Pigeons Got in above My Garage Door, and Pooped on Everything in There. Real Estate Delayed Acting on It

Hi OzBargain, I'm after a bit of a sanity check here, to make sure I'm not acting like an entitled prick.

I've spent too long in the weeds of this and could do with some outside perspective. It's a bit of a long one sorry, but I do have a TL;DR at the bottom.

I live in south west Sydney, in an apartment block that has individual lock-up garages. My garage door used to have a gap above it, about 10-12cm high, across the full width of the door. As far as I can tell, it was built that way - just a poor fit, not any missing/broken chunks or anything. A couple of pigeons got in through this gap, and took up residence in my garage for maybe a month before I noticed, as I wasn't using the garage that often. They built nests on top of some things, laid eggs, and shat all over the floor and all of my belongings in the garage.

I have a bunch of shelving and workbench, lots of power tools and woodworking equipment, a spare mini fridge, 2 portable air conditioners, a near new spare queen mattress, some vintage car parts from when my dad passed away in early 2022, a whole heap of stuff.

I contacted the real estate, who acknowledged the email the same day, and then did diddly squat. When I followed it up two months later, it took them another month to organise their handyman to come out and tack up a bit of wood over the gap while I wasn't home. It was a good thing I went down there to measure the gap for him and hopefully make his job easier - I noticed it had already been done, and he had actually trapped the poor pigeons in there. I had to go in and chase the little (profanity) out with a broom and then close it up again.

Now, given that it was the pre-existing state of the property, from before I moved in, I would think it's the owner's responsibility to pay for cleaning my stuff. Obviously if I could have foreseen that gap being a problem, I never would have stored my belongings in there until it was dealt with. I'm also considered immunocompromised, because some of the medications I take suppress my immune system. So I can't risk saying (profanity) it and doing the cleaning myself.

The REA's opinion, of course, is that my stuff is my problem. And that I should also be responsible for cleaning the garage itself, as if I were to move out, I'd need to return it in the same state I got it or be held liable.

The kicker is, these pigeons got in there some time back in July 2022. I first notified the real estate on 5 August 2022. They acknowledged the email, but then, radio silence. I emailed them again on 14 October 2022. Some phone calls later, the board went up across the top mid November 2022. Over two years, many followups, and three property managers later (not to mention dozens of verbal promises along the lines of "we'll follow it up with the owner and see what he says"), I finally managed to get a response in writing two weeks ago. They have "graciously" offered that the owner will pay half the cleaning cost for the garage structure itself, i.e. only the walls and floor - absolutely nothing for my stuff. By which I assume they mean getting their handyman out with a gerni for half an hour, and calling it a day.

To be honest, I think I'm being far more reasonable than I should be. All I'm after is a thorough cleaning of whatever can be salvaged, and assistance disposing of anything that can't (like I assume the mattress is just dead, even though it was in a plastic wrap). I feel like if I escalated this to mediation/NCAT, I would be able to push for a) replacement of things that can't be cleaned, and b) compensation for the time I've been without use of my garage due to the real estate/landlords lack of action. I don't really want to have to go to any of that effort, I just want my garage and my things cleaned up so I can get back to pottering around with my little projects.

So, tell me, do you think I'm being a dickhead here? Should the landlord pay for my things to be cleaned?
Or should I just suck it up and accept that "my stuff, my problem"?

TL;DR

Two years ago, pigeons got into my garage through a pre-existing gap above the door, nested, and shat all over the garage and my stuff. Despite countless follow-ups, the real estate delayed fixing the issue, and now the landlord is only offering to cover half the cost of cleaning the garage itself - and nothing for my enshitted stuff. Am I being unreasonable in wanting them to pay for cleaning or replacing my belongings, since the issue was due to a defect in the property? Should I escalate this to mediation/NCAT, push for a better compromise, or just drop it entirely to avoid stress and potential retaliation?

Comments

  • +2

    cool story, sucks about the pidgeons, but it was a fun read. good luck.
    I have no advice. You can try claiming on your contents insurance, but its two years ago, so they probably don't care anymore.

    • -3

      Ah, unfortunately, I don't have contents insurance. Maybe I should look into getting it, but the ongoing pigeon access is solved for now so I'm not sure.

  • +1

    If it were north west sydney then I'd have the perfect solution.

    Good luck

    • -1

      Oh? What do you mean?

      • bikes?

        • +1

          Confused whether that was an attempt to write 'bikies' or an injoke i am missing

  • wasn't using the garage that often

    Got a tarp (to cover your stuff until things clear up)?

  • +5

    You could take the Pigeons to NCAT.

    I'm surprised the real estate didn't increase your rent for subletting out your garage.

    Lucky you got rid of the pigeons now because under squatters rights the garage would be theirs after 12 years.

    • +2

      Fixed

      under squabbers rights

    • I'm surprised the real estate didn't increase your rent for subletting out your garage.

      LOL now there's a take. Or perhaps I should be paying them more for graciously allowing me to keep the surprise pets.

  • +4

    I don't think there is a clear answer on this one. I think unlike a house, it's not necessarily unreasonable for birds to get into a garage or shed. If it was a garden shed, I think it would be more on the tenant to cover up any gaps etc where the birds are getting in and to remove any nests etc. For an apartment block with underground lock up parking, it may be more on the landlord. But the primary purpose of the garage is for car parking and not storing items. So it may be reasonable for you to expect birds/insects/spiders/dust etc if storing items there and to take precautions.

    • It's an old-ass block of apartments, I think the REA at the inspection mentioned it was built in like, the 40s or 50s? When I first moved in, I still had the old-old "push a piece of wire into grips" kind of fuses, which I think were replaced by actual little glass tube type fuses in maybe the 60s. The garages form the bottom floor of the building. This was the gap before the handyman put a board up over it.

      You can see how I never even considered it as a potential problem. Especially when you consider the giant gap above the neighbours' one, easily twice as high. But there was some sort of downpipe running down the outside of the building that cuts in above the neighbours' garage door, so at least the presence of a gap there is understandable.

  • Even the tl;dr is too long. FFS.

    • +3

      TL;DR TL;DR

      Bird poop on things. Real estate useless. Landlord won't pay. What do?

      • ChatGPT is getting better!

  • +1

    While I understand your predicament, I would have sucked it up and payed someone to clean it if I couldn't do it myself. It will end up costing you way more in increased rent for bothering the landlord than a cleaner would cost.

  • +3

    If your stuff is valuable, check on it. You rented the place with the gap above the garage door, it wasn't something that changed. Clean your own stuff. Really not sure how you can think it's anyone else fault but your own you didn't check on it, do you think the landlord should have paid a bird inspector to check your garage every week?

  • +8

    You knew there was a gap. The end. /thread

  • -1

    Chat to the NSW Tenants Union. They should be able to give you an idea on where you sit here. Best of luck.

    • My phantom negger stalker at it again.

      • why are we bypassing the hard r?

        • +1

          I have no idea why providing good advice is getting me negatives. The tenancy union would be the group who could provide him with the best information on where he stands here. Someone keeps negging no matter what comments I make hoping I will give up commenting but I won’t.

  • +3

    The kicker is, these pigeons got in there some time back in July 2022. I first notified the real estate on 5 August 2022. They acknowledged the email, but then, radio silence. I emailed them again on 14 October 2022. Some phone calls later, the board went up across the top mid November 2022. Over two years

    This is like 2 years on? And you're still dealing with it/thinking about it/negotiating a solution?
    You could have gotten out some rags, spray and wipe, a bucket of water and cleaned it up yourself in what, an hour?

    I've spent too long in the weeds of this and could do with some outside perspective.

    move on, look after or own things, clean up some bird sh*t, wear sunscreen…

    How do you not have more 'life' related 'life things' to deal with if this is something that goes on for 2 years :/

  • -1

    If you were rewlly that worried about it you should have jept on them at the start. Leaving it for 2 years kinda indicates you arent that worried about it.

    Suck it up, fix it yourself now.

    Sometimes you just have to take some responsibility.

  • +2

    since the issue was due to a defect in the property? Should I escalate this to mediation/NCAT, push for a better compromise, or just drop it entirely to avoid stress and potential retaliation?

    No need to ask us, you can take it to NCAT with the Pigeons and let us know the outcome :)

    • +1

      you can take it to NCAT with the Pigeons

      Those pigeons flew away without leaving a forwarding address with the OP.
      Now, how will he serve them a copy of his NCAT application so that they can be added in as a joint Respondent?

      • +1

        They're homing pigeons.

      • +3

        If that the case, pigeons will take OP to the high courts.

  • Im happy I dont rent anymore, anyway it took some time for you to realise and its a bit of a tricky one as the damage has been done. Can you orgnaise someone to clean your possessions or just put on a good mask etc and do yourself ?

    • This would have happened even if OP was the owner.

  • -1

    OP needs to use google to figure out how to get the REA/Landlord to fix things.

  • +3

    Hold on. So the board went up, like 12 weeks after you raised it?
    Which is pretty short considering it wasn't broken, and was like that for all previous tenants.

    And you have left bird shit on your own belongings for 2 years? While demanding someone else clean it?

    To be honest, I think I'm being far more reasonable than I should be.

    This might be one of the least true things ever written. There is no obligation on the owner or real estate to clean your stuff. It's a garage. A bird got in. Wildlife gets into places some times.

  • There's a gap in the garage next to yours too, it seems like unfortunately the pigeons simply decided to nest in your garage instead of elsewhere.

    How long were the pigeons there before you realised? Sadly when it comes to renting you just have to do things yourself sometimes (within reason), REAs are useless and there are a lot of slumlords out there. I probably would've gone up there with a ladder and shoo'd them out before they made too much of a mess.

    Do you have photos of your stuff with the bird poo all over it? How much is it worth and can it actually be cleaned?

  • Obviously if I could have foreseen that gap being a problem, I never would have stored my belongings in there until it was dealt with.

    But you think this was foreseeable for the RE/Landlord and want them to pay?

  • https://www.nsw.gov.au/housing-and-construction/rules/pests-…

    So between July and August some pigeons got in. Let's assume the damage was done then. Your claim would be that the landlord was negligent in not ensuring the garage was bird-proof. But you yourself acknowledge that it was not foreseeable.

    Then it took from August to October for the landlord to bird-proof the garage. Remarkably - and by far the strangest part of the story - the pigeons were still there. No one thought to remove them? There are companies that literally provide that service. Did you ask to have the birds removed, or just advise them that birds had entered and caused damage? If the latter, they would have reasonably assumed the birds are gone. In any case, if your claim here was that the delay in action by the landlord was negligent as it contributed to the damage of your belongings, this would be tempered by the fact that you could have taken reasonably straightforward measures to protect your property (covering it) and prevent further damage (having the birds removed).

    So I don't think you have a chance on either of the above.

    However you could reasonably argue that the cleaning of the garage - being as a result of the existing condition of the property and the landlord's inaction in rectifying it, and given you notified them of it in a reasonable timeframe - is their responsibility.

  • This person’s plight can be allegorised with romantic movie themes as follows:

    “Titanic”: Much like Rose clinging to the floating debris in icy waters, this individual is desperately holding onto fairness and dignity in a sea of neglect and apathy. The real estate agency and landlord, like the ship’s crew, failed to address the structural issue that set the disaster in motion, leaving this person to fend for themselves amidst the wreckage of pigeon droppings and ruined belongings.

    “The Fault in Our Stars”: This is a story of love (or in this case, trust) betrayed by circumstance. They moved into the apartment with the hope of a safe, functional space, but like Hazel and Gus, they find their journey marred by the unexpected—pigeons, gaps, and an immune system that can’t weather the fallout of neglect.

    “Notting Hill”: Like Hugh Grant’s character encountering Julia Roberts’ famous actress in his small, unassuming life, this individual didn’t ask for pigeons to take center stage. Yet here they are, in a deeply frustrating and absurd situation, trying to make sense of their life while their landlord (unlike the attentive Julia) barely acknowledges their role in the drama.

    “Pretty Woman”: The classic trope of someone rising above being treated unfairly resonates here. Instead of being recognized for their patience and cooperation, this tenant is left holding the broom, quite literally chasing out pigeons, as if scrubbing floors and salvaging belongings weren’t beyond the scope of reasonable tenant duties.

    “La La Land”: This journey mirrors the disillusionment and heartbreak of aspiring for a better life, only to face harsh realities. Like Sebastian’s jazz bar dream or Mia’s acting career struggles, this person just wanted a functioning garage—a space for tools, memories, and comfort. Instead, they’re stuck in a prolonged waltz with apathy and excuses.

    This tale, like many romantic stories, is about an individual caught between the dreams they had for their space and the cold indifference of those responsible for its upkeep.

  • Lucky, you just had Pigeons, I had a Possum moved in through the garage door gap a few months ago. Make noises all night.

  • For God's sake, go clean up the shit already or pay someone to do it then worry about whose fault it is.

  • That pigeon problem can only be foreseen by a Fortune teller.

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