How Are They Going to Prevent People under 18 from Accessing Social Media? (YouTube, Instagram, Tiktok etc)

harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 16:50
Last edited 12/12/2024 - 17:21

how do you think they will do it?

doesn't seem like a very easy thing to do. some of the solutions mentioned in previous comments make it sound too easy to get around the block (other apps, VPN etc).

if I had to guess they will use the front facing cameras of devices and with facial recognition they can accurately predict age (among many others thing I learned including gender, race, sexual orientation and political bias). it's not that unbelievable because they have already been using it in airports and shops for awhile now right (bunnings, Woolworths, coles etc). I am thinking this will have to be a inside OS thing so it can be updated and maintained automatically. it will drain your battery slightly quicker? too bad.

so it will be like this: you (grownup) are watching youtube on your ipad. you are recognised as grown up so no issues so far.

then your niece or nephew comes infront of the tablet screen and is instantly recognized as not a grown up. the video auto stops the entire iPad screen goes blurry with a youtube logo in the middle and a message says "please remove unauthorised viewers from your viscinity".

then you tell your niece to go away and as soon as they look away the video auto resumes. works the same way on insta and tiktok and maybe a list of websites you visit in a browser.

curious as to what you think and if you disagree comment how you think it will work.

General Discussion

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  • Dollar General on 12/12/2024 - 16:52
    +21

    Maybe like the alcohol and porn sites where you click to agree you’re over the age requirement

    • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 16:53
      -6

      how does that block them?

      isn't it meant to block access to "protect them" from social media.

      • Dollar General on 12/12/2024 - 16:53
        +10

        It was just some Thursday afternoon humour

      • JIMB0 on 12/12/2024 - 17:51
        +3

        It keeps the honest ones out.

        • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:53
          -4

          um so you mean majority will be entering false date of birth. just to buy something. and that those who would honestly enter their correct date of birth, would just give up and not enter anything (rather not access)?

          • serpserpserp on 14/12/2024 - 09:15

            @harshbdmmaster718: Mate why are you arguing with random on OZB about how this will work? They aren't the ALP.

            As you said, there is no perfect solution. But the government will start somewhere and go from there.

            Most likely what they'll do is fine Meta, X and the like until they change their systems to do better to protect kids from all the freaks and perps on the Internet.

    • JimmyF on 12/12/2024 - 18:39
      +20

      Did you see the cross examination, of why a gov ID is required to access YouTube, but pornhub just needs a "yes I'm over 18" button!?

      LOL this has nothing to do with protecting the kids.

      • simplystu on 12/12/2024 - 21:45
        -4

        alittle going off your OP topic …
        PH … mainly decided to NEG such ideas - as didn't suit their overall FINANCIAL basis going forward.

        I also BELIEVE that PH was bought out … acouple of years ago.
        This change of ownership also changed how they run things … (hence why the PH APP suddenly stopped working at exact same time).

        PH … have also Publicly stated that they won't go down that road …(of AU GOV ID).
        just saying !!!!

        • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 09:23
          +6

          PH … have also Publicly stated that they won't go down that road …(of AU GOV ID).

          So Facebook and Youtube just need to publicly state they won't go down that road too of AU GOV ID, and it won't happen?

          The fact that that Pornhub with 18+ content will be able to be accessed by a 10yo without any issues, but YouTube needs gov ID verification is just insane.

          So now the 10yo kids can't go to YouTube and watch Minecraft videos, but can go to pornhub and watch a gangbang video.

          • harshbdmmaster718 on 13/12/2024 - 16:34
            -1

            @JimmyF:

            but YouTube needs gov ID verification is just insane.

            this thread is old and almost dead so probably won't be replying to everything new, but according to a recent comment at the bottom with link Youtube isn't going to be on that list anymore.

            regarding PH. I'm guessing money talks? because PH is probably the number 1 provider of the most consumed content on this planet, and they probably know everyway to get around anything (any speed bump between them and their consumers). especially with money.

            • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 16:40

              @harshbdmmaster718:

              but according to a recent comment at the bottom with link Youtube isn't going to be on that list anymore.

              The fact that it was going to be on the list in the first place speaks volumes of how stupid this is and show it was nothing about protecting the kids, but linking people to IDs.

              regarding PH. I'm guessing money talks?

              YT, Facebook all have money as well. I would say even more money than PH.

              because PH is probably the number 1 provider of the most consumed content on this planet

              YT is 10x more popular. People stream YT for hours on end….. Pornhub, not that long. Some 5 mins, some 45 mins ;)

              https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201880/most-visited-web…

              • harshbdmmaster718 on 13/12/2024 - 16:44

                @JimmyF: ok i don't know how to look up numbers like that but I thought PH had way more ad revenue.

                anyway maybe just pull YT out of it (but maybe not things can change right) but yeah FB is a fair comparison. but it's not really popular anymore.
                I think the main reason YT isn't going to included would probably be that you can use it without an account. same with PH sadge.

                • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 17:33

                  @harshbdmmaster718:

                  but I thought PH had way more ad revenue.

                  PH is full of ads, but so is YT. YT has 10x the traffic, so far more hours watched, so more money.

                  but yeah FB is a fair comparison. but it's not really popular anymore

                  FB has 50% more traffic than PH does. So it's still pretty popular.

                  I think the main reason YT isn't going to included would probably be that you can use it without an account. same with PH sadge.

                  You can see facebook content today without an account. Here is a random reel link that is viewable in a private browsing session, no account needed. So it isn't that. TikTok is the same, insta too.

                  https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Cz9pH7szz/

      • HeWhoKnows on 13/12/2024 - 08:10
        +2

        At the end of the day its a parental responsibility

        This legistaltion is the Federal Labor desperately looking for something to lift thier very poor image

        • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 09:29
          +2

          At the end of the day its a parental responsibility

          Agreed, but that parental responsibility has been removed for children under 16 and will only be 'expanded' in coming years to more and more site. The kids are already talking about using telegram that didn't make the list this round. Plus we have the issue of just plain old text messages when everything is blocked.

          So is the gov going to need age verification to send text messages next?

          Its a never ending wack a mole, as teenagers move from one platform to the next, so when the teenagers jump on to ozbargain forums to be used as a teen chat place, the gov will slap ozbargain on the 'list', so everyone here will need to pony up a gov ID to post.

          If the government wanted to address the safety of teens, then education was needed not banning. It isn't like the gov has a entire platform that they can use to do this, it is called schools.

          But it was never about teen safety at the end of the day.

          • serpserpserp on 14/12/2024 - 09:18

            @JimmyF:

            so everyone here will need to pony up a gov ID to post.

            Finally we'll know jv's true identity. Which is most likely broden.

            • JimmyF on 14/12/2024 - 10:25

              @serpserpserp: Find out it is some 80yo grandma with nothing better to do!

  • pegaxs on 12/12/2024 - 17:00
    +50

    That's the best part… They aren't…

    This bill is not about keeping "kids safe on the internet"… it is to de-anonymize the rest of the internet for everyone else. It's about a "national ID system they have been pushing for decades and forcing you to connect to the internet and give them the tools they need to track everything you do and say.

    "Keeping kids safe on the internet" is just a trojan horse.

    • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:03

      okay it's just fancy words for the media. but still fair to say if it's going to used to put a drivers license on every internet user and learn and collect more data about them (this is the case with everything these days right? - oh we can also collect mountains of data? bonus billion$! 😂) that it will be a benefit to still use facial recognition.

      I mean I'm thinking it's not going to be that difficult to run on the devices, because already have things like AI what is the next word/image generators which run off device and it works pretty fast.

    • brendanm on 12/12/2024 - 17:06
      +14

      We can shut the thread now mods, pretty much sums it up. At lot easier to round up the dissenters that way.

      ASIO and the feds raided an ex ASIO advisor earlier this year just because they didn't like him doing interviews. No charges laid, it's just fun to keep people in check.

      • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:10
        -7

        At lot easier to round up the dissenters that way.

        I think I get what you mean. but then wouldn't constant facial recognition make what you say even more efficient and easier? it would also help catch criminals quicker and make things efficient for police. I also read numbers of new police persons are dropping, so it would solve that problem as well.

        pretty sure I heard in a documentary you can basically already do what I stated in post with a dahua camera running specific china firmware. so it's not that unbelievable.

        • brendanm on 12/12/2024 - 17:14
          +9

          How it is done isn't really the issue. That they are doing it is the issue.

          • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:15
            -2

            @brendanm: ok sorry made some last second edits above. it's just what I thought of as an effective solution, so it might not be what is going to happen but australia must at least be considering it.

            • EightImmortals on 12/12/2024 - 17:24
              +4

              @harshbdmmaster718: Pretty sure they snuck that one through a week or two back so they're not just 'considering' it. In order to 'verify' someone's age they would need to biometric ID EVERYONE, so no more dissent and laughing at useless politicians. Pretty sure the kiddies would already know a way around it already and if it's only targeting social media like facetwitX then I don't really care. When/if they roll it out everywhere then it might become a problem. The effectiveness will depend on people's level of addiction to social media at this point.

              • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:24
                -1

                @EightImmortals:

                the effectiveness will depend on people's level of addiction to social media at this point.

                I think it's pretty high. 😂

                awhile ago I made a decision to uninstall most apps from my phone and access them only through browser on the PC. sometimes I still cheat and log in through the phone browser. but I feel like I am in a minority and most people love the convenience of opening facesmash and tiktok through the app.

                • EightImmortals on 12/12/2024 - 17:26

                  @harshbdmmaster718: I think you're probably right. :)

                  • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:27
                    -1

                    @EightImmortals: sorry was about to edit;

                    "and log in through the phone browser." …so that extra step sometimes makes me not access the webpage and move onto the next thing. either too lazy to type to log in or I think a few extra seconds and realise it (being logged in) might take up too much of my time.

            • brendanm on 12/12/2024 - 22:32
              +1

              @harshbdmmaster718: An effective solution is having your phone constantly use face recognition and match it all to a government database?

              • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 22:47

                @brendanm: you often respond with single questions so it’s difficult to tell what you are trying to say. it makes me feel like you are baiting me into asking you a specific question, but I have no idea what that is.

                I thought it’s a way of actually validating who is viewing the content on the device and block it if necessary. how do you think it should work? I’m interested to know your possible solution.

                • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 07:38

                  @harshbdmmaster718: I don't think that needed anything more than a single question, and i thought the question is quite straightforward.

                  Would you be happy if your phone was constantly using facial recognition, and would you be happy if this was cross referenced with a government database?

                  • harshbdmmaster718 on 13/12/2024 - 16:38
                    -1

                    @brendanm: ok it's easier to answer that question. would I be happy? I would probably be indifferent about it. the phone is already scanning my face just to unlock it. I am not a wanted criminal so I have no problem with it being matched to a database. if any worry it is probably the security of the data it learns from my face. so if face recognition learns a lot of stuff about me, those things can be used to make me angry or sad when I otherwise wouldn't be so they should be protected I guess.

                    • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 17:00

                      @harshbdmmaster718: You must be naive. Having things matched to a government database is not good. Having your phone use facial recognition to link whatever website or app you are using to a government database is terrible.

                      Look up just the few cases I've listed above.

                      • harshbdmmaster718 on 13/12/2024 - 17:02

                        @brendanm: okay.

                        You must be naive.

                        yes at least I am aware of that. 😅 a lot of times usually people like you who know more than I do, will just stop responding to me. or tell me I don't know anything. which isn't true I know some things. and explaining things would be wasted of me, which is kind of true. I often want to understand so I read their response, but then it's me who can't respond back.

                        • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 17:16

                          @harshbdmmaster718: As I said above, look up those three cases as a starter. Those people were raided and facing possible jail time for writing words or talking.

                          Look at the number of people that have been "cancelled" regarding something they have done or said years and years ago, that is now deemed offensive.

                          Maybe you reply to me today, and you say something, or call me a name that is deemed offensive in 5 years time. Do you want those words to be attributed only to "harshbdmmaster718", or would you like them to be logged under your real name, so people can harass your employer about you being a bad person?

                          The internet is forever, it's not the same as making a comment to someone verbally that is forgotten 5 minutes later.

                    • BartholemewH on 13/12/2024 - 21:10

                      @harshbdmmaster718: Not sure if serious.

    • JimmyF on 12/12/2024 - 18:40
      +10

      "Keeping kids safe on the internet" is just a trojan horse.

      And the misinformation bill is back under a different name, same outcome, but a different name.

      So the gov can force removal of content they don't like. Basically this entire thread if they wanted to once it is passed.

        • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 08:01
          +7

          Abc journalists, former asio advisor, friendlyjordies. People raided by the cops/feds/asio for saying stuff the government hasn't liked. Just off the top of my head.

        • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 09:38

          Most of the ppl shitting themselves have an agenda or a conspiracy or both.

          You know the Nazi thing just didn't happen overnight, it was a slow progression that was allowed to happen as people just stood by and did nothing as they didn't think it was bad or impacted them until it was too late. One of the first things they did when coming into power was to silence the media for things they didn't like. Sounding familiar yet?

          So yes, allowing ANY government to have power to force removal of anything they don't LIKE is just insane. Its about controlling the narrative or creating a view that isn't really true.

          Basically look at what happens in China, the gov has this power.

          • Protractor on 13/12/2024 - 09:45

            @JimmyF: Godwins Law seems to be getting a workout these days.

            Sounding familiar? Nope. I can't see the right wing,govt controlling, climate denying,divisive, party electing right wing Murdoch media going anywhere.It's not the govt in charge, it's big media,resources,mining,energy corporations etc. Look to America for what your future looks like, not China.

            • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 09:46

              @Protractor:

              I can't see the right wing,govt controlling, climate denying,divisive, party electing right wing Murdoch media going anywhere

              Under this bill, you won't see anything they don't like ;)

              • Protractor on 13/12/2024 - 09:49
                -1

                @JimmyF: You are still worrying about the wrong 'they'.
                Most of the population are already so far down the MSM rabbit hole they salivate at the mere sight of a carrot.
                Nothing else could explain Dutton.

            • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 17:22
              +1

              @Protractor: Why are you focussed on right wing. It doesn't matter what side of politics you lean to, this sort of thing is bad for everyone. No one should be able to track and silence you, the government should not decide what is and what is not ok to say.

              • JimmyF on 14/12/2024 - 10:27
                +1

                @brendanm:

                the government should not decide what is and what is not ok to say.

                Yep this, regardless of what side you want to lean in politics, you don't want either side being able to control what you can and can't see.

    • dogboy on 12/12/2024 - 18:44
      +1

      I think they should ban it for everyone or no one and scrap the age verification BS.

      • Protractor on 12/12/2024 - 21:59

        Pegaxs said that weeks ago. I think he's shifted a fair bit since

    • Protractor on 12/12/2024 - 18:52
      -3

      Careful Peggy, your getting too close to that 5G tower….

      • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 17:22
        +1

        you're

  • TimmyTims on 12/12/2024 - 17:01
    +6

    There was talk that you could log into MyGov (or some other government site where your identity is confirmed) and generate a code (similar to a 2 factor authentication code). This code would then be used once on your social media account to verify your age.

    This would allow a secure way of confirming ID without social media companies having even more personal info. Government also wouldn't know what you social media account is.
    (Government doesn't know where the code was used, social media doesn't know where the code came from)

    • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:07
      -3

      but what is stopping someone under the age of 18 from grabbing a hold of your device and using it?

      someone I know has young kids I've already mentioned their extreme tantrums and device addiction maybe a year ago in a comment. their devices have been taken away so the first chance they get they will grab the parents phone when it is unlocked, change the auto lock duration then grab it later and use it.

      • DingoBilly on 12/12/2024 - 17:17
        +8

        This suggests there's something going wrong at the parenting and support level.

        But it's a poor argument anyway - kids still drink and smoke, but requiring ID definitely helps reduce the amount it occurs. It's never going to be 100% foolproof but as long as it works most of the time it's fine.

        • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:18
          -2

          ok I'm not trying to make it a point about judging their parenting. just giving a quick example how you can easily get around the block.

          It's never going to be 100% foolproof but as long as it works most of the time it's fine.

          but we have all the technology and access to compute? for running all the AI so it's possible isn't it.

          • ESEMCE on 12/12/2024 - 17:21
            +2

            @harshbdmmaster718: Easier still will be to create a new account in a country not requiring age verification.
            Then you don't have to wait to get access to your parents' unlocked phone/device.

            • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:22

              @ESEMCE: yeah so use VPN to get around the block right? I mentioned it in post.

              • ESEMCE on 12/12/2024 - 17:40
                +1

                @harshbdmmaster718: I haven't read the legislation, but I imagine the law is written to protect Australian citizens only.

                So, once you have a [insert non age tracking country here] account, your account would not have any age restriction check enabled no matter the location you are logged in from (ie no VPN required)

                • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:42

                  @ESEMCE: ok so you mean just selecting another country from the drop down list? even easier then. just as effective as "enter your date of birth".

        • CaptainJack on 13/12/2024 - 10:34

          Things are already going wrong at the parent level, otherwise why would we need this bill?

    • mboy on 12/12/2024 - 17:09
      +6

      This is good solution, and I agree on the execution, except for this bit;

      (Government doesn't know where the code was used, social media doesn't know where the code came from)

      For the code to work in the first place, there has to be some level of integration between the Government and Social Media, right? Because otherwise there's no way for the social media company to know whether it's a legitimate code or not.

      • ESEMCE on 12/12/2024 - 17:18

        Same as the rolling 2FA codes.
        Government will know where it's used, but not what the account details are.
        Social Media will know that the user is verified cause the source of the code is verified.

        • mboy on 12/12/2024 - 17:25
          +2

          2FA is different, because it's maintained for a single account, it's setup by the account holder themselves, and relies on a secret key being shared at the point that 2FA is established, between the authentication server (endpoint) and whatever 2FA app you're using (like Google Authenticator, Microsoft Authenticator, etc).

          Not sure how a similar methodology would apply here.

          • ESEMCE on 12/12/2024 - 17:43
            +1

            @mboy: 1) Government sets up a "2FA equivalent" rolling code generator on your mygov account.
            2) Social media companies must add a verification check that allows you to "verify age" against the "2FA equivalent" mygov code generator

            Same/Similar technology, different use case.

            • AwesomeAndrew on 12/12/2024 - 21:52

              @ESEMCE: At a glance it seems OK, but has some flaws, mainly that if the government and social media companies are colluding (there could be a secret gag order in place), it wouldn't be private. The government could track which my gov account generated the code and which social media account the code was entered in. But this system does a good job of protecting your ID in case of a data breach.

        • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:32
          -1

          might be a bit off topic. but wasn't it recently revealed that encypted 2FA through app can now be intercepted?

          I think it had something to do with the story the US telecom companies have had their data leaked to other countries for years now. and apparently the list of countries affected is in the "multiple dozens" so they don't want to say but basically the rest of the developed world.

      • BoltThrower on 12/12/2024 - 17:38

        Yes, it'll be impractical to implement on each social media site, and we can predict what Elon will say. (GFYS)
        It'll have to be done at an Aussie ISP level, with approved DNS tied to the ISP to maintain a connection, eliminating a VPN workaround.
        If that happens, Star-link will become popular.

        • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:45

          It'll have to be done at an Aussie ISP level, with approved DNS tied to the ISP to maintain a connection, eliminating a VPN workaround.

          so isn't device level better more effective? it won't matter on starlink or VPN it communicates and blocks on device.

          • BoltThrower on 12/12/2024 - 18:03

            @harshbdmmaster718: Yes, but how to implement that? Registered per household black box routers that are required to unscramble data?
            Phones could have firmware to match biometric unlocks to a government database.
            That would require banning imports of routers and phones.
            There's way too many workarounds for hardware. Think of Cable-TV scrambling and access cards you could buy to bypass that. Phones can be Jailbroken. Firmware on routers can also be flashed.
            Anything client side can be messed with.

            • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 18:10

              @BoltThrower:

              Registered per household black box routers that are required to unscramble data?

              I was thinking the processing would mostly be done off device like how chatGPT works (which is why I say slightly worse battery life). if device detects suspicious connection or starlink or VPN is just keeps the screen blurred until you connect normally again.

              Anything client side can be messed with.

              which would be detected and come with penalty?

              • BoltThrower on 12/12/2024 - 18:35

                @harshbdmmaster718: Same deal, that can be spoofed or bypassed.
                The government that stoops to that level of suppressing people's freedoms and right to choose will never win another election, but then again there's enough people that relish the thought of voting in such a dystopia. I think they're called Victorians. That's a joke, it's only 30% of them.
                Starlink solves this, they'll have to make those illegal too.
                The idea is so distasteful that there'll have to be government incentives. Free internet to those who register.
                Then they can rug-pull that deal after it becomes the norm.
                With how messy this proposal is and government inefficiency, I think it'll take 18 years to get it implemented!

    • ESEMCE on 12/12/2024 - 17:15
      +2

      This actually sounds like a workable solution!
      Essentially a 2FA without leaking any identity information really either way.

      As such, it can't possibly be the actual solution that our neanderthal governments (of either political persuasion) would choose to implement. Having to physically rock up to a shopping mall with your driver's licence and then sit down and log into all of your accounts on verified terminals sounds far more likely the solution to be utilised.

    • morse on 13/12/2024 - 05:41

      Sounds good except for when it goes down.

    • The J man on 13/12/2024 - 07:28

      How will kids who are 16 prove their age? Not every kid gets a driver's license.

      They're making it up as they go along. To have pushed it through as law without any concrete details is alarming.

  • this is us on 12/12/2024 - 17:40
    +5

    Not sure, but I honest have zero trust in anything involving my data kept by the government, token, 2FA, etc. I'm 100% sure whatever the way they find to implent this will increase the risks to our data being leaked someway, and will probably only slightly reduce the access to social media by under 18. Government will likely ignore professional and technical opinions and pay millions to some stupid company to do something that they don't know how to do (like Victorian government hiring a company without know-how to upgrade public transport systems). Then the company will fail and leak everyone's data because they did something wrong.

    Kids will threaten suicide to get their parents to approve access to social media using their own names or whatever is possible, and will end up in the emergency department to see Mental Health because "suicidal after dad refused access to social media". That's exactly what happens today when parents remove their phones.

    The "smarter" kids will just steal parent's phone or document, or use VPN, even have a "revanced" second phone to access whatever they want.

    This will be a case study, let's see what happens…

    • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:46

      I'm 100% sure whatever the way they find to implent this will increase the risks to our data being leaked someway,

      yes I agree. what I mentioned in post about being identified will be told to masses as secure private encrypted. but just wait until some russian dude manages to find a way in and post data online like the all the other leaks that's been happening.

  • jv on 12/12/2024 - 17:47
    +1

    How Are They Going to Prevent People under 18 from Accessing Social Media?

    DNA testing.

    • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:47
      +2

      I like how you are thinking jv. go back to touch ID, have a little sharp bit in the middle that draws blood. 😂

      • jv on 12/12/2024 - 17:50

        A piece of 1 hair would suffice.

        • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 17:51

          A piece of 1 hair

          yes I also collect hair. nice to know you do too. 😂

          what's that scene from that movie. guy cuts off finger and uses it to login and access the building. minority report?

          oh damn while looking this up I found a movie I've wanted to watch for ages but forgot the title. "The 6th Day" with Schwarzenegger. it was cheesy but in a good way.

  • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 18:00
    -1

    ok guys appreciate the honest responses but nobody is sharing how they think it will happen? other than JV.

    doesn't matter if you think it sounds stupid guys just share how you think it will happen (it's anonymous online forum guys, at least for now 😂), otherwise I am fixated on my own idea. the point of posting was to hear how others thought it could be done.

    also some related info in a good comment on previous similar topic post. korea has already been doing the "link internet use to drivers license/ID" for awhile now. apparently it isn't working too well for them so I thought that australia might look at that and think we need a better plan.

    • Protractor on 12/12/2024 - 18:03
      +1

      If ppl knew ppl could circumvent it.If you want to know, get a job at ASIO and ask.
      I wouldn't put all your faith in 'all' VPNs being impenetrable by authorities,either.

      • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 18:04

        If ppl knew ppl could circumvent it.

        good point. so my thinking is it needs to be way more advanced then we are let to know. but at the same time I already believe they are scraping all internet data (they have been feeding it to AI algorithms so we know it exists - I read somewhere some people are upset their personal facesmash photos were used to train AI image generators 😂) and facial recognition is already more advanced and ready then we are let to know.

        • Protractor on 12/12/2024 - 18:06

          And then some.
          We are worrying about things that are long since gone

          • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 18:06

            @Protractor:

            We are worrying about things that are long since gone

            I agree. people usually open into conspiracy so I usually keep these thoughts to myself.

            and I'm not like some super smart person. just watching the occasional documentary about how cambrige analytica and machine learning works and how it is used etc.

            also I noticed this in the last year. but I swear my ipad knows when I am not in front of it and it runs extra long ads on youtube (it knew I can't and won't skip for awhile). so even though they may not be scanning my face for identifiers yet, I suspect they are using the front camera as a human presence sensor. whenever I leave my ipad behind playing something and go to the next room, the next ad is a super long one. skippable but super long. not every time but most of the time. and I never get those ads when I'm in front of it. I can always see the yellow progress bar moving very quickly so I know every ad when I'm in front of it is only 15 seconds or so.

            although I have worked out a way in the last week how to skip these when away from ipad through bluetooth headphones. I make it go back a video, then forward a video (to the one I was watching) and youtube now auto resumes from where you last left the video and it skips the ad.

    • dogboy on 12/12/2024 - 18:47
      +1

      Your idea makes no sense as there are a lot of devices that people access these sites on that do not have cameras built into them.

      • harshbdmmaster718 on 12/12/2024 - 20:11

        loophole discovered! 😅

        not saying I have every answer to how it will work. most likely there will be loopholes and they will put solutions for them.

        just a fyi though. most of these blockable activity is done through phones I'm an odd one out that uses PC browser (I had to buy a WiFi card) because I can put time aside and waste less time being distracted compared to being connected through notifications every second of the day. most people don't do this, most people in my gen and younger probably don't even have a PC. PC sales must be going down because smartphone sales are going up quick and especially among young people. don't they say the same for cameras?
        Windows 11 requires the latest generation of PC's to even install properly. it must not be that difficult to also make windows hello a requirement in the future (for face recognition) and maybe even the people in charge will do a promo of "claim free cheapest windows hello webcam" before a certain date (if not people can quickly buy the cheapest one on aliexpress). people will claim them all up just like free google home mini promo from telco company. I got one even though the warnings from everyone that it's a "free spying device". 😂

    • OptimisticPessimist on 13/12/2024 - 15:08

      Sure thing, Mr 'Not a Govt agent', we certainly will provide you with our suggestions on how it should be done, its not like you're trying to get us to do the govts job for them, coming up with ideas for them….
      'wink wink'

      Tbh, whatever they come up with, strong likelihood it'll be poorly designed and implemented, expensive and ultimately defeated by the next generation of trolls/gremlins/what have you.

      Anyone recall the great Aussie Pron filter of 2007?

      https://www.itnews.com.au/news/child-beats-australias-nation…

  • USER DC on 12/12/2024 - 18:30
    +1

    Government has put responsibility on social media simply.
    So it is upto Social media platform to prevent the access.

  • JimmyF on 12/12/2024 - 18:37
    +7

    How Are They Going to Prevent People under 18 from Accessing Social Media?

    They're not going to prevent people under 16 from accessing these sites, instead the law basically says they have to validate everyone is 16 years and older. So yes, your 85 year old nan is going to have to prove she is older than 16 to stay on Facebook.

    There is only one way to do this, and that is thanks to some gov issued ID.

    As luck would have it, the gov has been pushing gov ID for years now, so just in time for you to link to your social media, so they know who you are now.

    This is the digital version of the wooden horse trojan horse for gov control over content.

    • Protractor on 12/12/2024 - 18:47
      -7

      Good.
      Bring it on.There's not much of our identity & behaviour they don't have access to already.
      The irony is if you ARE the person your govt ID says, then you are you're safer than the current state of affairs with all the hacking and breaches in recent years and all the ones that were never publicised.

    • st1ng on 13/12/2024 - 00:10

      There is only one way to do this, and that is thanks to some gov issued ID.

      The law says otherwise. From this article: "government identity documents or services like Digital ID may be used, but can’t be the only option to verify one’s age. In an additional explanatory memorandum, the government wrote that no Australian will be forced to use government identification (including Digital ID) for age assurance on social media."

      • JimmyF on 13/12/2024 - 11:31
        +1

        The law says otherwise

        Considering the details haven't been locked in yet the bill is still being updated even though they passed it, it's hard to say what the law will say in the end.

        the government wrote that no Australian will be forced to use government identification (including Digital ID) for age assurance on social media."

        And how will these sites do age assurance without some form of valid ID? Last time I looked, the only real valid ID is government issued identification.

        I know many 15yo that look 18+ and 18yo that look 14! So scanning your face isn't going to cut.

        Plus detecting a 15yo vs 16yo isn't that easy.

  • welcomeUniverseWorld on 12/12/2024 - 19:47

    Blockchain? Does Bitcoin solve this?

    It is a joke

    • BoltThrower on 13/12/2024 - 01:27
      +1

      in cryptography, there's a technique called Zero-Knowledge Proofs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n_cII6dnoI
      So it would be possible to prove your age without showing your whole ID, not even your name.
      Of course the government won't implement this method, because it's non-intrusive.

      • Crow K on 13/12/2024 - 02:34

        hey, thanks for linking your source of knowledge

        oh, it's a 2019 crypto youtube channel segment called "simply explained" AND it uses pictures from children's books? very digestible.

        lots of videos with thumbnails like "6 alt-coins to buy RIGHT NOW". well hey, when in Rome..

        let me know if there's any redhot NFT's I should buy before the end of 2021 - hit me up on my fax machine and I can sell some of my Netscape shares to cover the trade, yeah?

        • BoltThrower on 13/12/2024 - 03:56

          Much better. Just the right degree of barbed humour.
          Glad you like the video. Visuals help with complex subjects like this.
          I don't listen to recommendations by influencers, they only want you to pump their coin in order to sell.
          The only NFTs I got were free ones on Drip.haus solely for using as avatars on my wallets. I'm for NFTs with real world usage such as tokenized real-estate, transferrable video game items or gift cards…. but monkey pics? Miss me with that.
          I don't touch meme coins either, and it's always after the fact that I realize..hey Peanut the squirrel meme-coin… Luigi meme-coin. That's not second-nature to me and I can't react fast enough for those.
          2020/2021 I bought up XRP @$0.11-0.24USD and VET @$0.012USD, some with cash, some with BTC I earned online (sports-betting) and rolled into more XRP. Didn't sell on the news of the SEC lawsuit because it was BS that should have been thrown out and taken no longer than 3 months. 3 years later it's won. SEC chair leaving, and replacement is crypto-friendly.
          Don't trust me with your fax machine lest you want faxes of things like giant fish (some will remember that one)

          • brendanm on 13/12/2024 - 17:28

            @BoltThrower: Don't worry about him, he's only here to be condescending and to attempt to appear smarter than he is. The classic pseud. Quick to put others down, but no ideas of his own.

  • Donmega123 on 12/12/2024 - 20:59

    They should just charge five bucks a month, surely that would knock out most kids.

  • neoleo on 12/12/2024 - 23:31
    +1

    https://theconversation.com/china-restricted-young-people-fr…

    Kids in China can still evade the video games restriction. If China cannot ensure compliance 💯%, no Western governments can ensure 💯% compliance for this social media ban or any other restrictions lol. There's always a loophole or more :P

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