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Bezzera Domus Galatea Espresso Machine $1,999 (Was $3,300) Delivered @ Coffee Machine Specialist Brisbane

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Bezzera Domus Galatea Espresso Machine $1,999 (Was $3,300) Delivered @ Coffee Machine Specialist Brisbane
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AssociatedLsmilingbananas on 03/10/2024 - 20:29 coffeemachinespecialist.com.au (6385 clicks)
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Stock Clearance Sale - Limited Units Remaining.
Coffee Machine Specialist Brisbane has dropped the price of the Bezzera Domus Galatea from $3300 to $1999 with shipping included Australia wide.
This seems to be the cheapest price for this espresso machine anywhere, which is rated 4.3/5 on Product Review. Super aesthetic, and makes great coffee. I don't think that Black Friday sales will even reach this low - could make for a great Christmas gift or addition to your home brew setup/cafe.

edit: website stock has been updated to display the remaining 30 units!

edit: updated link to correct sale destination.

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  • ThePeterGriffin on 03/10/2024 - 20:49
    +21

    What in the chemistry lab is that machine!

    • ssd01 on 04/10/2024 - 08:08

      looks like it's from Super lab of Walter white

      • starspawn on 04/10/2024 - 10:24
        +2

        Let's get cooking!

  • LaTerrible on 03/10/2024 - 20:54

    Jeez that's cracking value for the right person.

  • Tyler Kwok on 03/10/2024 - 20:56

    noob question: does it have pid? didn't find the answer in the link detail

    • eediot on 03/10/2024 - 21:04

      Doesn't look like it being a single boiler heat exchange

  • kungfuman on 03/10/2024 - 20:57
    +5

    just FYI you still need a good grinder, don't cheap out on the grinder or this machine will go to waste.

    • Associatedsmilingbananas @ Coffee Machine Specialist on 04/10/2024 - 01:23

      good call! they also sell this with a grinder bundle the last time I checked

  • botchie on 03/10/2024 - 21:00
    +5

    Single boiler?
    feel like this is a step back from DB

    • hornoscous on 03/10/2024 - 21:59
      +7

      A step back from a dual boiler like the ECM Synchronika or Profitec pro 700 perhaps, but this a big step up from a breville dual boiler. And will last for 20 years if maintained well.

      • iMagoo on 03/10/2024 - 22:27
        +2

        Quality wise, yes. Feature wise this is a step back. BDB is packed for the price, something's gotta give.

      • suburbanmale on 03/10/2024 - 23:00
        +1

        Don't know why you got a neg, this is spot on. The Breville is an appliance, this is a proper coffee machine.

        • fookos on 04/10/2024 - 00:24
          +2

          Agreed. Breville has solid features for the price (in Australia) but is pretty ugly and cheap looking.

          That said, while the Bezzera boasts higher quality materials I can’t say I particularly like the look of it either!

          I do enjoy the Ux of machines that use a lever to start and stop the shot, though. Better interaction than just pressing buttons or flicking little switches :)

          User above commented on temp surfing… Note, there are more temp stable Hx machines around, which prioritise brew temp over steam. If you largely a black coffee drinker, a dual boiler may be overkill.

      • slipperypete on 04/10/2024 - 08:56

        Absolutely this! I'm reading this because my Breville dual boiler failed in multiple ways after just over two years!
        I just replaced it with a Bambino because I didn't want to pay another thousand dollars + on a machine with a two-year shelf life. However, this is the most abysmal machine I have ever used, so now I am back to looking for a better unit!

    • sourdawg on 04/10/2024 - 07:28
      +9

      This is not a "single boiler" it's a heat exchanger. Yes, it has one boiler but it is not the equivalent of a Silvia or gaggia classic. 99% of people would be better off with a decent quality hx machine than a dual boiler. The only reason to choose a dual boiler over hx is to adjust brew temp which is way down the list of variables that will affect the taste of your brew.

      If you can get consistent grind, distribution and tamp and you drink a lot of black coffee and like to experiment with brew temp then sure, maybe a dual boiler is for you. Otherwise this is a great machine that will last forever. The E61 group has been in production for over 60 years so you don't have to worry about parts availability into the future. My bfc is 13 years old and I've rebuilt the group once and replaced the pump twice. Doing the work myself has cost maybe $200.

      This machine is a bargain.

      • warney on 04/10/2024 - 11:31
        +1

        Totally agree!

        I have had a Rocket Giotto v3 with PID for nearly 9 years and it has only done one pump and a set of seals.

        Absolutely rock solid these E61 machines!

  • plentifoo on 03/10/2024 - 21:04
    +26

    Not a dual boiler. Hx machine, meaning you'll temperature surf all morning going from espresso extraction to milk frothing.

    Aside from the aesthetics, which is preference, it's a functional step down from the breville double boiler.

    • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 21:11
      +1

      If you start frothing the milk before extracting the coffee it should help you reduce the temp enough to not fiddle too much.
      but i also have an e61 but dual boiler with a rotary pump, i wouldn't want a hx machine if i can get a dual boiler but at this price this machine will outlive the BDB 5:1, so in some sense it will save you money.
      Also id pick this over the damned oracle.. worst machine in Brevilles lineup

      • plentifoo on 03/10/2024 - 21:14
        +2

        I have a rocket r58 and breville double boiler, the bdb has arguably cost me less to maintain. Both are problem free, but the r58 just cost more money on a regular service. Bdb spare parts are cheap and everywhere.

        • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 21:16

          that is also true. replacing parts is also an option, but still very platicky compared to e61. but service fees do reduce the appeal of our e61

      • darkkito on 03/10/2024 - 21:17
        +9

        tbh I think the majority of the people who ends up buying HX machines with vibratory pump ends up upgrading to dual boiler with rotary pump lol.

        Upgraded the lelit mara x in less than a year lol.

        I still think Breville dual boiler with regular maintence is one of the best ways to go.

        Parts hardly fail as long as your replacing O-rings and the new compression fittings they come with is outstanding in terms of reliability.

        • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 21:21
          +2

          I have always said this as well on the BDB, the coffee and value of the BDB is unbeatable at the price you buy it for.
          lol i bypassed the hx and vibratory pump when i did my research and went straight to dual and rotary.
          zero regrets… i want to hold onto mine a little more but cant help feeling like i want another upgrade before i retire my upgrade path. contemplating a marzocco gs3 or decent, but i feel like i need a science degree for the decent

          • darkkito on 03/10/2024 - 21:26
            +2

            @maverickjohn: dont do gs3, outdated junk. They are in dire need for a fresh update. Takes ages to heat up, paddle is incredibly hard to work with. No set programming. Outdated interface, one of the most expensive for the least amount of innovations.

            Sanremo you or decent would be my vote of confidence. Otherwise I would wait out for the Slayer STEAM single group that got recently revealed.

            I personally really really don't like la marzocco and the sneaky shit they are pulling off in Australia.

            • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 21:46

              @darkkito: I feel the gs3 is old perhaps because it was good at what it did. (same way our e61 is the same design from the mid 1960's)
              But i forgot about the sanremo you, its a less technical decent. im not as attracted to the angles of the You, but the concept looks good.

              • darkkito on 03/10/2024 - 22:09
                +1

                @maverickjohn: me too, i personally ended up getting the rocket r nine one but I wish I waited for the steam LP

            • EightImmortals on 04/10/2024 - 06:58

              @darkkito: "Sanremo you "

              And only 10K too! Bargain!

            • Bargain Slut on 04/10/2024 - 08:53
              +1

              @darkkito: I have a GS3, I wouldn't suggest they are outdated junk, I do agree that there is definitely better value for money out there. If I had to replace mine I would probably end up with something else based on current LM rrp and the step up in what competitors are offering.

          • Bodgy on 03/10/2024 - 23:43
            +1

            @maverickjohn: The Decent can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be. There are so many excellent presets for the machine, you will never get bored with what it can produce.

            • maverickjohn on 04/10/2024 - 02:43

              @Bodgy: You are right. But I feel like I would want to play with settings and I know it will make my coffee journey more stressful as I try to learn different recipes.
              There is fun to that but sometimes an apple approach to coffee is also good. In that it just works lol.
              The decent starts off like that but I'm worried that I'll destroy it and won't get it to make a normal 'decent' coffee.. it's no problem of the machine but more that I fear myself destroying the one hobby I like

              • Bodgy on 05/10/2024 - 09:57

                @maverickjohn: That’s a valid point, and one that I considered as well. I have found that given the amount of live information that the Decent provides, I spend more time with bean selection and grinder settings to get the ‘perfect’ cup of coffee. I really like being able to monitor real time temperatures and flow rates along with accurate weight in cup measurements. I am sure there are other excellent, even better machines out there, but the Decent ticks a lot of boxes. But it should given it’s three times the price of the Bezzera!

        • garage sale on 03/10/2024 - 22:00

          I'm in same boat, looking for domestic dual boiler to replace my breville, want some that looks nicer, can't see myself going back to HX with a 2 litre boiler.

          • darkkito on 03/10/2024 - 22:14

            @garage sale: Lelit bianca is a great budget option. (e61)

            Lamarzocco micra is also great for aesthetics and fast heat up time. (integrated grouphead)

            Profitec drive is the latest model for top of the line. Very solid build quality with more tech. (e61)

            Rocket R58.

            etc etc.

            There are plenty of options depending on ur needs but the cheapest and tested is lelit bianca.

            • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 22:24
              +1

              @darkkito: The cheapest dual boiler e61 in memory is the Expobar Minore IV https://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/expobar-minore-iv…
              Also the rocket r nine is a beauty, you shouldn't feel bad getting that.
              I'm still using the La Pavoni Botticelli Specialty.
              The slayer single actually looks nice.. i'll keep an eye on it and see people with a lot more money than me try it out first lol.

            • souljah on 04/10/2024 - 08:03
              +1

              @darkkito: Am I googling wrong? Lelit Bianca is $4k+, is there a sale price that makes it the budget option?

              The others you listed are around $5k.

              • darkkito on 04/10/2024 - 08:15

                @souljah: You are correct, which is why I keep saying breville dual boiler is excellent for its price even with its vibratory pump

      • kungfuman on 03/10/2024 - 22:03

        I have the original Breville Oracle I still use it. Don't use it for light roasts that grinder can't do specialty coffees so don't bother. get a good medium roast, and you are golden, the trick with that grinder is to clean it once a week, make sure you adjust the auto taper, always have the hopper full if you dont' it will pop like there is no tomorrow, it needs that weight of the beans to give you a decent grind. well, it will give you consistency. at least. For the most part you will never get it exactly where you want all the time, just make sure you weigh each shot. Other than that the machine is really good, the dual boilers the spread of the water, the heated head and good quality portafilter makes it a good coffee machine, just as long as you get a good grinder, because with the built in one its make average coffee still better than most cafes I have been too but not the best.

        • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 22:29
          +1

          Theres no reason to go Oracle over the dual boiler in my opinion, and in your scenario you proved that point (which is my reason for hating it) that you would need a better grinder to get good coffee anyway.
          Keeping beans in a hopper is a big no no, they oxidise rapidly and will have fluctuating tastes as they oxidise.
          Also the heat that is generated from the boilers will affect bean quality…
          Its an easy machine to use , but zero benefit if you are the slightest bit interested in making really good coffee.
          I would have no probelm recommending the much cheaper and much better BDB with a good single dose grinder like the df64.

          • kungfuman on 03/10/2024 - 22:33

            @maverickjohn: The oracle is a dual boiler unless u mean that new touch one that isn’t a. Dual boiler?

            The seal on the oracle is very good and if u are having coffee every day its gone the bag in two weeks and the hopper on that machine is tiny u will get through it very quickly with in days

            • maverickjohn on 03/10/2024 - 22:36
              +1

              @kungfuman: The bes920 BDB is perfect. The Bes980 Oracle takes steps backwards with built in tamper and bean hopper to make it not worth recommending. Save money and get the BDB and a good grinder.

              • kungfuman on 03/10/2024 - 22:53

                @maverickjohn: I have had the oracle for years it’s good for a quick on the go espresso. And that’s pretty much all I use it for. If I want a good coffee I use light roast in a good grinder

                • maverickjohn on 04/10/2024 - 02:27

                  @kungfuman: That's pretty much using your Oracle like a BDB when you use your own grinder.
                  I completely understand the appeal of making an easy coffee, and convenience has its place when considering a coffee machine purchase. That's why automated bean to cup machines exist like the delonghi and juras. But consistency in the Oracle using the hopper/tamper was atrocious. (I went on the coffee journey owning an Oracle for just over a year, it's the only machine I owned which I absolutely despised, my wife on the other hand liked it for its ease of use but she doesn't drink coffee)

        • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 00:35

          Tried putting new burrs in it? (since they are Baratza burrs now).

          Also, I 3D printed a single dose hopper that replaces the standard hopper. Cant see the point of having a good machine, yet allowing beans to oxidise.

      • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 01:01

        Curious - what do you think will fail in the BDB? and why don't you like the Oracle?

        I've tinkered with a few hard rubbish throw out machines of various brands. The Brevilles have stupid plastic elbows that crack, but these are easily replaced with brass from eBay etc for $5. Replace O-rings with push fittings. I guess this will have a better pump, but the Ulka is pretty solid with a glass ball.

        I haven't seen inside a BDB yet though, so hence the question.

        I've got a Barista Express. Changed the burrs (plus elbows etc), added a speed controller to the pump for flow profiling. But the single water exit point under the shower head is rubbish (especially for single shots). The Oracle and BDB have a better ring infusion system. Same in the Gaggia. No idea why they went with a rubbish single point in the BES.
        I've tried making a better infusion system with a ring of holes (blocking the single hole) with thick alfoil, and using a puck screen. Helps a bit, but it's still the biggest downfall with the Barista Express.

        Tried using a seperate grinder for a while, but I'm clumsy as $hit in the morning….wasn't working out. Partner will literally end me if I use a seperate grinder again. Didn't make much difference to the BES with Baratza burrs.

        So thinking an Oracle with Baratza burrs and adding the same flow profiling is the best I will get as an all in one system?

        Isn't it just a BDB with a grinder built in? No interest in the auto tamp stuff.

        ..Or is there something I'm missing with the Oracle?

        • maverickjohn on 04/10/2024 - 02:36

          I've left a few reasons why I don't like the Oracle above.
          Oracle is convenient but coffee quality takes a dive compared to BDB with a separate grinder. Unsure what you mean by being clumsy, but workflow and convenience while worse with a separate grinder allows for better consistency and really elevates the quality of coffee. But it just depends what works for you.
          You kind of mentioned most of the problems of breville in your post. With the plastic components that are prone to cracking after a few years.
          In all honesty I had my breville dual boiler last me 10 years and was still working perfectly. But I considered myself lucky. I actually gave that machine to my in laws who live in our property over in the Philippines and use it in our home there.

          • maddoglee on 04/10/2024 - 04:04

            @maverickjohn: my BDB is coming up to 10 years next year! Its still going strong… I've changes the o-rings, triacs, and steam wand ball valve seal…. plus I upgraded it to connect to wifi so I can turn it on/off remotely…. its such a good machine, couldn't recommend it enough… have any of you done the slayer mod? I've been thinking about doing that when I have some time.

          • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 11:33

            @maverickjohn: @maverickjohn

            The biggest issue with all Breville's is the way pressure is controlled via an OPV spring. Luck of the draw what you get/ what it's set to/ how much it bounces during operation. I wonder if your Oracle just had a bad spring. For example, my BES spring was set at 12 bar by default. Produced channelled rubbish. I backed it off to 9 bar, but it still bounces. So added the dimmer to the pump which allows me to change the pressure throughout the poor (I just have a little box with a dial next to my machine). AMAZING difference (still remember the first decent coffee I made with it). You wont find a machine remotely close in price with a PID and flow control (except for a modded Gaggia).

            I also have the 3D printed single hopper, so that's sorted.

            As a man of science, I looked at the built in grinder grinds under a microscope (with a micro grid) and compared the Breville vs a Niche grinder (and a cheap Sunbeam for interest - can't remember the model). Funny enough, the most uniform was the Sunbeam! But there was bugger all between them. So will stick with a built in.

            But…as I said earlier, the water infusion in the Barista Express is just rubbish, so I can't take this BES any further. The inconsistant puck flow on the right side drives me insane (especially since I make single shots).

            So the only machine I know that has a built in grinder and a decent infusion outlet is the Oracle?

            You don't need to use the auto tamp do you?

            *I did find a Sunbeam Barista Max in hard rubbish. Basically a Barista Express with a 58mm basket…BUT..internally its bad. Poor to work on (they don't want people repairing these), valves are made rubbish… non generic plastic elbows..I haven't put it back together yet. So can't comment on the brew quality at all. Would need the same dimmer etc.

        • slipperypete on 04/10/2024 - 09:02

          My BDB ended up having multiple failures. It was a throwaway machine in the end due to leaks and electronic issues. Maybe mine was a one off but when it started having a runaway temperature and would turn on by itself and overheat I decided never to get another again.
          Loved it, it was a perfect machine for me, but the reliability of mine was unacceptable!!

          • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 11:12
            +1

            @slipperypete: The leak would be the elbow $10 to updgrade to brass.
            The on/off issue is the triac (which would have been shorted from the leak) - $3

            But you need to be a tinker. Must be an amazing number of machines that are 99.99% functional thrown out. All my machines are ex throw aways.

            As for the Slayer Mod, I assume that's just a dimmer/ Speed controller on the pump. No brainer. The Brevilles dump a ridiculous amount of water in the bottom tray by using a spring as a valve to bring the pump from 15 bar to an approx 9 bar (which bounces, as it's a spring). Ruins a possibly great machine. Speed controller is $9 on ebay, 2 wires on the way to the pump. The cost to Breville to put one in would be 30 cents, so should have it built in by default. Can throw a Gaugino on there as well if you want aut0mated/ visual representation.

            Now my tray gets emptied once a month, and I can do a decent single shot in the 8-10g range (that actually tastes the same as a double shot, just it extracts more efficient) = less beans used…. all for $9.

            • slipperypete on 04/10/2024 - 15:30

              @tunzafun001: hey, thanks a lot for the info. Wish you'd been around 3 weeks ago!! As you said, I think the electrics was due to a leak somewhere. It took forever to heat in the end, then wouldn't stop. The on off was any time it was plugged in which concerned me.

              I didn't know how easy it would have been to fix, unfortunately a little late now. The overheating led to a burning smell so ended up taking it to the tip

              • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 16:32

                @slipperypete: A triac is basically an electronic switch that turns on/ off quickly to do things like vary temps, or simply turn on the machine.

                So if water sits between 2 legs..you make a circuit to turn it on. Likewise, if it is the boiler triac, the boiler might be constantly powered (hence the burnt smell).

                Good reminder to always unplug/ switch off at the wall any machine that doesn't have a physical on/ off switch.

                Pitty there's a good machine at the dump… It's about a 20min fix. But as I said earlier, I recon 99.9% of turfed machines are very basic repairs (and in Brevilles case, 99% attributed to a plastic elbow). I think they are brass now (can retrofit old ones with a brass elbow from eBay etc).

                Fun fact - My Jura machine (for lazy days. Also a hard rubbish recovery - stepper motor needed a drop of lube)..just poured it's 15 000 coffee.

            • slipperypete on 04/10/2024 - 15:33

              @tunzafun001: Any recommendations on a replacement? The Bambinoa which I ended up getting is so flimsy and I can't get it even close to how I want it.

              We rarely use the frother and really, only have a couple of cups a day max. I'm leaning towards a flair, but my missus isn't that techy.

              • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 18:06
                +1

                @slipperypete: Asking the wrong person on that one. The Flair looks awful (PFA delight). .

                The amount of pressure you exert would change all the time.
                The temp loss to the basket would change all the time throughout different seasons/ ambient temps.
                Terrible design in my idea…looks cool…but functional as windows on a submarie.

                I'd back my $15 Barsetto over the Flair, or just get a Nano press.

                Best machine I have seen $ for product would be the Breville DB or a Gaggia Classic with the Gauginno mod.

                • slipperypete on 04/10/2024 - 21:09

                  @tunzafun001: Funnily enough I have a nano press for travel. It's just so fiddly that I never use it, preferring the aeropress.

                  Despite my disagreement on this product, you made me realise the Flair isn't much less fiddly. yeah will give it a miss

                  • tunzafun001 on 04/10/2024 - 21:39
                    +1

                    @slipperypete: You did make me realise that we don't really have a single mainstream coffee machine that covers all the basics of making espresso.

                • fookos on 05/10/2024 - 11:46

                  @tunzafun001: I have a Flair for travel and have backed the new Flair Go for an even smaller travel espresso footprint.

                  If you’re skilled you can control the variables sufficiently to get consistent results with a Flair.

                  Most of the models have a pressure gauge so you can monitor quite easily - and even do some pressure profiling if you’re inclined.

                  If I was to have a Flair for main machine I’d only look at the Flair 58 though.

                  • tunzafun001 on 05/10/2024 - 14:55

                    @fookos: Sure…it's a niche/ unique product. But for a get up and go half decent coffee..it's a hard miss from me.
                    Needing to boil a kettle, warm the basket, pull out the grinder. Then clean it up/ put stuff away. Coffee snobs did a review and it apparently took him on avg 12 mins to make a cup.

                    @slippery_pete - I had more of a think, and the all in one Lelit machines are probably ok as well. Someone has one on FB marketplace for $600 (model with a PID and built in grinder). Add a dimmer to the pump, and that's my kind of quick, yet still better than a cafe coffee.

    • garage sale on 03/10/2024 - 21:57
      +2

      most cafes use HX machines, and they still make good coffee … at home dual boiler seems better as less thermal mass and power, I have an old raniclio that is 4L boiler HX .. except for heat up time it's great, have breville dual boiler, heats up much quicker.

      • darkkito on 04/10/2024 - 09:53
        +1

        Commercial level HX machines are completely different beats due to their brute thermal stability with mass.

        But I agree, great coffee can be typically made even with ur cheapest delognhi dedicas, its just knowing how the machine behaves.

      • carlJack on 04/10/2024 - 11:52

        you don't have to temperature surf in commercial machines.

    • depecid on 04/10/2024 - 06:55
      +2

      A DB isn't necessary for most. A rotary pump is great….. if you're going to plumb it in. We pump through 1.5kg of coffee a day at our work using a Rocket HX. They're fine. Do a quick cooling flush if it's been sitting for a while, which i do out of habit even on my pro 700.

      The Breville is a great entry level cost effective machine, but you can't beat a simple properly designed machine for longevity.

      • OzHan on 04/10/2024 - 12:09

        If you make only 1-5 coffees a day like many home users and don't have the option of plumbing it in, a vibe pump is not bad at all, its cheap to replace ($35-50, unlike $300-500 for a rotary) and have the benefit of slow pressure buildup. In a business settings though a rotary pump would be hard to beat.

    • Silentin on 04/10/2024 - 13:37

      "you'll temperature surf all morning going from espresso extraction to milk frothing."

      What do you mean by this? It's always at temp for frothing… If you haven't pulled a shot in the last 5 mins then just purge half a cup of water and it's good to go.

  • daveee on 03/10/2024 - 21:06

    Do you sell the upgraded drip trays for the BZ10?

    Sick of water splashing everywhere…

  • Broden on 03/10/2024 - 21:38
    +1

    Great price. Usually refurbs are around this price or more.

  • kaiden on 03/10/2024 - 21:40

    Walking in a house and seeing this machine would sure be a good conversation starter. Specially if they didn’t use the coffee machine often.

  • testeagles on 03/10/2024 - 22:11
    +1

    I have had this machine for 10 years and enjoy the coffee that comes out of it everyday. I paid $2500 back then, this price is awesome!

  • fantombloo on 03/10/2024 - 22:16
    +5

    "Milano, Italy." ☹️
    Maybe I'm a pedant but I'd prefer "Milano, Italia" or "Milan, Italy" sprawled over my multi thousand dollar coffee machine

  • KernelPanic on 03/10/2024 - 22:16

    This or two Racilio Silvia's?

    • srr on 05/10/2024 - 05:52

      Changing my Silvia to this one. Nothing wrong with Silvia, going for the looks.

  • NigelTufnel on 03/10/2024 - 22:28

    Man, my neighbour works for a company that fixes these machines and was recommending them. But even at this price I can't justify upgrading from my dedica that will never freaking die. Particularly because one of the reasons if want to upgrade is for a dual boiler.

    Damn it looks nice though… My wife would never forgive me.

    [Edit: actually, I think he works for this exact mob…]

  • iMagoo on 03/10/2024 - 22:30

    Refurbished Breville dual boilers pop up on Breville's eBay store for $999, with 12 months warranty. Rarely you'll get very lucky and the stock goes live when a 15/17% coupon applies, otherwise still fantastic value.

  • BartholemewH on 03/10/2024 - 23:25

    Save up another 700 and get a Barista Minore IV imo.

  • Captain Hindsight on 04/10/2024 - 06:53
    +4

    My experience, I like many have spent years of ocd trying to make the perfect coffee.

    I upgraded from Rocket Giotto hx to ECM Synchronika dual boiler PID which at the time cost me about an extra $1k and a bit of bench space. I’ve got to say ignoring all the upgraded specs which motivated my purchase, the older hx machine produced a consistent solid coffee. Don’t get me wrong the ecm is great, but part of me regrets upgrading to the pricier, heavier, larger and imo not as nice looking db machine. Hx machines imo can be a top tier option for the home barista definitely worth considering.

    • 42 on 04/10/2024 - 07:30

      From my research order of importance for making espresso

      Coffee beans>grinder>coffee machine

    • OzHan on 04/10/2024 - 12:04

      If you make milk drinks primarily - DB won't benefit much thats for sure, cost of maintenance/repair will be 2x+ though. most people won't even bother changing the settings on a DB.

      • raspudala on 04/10/2024 - 12:26

        We mainly drink long black and currently have Breville Barista Express. Can you please explain why DB is better for black coffee compared to Bezzera Domus Galatea?

  • owli on 04/10/2024 - 07:55
    +2

    Great deal. Have had this machine for 7 years and paid more than this price back then.
    Just like all my Milan made products, the biscione — the snake eating a man (or baby?) — is a fun cute thing to see day to day.

  • timmythelamb on 04/10/2024 - 08:18

    Our machine is from 2008 and is still going strong!

  • OzHan on 04/10/2024 - 09:12

    This is a heat exchanger, not a single boiler. If your main focus is making milk-based drinks, a dual boiler might not offer much benefit. Its primary advantage lies in the ability to adjust water temperatures for brewing. Instead, you’ll appreciate the large boiler in a heat exchanger like this, which is great at delivering powerful steam for milk frothing.

    • raspudala on 04/10/2024 - 12:27

      So this machine is not as good for black coffee compared to DB?

      • OzHan on 04/10/2024 - 13:27

        DB is more flexible in changing water temperature with its PID. like you can change between 91c-95c. for certain beans it may benefit from slightly higher or lower temperature (depending on how discerning you palate is). Having said that most people have never changed these settings even on a DB.

    • fookos on 04/10/2024 - 15:40
      +1

      Not quite right. Benefit of dual boiler is having a boiler dedicated to maintaining a consistent brew temp and not having to swing up and down between brew and steam (or prioritise one over another) functions.

      Ability to adjust the temp can be common to DBs, but isn’t the key driver. As you note, some ppl never even change their brew temp.

      • OzHan on 04/10/2024 - 17:36

        Most heat exchangers are good at maintaining a consistent brew temp these days. mine (Profitec) certainly is.

  • UberIsCool on 04/10/2024 - 10:11
    +1

    Who ever is pouring that coffee in the video needs some training!

  • Hank Scorpion on 04/10/2024 - 10:35
    +1

    It is a loathsome, offensive brute, yet I can't look away.

  • BigBin on 04/10/2024 - 12:08

    You guys are hilarious. Love your passion and knowledge…see you down at the cafe.

  • OzAmore on 04/10/2024 - 12:46

    Great price, I've had this machine since 2017 when I bought it during ebays 17th birthday sale, think I payed around $2200 including the bundled Macap M2M grinder which was a great price at the time. Machine hasnt missed a beat since then, making a milk based coffee most days. You have to temperature surf with these, which basically means running the group head for 20-30secs before brewing… becomes 2nd nature.

    I haven't had it serviced yet but I probably should more so as preventative maintenance then necessity. I haven't exactly babied it either, sometimes going 12 months without descaling. I only recently purchased new label inserts for the steam and water knobs since they became brittle over time and got wiped away whilst cleaning.

    • OzHan on 04/10/2024 - 13:50
      -1

      If you have to temp surf, you did not buy it from a local distributor. all HXs I had bought ( > 4) over the past 7-8 years do not need temp surfing. local au stocks would have restrictor fitted to regulate the water temp at 93-94c.

      • OzAmore on 04/10/2024 - 14:01

        Bought it from Casa Espresso. I've never taken a temperature reading. All i know is the temperature appears visibly hotter from the amount of steam coming from the group head when the machines been sitting for hours then it does after flushing it for 30secs.

  • YoursTruly on 04/10/2024 - 13:32
    -1

    This is the equivalent of this: overkill.

    It’s definitely nice to have but in my vast coffee experience, no much of a significant amplified difference in enjoying a good cup of coffee.. Its a good conversation piece though.
    (Perhaps that why they are flogging them at the “discount”)

    Diminishing returns at high cost - just like the PS5 pro.

  • JIMB0 on 04/10/2024 - 14:22
    +1

    It's it worth upgrading to this? I currently have a 20+ year old Gaggia that I found on hard rubbish many years ago.

  • MrBillions on 04/10/2024 - 15:01
    +1

    Anyone bought this?

  • Foodstamps on 04/10/2024 - 19:29

    Why would anyone spend this much on a coffee machine. Nice coffee is one thing but surely there are limits

    • Bargain Slut on 04/10/2024 - 21:06

      That logic works with almost anything you buy, most things you buy cost more than you need to spend.

      A decent setup will (probably) save you money over the long term.

      I don't think it has saved me money as its mostly just a hobby and I still go out and drink coffees and I buy beans, both espresso and filter, that cost far more than anyone would ever need to spend.

      My grinder cost more than this machine.

      • maverickjohn on 04/10/2024 - 21:20
        -1

        What grinder do you have! Don't tell me the Weber eg1.
        I need more bench space but my next is the lagom p64

        • Bargain Slut on 05/10/2024 - 17:44
          +1

          I'd love an EG1 but was a bit steep for me, I had an Anfim Scody 2 but it was a bit bulky, I've since switched to a combo of a P64 and a Eureka Atom Specialty 75.

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