Ideas for Computer without Graphics Card

Lcbau on 30/10/2024 - 12:53
Last edited 30/10/2024 - 16:16 by 1 other user

Hello. I joined a few days ago and I'm trying to learn about all these computer parts. I saw this place had a forum and I'd like some help trying to find a computer if someone wouldn't mind chipping in.

My computer is old and water damaged, and now finally given up and gone to e-Heaven. I'm not a gamer, but what I see in most OzBargain deals, is the graphics card is always included in a computer system - and it's a significant part of the cost which I'd never use.

I only know the basics of what I want. Things like cooling, what motherboard, leads, etc I have no idea about. I can't build it myself - it's beyond me.

I'd really like a big processor like the 9950x to see me through many years so I don't have to worry about this again (I'm an old guy). I'm currently learning about videos and transcoding, using virtual machines, but occasionally revert back to classic games like Age of Empires 2. I use a lot of Office applications and have numerous Chrome and Brave browsers open whcih I know eats memory. I'm always maxing out my friend's computer and it has 32gb of memory so maybe I should get double.

Summary computer: 9950x/14900n (are these fixed now?)/7950x3d? Maybe 32-64gb of memory, 1tb of storage, a wood panel box to put it all in, hmm, is that enough to go on? Everything else I will need to pass over to the person making it to decide what to put in. I have about $2-2,500. No graphics required. My 3060ti survived and is more than enough for what I do.

Thanks for reading. I'm sorry to ask - difficult trying to find computers without graphic cards that suit me.

Have a great day.

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Comments

  • twdjlzl on 30/10/2024 - 13:31
    +2

    i strongly recommending AMD right now, they have just launched the 9000 series cpu which should be able to last u a few years or u can wait a while for their x3d cpu which is design for gaming. On the other hand they haven't fix the problem with intel yet. The main problem for intel is the voltage given by motherboard and intel themselves is too high which cause the performance to shrink. And the once the shrink starts there is no going back, their new bios is basiclly lower the voltage to a safe stardard but will hurt the performance after all.

  • spackbace on 30/10/2024 - 13:40
    +5

    Might be worth discussing with a pc store near you, that way they can install your current gpu into their system

  • scrimshaw on 30/10/2024 - 13:52
    +2

    I'm currently learning about videos and transcoding, using virtual machines,

    For this the AMD Ryzen 9 9950x should be a good choice. Looking at the transcoding benchmarks using Handbrake, for HEVC and x264 transcode, the 9950x basically takes the top spot and it scored better than the recently released Intel Ultra 9 285K.

    https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2024-intel-core-ult….

  • skid on 30/10/2024 - 13:55

    The 9950X has an inbuilt GPU too. It's basic but should work for Age Of Empires 2.

  • frondono on 30/10/2024 - 14:11

    Get a 9800x3d it's going to be announced pretty soon. Get a 2-4tb ssd and the new nvidia graphics cards will be out in the next few months.

  • cbau on 30/10/2024 - 15:03
    +2

    Thanks for all this. Seems the 9950x is a good choice and will futureproof me for quite some time and if the 3060 card breaks down, the processor might even do the job hey.

    I'd rather spend on the cpu and not a graphics card. Maybe I avoid intel as I don't know if it's fixed. I live out in the country, so if you have any places online that might sell this sort of graphic-card-less system, that'd be good.

    Thanks for the comments. Really nice of you all.

  • Gregmond on 30/10/2024 - 15:14
    +2

    So for what you have listed, 9950X is overkill imo. Particularly if you are putting a 3060Ti with it.
    I am in the process of building a new PC for my wife and a variation of that would probably do you well.
    I have put a system in PCCASEGEAR wishlists that would probably do what you need, I have put 64GB of ram in it (the browsers will chew up ram as much as they can and you probably only need 32GB, but hey it's only an extra $150ish), and included Win 11 and if it is complete, which this build is, you can add the service for them to build it. Once you have it you can add your 3060Ti.

    https://www.pccasegear.com/wish_lists/1361669/202410-CBAU

    Oooh and one of the requirements for the wife was no/little RGB, so if you want pretty (annoying) lights, change some bits out like a glass paneled case and ram with RGB.

    • scrimshaw on 30/10/2024 - 15:27
      +1

      It's not for gaming but for content creation, the 9950x is basically the best consumer grade processor for transcoding right now. Video transcode jobs tend to scale well with CPU core count.

      I'm personally eyeing the $650 9900x myself since I do quite a bit of transcoding but can't afford the $950 price tag of the 9950x

    • Gregmond on 30/10/2024 - 15:30
      +1

      a few notes on why I picked the parts I did:

      They didn't have the Thermalright cooler I wanted, Frost Commander was bigger/better but dearer, but will keep any of the 9000X CPU's relatively cool.

      Ryzen 9700X is the sweet spot in their cpu's unless you 1. Game in which case get an x3d CPU; 2. Do serious video editing or cad work, and then you want a better video card than the 3060Ti anyway to go with the 9900X or 9950X. You could swap out the 9900X and this would still work.

      Gigabyte x870 is the latest chipset, and has room for 3 m.2 drives, it also has WiFi and is a good alround board.

      Ram, 6000Mhz is the sweet spot for RAM speed for these processors with CL36 or lower latency.

      KC3000 is one of the better value for money but still fairly fast drives.

      The case is a medium size with a solid panel, glass sides are heavy and prone to breakage and only needed if you want the annoying RGB.

      Corsair RM750e is tried and true PSU that has enough power to run this PC and your video card with no issues.

      You could save $50 and get the 2 yr warranty build.

  • cbau on 30/10/2024 - 15:56

    I found this site called PLE.com.au which has a builder. I'm still experimenting and selecting parts, looking up sites like Tom's Hardware for reviews etc, but this is what I have after a half-day falling down a rabbit hole.

    Although they sell the 9950x, I can't for the life of me find out how to select it.

    Don't laugh, I have no idea what fits together yet, but here it is. I don't know if I can transfer my old Windows licence yet. Will make a decision just before I buy something. Oh, the case isn't as pictured. I selected something I really like. There's another one that's about $100 more that I'm considering, too.

    https://www.ple.com.au/Products/665136/ple-home-basic-custom…

    • scrimshaw on 30/10/2024 - 16:09

      PLE is based on Western Australia, you live in QLD so you would probably want to purchase your desktop from a system integrator in QLD so your desktop doesn't have to fly across the whole continent. It would also make returns easier

      Perhaps you should try Computer Alliance?

      https://www.computeralliance.com.au/systems

      example build for $2455 (no including any Windows license)
      https://i.imgur.com/NAkjRI0.png

    • Gregmond on 30/10/2024 - 16:28

      For what you have listed, the x3D cpu's are not what you want. They are awesome for the latest games, but not as good for the things you have listed that you do.

      You have selected an older chipset board in the B650, rather than the newer x870 I was looking at.

      The KC3000 is considerably faster than the Crucial P3 from memory.

      As someone who is running a 360 AIO cooler on a 5800X, the good air coolers will do the job, and are easier to deal with.

      That case has 5 fans in it already, why add another?

    • rodericb on 02/11/2024 - 12:49

      Have a go at a build with au.pcpartpicker.com it will check compatibility of components and also list suppliers for the parts and their prices.

  • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 30/10/2024 - 19:44
    -2

    you can run computers without graphics card??

    so what do you connect the monitor too? USB-C?? I think I saw a few of those on Amazon. there is probably a mini graphics card in the USB plug.

    • spackbace on 30/10/2024 - 19:58
      +1

      I have about $2-2,500. No graphics required. My 3060ti survived and is more than enough for what I do.

    • netjock on 30/10/2024 - 19:59

      OP has a graphics card from old system to bring over

      • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 30/10/2024 - 20:01

        ok wall of text so only made it halfway through the third paragraph.

        I thought they wanted a pc without any graphice card.

        • ihfree on 30/10/2024 - 20:05
          +3

          Would imply a integrated GPU(in the same package as the CPU) to me if OP hadn't mentioned the graphics card.

          Motherboards have DP/hdmi connectors for this situation.

          • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 30/10/2024 - 20:06

            @ihfree:

            Motherboards have DP/hdmi connectors for this situation.

            but some don’t right?? so a non graphics card pc is possible.

            I spent all my money on phone and tablet so I have a very dusty pc and not into building but I have seen monitor connected via USB-C before like Mac’s can do it right.

            • ihfree on 30/10/2024 - 20:11
              +1

              @n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Both major manufacturers would have CPUs with iGPUs. You'd pair with a motherboard accordingly.

              I don't think graphics cards with usb-c are too common.

              I do happen to have a ITX system with Thunderbolt that has a DP-in on the motherboard but that would be pretty niche. ( Ie graphics card connected to motherboard with short cable and then display over Thunderbolt)

          • netjock on 30/10/2024 - 20:07

            @ihfree: AMD tops out at the 8 core / 16 thread APUs. Problem is they are only PCIE 3 and not 4.

    • Gregmond on 30/10/2024 - 21:20
      +1

      This CPU has graphics built in, and the system board should have a HDMI or a Display port on the back.
      Not all CPU's have builtin gpu.

      • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 30/10/2024 - 21:38

        ok so like a phones SOC.
        on pc’s I always thought everything is separate.

        • ihfree on 31/10/2024 - 15:13

          Yeah kind of, we're likely to see some more devices head in the SOC direction - for example, Apple Silicon, Qualcomm chips in Windows devices.

          PCs, even with a iGPU remain very customisable for now. You can later choose to upgrade graphics to a a dedicated GPU.

    • cfuse on 31/10/2024 - 14:53

      you can run computers without graphics card??

      Headless machines are a thing. If you don't know what that is then you don't need one.

      so what do you connect the monitor too? USB-C??

      That's a thing too. You probably don't what that either if you've got any alternative.

      there is probably a mini graphics card in the USB plug

      No, it's yet another display standard for vendors to get slightly wrong enough to take years off of IT professional's lives.

      • cbau on 31/10/2024 - 15:03

        It's interesting - I read that CPUs ending with -F don't have integrated graphics, both AMD and Intel. There's some interesting eGPU units I was looking at yesterday that attach through thunderbold as an external graphics. I'm still unsure on the Intel 13 and 14 series debate as to whether it's fixed - the 14900k and ks seem much cheaper than their AMD counterparts. Still reading and looking to understand it all though when I have time.

        • cfuse on 01/11/2024 - 19:57

          You don't need graphics hardware if your device has no display, or if it can produce a remote display. A good example of that would be a router - you interact with it via a webpage and a couple of LEDs on the device itself.

          eGPU is an edge case. Steer clear of edge cases wherever possible.

          Intel might be a resolved problem but I'd want to be very sure about that before you commit. You don't want to be lumbered with someone's dodgy old shelf stock.

          To me your situation boils down to how much you want to get involved in tinkering in the weeds. Computers are like cars, some people are just happy to get from A to B and other people will spend hours upon hours trying to make a race car from parts they bought second hand. Find your place in that spectrum and everything will work itself out.

  • netjock on 30/10/2024 - 20:06

    I'd really like a big processor like the 9950x to see me through many years so I don't have to worry about this again (I'm an old guy). I'm currently learning about videos and transcoding, using virtual machines, but occasionally revert back to classic games like Age of Empires 2. I use a lot of Office applications and have numerous Chrome and Brave browsers open whcih I know eats memory. I'm always maxing out my friend's computer and it has 32gb of memory so maybe I should get double.

    You actually don't need a very powerful computer.

    Summary computer: 9950x/14900n (are these fixed now?)/7950x3d? Maybe 32-64gb of memory, 1tb of storage, a wood panel box to put it all in, hmm, is that enough to go on? Everything else I will need to pass over to the person making it to decide what to put in. I have about $2-2,500. No graphics required. My 3060ti survived and is more than enough for what I do.

    Probably over kill CPU wise. AMD 8 core 16 thread AM4 or 5 is fine for what you want to use it for. I am on 32gb and only use about half even with like 40 browser tabs open on chrome.

  • cbau on 31/10/2024 - 07:07

    Sorry about the wall of text. I was trying to give as much info as possible.

    I'll re-think what I want as what I put are my current needs. I'd like to learn more about computers. Maybe there'll be a deal this coming Black Friday or something. Thanks for everybody's input.

    • buyer-123 on 31/10/2024 - 11:16

      Don’t apologise for the text, the more detail we have the better. Some people are just lazy..

    • ihfree on 31/10/2024 - 11:36

      To suggest some sources -

      There's also Linus Tech Tips which is popular, but a bit more entertainment focussed.

      For content creation, IIRC, Puget Systems do benchmarks.

      You'll also likely come across UserBenchmark. The site is run by a Intel shill and frequently changes the benchmark criteria to keep Intel on top or hides useful information. Still a useful site for quick comparisons as long as you are aware of the bias and know what you're looking at.

      • cbau on 31/10/2024 - 15:05

        I also found the following site which has been good to learn about CPUs and basic architecture. Easy to use for a noob like me entering the world.
        https://www.cpubenchmark.net/

        • scrimshaw on 31/10/2024 - 15:37

          CPU benchmark sites give you an aggregate score — they test a variety of things (gaming, video transcoding, AI, image manipulation, machine learning) then sum those together and create a score that is the average of all those numbers. That might be simpler to understand at first glance but it doesn't tell you the full story.

          It's a bit like sending your child to school and receiving a HSC report card telling you they got 65% in English, 35% in Mathematics, 90% in Modern History, but instead of getting those individual HSC assessment marks, they got rid of all those information and tell you that they average 65 Marks in all subjects. That's basically CPU benchmark sites in a nutshell.

          Which is of course simplified and easy to understand for n00bs, but is not informative in what their strengths and weaknesses are.

          For that kind of info you'll want to watch YT reviews on the CPU (Gamer Nexus) and look at comparison charts so you know how they stack up in different types of tests.

          • cbau on 31/10/2024 - 15:42

            @scrimshaw: Thanks scrimshaw. I appreciate your help throughout my post. Seems you understand I'm an entry level with no knowledge. Thank you for being so patient with me. This thread's probably at its end now, so if I can find it, I'll close it or whatever I'm supposed to do. Have a great week. Thanks again.

  • spackbace on 31/10/2024 - 12:18

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/874279

    Could be an option? Just sell off the old GPU?

  • ratoloko on 31/10/2024 - 21:15

    Whatever you do, buy AMD.
    It is cheaper, great performance without surprises, Intel is pure scam now.

  • jugsy on 01/11/2024 - 15:12

    What's the work you're doing? If chrome/brave tabs are your biggest resource hogs, you do not need a top tier gaming processor.

  • cbau on 08/11/2024 - 13:40

    I'll abandon this computer and go for a laptop or mini-pcs with a 8845hs and no dedicated graphics. All I need really, fits my needs now and in the future. Probably a mini-PC fits me more than a laptop. Will keep an eye on OzB deals! I've seen a few with 32GB RAM - 16GB just not enough for me.

    Thanks all. Now fingers crossed for a bargain hehe.

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