Proactive Action - Xiaomi (& Other Chinese Brands / Import) Phone Owners Affected by 3G Shutdown (Now Due to Be Network Blocked)

UPDATE 1/11/24 - Response from grey import seller after I contacted them regarding a Redmi Note 12 that is no longer working. (Of course I know it is not their fault, but this is a good way to get more pressure on Xiaomi to do an update, and to put pressure on the government to whitelist"
"We have investigate the issue comprehensively and follow up instantly with distributor and ask them to push Xiaomi to resolve the issue. After our best endeavor, as of 31 OCT, Xiaomi confirm that their device is actually capable of emergency calls over 4G or 5G. This is an compatible device. However, the disconnection results from new ACMA regulations effective October 28, 2024, requiring carriers to restrict devices that can’t support 000 emergency calls over 4G or 5G from accessing their networks. It is out of our control. It is a government, manufacturer and network provider level. They recklessly blocking usable phone regardless of compatibility. They block for most phones that not purchase from them or from their partners and force you to buy a new one from them.
Meanwhile, we are pushing our distributor to communicate with manufacturer for updating the list and there are news that a firmware update will soon launch from Xiaomi."

UPDATE 1/11/24
Statement from Xiaomitech Australia (related to those who purchased in Australia through authorized channels)
https://shorturl.at/pAyfu

UPDATE 30/10/24 - Please also email
[email protected] as we now have some traction

  • After multiple emails I finally got a NON-standard response! Hope is on the horizon! If this ends up working, you all can shout me a beer (or preferably a non-alcoholic and refreshing beverage)!

"Hello, Greetings from Xiaomi Customer Support! This is Eric.
Thank you for your feedback. We have noticed this situation, and concerned team are working on it. Please wait for the system update.
We would like to know if your device is only unable to use the emergency call function normally, but is able to use other functions normally, or if it has no signal/service at all. Once we have your feedback, we will get back to you with proper handling.
Best Regards
Xiaomi Global Email Service"

SUMMARY

  • Certain 4G and 5G phones currently working on VoLTE may be actively blocked through a government directive after 28th October
  • These are usually grey import phones that revert to 3G for 000 emergency calls
  • There are a lot of people ignoring the annoying text and voice messages on their phones, thinking "My phone IS 4G/5G, I am not affected"
  • Come October 28, there is going to be a tsunami of shock and anger

Oct 24 last minute legislation to block 4G and 5G phones that revert to 3G for 000 calls
https://www.legislation.gov.au/F2024L01353/asmade/downloads

Banana3's Summary (READ THIS FIRST to understand what the issue actually IS, instead of spouting "3G shutdown has been announced for years…")
"Again, the issue is not whether 3G should be shut down or not. I think most people in this discussion agree that it needs to be shut down. The issue is that a few years ago the communication was: as long as your phone supports 4g, then you should be fine. Then earlier this year: No, 4g alone is not going to cut it, you need to have a phone that supports VoLTE. Then: Wait, actually, not just any VoLTE, only those that the network allows your phone to use (yes, Vodafone told me that when my perfectly working VoLTE phone stopped working after they shut down 3g). Then on the last minute: Oh wait, actually, not just that, your phone also needs to be able to call 000 on 4g by default. None of these have been properly planned, or thought of, or mitigated. It's all just a big mess. If anyone is confused, it's not their fault."

What to do?

Useful information:
The Little Known Problems with VoLTE Emergency Calling - https://medium.com/@jamesdwho/the-little-known-problems-with…

Comments

                      • @avtek: ok, super outcome, happy for you :) My comment about getting FW pushed was based on their comments in that statement, glad you're not dependent on that to restore phone service (ie remove blocking by Carrier network)

                        • @xwx: thank you xwx

                          • @avtek: Hi Mate, can you dm or state here which seller u bought off ? Thank you.

                            • +1

                              @snirodha: it was - Xiaomi Mi - Global Store - however when i went there just now it says they are no longer shipping to australia

                              • @avtek: Oh ok. Thank you for update.

                                • +1

                                  @snirodha: actually i was incorrect - Xiaomi Mi - Global Store are still shipping xiaomi phones to australia - its just the old listing i bought from has ended

                                  • @avtek: Awesome Mate. Did u ever receive a sms about 3g shutdown ? And which carrier u with ?

                                    • @snirodha: vodaphone via kogan - never received warnings about shutdown - also tested 3 to 3498 etc and got a reply saying good news it is compatible with our network after 3g shutdown etc

                                      • @avtek: Thank you. At least some good news for us.

            • +1

              @xwx: I have an interesting case. TAC not on that new list, phone still working. Passed the Telstra network check list, but am on Optus based network. Used to get warning messages, but stopped getting them. ALDI sent me automated message saying it looked like I would be okay, even though original message said I wouldn't. Swapped to Optus based network as I thought it would increase my chances of survival but now wish I stayed with ALDI seeing there are cases where phone work on Telstra but not Optus.

              Still unsure what will happen to

              • @KaitoKid1412: My apologies, just realized I gave you an entirely unnecessary explanation.

                • @xwx: No need to apologise, I think you replied to someone else with a lot of detail and effort.

                  My query was a separate one, and I thought I'd check in case you had any ideas

                  • @KaitoKid1412: Short version of my (now edited / deleted) reply was that the blocks are being done individually by each Carrier. So if you've got a device that was given a Pass OK on Telstra within the last 48hrs, then you should be ok to jump back to a Telstra network if you catch a block on Optus / Voda network.

                    • @xwx: That makes sense, I might do that. Though I would have to figure out a way to make use of my yearly credit on Optus haha.

      • +6

        This is the goal. Obviously Xiaomi Australia is looking after their imports but we need Xiaomi Global to do something similar now.

    • +7

      I threw the numbers at the Blockinator AI to get some idea of some of the models they are talking about:-

      86036306 Xiaomi 23108RN04Y - Redmi 13C 4G NFC - amta=OK
      86250706 Xiaomi 23108RN04Y - Redmi 13C - amta=OK
      86603807 Xiaomi 23108RN04Y - Redmi 13C 4G NFC - amta=OK
      86867307 Xiaomi 23108RN04Y - Redmi 13C - amta=OK
      86745706 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86271706 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86436806 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86749306 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86074406 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86753406 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86516707 Xiaomi 23053RN02Y - Redmi 12 - amta=OK
      86782606 - POCO F6 Pro - amta=CHECK
      86094906 Xiaomi 2312DRA50G - Redmi Note 13 Pro - amta=OK
      86111406 Xiaomi 2312DRA50G - Redmi Note 13 Pro - amta=OK
      86467407 Xiaomi 2312DRA50G - Redmi Note 13 Pro - amta=OK
      86237707 - Redmi Note 13 Pro - amta=CHECK
      86159307 - POCO F6 - amta=CHECK
      86459506 Xiaomi 23090RA98G - Redmi Note 13 Pro Plus - amta=OK
      86845106 Xiaomi 23090RA98G - Redmi Note 13 Pro Plus - amta=OK
      86874107 Xiaomi 23090RA98G - Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - amta=OK
      86152007 - Redmi Note 13 Pro Plus - amta=CHECK
      86221006 Xiaomi 2312DRAABG - Redmi Note 13 5G - amta=OK
      86869907 Xiaomi 2312DRAABG - Redmi Note 13 - amta=OK
      86069807 Xiaomi 2312DRAABG - Redmi Note 13 5G - amta=OK
      86015307 - Redmi 13 - amta=CHECK

      • Thanks for this mate bloody useful

      • Hi, could you check the first 8 digit IMEI of any phone? Other than phones that you have.

        • +1

          Yes. Here is list from those TACs with more data followed by a list of random Xiaomi models for those interested (Blockinator AI takes no responsibility for errors or homicides as humans provided some data):-

          86036306 Redmi 13C 4G NFC - Xiaomi 23108RN04Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86250706 Redmi 13C - Xiaomi 23108RN04Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86796407 Redmi 13C - Xiaomi 23108RN04Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86603807 Redmi 13C - Xiaomi 23108RN04Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86867307 Redmi 13C - Xiaomi 23108RN04Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86745706 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86271706 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86436806 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86749306 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86074406 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86753406 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86516707 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86021607 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86782606 POCO F6 Pro - Xiaomi 23113RKC6G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86462506 POCO F6 Pro - Xiaomi 23113RKC6G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86094906 Redmi Note 13 Pro - Xiaomi 2312DRA50G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86111406 Redmi Note 13 Pro - Xiaomi 2312DRA50G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86467407 Redmi Note 13 Pro - Xiaomi 2312DRA50G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86237707 Redmi Note 13 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86938007 Redmi Note 13 Pro - Xiaomi 2312DRA50G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86159307 POCO F6 - Xiaomi 24069PC21G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86631607 POCO F6 - Xiaomi 24069PC21G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86331807 POCO F6 - Xiaomi 24069PC21G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86459506 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86845106 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86874107 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86152007 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86730207 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86208607 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86440507 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86441107 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86221006 Redmi Note 13 5G - Xiaomi 2312DRAABG (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86869907 Redmi Note 13 - Xiaomi 2312DRAABG (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86069807 Redmi Note 13 5G - Xiaomi 2312DRAABG (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86506307 Redmi Note 13 5G - Xiaomi 2312DRAABG (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86415107 Redmi Note 13 5G - Xiaomi 2312DRAABG (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86768007 Redmi Note 13 5G - Xiaomi 2312DRAABG (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86015307 Redmi 13 - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86316807 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86217207 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86808207 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86833307 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86709807 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86847707 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86462907 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86586507 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86624907 Redmi 13 4G NFC - Xiaomi 24040RN64Y (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)

          Following are just a random collection:-

          86406404 Poco F2 Pro M2004J11G - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86917205 Poco F3 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86759205 Poco M3 Pro 5g - Xiaomi M2103K19PG (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86395705 Poco X3 GT 21061110AG - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86144005 Poco X3 NFC - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86923605 Poco X3 NFC - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86605106 POCO X5 5G - Xiaomi 22111317PG (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86916806 POCO X5 Pro 5G - Xiaomi 22101320G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86783706 POCO X6 5G - Xiaomi 23122PCD1G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86347806 POCO X6 Pro 5G - Xiaomi 2311DRK48G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86750407 Redmi A3 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86740604 Redmi 9 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86731104 Redmi Note 7 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86727304 Redmi Note 8T - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86787005 Redmi Note 9 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86865605 Redmi Note 9 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          35530479 Redmi Note 12 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86094906 Redmi Note 13 Pro - Xiaomi 2312DRA50G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86640005 Redmi 10 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86412206 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02A (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86745706 Redmi 12 - Xiaomi 23053RN02Y (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86058906 Redmi 13 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86719807 Redmi 13C - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86191407 Redmi 13C - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86148905 Redmi Note 10 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86360005 Redmi Note 10 Pro M2101K6R - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86071006 Redmi Note 10 Pro M2101K6G - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86926406 Redmi Note 11 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86679706 Redmi Note 11 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86784606 Redmi Note 12 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86401006 Redmi Note 12 5G - Xiaomi 22111317G (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86575306 Redmi Note 12 4g 23027RAD4I - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86664606 Redmi Note 12 Pro 22101316G - Xiaomi 22101316G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86997206 Redmi Note 13 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86094906 Redmi Note 13 Pro - Xiaomi 2312DRA50G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86845106 Redmi Note 13 Pro+ - Xiaomi 23090RA98G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86843905 Xiaomi Blackshark 4 PRS-H0 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86843905 Xiaomi Blackshark 4 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86198706 Xiaomi Blackshark 4 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86764806 Xiaomi Blackshark 5 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86542706 Xiaomi Blackshark 5 Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86572605 Xiaomi 11T - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86454005 Xiaomi 11T - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86329005 Xiaomi 11T Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86058805 Xiaomi 11 lite 5G NE - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86058906 Xiaomi 13 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86933506 Xiaomi 13 Ultra - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86158506 Xiaomi 13T Pro - Xiaomi 23078PND5G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86148206 Xiaomi 14 - Xiaomi 23127PN0CG (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86749806 Xiaomi 14 Ultra - Xiaomi 24030PN60G (amta=OK)(telstra=OK)
          86901807 Xiaomi 14T Pro - Xiaomi 2407FPN8EG (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86138304 Xiaomi Mi 9T - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86021104 Xiaomi Mi 10 5g - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86402505 Xiaomi Mi 10T - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86710505 Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86828505 Xiaomi Mi 11 - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86177505 Xiaomi Mi 11 Lite - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)
          86918305 Xiaomi Mi 11 Lite 5g - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=BLOCK)
          86786905 Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra - (amta=CHECK)(telstra=OK)

          • @Costanza: From what I gather, Telstra is a more detailed version of AMTA check?

            There's no cases of AMTA=block, and Telstra=OK?

            • @KaitoKid1412: AFAIK amta OK was supposed to mean good on all networks, CHECK if anyone has a block but there would be delays between updates etc. Best to check your actual TAC with the Telco your moving to.

              • @Costanza: I had a device return a CHECK on AMTA that got blocked across Telstra and Optus. I had previously confirmed it was functioning fine on Voda 4G after their 3G shutdown, but that was prior to the new E000 lte block direction. I've also only recently found info on Vodafone about 'Approved Devices List' and that they may / will block other devices that don't have a written authorisation.

                • @xwx: Had a small approved list for as long as I can remember. Probably only getting attention because of E000. Just covering their..

                  PS Better description of amta CHECK = Unknown as good

              • @Costanza: I see, does Optus have a check website, or need to talk to them? I haven't been blocked (yet?). I made a mistake of swapping away from Telstra even though I passed Telstra check as I thought Telstra was the fussy one.

                Now I think I'll just wait to see how Optus goes

    • Just a heads up. I end up finding a Xiaomi Redmi note 13 pro with one the above TAC numbers and wanted to confirm with vodafone that it is whitelisted. To my surprise Vodafone is now saying device is not compatible. So i think best to avoid Xiaomi at least for now.

    • for some reason, this page/blog post has been removed

  • +14

    Sent the following to Channel Nine.

    Good morning.

    An increasing number of people are wondering why the total stuff up of the 3G transition rhat has rendered tens of if not hundreds of thousands of Australian mobile phones unusable has been TOTALLY INVISIBLE IN THE MASS MEDIA !!

    People are being asked to shell out a large amount of money to buy a new phone because of some arcane technical issue involving 000 emergency calls that could have been solved in advance if the manufacturers had been warned of what was going to happen.. but no the government changed the rules by legislation at the 11th hour and stuffed everyone up.

    Deserves a run on A Current Affair at the VERY LEAST!

    Cheers

    Dennis Leman
    Gold Coast

    • +1

      TOTALLY INVISIBLE IN THE MASS MEDIA

      The media are just a soapbox for sponsors They all died years ago haven't you worked that out yet

      You just have to look at the recent harvey norman court case, 20 million dollar theft from customers just swept under the carpet.
      Australian media is a joke

    • +1

      bloody legend thanks for doing that mate. This has motivated me to send through an email to the media. Now coming to think of it might as well send an email to the minister as well.

    • +1

      Thanks mate

    • +1

      I'm not too surprised, the telco's are some of the largest Ad spenders in Australia.

      As someone else had mentioned, there is evidence that some media are hesitant to be critical of the large ad spenders (harvey norman)

  • +2

    (Not so) fun fact: as of this morning, both my phones are blocked (Xiaomi Redmi note 5 and Poco M4 Pro 5G, which passes the Telstra IMEI check) although both are able to call 000 on 4G/Volte, with or without a sim.

    • You might be in luck with your Xiaomi…
      They are working on getting TAC numbers for AU devices compliant, their statement was shared by @Costanza

      • Thanks, I read the comment, but who knows how long that will take… I had ordered a new phone but I cancelled the order earlier today as I can't be sure it would work. Let's see how this dumpster fire goes…

        • Hey mate, I have got Xiaomi Redmi note 5 as well and got blocked today.
          Is your TAC 868622 (first six digits of IMEI Number)?

          • @djoz: Mine is 869794, FWIW I emailed Xiaomi but they said "For legacy models and other non-AU models, we are still discussing with HQ for a plan.", where legacy is anything before Dec '23.

            • @RiseAndRuin:

              legacy is anything before Dec '23

              mattdamonrapidlyaging.gif

    • +5

      I have two blocked devices now and the only thing you can do with them is call 000. So they have blocked them cause you cant call 000 right government and telco defenders in this thread?

      • +1

        !!!!!!! well said

      • Sure, I totally acknowledge your pain and understand (and certainly share much of) your frustration. However, 3G towers are NOT ALL offline yet even if they are blocking the standard phone data message services via the 3G networks. So, even some 3G only phones in some locations can still call 000 in an emergency even if they are not 4G phones. Some phones that people believed are entirely 4G LTE phones, but maybe relied on 3G or are actually ok but the Carrier simply doesn't know can definitely do 000 via 4G LTE roam are at least showing SOS Emergency call capability. Honestly, whilst certainly massively annoying for those many of us whom have lost service through this debacle, the fact that someone could still at least call 000 if their life depended on it… Is a good thing.

        • +3

          Yes i agree a good thing 000 can still be called… I just don't agree that blocking of phones helps in any way. Still better to have phones that can work but cant call 000 than phones that don't work at all IMO.

          • +1

            @jtc13: Not an unreasonable view. The mobile Telcos have, however, always had an obligation to ensure that 000 calls do work (eg mobile and landline, but notably not the likes of the early VOIP SIP platforms). The mobile carrier network operators now have an expressly stated requirement to deny service and block devices that can't do it. Whilst there is plenty of fault and fury to lay at the feet of the AU Govt and Telcos, and I do I agree it should and perhaps could have been better implemented, a great part of this is the result of the lack of industry 4G LTE standards (unlike what we do enjoy with 3G). Which is a problem globally and will continue to cause issues like this - eg you're travelling UK with your Aussie phone and maybe unable to reach 112 or 911 in USA because of the different and non-standard 4G LTE implementations.

            • +3

              @xwx: I have to strongly disagree. The Telcos are supposed to do their due diligence and find out if devices are able to call 000 on 4G/volte before blocking them, instead they're more than happy to force users to buy new phones from them to make sure they work.

              • @RiseAndRuin: I agree with that, and the directions are written in such a manner. Sadly, the timing for compliance was not, so they took a best-endeavours ban-hammer approach by privileging general demonstrable compliance (see Minister, ACMA, we complied: as they point to the fields of dead phones), rather than "we have not actually banned anything yet, because we are taking the weeks or months to develop, test, and deploy a device-specific technical solution" (which incidentally, would have required all 3 of them cooperating in a working group together.

                • +5

                  @xwx: Telcos could have easily pushed back and told the Minister they needed more time, as they do when it benefits them, instead they took the opportunity to make money. Let's stop defending this disgraceful behaviour please.

              • +2

                @RiseAndRuin: This. They are to actually check if each device is capable of dialing 000 on 4G VOLTE rather than blanket banning every phone that they are not sure will work or not.

    • How do you know Xiaomi Redmi note 5 is able to call 000 over VoLTE?

      • +1

        I uploaded the link to the screenshots in a previous comment, I had to call 000 on my neighbours many times going back to mid 2023, all calls are shown on 4G/volte.

        • Would that be because the Optus network was actually available for you?
          The consideration is that if Optus and Vodafone are not available and you need to make a call to 000, you would not be able to do so via Telstra VoLTE, which is why we are impacted.

          My Redmi Note 5 got blocked today morning too.

          • @djoz: It's too messy to tell for now, but my M4 Pro also got blocked on all networks, although it passes the Telstra IMEI check. If you disable the automatic network selection for your sim, you should be able to see what networks are available to you and depending on your phone, where you've been blocked.

            • @RiseAndRuin: Have you tried a Telstra Sim in it? Would it work given it passed the Telstra check?

              • @KaitoKid1412: No, I gave up and ordered a Moto g04 for now, as I can't afford to waste any more time right now.

    • Dang… there goes my plan B to move to Telstra

      • Moving to Telstra may work, the person you are replying to did not try their phone on Telstra network. They passed the Telstra check.

        There's every possibility it will work on Telstra (or maybe it doesn't). I've yet to see evidence of the outcome of this case

        • It stopped working on my yesterday.

          My Poco F3 IMEI is safe according to Telstra check and was still working up until yesterday then lost signal :(

  • +3

    Parsed devices with non-expired EMV certifications (This is one of the requirements for Google Wallet to work) and that had their certification document with production sample TAC listed.

    Telstra says: Not Okay

    Sony Corporation XQ-EC54 35965166
    Honor Device Co.,Ltd. HONOR 90 Smart 86798407
    Sony Corporation XQ-ES54 35819272
    CROSSCALL Stellar-X5 35259666
    Sony Corporation XQ-DE54 35947377
    Sony Corporation XQ-DC54 35909579
    Sony Corporation XQ-DQ54 35004648
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi Note 12 Pro 86741406
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi Note 12 Pro 86224406
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi Note 12 86914606
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi Note 12 5G 86401006
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. POCO X5 5G 86605106
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi 10C 86239006
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi Note 10T 86942206
    Xiaomi Communications Co., Ltd. Redmi Note 11 86415405
    Sony Corporation XQ-CC54 35175147
    Sony Corporation XQ-CQ54 35777435
    Sony Corporation XQ-CT72 35951038
    Blackshark Technologies (Nanchang) Co Ltd Black Shark 5 86764806
    Blackshark Technologies (Nanchang) Co Ltd Black Shark 4 Pro 86198706
    Blackshark Technologies (Nanchang) Co Ltd Black Shark 5 Pro 86278505

    These should all be blocked on Telstra, as far as I can tell. The blocked Sony list is in reality much larger, since someone pointed me towards their update server with the list of currently supported products and their TAC. (Note that Sony pulled out of most markets, including Australia, many years ago. So any of their new stuff is grey imports here.)

    For some reason the POCO X5 5G Pro comes up as fine, as does both of the sample Poco X6 samples. Among other models.

    Telstra says: I dunno probably works

    <snipped>
    Moved into a gist because thread size.
    https://gist.github.com/namidairo/029d81204a9f7776b02ae708ac…

    The site may be out of date, so this list may be subject to change as they get around to testing or confirming with manufacturers as to how broken their roms are…

    • +1

      And yet several have reported their Redmi Note 13 / Pro no longer working !

  • Xiaomi 11 Pro 5G still working on Amaysim.

  • +1

    Redmi Note 7 Pro (CN) with No B28, driving around, no service, and then service appears. Seems the cell towers maybe hold a block list. Been very patchy for the last 3-4 hours.

    Catch Mobile with active VoLTE (but prob no E000 4G, never tried)

  • TLDR - Voda may not be the 4G lifeboat for long: you might spend 6 months only days in that leaky boat…

    Not sure how recent is this Voda support page, and I think notable it sits in their 'legal' section…
    If recent, Vodafone intend to take the following approach: restricted to 'an approved devices list'

    If this page is essentially their 'whitelist' there may be no 4G LTE service refuge available for long with Vodafone.
    (EG I havent tried my Mate10 again on Voda but, it certainly had no issues when I confirmed 4G LTE after they had long-shut their 3G network; however, now being absent from this 'approved devices list', the same phone appears destined for a service block also on Voda. * My Voda test was also prior the recent E000 LTE roam stuff but at Carrier level the result should have been the same as my successful test with Optus).

    Journey to that Voda page was via their 3G Shutdown support page

    How to check if my phone will be affected?
    To know if your device will be affected by this change, try our SMS device checker tool by sending SMS 3 to 3498.

    If you’ve identified that you have a 3G-only phone, then you will no longer be able to make calls (including emergency 000 calls). We recommend you upgrade your phone to a 4G or 5G compatible approved device to continue having mobile service.

  • +4

    I just got in touch with Xiaomi Australia and requested them to liaise with the telecom operators to add my device TAC (Poco F4 5G) to the whitelist. This is what they came back with:

    Hi xxx,
    please refer to our blog for updates:
    https://xiaomitech.com.au/blogs/news/notice-on-3g-shutdown-a…

    for your model, unfortunately it won't be able to get whitelist at the stage.
    we are working with HQ for a plan on legacy models and other non-AU models.

    So now we can be sure that Xiaomi HQ is aware of this and hopefully will help us out sooner rather than later.

    • for your model, unfortunately it won't be able to get whitelist at the stage.

      Well I mean is there somewhere in the technical specifications where it formally states it can do 4G VOLTE E000? Otherwise they can't exactly legally push the telcos to whitelist it.

      • +1

        Agree but the government can definitely push the Telco's to follow the directive in the legislation which states the telecom providers have to check each device and only if they find it to be not able to dial 000 on 4G VOLTE are they supposed to block it. But telcos are not doing that, doing a blanket ban with no standardization with each telco doing whatever suits them best and worse not telling the public the basis on which they are blacklisting the phones.

    • +1

      Really as my Xiaomi Mi 10T pro is blocked by Optus and failed the AMTA check..

      • My Mi 10 is blocked by Optus and Vodafone

        • What is the outcome trying with Telstra?

  • +3

    Xiaomi Australia confirmed if you buy a phone from ali with a white listed TAC it will work in Australia.

    • Can we check that before buying?

      Is the TAC just the first 8 digits of the IMEI?

      • +1

        You can ask the seller. Seller will let you know

      • +1

        Yes. TAC is first 8 digit

  • Wondering if the 000 switchboard got flooded with phantom calls in last few days.

  • +5

    The issue now is the telcos control the list and even if a new phone comes out and you want to buy it, you'll need to check it with their list. Most importantly telcos now have the power to band it as they see fit. All they have to say is your phone is not 000 compatible. This is sad.

  • This is Telstra's 3G Network Closure: Blocked Devices Checker: https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/3G-Network-Closure-Block…
    My Mi 10 is blocked according to this checker.

  • Lots of talk about Xiaomis being unbanned, any changes to OnePlus devices?

    • +1

      That is because people have been pressurizing Xiaomi left and right and Xiaomi likely believes that it will hurt their image so bad and considering the global ambitions they have they want to maintain a good image of their brand. Do you own a Oneplus device? If yes have you pressurized Oneplus on this matter?

      • +1

        It's quite a well-known fact that OnePlus doesn't know Australia exists :)

  • If you're buying a gray phone ask the vendor to check the IMEI against the Telstra White List before despatch. Will save you buying a dud. Applies to all gray phones, not just Xiaomi.
    Assumes Telstra is your carrier.
    https://www.telstrawholesale.com.au/3G-Network-Closure-Block…

    • +4

      I don't think that tool is accurate.

      Says my phone is ok, but still got blocked.

  • So Telstra are vetting all mobiles against a reference list of IMEI eight digit roots that allegedly pass the 4G Volte 000 test. Applies to ALL makes. Fail and you're out! Where did that list come from .. 🤔 ??

    • +1

      First 8 digits of IMEI are the TAC (Type Allocation Code). Plenty of information around these OB threads, whirlpool and reddit with the details on why the OK / Block lists are being operated that way. It is a very blunt and not entirely accurate approach, also broader than is required by the ECS E000 Directions but its what we're facing just now. Each Carrier (T O V) is implementing it independently due to the underlying differences between Telstra and the other 2 in how their network technology handles the LTE from devices.

      • Yes I understand all thaf …but where was the TAC list of qualifying IMEI roots (4G Volte 000) sourced?? This is the 'do or die list'.

        • +3

          TLDR: There is no single-sourced, shared, collated, TAC list among the Telcos. If you want the actual TAC DB you're going to need to pay to become a member of the GSMA (and a fair bit more than just that). In the context of this situation here in our AU mobile telecommunications market, well, techies on various forums are doing their level-best to describe the underlying situation and provide informal lists for the public based on their own generous research (eg James Parker, Spectrix, and others). Each Telco Carrier (Telstra Optus Voda) are approaching and implementing this whole thing differently (eg timing, geography, and process), as they each try to consistently comply with the Oct 2024 ECS instructions based on updates to (maybe just clarifications of) ECS Determinations.

          Telstra Wholesale have (only very recently) provided a TAC checkpage (that was hastily deployed, is evolving, not guaranteed to be absolutely accurate, nor complete); and the AMTA page is not going to give reliable results consistent with this new 4G LTE E000 roam block requirements because it was designed and deployed for identifying devices that would either: stop working when 3G shutdown, would definitely keep working; might keep working but need an update; unknown and it depended on the device and which telco the customer was using.

          Longer version:
          Sorry, I'm not sure that you do understand all that. I'm reasonably familiar with it and I can say this for myself: I definitely don't understand all that (and the more of it I do understand, well, knowledge is not happiness). There are, frankly, relatively few who do (across the entire domain of this from the variety of open/closed hardware and comms protocols, the (lack of) industry / global standards [4G LTE has a standard, voice on 4G does not], to the Mobile-Comms Technology Operating environment and Product compliance and Telecommunications legislation etc per each market). And right now, those people are likely working 36hr days to keep things going whilst they implement the changes required.

          Unlike 3G, the 4G LTE stuff is (an exciting) dog's breakfast. 4G LTE data standards were set quite some time ago by GSMA (Telcos & manufacturers globally); no-one agreed on voice over LTE, so in Australia alone for example: we have 2 different implementations by Telstra and then Optus & Voda.

          There was not a 'sourced list' of TACs, each Telco is literally updating (or building from scratch) based on their best judgement (lots of arguments to be had here no doubt) as they go, to comply with the recent directions (about an obligation they have had for a very long time - to accept and properly route 000 calls). That was all* fine and dandy when 3G was around because of (remember those standards I mentioned) an implementation called 3G carrier-switch fallback. So, your phone mfr complied with that, and because of the Global standard, generally so did all the Telcos. So your phone could call 000 without a sim and some other cool things to help Emergency Services find and save your life.

          4G LTE globally, and even just simply here in Australia. Is. Not. Like. That. Anymore. It is why 3G networks are still on around the place and people (like me) can still see and (if necessary, in a life-threatening emergency) call 000 if I need, and it will work; even though my device has been blocked from standard phone services (voice, data, messages). When the Optus network sht the bed and the following investigation identified the range of 'exotic' non-AU compliant devices, in conjunction with the (remember I said lack of 4G LTE standards) fact people had 000 call fails, things got spicey about whether Australia (Telcos, devices whether imported by distribution or just individuals, and end users) was actually really ready for 4G LTE to 'failsafe ensure' 000 calls. It was not. Hence, a hammer. Because Telcos have long been required to ensure mobile devices connected to their network can make 000 calls.

          TACs are issued by the GSMA (remember I mentioned that Global Association that functions to help develiop and ratify standards among this industry) to device manufacturers, who then (generally) work with the Telcos to get their devices properly configured for a specific market (And, if the manufacturer wants it imported and distributed in Australia for example, that mfr also needs to ensure compliance; but for ppl who bought overseas or brought in from OS then they are the importer). It was easy(ier) for 3G because there were Global industry standards and it didn't (so much) matter on the hardware because they all* generally implemented that standard.

          So now, to the TACs and the lists (not to mention how the Telcos are handling compliance). They have devices and device cohorts they know well (because they are popular eg certain Apple and Samsung devices and those manufactures have an incentive to make sure it works); and they have others they know well because the Telcos themselves sell them through their own retail channels.

          Without standards that are well understood, and implemented; you can have either choice & freedom, or you can have reliability and compliance across the entire market… but you cannot have both (unless it occurs by luck). So this carnage now is to restore a priority to reliability and compliance at the (quite abrupt) cost of choice and freedom, with a whole cohort of unintended victims (those with devices or configs that are actually compliant).

          • +1

            @xwx: I need a lie down after reading that….thanks for the info tho xwx

            • @cappie: yah, sorry, I've been rather 'animated and energized' by the unnecessary fiasco to what was otherwise going to have some bumps anyway, and have thus been drinking a lot since the 24th of October ;)

              I understand the confusion out there and people reaching for answers, an explanation, or just to have their phone services not abruptly terminated; I'm in the same boat despite making substantial efforts to prepare until late October when the impacts became unavoidable for (some) otherwise prepared end-user.

              Once you've had your lie down, if you remain interested: there are far more in-depth (and definitely coherent) explorations, analysis and explanations around the place (from people who made serious efforts to ensure the Industry and Government & Regulators better prepared, planned, and implemented this change).

              • +1

                @xwx: I'm just glad that this whole saga doesnt affect me. I have an iPhone SE 2022. I'm only interested because my mate has just received a new Xiaomi Redmi Note 13 Pro last week and was worried that the phone would not be compliant and consequently not work. There was a list provided earlier of Xiaomi IMEI's (first 8 digits) which includes my mates IMEI, so he is relieved that it should function.
                The lie down comment was my attempt at being witty ;-)

                • @cappie: T'was witty and appropriate for the marathon of text I provided! Brought a smile to my face :)
                  Yah, if your friend phone TAC is in the list he will* be fine (either currently, or once Xiaomi AU have the TAC reviewed and verified by each Telco). * Based on current approach of yes/no by TAC, rather than a specific device (which would be more accurate). The device firmware and LTE carrier Configs is equally as important as the hardware (perhaps even more so), and that may affect his actual real world experience if the specific device variant was originally not destined for AU. Recent indications from Xiaomi do seem promising in dealing with that though.

  • +11

    ABC article today morning:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-03/brand-new-phones-unab…

    If a dupe share, apologies - a mod may delete my post

    • +1

      It's definitely not a dupe. Thanks for sharing. Interesting he has a Redmi Note 13 which is what we have been discussing, and i have said in several comments in this thread, what i hate about this is buying the phone from Ali it'll likely be blocked and yet JB is selling the exact same phone for double the price and that one will work.

      That's just evidence they are using this to force us to buy it from local retailers to boost their sales. Hoping that Xaomi can sort it out as that is the exact type of phone i am looking to get to replace my now dead Redmi Note 9 and i am not at all keen on paying $600-700 to get from JB what i can for $300-400 from Ali.

      • +1

        Before buying from ali check TAC. If it is whitelisted you are good.

        • +2

          No guarantee until you put in the SIM card

          My Poco F3 TAC 86485605 is whitelisted by Telstra but now has no signal with Telstra SIM. Used to work back on 31st Oct

          • @ozperson: Your TAC is not part of xiaomitech TAC white list.

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