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Should be pretty nice for productivity, seems to be a bit cheaper than msrp
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[Pre Order] Intel Core Ultra 9 285K CPU $983.91, Intel Core Ultra 7 265K CPU $679.61 Delivered @ PB Tech
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Correct. The review embargo lifts on the 24th October.
Intel's own press briefing says that these CPUs will not be faster (on average) than the previous generation for gaming, but will run cooler and have modest performance improvements in other benchmarks.
How often have products been released with an embargo more than a week in the future? IMHO it seems like a terrible marketing move.
AMD 5% vs Intel -2.85%
9950x3d may have the extra cache on both clusters, which would also boost productivity. I'd say wait for it
What the heck is a Core Ultra 285K?
The latest top of the range Intel desktop CPU, that has worse gaming performance than some of the previous generation Intel and AMD CPUs, but costs more.
this is 15th gen
so you also need this:
https://www.umart.com.au/product/gigabyte-z890-ud-wifi6e-lga…
typical price
and some ddr5
So what's the difference between this and a core i9?
This is the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K. Technically 15th gen, so before Intel changed to this weird naming, it probably would have been the i9-15900K.
@ldd-mn: ultra has the AI tweaks if you are into AI, it’s intels answer to the hype from qualcomm that you need their chip for AI, corporates buy laptops and home users not sure if the AI is a selling point ?
The difference is 276k
Nothing
It's the exact same underlying core architechure,just moved off intels factors
Onto TSMC
it's efffectivly a 14th gen cpu,with better efficiency and slighly less power draw.
These are dog shit cpus though
No gamer or productivity minded person is choosing a 285k..over a 7800X3D OR 7900X
@Mr Bob Dobalina: Costs more and performs worse. Note the 14th gen they compared it to in the 1st party benchmark was TDP limited compared to real world. Only has power efficiency as a key selling point.
@shellshocked: They also removed Hyper threading and boosted E core performance by 30% IPC with P core performance up by 9% IPC .. but clock speeds are down 10%
@reader64: exact same architecture other than the fact that it's completely different:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-arrow-la…
😂 what description haha
And there's no refresh for this gen CPU(LGA1851). So basically when new CPU comes out next year it will be a new socket and you would have to buy new mobo for new CPU
Stop spreading misinformation. Who said that?
Nova Lake is still rumoured to be the LGA 1851 - https://wccftech.com/intel-arrow-lake-s-desktop-cpu-refresh-…
@freefall101: Apparently too, they might port just the Panther Lake CPU Tile to an Arrow Lake package for a successor, basically the I/O, NPU and GPU tile will be the same as Arrow Lake but the CPU part will be new, still not decided yet but its considered as an option. Mind you this is coming from Moore's Law is Dead who is wrong more often than right, but whatever just thought the rumor was worth talking about. TBH I would skip Intel and Zen5 till a substantial performance lift occurs if you have Zen3 or Alder Lake or newer, CPUs are boring rn.
@KARMAAA: i'm not saying timlui is full of shit but Intel have NOT flat out said that they're NOT going to change socket after this gen
And so firstly, you dont want to buy buying 1st of THIS new socket… and 2nd you dont know what bullshit Intel is going to pull for 16th gen…
and as everyone said, we're all waiting for the 9800x3d
when that's out then you will know
i'm not saying timlui is full of shit but Intel have NOT flat out said that they're NOT going to change socket after this gen
I agree, but then again, neither have AMD confirmed anything really "new" for AM5. Zen5 could be the last AM5 gen and they might "support" AM5 till 2027 with refresh parts like the 5800XT was for AM4, but instead with a 9700XT or 9700X3D. Or they might have a small launch of lower end processors like an Athlon or something.
@KARMAAA: Yeah, there are rumours abound. I wouldn't think Intel would cancel the whole refresh and replace it with nothing, but who knows anymore with Intel.
I agree with you too, I have a 5700x3d and game at 4K - unless I buy a 5090 (or 6090) I really don't see any chance of me upgrading my CPU for a fair while.
@freefall101: intel have got long standing history of change sockets at the drop of a hat
as far as AMD goes…
how's that AM4 holding up guys?
That's good to know, saves me bothering even to look at it.
I'm pretty sure on Aliexpress will be mutants like Gen15 on whatever socket your old mobo is, including laptops.
Man, the performance must be so underwhelming that I didn't even see anything about this series anywhere else. Usually it's plastered over YouTube tech reviews predicting the results and analysing paper specs + ads on FB etc…
It's because the uhh review embargo nda thingy hasn't ended yet or it just ended…
Tech Yes City will cover it soon! (aussie utuber)
I thought that NDA thingy would be expired by the time it hits the shelf right? But I guess this is a preorder though.
Tech yes city only just got hands on the chips so Idk I'm guessing most tech reviewers just got the chips as well
Says a lot about the confidence Intel has in the product
Good for SFF builds tbh, less power the better, but then again Zen4 ECO mode has existed since 2022.
what does that do
Zen4 parts like the 7700x had a TDP of 105W ECO mode drops it to 65W.
@AndrewMTG: Not by much, a 7700 is a 7700X with a 65W TDP and 100 less MHz and its within 3% in apps and games.
@KARMAAA: KARMAA is right, there's little difference (basically nothing) between X and non-X parts, I'll just say that if you bought an X part (because it was less expensive at the time, otherwise you wouldn't), it might be good to look into the eco mode stuff in that case.
Why didn't u say Core Ultra 9 and 7 😭
$1k? 💀
plus $400-$500 motherboard
plus I hope you have some high speed ddr2
I have some not very high speed ddr2, do you want some ?
Plus 1k VGA, 250 PSU, and +100 to your monthly power bill.
Intel smoking some wicked shit.
the AI hype and qualcomm that have driven some update features on Intel as bloggers predict demise of intel as qualcomm takes over the cpu market …though qualcomm isn’t 100% compatible with legacy windows apps and runs legacy ones in emulation. For gamers on windows, AI probably isn’t the selling point for a desktop upgrade, and AI for better graphics, people might consider new graphics card rather than be limited to what’s in the CPU. I understand NPU being a sales pitch for corporate laptops at the next refresh meeting at work, not sure if home users upgrade desktops for better AI performance or care about less power. maybe next laptop i buy will be qualcomm if it’s under $800, but current $2000 qualcomm laptop hasn’t got me saving up.
9800X3D will be the CPU to get when it comes out.
No one should be buying this, or the AMD 9800X3D until they've watched AT LEAST 1 review after the review embargo, and assessed it for their use case and budget.
Here's why. This just happens to be the generation that Intel themselves, have said, paraphrasing here, that this CPU will not increase performance versus their 14th generation (current generation) and will instead 'roughly' match performance at a lower power draw target, but in some cases will actually perform worse.
So it'll make sense for some people to go find 13th or 14th gen used, it'll make sense for some people to wait for the rest of Zen 5 to launch for AMD prices to come down.
It is very unlikely, that it will make sense for you to pre-order, in this situation.
with clock speeds set at the SAME as the 9800X and 9950X the 3D versions will hands down be the worlds fastest gaming CPU
So for anyone wanting the fastest CPU even if its only 10% better then a 7800X3D … they CAN buy the 9800X3D without looking at reviews as its the fastest and they always fetch a premium be it in power usage or purchase price.
Reviews will be changing to the 9800X3D when they RTX 5090 comes out
Not sure why you've promoted pre-ordering this Intel CPU, but ok…
9800X3D has a very high chance of being the next go to CPU, depends if 7800X3Ds are around which seems like they're already going out of stock - and of course, the price of these Core Ultra things after some time, you never know… The non-8 core (12 and 16 core) X3Ds now and next gen, don't make sense for most people.
The RTX 5090 - for maximum performance, is almost a guarantee, there's virtually no hope from AMD or Intel. It is rumoured to be $2500 USD, we could be seeing $4200-4500 GPU prices for this thing if that's true, but yep, won't be beat. For sensible people, the 5080 will be interesting to see where it lands, as it too won't likely have competition either if its similar performing to a 4090, even if it's between a 4080 and 4090.
Desktop 15th gen is a dumpster fire and you don't need reviews to confirm that
Intel have switched to top tier TSMC 3nm and the best they can claim is gaming now uses 80W less power versus the 14900K with no performance boost
They also claim to be roughly equal to the 7950X3D in gaming which means the about to be released 9800X3D will remain number 1
And OP's comment:
Should be pretty nice for productivity…
is wishful thinking since Intel removed hyper-threading for 15th gen so they've gone backwards to 24 threads versus 32 on the 9950X
On top of all this, the costs of switching to the new socket mean prices on 15th gen CPU's and mobos are going to plummet faster than Intel's share price
Welcome back ChatGPT. I guess you got your account activated again, somehow.
It's not top tier TSMC 3nm, it's N3B, the second worst (arguably) 3nm TSMC node. More focused on power, rather than performance or transistor density. This is basically a mobile focused architecture ported to Desktop. It's like if Intel had made a Tiger Lake product on Desktop. It's just not made for this sort of thing. It might be good for NUC devices and SFF PC's, but for regular Desktop users or DIY it's a failure imo.
But I dunno, it depends, some people hated the hot chips of 13th and 14th gen, at least thats all AMD fanboys always blabbed about online is that Intel chips were too hot. Others didn't care because they wanted the performance like the Intel fanboys. Then you have the issues of Vmin Shift and such that plagued those Intel generations, so maybe after all Intel pushed their chips too hard to get the performance. In the end, I say skip both of these new gens from AMD and Intel, AMD went power focused and so did Intel and so if you're on Zen3 or later or if you're on Alder Lake and later, might as well just wait till there's a substantial uplift in performance before upgrading.
It's not top tier TSMC 3nm, it's N3B, the second worst (arguably) 3nm TSMC node.
TSMC 3nm is top tier for desktop x86 - we are not talking about the various E/B/P/X variants
AMD Zen 5 9950X is still using TSMC 4nm
Intel have an entire tier advantage in node size with 15th gen and based on their own best case marketing, are delivering questionable gains versus their own 14th gen let alone Zen 5
TSMC 3nm is top tier for desktop x86 - we are not talking about the various E/B/P/X variants
You never specified that in the first place, am I a mind reader? No I am not. Even so as I explain later TSMC 3nm is not actually superior depending on the 3nm node the chip designer used.
AMD Zen 5 9950X is still using TSMC 4nm
Yes, I'm well aware. However, TSMC N4X which is what Desktop Zen5 is using is not that far off N3B. In fact, it's better performance wise by about 5% (relative), not sure about logic scaling because no official number has been given for N4X, but I would say given Zen5 CCDs have about 26% more transistors in basically the same area as Zen4, it's probably around the range of 0.75-0.85x the logic size of N5. N3B is about 0.58x the size of N5 for the same transistor count and it uses about 25-30% less power for the same speed as N5 (we know N5 is very similar to Intel 7 (which is really under the old naming 10nm Superfin+). So it's just how Intel have decided to use the node (N3B) which is for power and logic, as well as packaging, rather than for performance.
Intel have an entire tier advantage in node size with 15th gen and based on their own best case marketing, are delivering questionable gains versus their own 14th gen let alone Zen 5
Yes because as I said, they ported a mobile focused architecture to Desktop. Arrow Lake is basically the same as Lunar Lake, it's essentially the same architecture, just scaled up for more cores and to have a weaker set of other tiles around it like NPU and GPU because those are traditonally not needed on Desktop because people use dGPU mostly, or dont need copilot features, thus they gave it a different code name. But it's really just a port with some modifications, the undelying structure of the core is very similar.
Therefore, it's not exactly rocket science to understand why it's not faster than 14th gen, which was probably overvolted to reach the clock speeds they got, this is a perf per watt focused architecture. If it's using 60% the power and it performs similarly then thats what they wanted. They probably could have pushed these chips to use 250W like Raptor Lake Refresh but it would maybe put them 20% ahead in applications and maybe 8-10% ahead in games. But thats not what they want they want to use the node advantage for power and it's probably smart to do so confisdering what a disaster 13th and 14th gen were in terms of stability by being pushed too hard.
I've been on Intel CPU's for the past 20years, my next upgrade wont be this chip, too much power usage, risk of breaking like 14000k series and no hyper threading, performance also down on last gen and doesn't beat a 7800X3D in games.
Only good for productivity boost if you like to run higher wattage CPU.
I'm sticking it out for better performance, more power efficiency (less cooling/noisy fans) for the AMD 99050X3D… hopefully not too far off…
This is exactly my thoughts too and the motherboards are cheaper too generally it seems!
9800X3D .. this year.. 9950X3D most likely next year and they may have switched them over to 2x 3D chiplets..
If they have any brains going by sales of the 7800X3D vs sales of the 7900X3D (that sells for the same price as the 7800X3D) and the 7950X3D :)
How much heat does this output, given winter is over?
After the Rapterlake fiasco I am staying away until next year….
Don't pre-order this…
9800X3D will be the CPU to get when it comes out.
Can't even see any reviews yet for this ?