Tailgating a Tailgater - Am I The As-Hole?

So I saw this SUV on the passing right lane was getting tailgated by a Honda Civic (the one with those weird amber lights permanently on on the side, as if it's a truck or something), and it happened for a long time. The Civic driver was flashing his lights as well.

The SUV driver got the message and indicated left, but there was a car on the left side so they couldn't switch lanes… So they kept on going… And eventually when there was space to get out of the lane, they probably thought "f it, I'm gonna stay". The civic was continually tailgating and flashing.

I'm not a fan of tailgaters, I hate them especially when you are driving at the speed limit. (Driving at the speed limit on the passing / right lane is a different story but anyway…) So after watching this from behind, I thought "f this tailgator", switched lanes, and eventually tailgated the tailgator, flashing included. Civic was now sandwiched. Civic tried to brake check me, but I wasnt fazed.

The civic driver at this point could have easily just switched lanes to the left, but chose to stay.

Tailgating a tailgator - does this make me an as hole, or does two wrongs make a right?

Poll Options Mon, 31/03/2025 - 00:00

  • ?
    Tailgating a tailgator is and exception and ok
  • ?
    Tailgating a tailgator is still wrong

Comments

  • +50

    You're certainly no vigilante hero.

  • -8

    How do you know the 'tailgater' wasn't trying to alert the 'tail-gatee' of some doomsday scenario that needed them to stop?

    • Maybe that was it.

      We'll be turned into char

      Were you the 'tailgater'?

      Victoria turns to ash

  • +19

    GTFO out the right lane if you'ren't overtaking

    The civic driver at this point could have easily just switched lanes to the left, but chose to stay.

    frustratingly the second you start switching lanes to pass on the left they decide to get out the right lane or they get confused and suddenly dont know who wants to go where.

    • Only if the speed limit exceeds 80 or there is a keep left unless overtaking sign. Anywhere else you can drive in the right lane.

      • +27

        While that's the law, it's still a dick move to sit in the right lane doing under the speed limit causing other traffic to have to try and weave between lanes to get anywhere.

          • +26

            @lunchbox99: Imagine bragging about using no common courtesy

            • -5

              @timthetoolman: Imagine making up laws and etiquette in your head and expecting other people to adhere to it

              • @lunchbox99:

                Imagine making up laws and etiquette in your head and expecting other people to adhere to it

                Just because something is lawful, doesn’t mean it is the safest option.

                It’s called common sense.
                But it is clear you don't know what that is…

                • -2

                  @El cheepo: Just because you wish something is true, doesn’t mean it is. There is nothing unsafe about driving in the right lane.

                  If you think there is perhaps you should hand your licence in and catch a bus. You just sit there and stare out the window. Something a little more within your capability.

                  My only regret is I can’t collect all your tears for my washer fluid to spray you with as you angrily gesticulate behind me.

                  • -5

                    @lunchbox99: Where did i say i tail gate people or condone it?

                    I drive more kilometres in a year or two than you probably will have in your life.

                    If you think obeying the rules down to the letter of the law will keep you safe, good luck.

                    Sure, while everyone is playing by the rules you will be fine.
                    But one day, you will piss the wrong person off and get the joy of being “right” but dead or injured.

                    You are in a sheltered world if you think there is no danger to ignoring the potentially drug affected/psychotic people behind you.

                    There are more of them than you think on our roads…

                    • -3

                      @El cheepo: I absolutely love when people on the internet make baseless assumptions about random people they don’t know. It shows a commitment to logical thought.

                      If people start killing people on the road because they (gasp) drove in the right lane in a 60 zone, then that person is mentally unstable and should be in prison. It’s frankly weird that you are apparently supportive of these people.

                      And stop crying, my washer fluid reservoir is overflowing from this thread.

                      • +2

                        @lunchbox99:

                        I absolutely love when people on the internet make baseless assumptions about random people they don’t know.

                        What is the baseless assumption?
                        I am 99.99% sure you don’t drive 150xxx-250xxx per year otherwise you would understand how dangerous people on the road could be.

                        It shows a commitment to logical thought.

                        Thanks

                        If people start killing people on the road because they (gasp) drove in the right lane in a 60 zone, then that person is mentally unstable and should be in prison.

                        Ah yes, the point seems to have alluded you again.
                        But it is not surprising. How can someone with no common sense see beyond their own perspective 😂

                        Im not saying you will be murdered for it, im saying if someone is up you butt flashing their lights and gesticulating - the wise course of action is to get out of their way. You don’t know what is going on in their heads or what they are capable of.
                        I have personally seen several serious road rage incidents in situations that could have been avoided.

                        It’s frankly weird that you are apparently supportive of these people.

                        Again, i am not supporting them. I am supporting self preservation.

                        • -7

                          @El cheepo: well now your making up scenarios. Should I also get out of the way if they are hanging out the windows firing shotguns at my car? Should I get out of the way if they are driving the war rig from mad max fury road and closing fast?

                          We are talking about normal driving and an imaginary obligation to not drive in the right lane when legally allowed to. I drive every day in peak hour in a metro area and I see zero evidence that people don't drive in the right lane when legally allowed to. I'm not sure where the hell you people drive but it must be a magical place devoid of traffic but full of dual lane roads.

                          You should make a sign saying "stop driving in the right lane" and go stand beside any major dual lane road in a metro area to educate people. lfmao.

                          • +8

                            @lunchbox99: You are the one bragging about how much joy it gives you to annoy road ragers.

                            I am simply warning you to be careful.

                            As i said, i have personally witnessed several avoidable road rage incidents escalate to violence and or property damage.

                            But your head is so far up your own a.. in the sand you can’t see any viewpoint other than your own.

                            After reading your views and replies though, i am now semi convinced that you may in fact be one of those unstable motorists just waiting to snap 😂

                            • -4

                              @El cheepo: I'm obeying the road rules and traffic laws. You're the one getting upset about it.

                              I think you're projecting. You are trying to justify why you road rage against people obeying the law. Get over yourself.

                              • -1

                                @lunchbox99: Lol.

                                Perhaps reading and understanding is not your forte.

                        • -6

                          @El cheepo: It's a baseless assumption because you have no idea how much I drive. Maybe I say I drive double what you drive. See how easy it is to make baseless claims about people you don't know.

                          • +1

                            @lunchbox99: Do you drive 150xxx-250xxxkms a year?

                            I do.

                            That is not a normal amount.

                            The average person does 10xxx-20xxxkm per year

                            Now explain to me how it is baseless?
                            Its called an educated guess.

                              • +3

                                @lunchbox99: If you drove more, then you wouldn’t be as naive as you are.

                                Your arguments are embarrassing.

                                The only thing your into is making a fool
                                of yourself.

                      • @lunchbox99:

                        If people start killing people on the road because they (gasp) drove in the right lane in a 60 zone,

                        The side effect of this happening decades ago in LA was that all of a sudden practically all the (profanity) drivers that the city is famous for became incredibly polite and gave way.

                • @El cheepo: Just because something is lawful, doesn’t mean it is the safest option.
                  So who's fault is that ? Certainly not your fellow road user !

                  • @Murkymerv: What is the question or reference in relation to?

                    My statement means - just because you are legally able to do something, doesn’t mean you should.

                    Lunchbox is just a typical arrogant road used that has never seen or experienced what an unpredictable loony is capable of and his day may or may not come where he FAFO.

                    • @El cheepo: Your obviously not from 3064 , if you were , you'd think differently.

                  • -3

                    @Murkymerv: its truly disturbing how many people claim to be unable to maintain safety if driving in a right lane. Go surrender your licence if this is too much for you.

              • -1

                @lunchbox99: Maybe one day if you're caught in a fire everyone just follows the "law" and stands there and watches or walks off cause there is no "law" they need to try and save you you'll realise a society shouldn't need "laws" for everything and people can do considerate things for others.

                • -2

                  @Pufff: I follow the road rules. You want to obey bizarre arbitrary made up rules, then go ahead. I don't care.

                  Your tears fill my washer fluid and your anger makes me so happy. I just wish I could spray them in your face when you're having a cry behind me while I'm obeying the law.

          • @lunchbox99: Its not just a dick movd, if there is noone in the left lane and you arent turning right soon, youre in a position where your blindspot is increased. Having cars pass on your right is better becasue they are easier to see.

              • +2

                @lunchbox99: People who stay in the lane 'because screw you' are the ones who obviously struggle to change lanes and should be handing in their licence. The ones that change lanes immediately they enter a new road and then turn right in 4 blocks.

                • -1

                  @Euphemistic: It’s not because screw you. It’s because it’s the law. You are explicitly allowed to drive in the right lane.

                  Your imaginary set of rules simply don’t exist anywhere except in your head.

                  • +1

                    @lunchbox99: "You are explicitly allowed to drive in the right lane"
                    To an extent that is correct, but also in Victoria:

                    When driving on any multi-lane road with a speed limit over 80km/h, you must keep out of the right lane unless either:

                    you are overtaking or turning right
                    all lanes are congested.
                    
                    • +4

                      @Ocker: Yes that was my first comment that now has multiple downvotes. It is literally the road rule adopted by all states.

                      To clarify, I'm not talking about driving in the right lane at any time. I said unless those conditions apply you are allowed to drive in the right lane eg in a 40-80 zone without a keep left unless overtaking sign.

        • -1

          And who said anything about sitting under the speed limit. You just added that for dramatic effect.

          • @lunchbox99:

            laughing at your angry entitled face

            That says it all. If its a 60 zone, and someone is getting angry at you for being in the right lane theres two people who need to take a chill pill.

            Change lanes, its not hard.

            • -1

              @Euphemistic: Nope. Inventing your own rules and expecting others to follow them is a sign of mental illness.

              Hey I've just made up my own road rule that if we are on a single lane road and I want to get past you are obligated to pull over. if you don't follow this rule I just made up, you're being a dick. The police and courts won't enforce my rule, but nevertheless I fully expect everyone else to follow it. You see how crazy that sounds?

              I will follow the law. If you don’t like it, too bad.

              • @lunchbox99: Never said staying in the right is illegal. Its not illegal (under 80). Having people overtake on the left is less safe due to blindspots. Changing lanes isnt hard. Drive in the right if you want, just dont be a douche. Theres enough agro on the roads already.

                • +1

                  @Euphemistic: Not "under 80". it's under 90. You can drive in the right lane in an 80 zone unless signed otherwise.

        • +2

          While that's the law, it's still a dick move to sit in the right lane doing under the speed limit

          My problem with all drivers is entitlement. As long as a driver feels entitled they get into situations where it becomes personal to them.

          There are many legit reasons to sit in the right lane and being under the limit. Driving on an unfamiliar road expecting to turn right soon is one. The problem is if you feel entitled to drive on the right and be at limit to meet someone slower you’ll get agitated and things go downhill thereafter.

          So my advice is, the only rule to follow is the law, and don’t expect anything else.

        • +1

          Literally dumbest argument ever and all of you shitty drivers keep using it.

          You people all cry about people going under the limit which rarely happens but you're the ones that always exceed the speed limit. Next you'll cry the speedo isn't accurate to justify your speeding also.

          Just do the speed limit, not hard. No people don't have to keep left in roads 80km/h and under when it's not posted to do so.

      • +12

        Dunno why so many downvotes. I’m with you.

        If some idiot wants to do 70 or 80 in a 60 zone (and I’m doing 60 in the right lane) they can overtake me on the left. It’s probably more that I’m happy to inconvenience those who are speeding.

        Often the right lane has better road conditions too, especially in the inner city.

        • +2

          What gets me is this argument is demonstrably not even true.

          I have no idea where these people claim to be driving but you can go to a dual lane 60/70/80 kph zone anywhere in the country and cars are not only driving in the right lane, but cars are CONSTANTLY in the right lane. Traffic would be impossible if they weren't - that's why the road is 2 lanes each way.

          I mean any of these downvoters could literally go to their nearest 2 lane road right now and prove this to be the case.

          Honestly most of these people are road rage drama queens. They are simply justifying why they get so upset when people are obeying the road rules. People are not obligated to adhere to their bizarre internalised imaginary rules.

          • +10

            @lunchbox99: At least half the downvotes would be for yiur attitude. Yes, you are correct, its not illegal. But your attitude of finding joy in angry drivers just sucks.

            • @Euphemistic: Oh yeah I love it alright. I love minding my own business obeying road rules. It’s truly subversive.

              • +2

                @lunchbox99: Guided by your rules, it's perfectly fine and legal for everyone to call you an idiot. I bet you'd prefer they didn't however? And thus the point.

                Also pulling the "mental illness" attack on a forum is just an absolute shit tier act. Come on.

                • +4

                  @Typical16-bitEnjoyer:

                  absolute shit tier act

                  This very well may describe his whole personality.

                  Literally lashing out at everyone who is trying to suggest using common sense and principles along with the law.

                  He has zero willingness to comprehend that no one has been condoning bad / illegal driving.

                  “Law say me do this, me can do.”
                  ~lunchbox

                  • -1

                    @El cheepo: Exactly right. I will follow the road rules, and you weirdos can follow your arbitrary made up rules. I'm curious, do you all meet annually to agree on what these unwritten rules are?

                    Freaks.

                    • @lunchbox99: Nice to see the point go over your head once again.

                      Do you have a learning disability?

                      • -1

                        @El cheepo: What's your point. All I said is I follow the road rule that says you can drive in the right lane on a road under 90 as long is there is no keep left unless overtaking sign.

                        You weirdos then try to tell me I can't, or I shouldn't, and that I'm a dick if I do. Guess what I don't care what you say.

                        I do it and I will continue to do it. If you or anyone else road rages about it, they will be reported to the police using my 360 degree dashcam recording. So frankly your clandestine set of additional unofficial road rules mean exactly zero to me, and the police and the courts will agree.

                        • @lunchbox99: So, yes. You may in fact have a learning disability.
                          Or at least have trouble with basic comprehension.

                          I think the most entertaining thing about this whole thread is the absolute misguided rage that exists in you.

                          You are losing your mind at people repeatedly because you can’t read 😂

                          This is literally you:
                          Me drive right lane, me right, everyone else wrong and crazy/angry/bad drivers.

                          The failure to understand principles is astounding.

                          but at least is makes for golden entertainment.

                          • -1

                            @El cheepo: Your problem is you think you are the arbiter of road rules. News flash, you are not. Nobody cares what you think about this topic, despite your thinly veiled humble bragging about driving.

                            But you're right about the fact that I don't care what you think. You are wrong. If you were behind me in the right lane you would have to shake your little fist in my rear view mirror and I would laugh. And the more your little face goes red, the happier it will make me feel. lfmao.

                            Be sure to keep us all updated on any other unspoken weirdo rules you feel we should all follow because you said so.

                            • @lunchbox99:

                              Your problem is you think you are the arbiter of road rules.

                              Find in this post history where i specifically told you what you or anyone needs to do.

                              Nobody cares what you think about this topic,

                              You do. And it warms my heart.

                              despite your thinly veiled humble bragging about driving.

                              There is no bragging in stating i drive for work, its just a simple fact. I am more on the road and thus see a lot more things unfold than the average person might.

                              But you're right about the fact that I don't care what you think.

                              Hard disagree, you do or you wouldn’t keep coming back 😂

                              You are wrong.

                              You don’t know that, because clearly you have 0 reading comprehension ability.

                              If you were behind me in the right lane you would have to shake your little fist in my rear view mirror and I would laugh.

                              I don’t tailgate people and am a normal human. Im not on drugs or quickly prone to rage.
                              So, Why would i sit behind you shaking my fist?

                              And the more your little face goes red, the happier it will make me feel. lfmao.

                              You clearly are the angry one in this thread, lol.

                              Be sure to keep us all updated on any other unspoken weirdo rules you feel we should all follow because you said so.

                              If you ever break out of the psychotic episode / mental break down you are having, please be sure to look up what the difference between laws and principles is.

                              Xox

                              • -1

                                @El cheepo: I love you too. Have a great xmas.

                                Let me know when you're next in Brisbane and I'll try to manoeuvre my car in front of you.

                                • @lunchbox99:

                                  I'll try to manoeuvre my car in front of you.

                                  You would have to get in the left lane to do that.

                                  • -1

                                    @El cheepo: Ahh yes, the cuck lane.

                                    Well then I guess we are destined to never meet, like two ships passing in the night.

                • -1

                  @Typical16-bitEnjoyer: I couldn't care less what you think. Imaginary internet downvotes? Oh my stars!! Guess what, most people follow the road rules. You don't like it, tough. Just because you found 10 other freaks on ozbargain who agree with you.. .so what?

                  I'll follow the road rules, you weirdos can nod and wink at each other in acknowledgment of following some other set of made up road rules.

      • +2

        You forgot the part about built up traffic also allowing sitting in the right lane. Ignore the neggers mate, they probably failed their Ls test multiple times

      • +1

        Keep as left as practical at all times.

        • that is not the law, nor the road rules. But I'm glad you weirdos all obey this imaginary rule. Makes my life easier.

          • +1

            @lunchbox99: If you have the opportunity to, I think a trip to Japan will open your eyes to what a courteous society can actually achieve.

            • -1

              @SwarlesBarkley: I dunno Japan is notoriously xenophobic and they literally have segregated train cars due to sexual assaults on women. But sure, perfectly courteous.

              And who are you or any of these other muppets commenting here to decide what is and is not courteous driving. I follow the road rules. You follow your imagined nonsense if you want.

              • +1

                @lunchbox99: And technically it's not actually illegal to use those women-only trains in Japan; it's not against the law if you are a male and you use them.

                Frowned upon of course, but not illegal.

                I guess that does raise the hypothetical - since it's not illegal, would you consider using the women-only carriage if they were noticeably emptier than the other ones?

                • -1

                  @SwarlesBarkley: a) nice try pivoting from your previous comment they are so courteous BS. You just dropped that like a stone didn't you.

                  b) this is not remotely the same as driving legally in a right lane. The train company is asking you to not use it according to their rules. It's like a business putting a female sign on a toilet. They are saying it is women only, and even if it's not a law they are explicitly asking men to not use it.

                  Please show me where in Australia the government has erected signs asking people to not use the right lane? Oh that's right they actually do EXACTLY that and it's part of the road rules. They put up a keep left unless overtaking sign if they want to prevent right lane driving where it would normally be permitted. In situations where they haven't put up this sign, they are implicitly telling you that you can drive in the right lane due to the absence of the sign combined with the road rule.

                  Nice try. Zero points for effort.

                  • @lunchbox99: Mate if that's your view on Japanese people then you're free to believe it; I'm not here to try and change your opinion but I can only speak from my experiences of going there multiple times over the past few years. They are by far the most courteous society I have ever experienced in my travels and I don't exactly think I am alone in that opinion.

          • @lunchbox99: It may not be the law but it’s a nice common courtesy.

            • -1

              @Brick Tamland: I literally have no idea where you guys claim to be driving. I just drove the length of Ipswich road in Brisbane this morning. There is absolutely no way that road could function if people did not drive in the right lane. There are 100 roads just like it in Brisbane metro area.

              In any case, the claim that this is how most people drive is demonstrably not true. You don't have to take my word, you can go out right now and observe it.

              • @lunchbox99: Very true. Helps reduce congestion to use both lanes. It’s definitely a case of using personal judgment. When it’s busy there is no point. People just need to be patient. If the road is quiet then maybe more discretion can be applied.

          • @lunchbox99: It was one of the compulsory questions when doing the test for my learners permit.

  • +58

    When it comes to stupidity on the roads, the best thing to do is put distance between you and stupid.

    You will forget all about it in 5 mins,

    • +17

      Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.

    • The roads would be empty.

    • +1

      Agreed. Say if you think you're teaching the tailgater a lesson by tailgating them and then the person at the front needs to do a quick stop - tailgater rams into them, you ram into the tailgater.

      Not worth it!

      Also IMO I don't get why anyone needs to "teach someone else a lesson" - if they are arses the police will eventually find them, Yes you could argue that they may hurt or injure others before then, but there is no guarantee that they can be "taught a lesson" by a third party - so all you're really doing is endangering more people (than were originally endangered by the tailgater) for no valid reason.

      Keep distance from stupid people, bad drivers, angry drivers = increase the chances you get to the end of your journey in a safe condition. If everyone did this the roads would be far safer

  • -8

    An educated guess tells me the SUV did something wrong before OP came along.

  • +9

    Thats just plain stupid.
    What did you have to gain from it other than unnecessary anger and stress?

    You might have been NTAH while watching that scene unfold, but you became just another AH when you started doing it to the road rager.

  • +29

    You are even more stupid than the tailgater.

  • +3

    If you tailgate a tailgater, the number of tailgaters in the world still remain the same

    • +4

      Are you sure about that? Sounds like there is one more tailgater to me.

  • I'm not a fan of tailgaters, I hate them especially when you are driving at the speed limit.

    I hate it when you're going 20km above the speed limit and it's STILL not fast enough for them!

    • You gotta pump those numbers up mate, those are rookie numbers

  • +4

    I have to check my browser url that this is not reddit

  • +3

    If someone is tailgating you, the best thing to do is move over.

    Nothing good will ever come out of slowing down or brake checking.

    • What if you're already in the left lane doing the speed limit and the right lane is free?

      • -1

        Handbrake 180,exit vehicle drop and roll.Dust of clothes.Bow. Drop mike, and swagger off like a downtown pimp?

      • You pull over obviously. What else would you do?!

        • +1

          It's a cardigan, but thanks for noticing!

    • +1

      If someone is tailgating me I continue to do the speed limit and put on cruise control and relax.

  • +4

    What if the Honda Civic driver was doing it to the SUV because the SUV driver was a tailgater and they were just trying to get them back? You just tailgated an innocent person for no reason. 🤔

  • +15

    Youre not a cop. All you did was massively increase the chance of a crash.

    Let it go. Theres too mang idiots on the roads to get worked up about it.

  • +4

    Where do p[eople get this idiot idea that you can only pass on the right! Gees! It just creates this sort of aggro.

    Yes, you should move over to the left if its reasonably practicable, and are required to when the speed limit is more than 80. But if the person ahead of you can do it to get out of your way, you can move over to the left to pass them. The safest practice is NOT for you to get out of my way if I want to drive faster, it is you stay where you are and I'll take the action required to get around you. That's the way it is in racing, and its the same on the road.

    • +4

      Can't you read the room of expert wisdom?

      "There are 2 lanes, and they're both mine"

  • +6

    So much could have gone wrong (for you) for whatever little gain you hoped to achieve.

  • +2

    Yes. You're creating a more dangerous situation for everyone - Road rage, increased risk of collision, interrupting the flow of traffic, etc.

    Civic driver is a (profanity) - you could report them to the police assistance line if you feel strongly enough about their bad driving. And, maybe to the EPA if their car is loud.

  • +1

    The Civic driver wouldn't see that you are tailgating them because they do not check their mirrors.

    Best thing to do would be to box them in evil laugh

  • +9

    OP is a dick. Think getting involved in someone else’s road rage by stirring up the offender makes things right?

  • +4

    What you did was dangerous, illegal and an act of violence - "road rage." If you are into justice, of the non vigilante kind, dashcam the incident and send it to the cops.

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