This product features:
8200 pa industry number 1 suction power
Zero hair tangling aerodynamic brush
Revolutionary self empty 2.0
AI DirtSense mopping
Tri laser obstacle avoidance
All in one station
Narwal Freo X Ultra Robot Vacuum & Mop $1299.99 ($700 off) Delivered @ Costco (Membership Required)
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Z ultra is $2299 for Black Friday, seems to be a decent improvement. Higher suction, quieter, base station empties rather than in the robot itself, claims to have better dirt sensing and the sensors to wash the mop pads are supposed to be able to detect cleanliness better. Also has a side brush that goes along the sideboard. All of them have the zero tangle brush that really seems to work (I have a Rottweiler that sheds like crazy)
"All in one station" But does not empty dust bag.
I thought you meant it doesnt empty the station bin but just watched the vid and there is no auto empty into the station.
Makes it a pass.
This or qrevo maxV?
maxV
yep, just watched vacuum wars review on the narwall and it doesn't auto-empty the dust from the vac to the station!
I replaced Freo X with MaxV. While MaxV has great features like extending mop and a better obstacle avoidance, Freo X is way more refined. It is quieter (both, the station and the robot)and way faster, looks better too. MaxV reminds me laptops from early 2000x - full of features, but heavy and ugly. Freo X - like a macbook. Refined, convenient, beautiful, missing very important features. If it is urgent, I would still chose MaxV. But if I have time, I would have a look at Narwal Freo Z, which is promising on the paper.
Ah, nice way to compare. How would the Narwal Freo Z compare against the spec of the Qrevo Master do you think? I would imagine that would be the market segment it sits in.
It sits in a sort of Apples/Oranges kind of way. Both are 8/10 reaching for a 9/10.
The MaxV, Eufy S1, QRevo Master are also ~$3000 units (sic) where they won't come down to $2500 or $2000, the Freo Z can hit $2200 when it's on sale. Probably. Tower/Dock robovac's are getting more complicated, so it's not going to see a price reduction back to $2k very soon.
The Freo X & Z is more leisurely, since it has small reservoirs for dust/water, it returns to the dock frequently. If you have more frequent access to key rooms, it will work room-by-room, but feel slower. There's no dust extraction on the Freo X, nor does it have the sideboard "cleaner" duster. The names will confuse people, and, also because the Freo Z sent out pre-release fluff pieces to reviewers 3 months prior to sale, the reviews are mixed.
In terms of buying the Freo X, it won't be as good as a S6/S7/S8 MaxV, especially if you can get a 'tower' model with water/dustbin retrieval for a similar price. The Roborock has the advantage of improved, incremental updates and small changes that improve key features. You know what you're getting by now.
If you have hardwood floors or your pets leave 'mess' around, the Freo Z's more leisurely triple-cleanup of spot cleaning won't leave trails around the room like the Roborock will, and has done.
The Roborock is more of a powerhouse unit. Their speed and cleanup will be hit and miss depending on the room config.
The Qrevo is improved in a lot of ways over the S7 MaxV, but it's also iterative. The Master's design is also iterative, so … some people will adapt, or not adapt. YMMV.
In terms of hands-off cleaning, the Freo Z is way more capable. It gets stuck less. However, it's not built upon a decade of improvements, it's a newer company. So their accessories are expensive, the app breaks down occasionally, it has confusing menu options that hide features, et al. Similar to Sonos vs Apple/Spotify. It does things their way, which is going to rub people the wrong way.
If you don’t have Costco membership or its too far away etc it's $1399 from Narwal direct but if you signup for the Black Friday email list you get a $50 voucher to use from November 20 - December 4 which makes it much the same if you factor in Costco membership….also other models on sale too
Where do you sign up for the $50 voucher?
I'd rather go with Costco, as you can return it in 90 days without questions asked.
And get a massive pepperoni pizza while you're there!
8200pa industry #1 suction……their own Z ultra has 12000pa…..
Indeed. The flagship models of several of the mainstream robots can now do 10,000+. It's just that these parameters don't matter and are more often than not gimmicks.
More important, it has a tangle free brush (for pet owners) . Roborock uses a similar desing in QRevo Curve now.
Yes the tangle free brush on the narwals is excellent and the one thing that’s kept my previous roborocks too much of a hassle. The upcoming Curve looks good and may even be a better design probably the only thing stopping me upgrading to the Z ultra right now is waiting to see the Curve in action
A genuine question here. Had a robot vacuum years ago and it did it's thing when I was out of the house. Problem was the dog had pooped in the house while I was gone and the vacuum just went over it and smeared it all over the area, including carpets. Are the new machines better? Will they go around poop? Thanks for listening. True story.
Freo X will do it, it's obstacle avoidance is pretty crap, unless it is a wall or furniture.
What you need are high-end robots with cameras that will recognize what kind of trash these are through AI and then adopt a different cleaning strategy. For example, if they can recognize dog poop, they will just do a cleaning circle around them. The flagship robots from several major brands have this feature, but the only concern is that the camera will capture all of your home, and privacy breaches are the biggest risk.
Well, this is three of the key features of the Freo Z, sic.
Local AI is a mixed bag, since the "AI" is just room mapping and boundary exclusion / object detection with CV tools made in linux for a Raspberry Pi ARM64 equivalent chipset.
YMMV on how great the avoidance/cleaning work, since it requires comparison / scientific testing of efficacy. AI capture of dropped shoes is not a big problem, it could be, IDK. This is relative to cloud storage/uploads of your floor and your pets / shoes/feet it could capture. It's all 'sensitive', even what's under the couch or behind the bed, sic.
The strength of the vacuum isn't so much a factor for the Freo Z since it can backtrack and redo the area where there's spot cleaning issues. This is one of the detractions for the Freo Z, since it spends more time in each room, and goes room-by-room. Slowly.
This clashes directly with 'loud/fast/power though all problems' with the Roborock. This comes with just experience of efficiency i.e. once is enough if you have the throughput and you're not expecting problems, pets or spills/mess that defy the single-pass clean every day.
https://vacuumwars.com/best-vacuum-cleaners/robot-vacuums/
Has the Z version as #3 , not sure how this differs?