflationary, and the consumers will bear the brunt of these costs passed on from producers.
Nvidia along with every other US based company will use the rest of the world to subsidize the cost of the US tariffs for the benefit of US consumers and to make their US product launch prices look better. They are offsetting the costs to the global market. sux but thats business. The end of the day the people pay for them.. NOT the countries or companies. its an inflationary policy and trump doesn't get it.
@vid_ghost: No, globally consumers will have to bear the brunt if they have to move production facilities, but companies have already been planning for that since the last time Trump did this.
With silicon fabs spinning up in non-Asian countries (eg. TSMC Arizona) and Taiwanese GPU makers happily moving facilities to other countries, Biden and the EU helped make the tariffs mean something.
There may still be an impact, but once the US GPU market softened post-crypto, we weren't impacted.
AI cycle has already stabilised from a consumer GPU perspective.
@jasswolf: TSMC Can't Legally Make 2 nm Chips in the US Yet, Latest Nodes Must Remain in Taiwan
https://www.techpowerup.com/328663/tsmc-cant-legally-make-2-…
Its the way they will insure the US comes to their aid vs China - Taiwan's silicon shield
Taiwan's semiconductor industry is known as its "silicon shield" because it's thought to protect Taiwan from Chinese aggression and disruption to global supply chains:
https://thediplomat.com/2024/09/silicon-shield-2-0-a-taiwan-…@vid_ghost: What does 2nm have to do with a desktop chip design? TSMC 2nm doesn't even ramp for phone production until a year from now. Desktop gear is now on the node behind because of the trade off between price/yield and power early on in a process, not to mention the sheer demand for phones versus desktop or even enterprise.
3nm is the next stop for NVIDIA designs, enterprise kicking off late next year. Desktop designs are largely unhindered by any such agreement, but it again comes back to how production and assembly for the rest of the card is setup, with assembly site being the key concern.
Trump cannot outpace an RTX 5070 launch, and plenty of companies had contingency plans for this.
Minor shock for the rest of the world compared to last time, which was also crypto related.
This… for the love of all that is good in the world wait 11 days.
60ish people need to hand in their OzB membership and Google the most basic questions.
To be honest, I've just been conditioned by "current era" GPU launches, where new products seem to cause very little price pressure on current / now-previous gen parts compared to what I was previously used to for like 15 years.
Anyone who doesn't really need a new GPU should probably still wait regardless, but I wouldn't agonize over the idea that someone may or may not be missing out on $30-50 savings on a $700 purchase by choosing not to wait for two weeks. If the new cards immediately create a $100+ saving I'll give you a virtual cookie though.
You could have bought a 4070 Super for $750 last month, which is a much better gaming card going into the future for the 1440p/4K gamer presumably eyeing this off.
The 5070 will produce 4070 Ti to 4070 Ti Super numbers barely above these prices, likely with new features.
The lack of raytracing and AI acceleration performance in this card make it dead in the water, and that's not likely to change much - if at all - with FSR4.
As if NVIDIA being at 90% market share didn't already communicate that information…
You could have bought a 4070 Super for $750 last month
The more common sale price seems to be about $850, with the $750 deal being an outlier which I think makes $750 an unfair comparison to use here.
The lack of raytracing and AI acceleration performance in this card make it dead in the water
Based on Techspot / Hardware Unboxed's evaluations it seems like RT is still like 90% marketing vs 10% actually making for better experiences, since most games that implement it don't actually look better with it enabled, but it still costs non-trivial performance in all the game implementations where it does (written version of second video).
Unless you do "AI stuff", the only common use case I'm aware of for "AI cores" is DLSS (if I've missed something common feel free to mention it though!). While DLSS is better than FSR / secondary (? I forgot the right term for this) XeSS, I'm pretty skeptical about paying more than 5% extra for just that, given that not all games support it. I'd say having CUDA and NVENC is a bigger selling point than better RT / AI but maybe we have difference feature biases based on differing personal experiences — and both of those features are still somewhat niche in that I expect less than 10% of users would benefit enough from them to justify paying a premium to get them.
The 5070 will produce 4070 Ti to 4070 Ti Super numbers barely above these prices
We don't know that until we see performance numbers and (more importantly) retail prices — though it's obviously possible. Leaks that I see from searching "rtx 5070 MSRP" are suggesting $599 USD as the lowest expected MSRP for the 5070, so I think you might be being a bit optimistic when saying "barely above these prices". There's also a recent 9070 XT benchmark that shows somewhat disappointing performance compared to previous expectations, though if the price is right I guess that won't really matter.
@MHLoppy: You lost me when you wanted to dismiss comparing two ATL sales directly, but let's try this anyway:
Based on Techspot / Hardware Unboxed's evaluations it seems like RT is still like 90% marketing
Go look up what NRC is, and recognise HWU missed a very important step in the RT/PT render process: resampling/radiance caching techniques. Unbelievably poor technical video from them, which is par for the course: they're benchmarkers/reviewers and pixel peepers.
Your hand waving away of AI performance is funny considering the same video you're referencing praises it, and the lossy/low integer maths involved are perfect to make real time graphics more powerful while being visually indistinguishable enough of the time.
Shader based solutions are crap, and FSR is arguably the crappiest of the modern ones.
NVENC falls behind QSV in current gen GPUs, but that could easily flip between 50 series and/or a new SDK.
The 5070 is using a smaller chip on what is now a cheaper process that in turn will now have a slightly cheaper method for using that process.
I've already mentioned the AMD benchmarks in another post in this comment tree: it's behaving like a 4070 Ti with poorer upscaling and AI enhancement/acceleration.
Please do more research/reading, and dump the silly initial premise.
@jasswolf: Well, I was trying to have a good faith discussion with a peer, but it's kinda feeling like that's not what you're after here. I just spent another half-hour reading about NRC and thoughtfully responding to the points you raised, but the further I went through your comment the less it seemed like you were discussing things in good faith so what's even the point? I'll leave my response about the deal pricing but other than that it seems like a waste of time for anyone else reading the comments. Very little of what you've brought up in your most recent comment is actually directly relevant to the discussion I thought we were having.
You lost me when you wanted to dismiss comparing two ATL sales directly
This deal is currently still available is the reason that they're different lol. If that 4070 Super deal was still active then it would totally make sense to compare the two. Since it's not, the comparison should be "currently-available-deal (this one) vs likely-future-deal", which means $850, not $750. Seems like the sensible thing to me - not sure why you find that so contentious here?
@MHLoppy: I wouldn't bother with him MHLoppy. Back in July on another 7800 XT deal, he claimed that the 5080 will be "available in 3 months".
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/855406#comment-15479440
Yeah. I can only hope no poor sods have listened to his "well researched" advice and waited, hoping they would get it by October.
@2-1: Things change, and that can impact other plans.
There were rumours at that time, but there were no specifics until that report. Even then, it seemed to be a larger than life tale, but it turned out they did have to switch to monolithic Blackwell for enterprise, which gobbled up the 3 months of orders planned for the 50 series.
It's since been revealed that NVIDIA's AI labs out of India have been testing RTX 50 designs since June or July, but I can't find the source off-hand.
Well, I was trying to have a good faith discussion with a peer
With respect - given you are at least having a go - you've demonstrated that you are not my peer on this subject, and you've openly said with respect to numerous technologies involved that you don't know anything. It's not a fun thing to point out, but I need to be clear with you and for others reading this.
As for the notion of a good faith discussion, that's today often the cry of a redditor - or far worse actors on the internet - who felt they were the font of all knowledge prior to an exchange. In terms of a well-meaning discussion seeking to respectfully canvas verifiable facts and reasonable speculation, I am absolutely acting in good faith, unlike @Dan24 who I apparently live in the head of, rent-free.
Very little of what you've brought up in your most recent comment is actually directly relevant to the discussion I thought we were having.
I directly addressed the concerns I had with your comments, though I didn't mention CUDA is a boon to NVIDIA. Of course it is. Satisfied?
AI is an absolute boon for NVIDIA consumers and for general enterprise. 80% of the world's internet traffic is video streaming… Netflix and Youtube already rely on an AI compression pass for their offline encoding, and they alone make up 25-30% of all internet traffic. Piracy is probably the next one on the list, and it's my understanding it's in the mix there too.
AI compression and decompression/upscaling/interpolation have an enormous role to play in freeing up internet traffic for new use cases and more people.
You may not like ChatGPT, and its usefulness is middling, but that is one execution of one application of a broad set of mathematical solves that deliver good to great results far cheaper computationally than before and thus economically/environmentally also.
This deal is currently still available is the reason that they're different lol. If that 4070 Super deal was still active then it would totally make sense to compare the two. Since it's not, the comparison should be "currently-available-deal (this one) vs likely-future-deal", which means $850, not $750. Seems like the sensible thing to me - not sure why you find that so contentious here?
No it's not sensible, because the notion here was that people should be capable of being more discerning, asking simple questions, and planning accordingly. You spent 3 times as much time and energy 'discussing' with me than most would need to discover the information they needed from this website, from news articles and from wikipedia what they needed to know to wait 10.5 days, or that 28% off a 4070 Super is a very good deal.
You created a strawman argument you believed you could win. You did not.
You'll pay $1300+ for 20% gain. If you're happy to wait till Feb and want the latest then go for it.
Bought the tuf about 18 months ago, unreal card at this price
I've got an "old" gsync hardware monitor (Asus pg271q IIRC), someone push me over the edge to buy this. Am I going to have issues with my monitor not being freesync as well? On a scale of 1 to screen ripped in half, where am I at 🤣
:) wait until next month for new GPU's maybe?
the old girl, gtx970 has gone this long, whats another month or 10
WOW a GTX970 to a RX7800XT is like a 500% upgrade haha
More cards should have red accents. In my mind, the black + red combo can't be beat. My old MSI 1070 had that colour combo, and it looked sweet as.
Yeah, I had one of those and it looked great.
Not a bad deal, i bought it at MSY in Sep 24 for $719. I think it's one of the best card in terms of price/performance
this or a 2 month old 7900xt 20gb? for 850
2nd hand market is full of deal opportunities but is not without issues. I'd go 7900xt second hand myself (as an expert user) and buyers should be aware this is great way to buy a dud.
Always ask for a genuine local invoice in the used market. If they don't have then run
Whether this is a good deal or not depends on whether you want ray tracing or not. The next gen will have 3x+ performance in ray-tracing, but currently for the amount of money, this is not a bad deal otherwise, though it will likely be more discounted after CES.
Saw someone selling two of these for $400 brand new on eBay probably a scam though. All time low was apparently $629, so I don't think this is worth it, if all of us don't buy their stock it will pressure them to lower prices further, especially with arrival of a new generation.
Great card for the money. I've got the Asus TUF version and love it. 16GB VRAM is a no brainer.