Reversing Skeletal Fluorosis Caused by Fluoridated Water

This is my story about how I reversed a mild form of skeletal fluorosis.

How many people do you know that have a hunched back and/or rounded shoulders? To what extent can this be attributed to fluoride levels in the water? Are these symptoms we see in society actually a reflection of the lower end of the spectrum for skeletal fluorosis?

I am currently in the process of a decade long process to remove fluoride from my body. Even low amounts of fluoride can seemingly affect some people more than others. I happen to unluckily to be one of those people that are more sensitive to this chemical.

I do not know how long it will take to fully recover but the normal process of your body growing means it replaces your skeleton every 10 or so years. The fluoride in your bones is broken down and some of it is ultimately reprocessed into your new bones. What I wanted do was replace the fluoride in my bones with stronger minerals such as calcium, magnesium, phosphorous and so far I have been quite successful. These days I am pretty much standing upright and there is only a slight rounding of my shoulders.

When I was younger, I always wondered why I had a hunched back and I never really spent that much time behind a computer. In fact I would hear friends tell me that they would stay up all night playing Age of Empires 2, Doom, Diablo and other games for hours. I never did that and I was jealous because they sit with the weirdest lazy posture without having back problems!!! I could never explain why I looked the way I did until my science teacher at High School asked me what I brushed my teeth with, which was Colgate at the time, whilst also mentioning water fluoridation. At this point in time I didn't put all the information together.

At university when I was studying CHEM1901 and CHEM1902 at USYD was when everything finally clicked as a tutor that was working with me in the laboratory mentioned it to me. I also noticed I was very sensitive to the chemicals in the lab as ventilation was limited to the fume cupboard and the doors.

I don't know if there is a correlation to being sensitive to chemicals used in common science experiments in general, and sensitivity to fluoride. I suspect there is some correlation but I haven't been able to conduct any actual surveys or do research myself as pretty much not many people in the public are even aware of skeletal fluorosis. For one, the physiotherapists and chiropractors thought it was something to do with my posture but it wasn't.

Maybe this is a wake up call for those others who have been unsuccessful with correcting their posture. It could be a form of mild skeletal fluorosis caused by fluoridated water.

I still have vivid memories of rolling a towel along its shorter edge to create a long towel roll to place where my spine was, elevating a pillow to lie down on for multiple 10 minute sessions a day. It was not only painful but useless because it didn't bloody work and demoralised me in many ways I cannot explain.

Fluoride basically displaces other essential minerals from your bones and teeth. What I never understood was why there is this push for fluoridation. Fluoridated teeth and bones are more fragile because it displaces other minerals from your teeth and bones which is basic science. You want to assist the tooth to remineralise but if you understand the science you don't want to be remineralising with fluoride. Fluoride compounds are much less robust than the calcium, magnesium, phosphorous which it ultimately ends up displacing, leading to more brittle bones and teeth which is why the structure of the bones for those with skeletal fluorosis is much weakened leading to the "hunchback effect".

This is the real science which is hidden from the Australian public.

Skeletal fluorosis is actually more common than we think and I bet you have gone to someone at school who has a hunched back. It isn't genetic in most circumstances. It is an environmental problem caused by fluoride. At its early stages it can even be reversed by removing fluoride from the water you drink. Ultimately you are going to be consuming some amount of fluoride in grains, fruits and vegetables, and meat. You only need trace amounts of fluoride.

If you still think there is some usefulness of topical fluoride, then you could continue doing that but there is some science that topical fluoride displaces minerals and even prevents remineralisation. Either way, you should not be ingesting it in the concentration that it exists in our current water supply where it can end up in the rest of your skeleton. It's crazy how Australia is in the position it is, when many scandinavian countries don't fluoridate their water and have seen the same decrease in dental cavities because of modern dental interventions and education regarding brushing.

The history behind why we had fluoride added to water is because it was an industrial byproduct that was costly to dispose of. That's the real history.

Journal of Biomed Research

Due to fluorosis, people's teeth become weak and discoloured (dental fluorosis) and their bones become hollow and weak (skeletal fluorosis).

Fluoride is a known neurotoxin and is linked to lower IQ.

Maternal Urinary Fluoride and Child Neurobehavior at Age 36 Months

Systematic review of water fluoridation

We estimate that six people (95% confidence interval 4 to 21) would have to be exposed to water fluoride concentrations of 1.0 ppm for one additional person to develop fluorosis of any degree, compared with a theoretical low fluoride concentration of 0.4 ppm.

A lot of people are affected by fluorosis and probably don't know about it. This comes from the statistical inference that 1 in 6 people are affected by fluorosis at 1ppm which is gleamed from the systematic review journal article above and is the level that is targeted by Sydney Water and other Australian water authorities. What is a safe level? Obviously they should just remove it altogether to simplify the health framework because likely other parts of your diet already contain some amount of trace fluoride. You can add fluoride topically to your teeth if you need it. For me, I had a very low fluoride diet and I was still a victim. That shows you show sinister the current health status quo is.

I could point to hundreds of different snippets of information, but in essence this post is just a FYI if you are suffering some sort of hunched back which has not been able to be corrected through physiotherapy or chiropractic care. Try removing fluoride from your drinking water. You won't avoid fluoride altogether because trace amounts exist in our food supply, but I would not deem 1ppm to be trace amounts in Sydney's water supply since there are plenty of other articles about 1.5ppm causing skeletal fluorosis. Plainly 1ppm is much higher than it should naturally be. For those who want to claim "Gotcha, India has high natural levels of fluoride", and yep guess what, they have higher incidence of skeletal fluorosis. It is not cool.

To re-emphasise from above: These days I am pretty much standing upright and there is only a slight rounding of my shoulders. I basically look normal again! Removing fluoridated water from your diet works.

Comments

  • +2

    I’ve been having homeopathy with fluoride for years and the truth is, I’ve never been straighter.

    OP do you drink much tea?

  • -2

    Water distiller all the way.

  • +7

    Selective reading of available publications?

  • +8

    Did you actually confirm that you have skeletal flourosis with a medical professional?

    • +2

      Dr Google and Dr YouTube are highly qualified professionals.

  • +6

    Fluoride supplementation is one of the most heavily researched Public Health measure ever. The science is crystal clear about the benefits. The World Health Organisation declared that fluoridated water supplementation was the greatest Public Health measure of the 20th Century ( above antibiotics and such vaccines as smallpox etc ). Can understand philosophiical concerns about the additions of substances to our water supply…….drink dam water if anxious.
    Mottling of the teeth is the main consequence of excess fluoride intake.
    If you travel to some outback towns please understand that Fluoride levels may be high,,,,,,eg Barcaldine with over 3 times optimal fluoride levels. Bore water with slight increase in mottling, great teeth and no other consequences.
    Can't recall any Quasimodo results in the extensive literature.

      • +13

        Careful, Big Teeth will get you if you speak out too much

      • +3

        Dentists will tell you soft drink and lollies are not good for your teeth. The government will not stop an individual adult from self harm like drinking, eating junk food etc.. if they did they would ban fast food, alcohol and junk food - its not their job but its their job to implement overall benefits to a community like adding fluoride to water supply.
        As i understands fluoride is an easy public health measure - i had friends growing up that had tank water and their teeth were crap compared to those who drank tap water with fluoride- though very small sample and just observation without any data.

        • The government will not stop an individual adult from self harm like drinking, eating junk food etc..

          Is it not the government that implemented the health star rating on foods and drinks?

          My son tells me his Coke Zero which has 3.5 stars is healthy… I sigh.

          • +1

            @cloudy:

            My son tells me his Coke Zero which has 3.5 stars is healthy… I sigh.

            It's 3.5 stars compared to other drinks. Normal Coke is 0.5 stars or something.

            • @miicah: Plain milk is 4 stars for comparison, so my son says it’s almost the same healthy.

              Flavoured milk is also 3.5 stars, which has a ton of sugar compared to normal milk but only slightly less health and same healthiness as Coke Zero?

              Make of it what you will, but it’s clearly flawed IMO

        • Did your tank water friends brush with flouridated toothpaste, or are you claiming that flouridated toothpastes are completely inefective?

          • @t_c: Just my observation in a rural school where there were kids that were not hooked up to town water yet and just had tank water - this was in the long past when 5 cent worth of lollies was a white bag full of joy and special. I have no idea what toothpaste they used or their blushing habits so not claiming anything relating to toothpaste but interesting to ponder. I dont even recall what toothpaste i used when a kid. Was flouridated toothpaste normal thing in Australia half a century ago?

      • +3

        If the government truly cared about (insert a million different possibilities here) they'd (insert a million different possibilities here).

  • +13

    Hey OP - any chance you could, just for once, come back to the topic you started and take part in the conversation?
    Is there some point to your trolling pretending to be information?
    So far your 3 posts since joining a couple of weeks back appear to be attempts to get people riled up (in none of which you responded).

    Is this a deliberate attempt to turn OzBargain into 'In the News' on Whirlpool?

  • +6

    I joined for the bargains (¬_¬)

  • And at what point can you attribure any of the hudreds of other things that you have done over the 10 years to potentially resovling your issue. It is techncially impossible tyto suggest that only removal of flouride from your diet has helped resolve your issue, nor that it could have caused it in the first place. How can you prove it wasnt something else that caused it, be it genetic or some other predisposition?

  • +30
    #weeklycookerthread
    • Agreed, we need more suitable forum tag than "health & beauty".

  • +11

    anyone who studied chemistry at university level would reject your poorly argued position outright.

    • +4

      So you trust big chemistry? You have been indoctrinated by the corrupt university system. I did my own research and found out the truth!!! /sarcasm tag

    • Yeah, I did organic and Fl / fluoride is a bigger molecule than the main ones we studied. Leading to potential bioaccumulation.

  • +17

    The real culprit isn't actually fluoride, but consumption of dihydrogen monoxide which gets mixed in with the fluoride.
    Had a friend's friend with a similar condition as the OP, they avoided consuming dihydrogen monoxide for a week and all their problems were gone, never heard any complaints again.

    • +4

      never heard any complaints from them again

      FTFY

    • +1

      wheezing

  • -4

    What on earth, this is absolutely weapons grade nonsensical pseudoscience.. congratulations. Even as a strong anti vaxxer myself, you sound completely cooked.

    Just do some deadlifts and eat protein.

    • +6

      Takes one to know one, I guess??

    • +1

      Just anti-COVID vax or anti-everything vax?

  • +7

    i hate the internet

  • +4

    You sound like the gym bros i heard raving about drinking raw milk

    • When I was growing up in the 40's we had 2 cows, that's the milk we drank. Milk wasn't pasteurised in Australia till the mid 50's

      • +12

        back in the 40s doctors prescribed cigarettes so what's your point?

        • +3

          good old days when they prescribed heroin in children's cough syrup, take me back

          • @May4th:

            good old days when they prescribed heroin in children's cough syrup, take me back

            Don't forget Ticarda drops in 70's.

    • +1

      Pure early breast milk full of colostrum is the only way to go.

      Straight from the source of course

  • +3

    Peak OzBargain.

  • +2

    Hey Vita85 and Matrix Attack. You appear to be suffering from the diabolical consequences of fluoride ingestion which 26 million Australians have fortunately avoided.
    Your nonsensical ramblings make for torturous reading.

  • +5

    Wow. I. Just. errrm.
    Let's start with the
    It's just that the
    I really … … 🤔 … …
    Just hope you're OK.

  • +4

    Here I am brushing my teeth with Neutrafluor 5000

  • +7

    Oh, ffs, of all the stupid shit I’ve read this week… this is 100% making it to the Monday roundup.

    What a price to pay though, can now stand up straight but all your teeth will start rotting out.

    I’ve heard that Bill Gates COVID nano bots use fluoride as fuel, gonna be hard to pick up 5G without it and through that tin foil hat…

    Just wait till you hear of all the places fluoride occurs naturally…

  • I guy in college had dental fluorosis. I thought he was really cute actually, I wouldn't have changed it.

  • +1
  • +3

    Lol attributing fluoride to hunched back or rounded shoulders. Now Ive heard it all….

    • +2

      Don't forget IQ! Though for OP I feel like that might unfortunately be a preexisting condition, and not anything to do with the fluoride.

  • +5

    This is why I only drink beer.

  • Pure Water stonks have gone through the roof.

    (profanity) strengthening your scapula, rotator cuffs and posterior chain. Just drink pure water to fix your Biomechanics and shit postural genetics.

  • -5
    Indian water authorities are responding to the high incidence of skeletal fluorosis from high levels of environmental fluoride:

    Recent Developments in Defluoridation of Drinking Water in India Conference paper
    Presence of high fluorides in groundwater has caused systemic fluorosis to become an endemic problem in many countries of the developing world, namely, India, Sri Lanka and many African nations. It is a conclusive fact that higher concentration of fluoride (beyond 1.5 mg/L) can cause teeth mottling and still higher concentrations may lead to different major health hazards including skeletal and neurological problems. The fluoride level in water in India ranges from 2 to 29 ppm, whereas the permissible level in drinking water according to WHO standard is 1.5 ppm and BIS 10500 permits only 1 ppm fluoride in drinking water. (This is a problem in many places, including China, Iran, and numerous African nations).

    — Dubey, S., Agarwal, M., Gupta, A.B. (2018). Recent Developments in Defluoridation of Drinking Water in India. In: Singh, V., Yadav, S., Yadava, R. (eds) Environmental Pollution. Water Science and Technology Library, vol 77. Springer, Singapore. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-10-5792-2_28

    The deemed safe threshold is 1.0mg/L, so unless whatever water you're ingesting is much higher, you shouldn't have a problem. Perhaps tank water / local supply has been contaminated for a decade or more?

    Fluorine (fluoride) is beneficial to human health in low concentration but toxic in excess. One of the main exposure routes is via drinking water. It is unproven whether fluoride is essential for health but numerous studies have demonstrated that low concentrations in drinking water (0-0.5 mg L-1) are associated with increased dental caries (tooth decay) rates whereas contents of 0.5-1.5 mg L-1 are protective against the disease. As a result, fluoride is widely used in dental products and water fluoridation programs have been implemented in many countries. However, exposure to higher concentrations via drinking water (> 1.5 mg L-1), some teas and fluoride-contaminated salt and the burning of high-fluoride fuels can cause deformities of the hard tissues, namely dental and skeletal fluorosis. Dental fluorosis is an irregular calcification disorder of the enamel-forming process during childhood leading to pitted, stained and eroded teeth. In contrast, skeletal fluorosis is a crippling disease caused by over-mineralization of the bones and joints as a result of longer term exposure to high fluoride intakes. It is estimated that these diseases affect over 70 million people globally, limiting their ability to work and support their families. Hence the need for better understanding of environmental exposure to help mitigate these health outcomes.
    — Fordyce, Fiona M.. 2011 Fluorine : human health risks. In: Nriagu, J.O., (ed.) Encyclopedia of environmental health Vol. 2. Elsevier, 776-785.
    http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/71…

    • +10

      Yes, 2 to 29. We have up to 1.5 in Australia. The people experiencing severe problems are getting up to 19x the dose.

      People don't realize that fluoride is natural in water, with some areas having less, some more.

      • +2

        Exactly, this is how they discovered it was beneficial for dental health, by comparing one town with a naturally high incidence of fluoride in their town supply to one with virtually nil

      • Exactly.
        I don't know why there are so many hysterical Koolaid comments in this thread — It's a real health issue, and there are real links to excess fluoride.
        I don't have data on the 'naturally occuring' levels in Australia, but supposedly your tank or bore water could seriously affect you. Presumably, if you swallowed/drank the stuff dentists put on your teeth, on a regular basis, you would have a chronic case very quickly.
        Similarly, I lived for a while Narracan in Victoria, and the water there was so polluted by organic matter / dead animals, the shire water authority regularly told residents not to drink the tap water and filter and boil it before cooking with it, so we stuck to bottled water because water quality was clearly unsafe (not due to fluouride).

        • I don't know why there are so many hysterical Koolaid comments in this thread — It's a real health issue

          Koolaid is a health issue?

          • @CurlCurl: Exess levels above 1.5 ppm causes koolaidosis

          • @CurlCurl: LOL. Absolutely it is a health issue — the phrase “drinking the Kool-Aid” refers to followership at its worse. It was coined after a delusional, pseudo-guru named Jim Jones led his cult, the Peoples Temple, to mass suicide. Over 900 people, including 304 children, killed themselves by drinking from a vat of grape-flavored drink laced with cyanide. So many people follow a mass belief or ad populum fallacy, ie. a claim that something is true simply because that's what the group majority believe.

  • No

  • +1

    Friend have you considered neurodivergence as a possibility for where you're at? That was a pretty deep dive.

  • Room temp IQ

    • +2

      Not even Fahrenheit. Straight-up Celsius.

  • +4

    What that F

    • +4

      Fluoride?

  • +1

    OP has disappeared. Has he fossilised from all that bAd fLuOrIdE?

  • +3

    How does your theory explain the majority of the population that probably don't avoid fluoride and don't have hunched backs?

  • +1

    Sounds like there is about equal evidence that the water itself is poisoning you. Better quit that nasty stuff and stick exclusively to Mountain Dew.

  • +5

    The main reason most Scandinavian countries have better dental health would likely be because they have free dental care which is available without huge waiting lists.

  • +5

    Member Since
    25/09/2024

  • +1

    Do you wear a Tin Foil hat as well? and think that 5G is bad?

  • +2

    Any deals on foil hats and mouthguards?

  • +3

    Proudly sponsored by the plastic bottle and bottled water industry.

  • +6

    SlavOz is back.

  • OP, if I was you I'd also stay away from Low (it will also contribute to T-Pain.)

  • Before fluoridation both my parents had false teeth in their 20s.

    • +2

      And after?
      (Reminds me of that 'Doctor, will I be able to play the violin after the surgery?…' joke.)

      • +1

        Spoke to a dentist years ago and he said he rarely has kids needing fillings due to fluoridation working.

  • +3

    Reject fluoride water, embrace Brawndo

  • +1

    Journal of Biomed Research(doi.org)

    Due to fluorosis, people's teeth become weak and discoloured (dental fluorosis) and their bones become hollow and weak (skeletal fluorosis).

    These people were drinking water with fluoride anywhere from 10x to 40x the amount we put in our water here. There was even a part of India with 90x the safe maximum PPM of fluoride.

  • This is the real science which is hidden from the Australian public.

    NARRATOR: It wasn't.

  • Why do they put fluoride in our water anyway?

    • +3

      @Cusack

      Now for the tinfoilhat-less answer.

      "Studies report that water fluoridation has reduced dental caries by 26–44% in children, teenagers, and adults, benefiting everyone regardless of age, income, or access to dental care. It has been recognized as a cost-effective intervention to prevent dental caries, especially in rural and low-income areas."

      Source

      Considering we don't have universal adult dental cover in Australia… this is a cost effective public health measure with minimal adverse effects.

      Feel free to then look into the relationship between dental caries and conorary heart disease etc. Poor dental health/hygiene is not isolated, it has systemic effects throughout the human body.

      • -3

        Huh? So it’s got absolutely nothing to do with keeping water clean? It’s all about keeping us healthy?!

        Tinfoil or not this raises a lot of basic questions.

        If they’re so concerned abt our health, are they also adding other healthy minerals? Or is it just fluoride?

        How about they just leave the water alone and we look after our own health. And we can take fluoride as a supplement if we actually need it. We do it for all other deficiencies right?

        It actually makes zero sense if it’s for “health” reasons. What are the other reasons for adding it??

        • +3

          So your understanding is that the fluoride helps prevent tooth decay from the inside ie. Fluoride in a pill, digested in your gut and makes its way to the surface of your teeth??

          Do you think swollowing toothpaste pill will also work?

          • -2

            @Ughhh: So then why add it to the water we drink? And if it doesn’t work from the inside (as you say) then have it as a mouthwash.

            My point is that adding it for “health” reasons sounds absurd to anyone.

            So my question stands …..why add it in the first place?

            • +2

              @Cusack: No, you've, like, totally got it, man. All those "experts" with their "qualifications" and their "research" and "evidence"? Morons. Rage against the machine bro

              • -1

                @GrueHunter: So you can’t answer the basic question? Instead went to mocking. I see

                • +2

                  @Cusack: Well, to be fair you do seem very intent on ignoring any answers provided.

                  Yes, there are other ways that individuals could improve their dental health. But many wouldn't or couldn't, and adding fluoride to the water is an easy way to improve the overall (dental) health of the population. This is the goal of public health measures. It is not absurd.

                  Interesting that you are so concerned about this issue when apparently you have only just now become aware of water fluoridation.

                  • -1

                    @larndis: But then why stop at fluoride only? Why not add all other healthy minerals as well if they’re that concerned for our health?

                    • @Cusack: Which minerals are you proposing and what would be the expected cost and benefit?

                    • @Cusack: VItamins are added to breakfast cereals, and Iodine to salt, for just that reason.

            • +2

              @Cusack: I'm surprised you thought the fluoride works the same was as vitamin C for our body.

              It's like thinking rubbing panadol on your skin will fix your headache.

              See this, pretty good explanation https://www.mouthhealthy.org/how-fluoride-fights-cavities

              then have it as a mouthwash.

              You want to give big Corp like Colgate more money?

              People don't even want to indicate when driving, and you expect them to pay for mouthwash??

              • -1

                @Ughhh: “People don't even want to indicate when driving, and you expect them to pay for mouthwash??”

                lol. What kind of a reply is this.

                • +1

                  @Cusack: One written for adults to digest.

                  But then why stop at fluoride only? Why not add all other healthy minerals as well if they’re that concerned for our health?

                  You're still confused at the difference in purposes between fluoride and other minerals. It's been explained many times….

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