So, today I paid close to $7 for a cafe latte! Wasn’t even that good….
What’s The Most You’ve Paid for a Latte?
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this.
$7 is going to be the norm soon if it isn't already - green bean prices are through the roof across the world now, plus the cost of the cafe running their roasting machine, maintenance, staff & utilities cost…
Definitely. The Aus govt has a lot of power over green bean prices.
Good boy, keep on ingesting that LNP BS.
Unfortunately my wages are not keeping up with Coffee inflation so the cafe owner will need to trim costs in other areas to compensate for the reduction in coffee sales volumes if they want to stay in business.
When I was on holiday, around $12 AUD is the norm in Copenhagen for mediocre coffee. Some places were around $15 AUD.
When I was on holiday, around $12 AUD is the norm in Copenhagen for mediocre coffee. Some places were around $15 AUD.
I heard everything in Norwegian countries costs heaps. $12AUD actually sounds cheap. I was hearing like $20+ just to sit and have a coffee (it costs more to sit). I don’t remember the country though.
I think it’s because they care about the environment. carbon something?
Nah I dunno. I spent a lot of time in Sweden, the prices were quite similar to what I am used to paying in Brisbane. Denmark just across the water was really really expensive. Did not have any issues finding places to sit though.
ok it was a recent Japanese vlog I was watching with subtitles. but right now yen and AUD is 1:1 so I based it on that. she said she thought it was very expensive and cost her 2000+ yen. maybe they didn’t know where they were going and just sat at a expensive place.
Sweden is cheaper than Norway.
Norwegians near the border often go shopping in Sweden (though since Norway is not in the EU but only in the EEA and EFTA, there are customs limits).
Of the Scandi/Nordic countries, Sweden is notoriously cheap for cost of living, but wages are also lower. Norway is the opposite. Norwegians near the Swedish border are known to take vans over to Sweden to buy as much bulk stuff as they can to make their Krone go farther.
There is a joke about how you can tell a Norwegian in a supermarket and it is because they're so deep in the chest freezer that all you can see is their legs, because they're trying to snatch everything they can for the lower prices.
There is only one Norwegian country, Norway.
Norway is a rich country because they managed their natural resources well (unlike Aus). The cost of living is higher and correspondingly salaries are also a lot higher.
The sales tax (VAT not GST) in Norway is 25%, however that isn't the reason things are expensive, as countries like Poland and Hungary also have comparable VAT rates and they are much cheaper.
ok googled it. am I supposed to say Nordic/Scandenavanian countries?
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Nordic = Northern by geography (nord means north in a Swedish and other languages). As below plus Finland.
Scandinavian = culturally similar countries. Sweden / Norway / Denmark / Iceland
In general.
Yep the cost to sit adds up. When I was in Venice they had a inside seat fee of $3 per person and we sat on the balcony over the canal which cost us $5 per person. And the other thing that surprised me was tap water. Like tap water had a $10 service charge. Once we realised that we just started ordering bottled water or soft drink. Similar cost.
Venice they had an inside seat fee of $3 per person and we sat on the balcony over the canal which cost us $5 per person.
wowsers. 😭
it costs more to sit
I think it’s because they care about the environment. carbon something?Sitting, carbon and the environment. Seems like a terrible combination for toilets.🤔 Wonder how much they charge to use public toilets.
just returned from copenhagen today, coffee tastes shit there.
tried at multiple cafes including juno , its over priced like crazy, have paid 10-12$ at most of the cafes .Having lived in the nordics, visiting CPH this year made my eyes water at the coffee prices. I hadn’t remembered it being that bad on previous visits but it actually made me limit my coffee consumption.
Oh this is the news I needed for an upcoming trip to Copenhagen lol
Yeah prepare yourself mate. People told me things were expensive but I didn't expect how expensive. Average meal for two is at least $60. Went to have breakfast at an average cafe and our bill was $120! Just for two breakfasts and two drinks!
Grocery stores aren't too badly priced - if you don't mind that while on holiday.
Also interestingly pastries were not badly priced either and soooooo good
Had a really good time there though it was a fantastic place to go. I suggest check out the Copenhagen Card. You pay a set price for a period of time, it gets you free access to a lot of attractions and also free public transport. Free in a sense, since you pay the initial price.
We’ll be there for four nights including Christmas Day - think the Copenhagen card will still be worth it? I imagine the grocery store may be our only option for Christmas Day anyway, I’m looking forward to potentially just grabbing a bunch of cheeses and meats from the grocery store lol.
@janezzy: Yeah I think so. Depends how adventurous you are but me and my partner enjoyed it thoroughly over just a few days too. But we were really out and about every day. Exhausting but fulfilling
@janezzy: We just got back from a month in Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. 4 days Copenhagen and Stockholm card definately worth it though later in year many things are not running, e.g. Boat cruises. If you like castles and museums then yes, otherwise at Xmas, might only break even.
But as per above Copenhagen is insane, we paid 90 bucks for 2 pizza and 2 cokes in run of mill cafe/restaurant. Stockholm was a good 30 percent cheaper. Our trip we ranked Helsinki, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen in rising cost.
Alcohol was higher at pub in Norway though which was outlier, $25 for a pint of craft brew, $20 for draught.
Hope you like kebabs, it's now the national dish of Scandanavia could believe the amount of kebab shops.
I think I paid $8 at a festival some years ago…pre-covid. I don't buy at cafes much.
At home I make it around 70c for the beans and maybe 90c for milk…so $1.60 or so. Glad I bought a machine!
That's a lot of milk and beans for one coffee.
Why? Generous budgeting here…but a triple at 22g of beans for $30 a kilo is not terrible…that's your 70c (or close). Maybe you go a double at 16 or 17g It's a latte, so add 300ml of milk to that at $6 for 2l and you're looking at 90c for milk.
Ok…probably got the milk wrong there, but I know people who like their lattes big. We probably should be looking at sub 200ml of milk (but there will be wastage - so let's call it 200ml)…60c for milk then. Better? I can make you a double shot with that instead…I would use 17g likely…so that gets your beans down to 51c…so $1.11 for your trimmed down latte. I probably wouldn't take it smaller than 240ml though…otherwise we're getting down to smaller drinks.
Not sure why I was neg'd on this. Fairly realistic estimate I thought. Really depends on your latte definition though. Personally I'm having my white in a 'larger' 300ml mug of a morning, with triple shot around 40-60ml depending on how the mood is taking me. I'm topping that with textured milk, so it's probably 200ml going into the pitcher to do that, and some wastage afterwards that I'll give to the kid (or down myself). I like to use A2…I find it textures well, but that's over $6 for 2l - you can do it cheaper.
I would hope cafes pay less for their beans and milk than I do. Presume most of their cost is in staff and other expenses - not actual beans. You can buy cheaper beans of course. $30-ish a kilo is not outrageous though, and I find there's decent quality around at that level. You can pay two or three times for something more premium if you want.
Depending on how much you care about your coffee, and how strong you like it, you could probably go as low as 20-30 cents per cup, using the cheapest beans and the cheapest milk. I guess I'm averaging about 80 cents-$1 per cup though.
using the cheapest beans
Why bother then? If you're not going to the effort to make coffee but not with the view of enjoying it then might as well drink instant.
I've had Aldi beans. No amount of milk can disguise them if you're used to lighter and fresher roasts.
@stjep: I agree, I use freshly roasted beans too. Just saying, there are options if you want cheap coffee.
@ForkSnorter: Totally. I don't mind the best of the Aldi beans to be honest, but they still leave me wanting.
Coming back to the milk…my favourite cup for that is ~340ml. I'm using a triple as mentioned, so the revised milk estimate adds up here and I think the triple is appropriate for that cup. Indeed, I'm putting about 225ml into the jug and then obviously stretching that out to over 300ml in order to fill the cup to the rim (with a little wastage left over in the jug).
Not really trying to put much foam in mine, so it's more like a large flat white…ish. My milk stretching skill varies - especially as I usually go with light milk and that stuff foams way too easily.
Still…that festival 'cafe latte' I bought years ago was HUGE! Must have been over 400ml. My impression is that cafe lattes vary wildly in cafes. I guess your traditional Italian cafe latte (if there is such a thing…it's more like an American driven adaptation I think) is probably poured into something around that 240ml cup.
I guess we're way off topic from the OP question here…but hey, what OzB coffee thread wouldn't be!
What milk are you going with that is $6 for 2L? Milklab or somesuch?
I find that that just the regular Norco Full Cream steams excellently ($4 per 2L).
What he's really making is coffee flavoured milk.
Pre covid prices are long gone.
So is me buying my coffee from a cafe. So that $8 is probably the most I've paid.
I have bought flat whites since…but they've all been cheaper.
Yeah, ignoring your milk estimate, the ~70c cost for beans is pretty reasonable, considering people will pay anywhere between $15-60/kg for a decent-good bag of beans. Heck, it's even more if you factor in 'wasting' a few shots dialling in each new bag.
So the machine is free? Perhaps you missed including the cost of the machine into the cost of your coffee
Won it in a Latte Macchiato competition.
But ok…I'm being snarky…I'll play…let's see…
How to apportion this? Maybe a depreciation method? It was a little over $1k for the machine. ATO says a drink dispensing machine has an effective life of 10 years…we'll go with that. I do expect this machine to be working for at least that long - might need some parts and servicing, but hasn't required that yet. Good solid Italian machine…standard brass fittings etc - absolutely not the sort of thing that will go to landfill when it breaks.
So…we'll go with diminishing value. That would mean a hit of $200 in the first full year. Def would have averaged way more than one cup a day, but we'll be conservative and call it one (I don't drink coffee heavily…generally a morning cup…but sometimes an afternoon cup and now and then pulling shots for family too).
That puts it at 54c per cup, and getting less every year. This year we're down to 34c.
I think this is probably a good way to look at the machine cost. Ultimately you could sell it at any point, and the diminished value (currently $500 for mine) is realistic I think.
Of course…it isn't just the coffee machine. I initially bought a hand grinder, and eventually powered grinder. There's jugs, tamps etc. You could probably double those numbers to cover absolutely everything. We're still only talking a buck max on top of the cup cost in my case for the first year, and then dropping every year since.
Cleaning/maintenance is (for me) negligible - I mix my own cleaning products for this.
I think we've covered that then. Machine cost…sure. They're expensive…though if you look at it over the life of the machine it still represents a fairly cheap cup (and this with me using relatively premium inputs, and apparently way too much milk).
$0. And the long black i drink… Airjo beans on special, in my own machine :)
You'd have to include the cost of beans and machine to that, so $0 isn't right.
Nah. You just write it off as a work expense. It's just written off.
That's not how it works David!
It's just written off.
Write it off what?
I have never drunk a latte, so I will stay with $0.
So you have never paid for a coffee then?
Maybe I'm missing something but I'll never understand that. I've done the whole V60 $20 Geisha and it just leaves me wildly underwhelmed. I can produce extraordinary filter with a Moccamaster and a different single origin each month for a fraction of the price.
like with anything else in the world, price doesn't ALWAYS correlate to quality. I have also paid more for bad coffee, and I've paid less for good coffee. The point I am trying to make is that yes, some coffee does cost more than what people have come to expect and yes it is still worth it (for me).
Lol wtf, try to justify blowing $20 for a cup of coffee all you want… There's a ceiling for how good a coffee can be, and I'm sorry to tell you that that ceiling quality coffee doesn't enter the double digits.
sigh
everyone has their own opinion on what they are willing to pay for certain things.One could argue that there is a ceiling to how good a TV can be but people still fork out more $$ for a new model every year… or a phone.. or a car.. a bottle of wine… a steak…
You don't have to pay it if it doesn't represent value to you. 'Telling' someone else though that their choice is wrong though? nah…
Depends how much time you've spent drinking and learning about different beans, roasting, etc. The vast majority of people would not get anything out of that sort of coffee - and shouldn't spend the money on it. But the difference in quality is there if you put the effort in to learn about it.
Similarly I have NFI about wine and most spirits, and it would be stupid of me to waste money on the expensive stuff. That doesn't mean I go around telling people not spend more than $40 on a bottle of wine.
It's simple. That amount of money doesn't matter a whole lot to them. The vast majority of people couldn't justify playing $1000 Blackjack hands in Vegas, but those holidaying Chinese CEOs with a net worth of 9 digits don't care if they lose. And if they loved coffee, I don't think they'd care if a coffee was $100
Weird flex but okay
7$ now at my local
What's with the dollar sign location?
Too many things to worry and you include this. Not bad.
Just curious.
I refuse to pay for a coffee with a 6 in front of it. Melbourne for ref.
What about a 7?
Nope. $59 max.
If you're paying $8 aussie for a drink in HK you are going to the wrong places.
$12. XL 600ml cup with 4 shots of espresso.
$5 around Sydney Chinatown area - competitions keep the price low.
competition
Noted. Thanks :)
Herveys Range Heritage Tea Rooms near Townsville does a Kopi Luwak latte for $50. Haven't tried one yet
I had colleagues bring back Kopi Luwak beans from a trip to the plantation. They're not worth a single cent. Roasted to within an inch of being charcoal, and where they went the Kopi Luwak were in enclosures and given beans to eat so it defeated the entire supposed point of them "selecting" the beans.
James Hoffmann, the messiah of coffee, has a good short video on the coffee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkbuFwHnJQY
Stupidly expensive, I was hoping to see a comment from someone who had tried it
I tried it. It tastes like any overly dark black coffee. I also had some Hawaiian beans that they brought back that are supposedly good for being grown in volcanic soil. Same deal. Roasted so dark the oils leeched out. Just tastes like burnt beans.
Get them in Indo for a few bucks and even then you're being ripped off.
Market Lane coffee was the first place I paid over $5 for a small coffee, many years ago. Not sure what they charge now, never went back.
I should have realised it was going to be expensive when I tried to order a skinny latte to be told they only have full fat organic milk. It was the wrong coffee for that kind of milk though, couldn't cut through the richness of the milk. Seems an espresso only place, but I like my cow juice and caffeine first thing in the morning.
Market lane is really focused on black coffee. It's been $5.50 for a long black for a while now, which is on the higher side but I'd rather pay that something good rather than $4.50 for a POS from an average place.
$10 for a hot chocolate at the Westin pre-Covid. I didn't think it would cost that much so just ordered without seeing the price list.
Don’t know if it’s worth ten dollars, but it’s pretty flipping good.
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About $7
Double shot large zymil latte
These days only visit cafe if I’m meeting with client.Otherwise it’s old faithful blend 43, 3-4 table spoon with a dash of boiling hot water.
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$7 for a large flat white from the cafe I go to maybe once a week. They make excellent coffees, though, and roast their own award-winning beans.