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Was searching for a cheap media server. Saw this post on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/1gnd4eq/minimal_plex_…

I thought I could do that. A 4 bay DAS and a N100 mini pc. Here is the DAS in the post!

This coupon just started today. $66 off the normal price of $329.99.

I did have my eye on the Aoostar wtr pro - but singles day sale resulted in shipping doubling from Aliexpress. Went with this DAS instead.

Now I need to get a good deal on a minipc!

(Please refrain from stating that I could’ve just got a second hand laptop and chucked on some external drives. Obviously there are cheaper options but for a brand new set up - a DAS and a mini PC is pretty good!)

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  • Commodore64 on 11/11/2024 - 21:14

    At least it has an iGPU unlike the Ryzen based 8-bay.

  • jazzza on 11/11/2024 - 21:22

    Same price as during prime days last month

  • thecloudking on 11/11/2024 - 21:31
    +3

    No RAID is a biggie.

    • adam149 on 11/11/2024 - 21:46

      depends what you're storing

    • ONEMariachi on 11/11/2024 - 21:54
      +8

      https://www.centrecom.com.au/qnap-4-bay-usb-type-c-direct-at…

      $40 more if you want hardware raid. This is what I use. Has been excellent.

    • Indomietable on 11/11/2024 - 22:15
      +3

      Software RAID is the way to go , but beware that this thing is running off usb. I have no personal experience with USB and large multiple external drive but I think it might have problem with reliability.

      • nebakke on 12/11/2024 - 10:11
        -1

        Hard to do any sort of useful software RAID if this thing is presenting the disks as JBOD though.

        I have to say though, for all of the draw-backs, I've been running a home fileserver off a couple of external portable USB drives for years now, it works a treat. Speeds aren't exactly peak performance, but then, it's being used primarily for file serving over the network, plenty fast for most anything that needs it from there.

        I did stop running LVM across it though as it was more hassle than it was worth whenever a disk died. But I see a RAIDed DAS over USB-C as even less of an issue tbh.

        • jazzza on 13/11/2024 - 08:47
          +2

          This one presents the disks separate so you can do software raid.

          • nebakke on 13/11/2024 - 10:08

            @jazzza: Ooooh nice! Thank you - might need to have a look after all!

    • AnotherCheapo on 11/11/2024 - 23:29

      What is RAID and why is it important?

      • Dollar Dreamer on 11/11/2024 - 23:52

        Duplicates your hard drive without you doing anything, if 1 hard drive fails, the NAS will tell you and your data will be safe on the 2nd hard drive. Obviously you need to buy double the hard drives to store the same amount of data.

        • Smigit on 12/11/2024 - 00:45
          +4

          Raid 1 duplicates data. There’s other options that are more efficient in terms of capacity as you scale the number of discs, like Raid 5.

          You also have Raid 0 which provides no redundancy at all.

          • parad0x on 12/11/2024 - 05:30

            @Smigit: unRAID, RaidZ, T-RAID, mdadm (kernel software RAID), whilst adding VARIATIONS of motherboard adapted "RAID" abilities, which are more often than not software implementations…

      • Mavryk on 13/11/2024 - 12:01
        +1

        The quick answer is: putting your HDDs in RAID will make them appear as a single drive.

        Longer Answer: There are different versions of RAID with different benefits and drawback.

        RAID 0 - Combines your HDDs into one “volume”. It speeds up write speeds because your computer is putting half the data on one drive and half the data on the other. But, if one of the drives die, you lose all the data. So best if you want extra speed but dont care if you lose the data. Like a Steam Cache

        RAID 1 - Mirrors the data. So if you have two 1tb HDDs and mirror them, anything saved on one will be copied to the other. If the drive dies, you still have the data. No speed benefits. But you only have 1tb of storage, the other half goes to redundancy.

        RAID 5 - similar to Raid 1, but instead of half the drives being dedicated to redundancy, is “stripes” the data across the drives. So you get a partial speed boost because you are writing to multiple drives at once, but you only use 33% of each drive as redundancy. So for three 1 TB hard drives, you get 2TB of storage, rather than only half with RAID1. Any of the 3 drives can die, and there’s enough information to rebuild the raid. But you need more than 3 drives.

        Those are the basic 3 versions of Raid. There a different combinations you can do depending on what you are wanting out of it. But as I mentioned the main benefits are speed and redundancy while the computer sees it as a single volume (eg E drive). But it adds complexity and cost to your set up.

  • sisilet on 11/11/2024 - 21:42

    I was looking at Aoostar wtr pro and it is only USD299 (AUD453). isn't it a better choice?

    • Bal on 11/11/2024 - 21:46
      +1

      The shipping has been jacked to $128 AUD.

    • flashi007 on 11/11/2024 - 21:57

      shipping for the Aoostar was $60-ish bucks until the sale started. If you got this DAS (263) and another N100 micro PC (like the SOYO M2 Plus mini on ali express on sale now for around $170 - even better savings with cashrewards) its a bit cheaper!

    • UncleRico on 11/11/2024 - 22:19

      I’d hope so for more than double the cost after shipping.

    • beaker on 12/11/2024 - 08:28

      Shipping is free direct from Aoostar, but it looks like this is sold out there now too :(

      • flashi007 on 12/11/2024 - 08:59

        That’s in US dollars

  • hellbound on 11/11/2024 - 21:50

    What's the advantage over the 5 bay version of this? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006888901788.html

    • OzbJ on 12/11/2024 - 21:19

      i think the 5th drive can act as a redundancy

  • QuickToThePointless on 11/11/2024 - 22:17

    Nice post/price…i have been going over this type of setup myself in recent weeks to replace aging 2nd gen i3-2100 plex server/htpc setup.

    DAS was my preferred option, paired with existing i5-8500 optiplex 7060…but couldnt get past concerns and conflicting information over over HDD spin up times/ firmware sleep mode interruptions/hotbox environment for HDD overheating issues across various makes and models and overall flakiness of USB compared to direct mobo SATA or HBA pci card connections.

    now looking at gutting my old case and filling it with new 12/13th gen cpu, mobo etc…but that reddit post does do a good job at selling this kind of setup though!

    • ebosh on 11/11/2024 - 22:57
      +3

      Fwiw, I replaced an old HP micro server (n40) with one of these and an 8th gen i5 nuc. The nuc crapped out earlier this year and I'm now using an n100 mini PC, but the das has been rock solid.

      • QuickToThePointless on 11/11/2024 - 23:34
        +1

        do you get smart data / individual drive temps? cheers

        • ebosh on 12/11/2024 - 14:03

          Not that I can see (from a quick look).

    • bcYield on 12/11/2024 - 00:41

      2 HDDs sitting on top of my OptiPlex. I'm too lazy to migrate. Still working well. Was thinking of 3D printing a case/enclosure for the HDDs with added fans. Also have a mini pc n100 laying around which would save power over the time if I switch over.

      • QuickToThePointless on 12/11/2024 - 00:53
        +1

        i personally dont have any experience with mini pcs….but are the cpu/mobo/psu in these resilient enough to last over say 10+ years? optiplexes and individual retail component builds are proven to do so…is it perhaps a somewhat false economy in the power consumption of larger rigs vs initial costs of the minis over time?

  • lachhelix on 11/11/2024 - 22:19
    +3

    You could’ve just got a second hand laptop and chucked on some external drives!

  • juki on 11/11/2024 - 22:35

    any deals for HDDs ?

    • kizzaaa on 12/11/2024 - 00:13
      +5

      East Digital HK seems to be OzB choice for decent prices on refurb (factory rectified) hard drives.

      I've just purchased a bunch of drives from them for my NAS upgrade.

      • impoze on 12/11/2024 - 00:25

        Which drives did you go for?

        • kizzaaa on 12/11/2024 - 00:30
          +3

          I picked up 2 x Ironwolf Pro 20TB ST20000NT001 @ AUD 378/ea. Worked out to be AUD 18.90/TB.

          They're also selling the 20TB ST20000NE000 for AUD 369 but ST20000NE000 has MTBF rating of 1,200,000 hours versus ST20000NT001 @ 2,500,000 hours.

          • impoze on 12/11/2024 - 00:39

            @kizzaaa: Where do you get the MTBF rating?

              • impoze on 12/11/2024 - 00:44

                @kizzaaa: Thanks, viewing on my phone.

                So 20tb is currently best bang for buck?

                Haven't had to buy drives since the old WD shucking days for my NAS file server.

                • kizzaaa on 12/11/2024 - 00:50
                  +7

                  @impoze: That was one of the lowest $/TB CMR drives I could find that had good specs.

                  This is what I shortlisted. There will probably be some Black Friday sales coming up, but I was happy with the ST20000NT001 price.

                  Model ST20000NT001 ST22000NT001 WD201KFGX WD221KFGX
                  Condition Refurbished Refurbished New New
                  Make Seagate Seagate WD WD
                  Series Ironworlf Pro Ironworlf Pro Red Pro NAS Red Pro NAS
                  Store East Digital East Digital Amazon US via AU Amazon US via AU
                  Capacity (TB) 20 22 20 22
                  Cache 256 512 512 512
                  MTBF 2,500,000 2,500,000 2,500,000 2,500,000
                  Workload Rate Limit 550 550 550 550
                  Recording Tech CMR CMR CMR CMR
                  Drive Design Helium Helium Helium Helium
                  Warranty Type AUS-HK AUS-HK AU-US AU-US
                  Warranty Period 3 year 3 year 5 year 5 year
                  Current Price $‎ 379.00 $‎ 476.00 $‎ 678.24 $‎ 746.23
                  Price per TB $‎ 18.95 $‎ 21.64 $‎ 33.91 $‎ 33.92
  • Panadol on 11/11/2024 - 22:57
    +3

    What are the advantages and disadvantages compared to the Synology ones (besides the fact that Synologies are more expensive)?

    • kizzaaa on 12/11/2024 - 00:24
      +5

      Basically, NAS (Network Attached Storage), such as a Synology DiskStation, is a centralised storage device that multiple devices can access over a network at the same time. Great for sharing data easily between computers, tvs, phones etc, but requires a network and can be more complex to manage.

      This deal is for a DAS (Direct Attached Storage), which is a storage device that plugs directly into a single computer. It's simple to use, but limited to the connected computer.

      NAS and some models of DAS also support RAID for data redundancy/protection from disk faults. But this DAS does not support RAID out of the box.

      NAS arguably supports significantly more use cases. The OP's use case is a good one for DAS, but personally I'd prefer the flexibility of a NAS.

    • krisspy on 12/11/2024 - 00:44

      I was donated a ds220j to try out synology photos.

      Don't… Just don't.

      Uploaded 90000 photos/videos, took over 12 hours for 5 gigs of media. That's on gigabit, with the drives on raid 0. A usb 3 outperforms it by miles.

      What makes it worst is that it started to index/create thumbnails for 10 days non stop, during this time the ram and CPU were pegged, you can't even use the damn thing as a share drive as it was insanely crippled.

      You need to get a + model which would run you $550 minimum, even then I don't have faith on it to perform.

      • 5kbjvb3o on 12/11/2024 - 09:13

        Sounds like some serious issue there. I was similarly donated a DS216j and even with SMR drives it far, far outperforms that. I had never used Synology before but it worked fine and only costs 18W for 8TB in RAID1.

        • krisspy on 12/11/2024 - 13:38

          Drives are a pair of wd reds and were showing as healthy after I ran the checks upon setting up. Even if they are abit slow, having them on raid 0 should still negate their slow speed.

          I just don't think it has enough ram at 512gb. Even transferring a 60gb block of video, it can't sustain gigabit speeds, slows down to about 40mb/s after 15secs or so

          • parad0x on 12/11/2024 - 15:29

            @krisspy: 512GB not enough RAM? On which planet?
            Depending upon your hardware scenario, will determine how well it performs…

            But comparing that to network speed, is not a direct comparison per se. Have you verified that Layer1 - Layer1 (that is plug link to plug) can "sustain gigabit speed"?

            As you've already seen, apples are not apples.

            1. What are your size requirements? 1TB, 2TB, 8TB etc.
            2. How important is the data that will be stored on here be?

            From there I can provide you with personal guidance - I've decades of experience in the IT game and more in the home storage system area. Just quote my user name if you're interested in my assistance (or DM me)

            • krisspy on 12/11/2024 - 17:10

              @parad0x: I mean 512mb, wouldn't be crying if it had gb of ram.

              Definitely 1gb link, desktop > 2.5gb router > nas. If I swap the nas with my laptop it maxes out at ~124mb/s sustains about 110mb/s. The nas itself hits 124mb/s but after 10-15 secs it drops drastically to about 30-40mb/s sustained, definitely running out of cache.

              Nas came with a pair of 6tb reds.

              Data is critical but they're backed up… 3-2-1 yadda yadda. Just testing synology apps for self storage.

      • parad0x on 12/11/2024 - 15:36

        This is why we (by we I mean the command line elders), still use rsync to manage data transfer to this day

  • AAN on 11/11/2024 - 23:26

    out of curosity what are you all storing in these home media servers, Most movies/TV Shows are now available on streaming services ?

    • QuickToThePointless on 11/11/2024 - 23:35
      +3

      yes

    • Caped Baldy on 11/11/2024 - 23:43
      +12

      Most movies/TV Shows are now available on streaming services ?

      This is not true. Streaming services are very fragmented. I tried watching the Scream movies on netflix. 1, 2,3,4,6 are available but 5 isn't…

      And censorship is ruining some shows. Episodes are removed due to perceived offences and music changes due to copyright.

      • TaurusHead on 11/11/2024 - 23:59
        +2

        Basically, you need Stremio my friend

        • Jackson on 12/11/2024 - 00:34
          +5

          I am using stremio, it's life changing, but heaps of old stuff isn't available. Tried to get the OG series of hitch hikers guide to the galaxy and while it shows up in search, there's no seeders.

          Aside from that, tried to get Confess, Fletch, and when you click there isn't enough people who actually have it.

          • Caped Baldy on 12/11/2024 - 08:36

            @Jackson: Is that using debrid too?

            • Jackson on 12/11/2024 - 17:24

              @Caped Baldy: Not using debrid, don't know if it's worth it, will it make shows that are missing appear? I thought it was mainly for speed/higher res

          • ihfree on 12/11/2024 - 09:01

            @Jackson: I keep a few ISOs and other media backed up for this reason. Some older shows are hard to find again.

          • zfa on 12/11/2024 - 17:14
            +1

            @Jackson: HHGTG (og series) is available on Torrentio, and present for immediate playback via RD. As is 'Confess, Fletch' in 4k.

    • ihfree on 11/11/2024 - 23:43
      +6

      Linux ISOs

    • Barrbarian56 on 11/11/2024 - 23:49
      +2

      There is a huge argument to store movie/TV collections alone. Many excellent movies/tv shows are not available to stream, in fact if you're taking a historical view I'd say the number of good films and tv programs not available to stream significantly out numbers those streamable. Quality of streamed media is trash compared to good downloads. Moreover, if you download something it is yours forever. You're not beholden to a corporation and paying a rolling sum for the pleasure.

      Other things stored include photos, ROM libraries for game preservation, PDF scans of graphic novels, PDF of tabletop game/RPG materials.

      Audiophiles like to store massive music files as well, although my ear isn't refined enough to tell the difference in this regard.

      • Jackson on 12/11/2024 - 00:38
        +2

        pr0n is suspiciously missing from your list….

    • kizzaaa on 12/11/2024 - 00:35
      +3

      I was binging an obscure sci fi series on Prime about a year ago. Got half way through its second season and the stream failed mid episode. Amazon literally pulled the show off the platform as I was watching it.

      Since then I've been downloading into my Plex set-up.

    • Smigit on 12/11/2024 - 00:51
      +1

      Along with media, my laptop backs up to my NAS using ArqBackup whenever I’m on WiFi. That compliments a cloud backup I also perform for offsite.

      Also been meaning to download my GoG games library at some point to retain a local copy. Given the games are sold DRM free, those ones I can keep a local copy of.

      I use UnRaid for my NAS on an old PC and also run a few dockers off it, and also have a Windows VM hosted on it for the odd time I want to boot into a windows OS for something (my normal device is a Mac).

  • parad0x on 12/11/2024 - 05:35

    The N100 "removable" from the disk compartment?
    Thus to truly have a 4bay & N100. How much RAM?

    • Indomietable on 12/11/2024 - 07:04

      This does not come with a CPU or RAM. Think of external USB disk but with 4 empty disk slots.

      • parad0x on 12/11/2024 - 08:18

        Understood… You plan to use a mini PC to turn it into NAS?
        Best bet would be unRAID… Just because of the USB thing, but it's still considered unsupported and frowned upon there too…

      • macrocephalic on 12/11/2024 - 11:07

        It's a lot of money for what's essentially four hard drive bays. May as well just buy an ex govt PC and put drives in it.

        • parad0x on 12/11/2024 - 15:34

          "IT" being?
          Yeah that's kinda how most home storage starts out… Absolutely nothing wrong with it…

          What is being overlooked is how reliable are your 4 drives? Are they configured with redundancy and backup? I doubt it.

          Every home should have on-site redundancy of some capacity, and most certainly offsite backup. Whether you consider cloud sufficient for your needs of taking care of your offsite irreplaceable data - is up to you.

  • lawyerz on 12/11/2024 - 08:03

    Even cheaper than Kickstarter price. Lesson learnt!

  • nebakke on 20/11/2024 - 15:52
    +1

    Back in stock fwiw…

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