US Government outlines ban on Chinese technology in connected cars – UPDATE
I thought others would be interested as Australia may follow suit which explain why there are so many deals in Chinese EV cars recently.
Apologies if this has already been discussed in the posts. Feel free to remove this.
Updated news link: Are EVs at risk of being hacked? And will Chinese EVs be banned?
Misleading title fixed, it's not a ban on EV's but a ban on the hardware / software from CN. From the article you just provided:
Monday 23 September 2024: The US could soon ban software and hardware manufactured by Chinese companies for use in new cars due to security concerns, unnamed sources say.
The Age article is actually showing something different. I should've linked to that one instead of Drive.
From The Age:
"The US government has moved to ban Chinese software and hardware from its roads, … "
You are misunderstanding that sentence, they are moving to put a ban in place, i.e. they have plans to do so but have not actually implemented the restrictions just yet.
There is no ban today and no news outlet has written that.
I've also read every word of the article you provided and there's an incredible amount of fear mongering in the article to get people afraid for basically… nothing?
The article quotes such things as
Israel’s use of exploding pagers to attack Hezbollah
the possibility of software being infected with Malware from a totalitarian state
Gillard government banning Huawei from building infrastructure underpinning the National Broadband Network in 2012
None of the above points they have drawn is relevant to the situation at hand, all it is is entertaining a "what-if" scenario, if the ban were to be in place, what would actually happen to Chinese EVs and what would Australia do. It says nothing about the ban being already in place
That's fair enough. I don't know enough about US politic in terms of what 'has moved to ban' really means.
Agree it is fear mongering however it is still I think an important consideration for people who are currently looking to buy an EV such as myself.
@baskets2k: This is a protectionist policy aimed at giving US EV makers a better chance.
The US wants to go green, so they put in a plan to have 50% of car sales in the US to be fully electric BEV's by 2030.
But the problem is Chinese BEV's are much cheaper than US EV's, since the Chinese Government heavily subsidizes their own EV industry. This got some people concerned that cheap chinese EV's are pushing out US domestic manufacturers.
Uncle Sam wants to throw sand into the gearbox of Chinese EV makers so they don't become too dominant, and they do this by increasing tariffs and putting in these bans. It's a way of playing catch-up, with special rules that disadvantage the competitor.
At the same time they can say they are protecting "national security" (without actually needing to do anything about it) and probably as a way to punish China for their so-called unfair trade practices, so they can hit 2 birds with one stone.
Australia does not manufacture any EV's, we don't need to follow their footsteps and banning EV imports has the downside of reducing competition (which drives car prices up).
@baskets2k: It's more about protecting the US automotive and battery industry rather than security. Apart from Tesla, EV and battery manufacturing in the US is immature and vulnerable to competition from cheap Chinese EVs. Even Tesla uses Chinese made batteries in some US made vehicles.
There may also be some security concerns to the proposed ban on Chinese software, but protectionism is clearly the main motivator.
It's currently legal to import Chinese EV's into the US. However, there is currently a 100% tariff on Chinese made vehicles which makes them financially noncompetitive. Canada has recently followed suit and introduced a 100% tariff. In comparison, the EU recently introduced additional tariffs on Chinese made vehicles ranging between 17.4% to 37.6%, depending on the company.
The United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement means that no tariffs are charged on Mexican made vehicles when they exported to the US and Canada. Currently there some models of Ford, Cheverolet, Jeep, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, BMW, Audi, Volkswagen that are made in Mexican factories and sold in the US.
It's been reported that BYD was looking to build a factory in Mexico to take advantage of the free trade agreement. Now that the US is making threats to ban vehicles that use Chinese made software we are seeing contradictory headlines.
China’s BYD Pauses Mexico Factory Plans Until After US Election
vs
Chinese electric carmaker BYD denies pause on Mexico plant plans
I don't know how this battle will end, but it's clearly a high stakes game.
I've also read every word of the article you provided and there's an incredible amount of fear mongering in the article to get people afraid for basically… nothing?
So pretty much a standard, run of the mill news report these days?
@SBOB: Na!…
If its info thats false for the side you are on its fear mongering.
If its true for the side you are on its enlightening.
Thats the true "standard news report"
@Protractor: LOL no need, we have already known from your multi enlightened comments which side you are on.
"unnamed source"
my friends uncles bestfriends brothers pet dog said
"unnamed source"
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from a guy who knows a kid who's going with the girl who saw them talking about the new law about Chinese EV cars at 31 Flavors last night. I think it's serious.
I think the US government and AU government have very different views on Chinese EVs - notably the high tariffs US has on them to try and stifle competition which we don't have here. They're also trying to ban TikTok over there for security reasons which the AU government isn't.
Given their different views I wouldn't expect AU to follow suit unless a major security concern was identified. Only real reason I could see it being banned here is if it becomes an election hot topic - like a "Oh scary Chinese software is everywhere we need to ban it!" type thing to try and win votes from xenophobes.
There might be pressure via the five eyes agreement which I suppose indicates how strategically important the USA sees Australia in the scheme of things.
There's the security aspect of it and also the potential for the cars to be bricked (if things get really bad which is unlikely imo). I think there's more chance of your ability to use your 'connected automobile' being restricted by ones own government….!
If we listen to moon units like the New England beetroot we'll destroy our economy. He would happily agitate (he's halfway there but back-peddling now he's sober) The fact is the planet is so deeply saturated with Chinese tech, that if they were as evil as Israel is, and chose to use tech to cause harm, they have an endless choice beyond autos and auto tech. They supply hundreds of car makers with thousands of components. They even make Barnaby's phone,Tv,stereo and most of the electronic shit in his life.If anything we should be tearing up any contracts we have with Israel immediately. They may not blow up our walkie talkies but Mossad would not even blink before grafting our data ,personal and political and use it to it's own advantage.Big time. This stupid anti China shit is out of control since Hastie Dutton et all cashed in on low hanging fruit to dog whistle till noses bleed over their chosen Sinophobic strategy..The USA democrats is enacting a ban to appease the Trump voters prior to the election, and scrounge some working class votes as well. Simples.
If we keep flinging mud a China where it isn't warranted they can and probably will use trade pressure to make it difficult to say the least.The LNP have virtually thrown a petrol bomb over Chinas fence and scarpered, leaving the ALP and the public to navigate the minefield created since.
The US already knows where I am at all times. Why not China too?
US worried if there is a war, China use tech to do things, similar to the things that Israel did to Lebanon, perhaps?
Self driving cars could tend to kill critics of China I suppose. Probably a good idea to not give anyone secret control or influence of cars.
Israel did
Mossad pretending to be santa, coming in the house thru the chimney, inserting C4s into the pager while habibis were fast asleep.
Merry early xmas, mofos…
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They also used fake Australian passports to enable their assassination squads to enter Dubai. They really don’t care who is the collateral damage with what they do.
@Yummy: As someone who travels on an Australian passport this sort of thing doesn’t improve our security. The Israeli Government really don’t care who gets caught in the crossfire.
@try2bhelpful: And in fact the USA is directly sponsoring Israel, while denying. Very brave ./s
.The bunker buster bombs used were the same ones used (and lied about by) the USA in Gaza.
It's ironic that Netanyahu is now as Hitler as Hitler was when it comes to ethnic cleansing. He's just quicker.
It's one thing to want to wipe out terrorists, but for an entire community to be seen as collateral damage is a growing trend by the Yanks.Even at home.
What we can be sure of now is that we will have MORE terrorism for the next 5 decades. Luckily (I guess) we'll be dust at our hands by then,anyway.
I also have to cringe at the bluster from all quarters over a flag at a protest. The same states premier was thumping her chest like a true Israeli cheer leader, as she regurgitated disgust. What a pity she doesn't apply the same rule to boys in black ne Nazis in masks terrorising communities in broad daylight. Gotta love them mobile rubber goal posts.
@try2bhelpful: Those were real Australian and European passports. And I doubt Mossad will be allowed to do it again after the response. Dubai was something of a humiliation for them. Forgotten, I guess.
The Pager attack will be encouraging security agencies all over the world to re-examine their risk assessments.
@bargaino: I can’t believe they didn’t ditch the walkie talkies after the pagers. Whoever provided these products is in deep trouble.
Worried? LOL. You don't know much about the Yanks if you reckon they worry about wars.They want them, start them, profit from them and drag everyone else into them.When they are not doing that, they use Israeli number plates to hit and run their own targets. The line between Israel and America no longer exists.When the Yanks find themselves between wars they do it at home.
But, sadly, remember WE are allowing them to do all that.
With Russia we all went hysteric.
With Israel we all went sympathetic.
The issue is not that evil is winning it is that we are letting evil win.
@LFO: I agree we are just remoras on the shark. Enablers. Fluffers. Once we were looked up to, now looked down on , or for an opportunity. And we oblige, pre-lubed at our cost.Morally,ethically,fiscally and by way of sovereignty.
I wouldn't even say we are sympathetic to Israel. We've raced passed that point. We are now partners in whatever action they take, (militarily and philosophically) and we don't get to choose which parts we support or not. The next PM made it clear this morning, that only one side is ever right, no matter what war crimes they use.
I don’t trust the Chinese Government but I don’t think they would risk their export status by shutting down people’s cars or any other products. They might listen in on select conversations if they find the right target but so would any other Government. Look at our history in Timor L’est.
However, I certainly don’t trust the Israeli Government. I wonder how much Israeli made software is imbedded in systems in Australia, particularly security systems? Given how little Israel cares about national sovereignty and international law I think that is a real concern. They’ve used bombs in pagers and walkie talkies; used fake Australian passports for their assassination squads in sovereign nations. Frankly threatening to shutdown software if a remote Government doesn’t toe the line is certainly not beyond them.
BTW there is conjecture Musk has already remotely shutdown a cyber truck used by a Chechen warlord. Don’t piss off Musk if you have a Tesla.
However, I think a lot of this comes down to the US Government’s protectionist policies, they pay lip service to the concept of a free market. They make China out to be the big bad to try to improve their manufacturing industries. The joke is the jobs won’t go back to America, they will just go to the next cheap source of labour.
Gotta love the Car industry lobbyists and their xenophobia.
Meanwhile Australia's getting cheap chinese EV's and loving it.
Hanging out another year until I can get a cheaper Chinese EV. I don't see much innovation coming from America!
bingo,
The Fat cats at GM and Ford have to justify their lack of innovation and growing pay packets some how even if it means forcing the government to keep out genuinely competitive cars for the sake of theirs.
Pretty sure they've shot themselves in the foot though because their own cars will have chinese parts in them.
That's what gets me, clearly the computer chips, screens, etc all come from China. IF they end up banning Chinese parts then the US cars will have to go back to the pre-computer days. I think it's unavoidable to not use Chinese parts.
@Drakesy: Willing to bet it's more a case of a stuff up in the design of the hard or software, before it's a design attribute, but I'll watch this space. So far there's only one country (that I know of,recently) blowing ppl up with rigged domestic tech.
I wonder if Monty Python will be charged with treason too?
(note the lyrics at the beginning.Timeless)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DqvweTYTI0
This was actually in the news LAST WEEK +++ was talked about around my office LAST week.
Some ways - it's a good thing - China manufacturer can remotely shut down car if stolen.
But the US/EU manufacturers == very similar - with them "phone home" / remote access … BMW / MERC / TESLA.
Anyway - my work has now moved onto another topic of discussion this week … Please do try to keep up with the times.
What's this weeks topic?
This week's topic === Retirement villages +++ aged care homes == scamming ppl/etc … $$$ +++ Is close to home/emotional toi
I have parents in retirement village + dad needing to move to an aged care home very soon.
They will lose close to $350,000 when leave retirement village +++ similar to ABCnews article … Village completely guts house +++ refurbishes it (even though parents moved into home 5'ish years ago … With completely new paint + oven/stove/kitcheb refurb/outdoor pergola/bathroom renovation.
And for dad to move to an aged care home - will cost him roughly $450,000 - with no return of money if he leaves/die.
Anyway - getting sidetracked … But do keep up with "water cooler" topics at work
Nothing new, the Americans did the same with Japanese products in the 80s. National security is their excuse for everything now.
Australia may follow suit which explain why there are so many deals in Chinese EV cars recently.
Thats not why there have been price drops. Although, its not much of a stretch to consider that misinformation about EVs is harming sales.
Actually you know real reason why ??
I think its because the americans want to spy on their citizens, and these chinese are gonna take their spying away
watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Olo7B2ZydI
American/japanese/german/Eu car makers etc all are spying on drivers.
To be honest all connected technologies you get from the car manufacturer directly are capable of spying to them.
Hence it is best to install those technologies yourself aftermarket (so they got no direct connection from car manufacturer). And you know who can spy most technically ?? _- GOOGLE & Apple via their Wireless Android auto & Apple Car play (if they want to).
I think its because the americans want to spy on their citizens, and these chinese are gonna take their spying away
Wouldn't be surprised about that. Appear to be alĺ concerned about the chinese spying to deflect from all the 'data collection' done by mega corporations and the sold for profit. Its likely not about stopping the chinese from spying, but protecting the profit msrgins of google and faceache.
Do you have any examples of Chinese software that doesn't have shitty UI?
The problem is not CHINESE connected cars.
It is CONNECTED cars.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/hackers-found-millions-of-kias…
A point lost on the US and Canberra's street sleeping drunkard, the Pistol & Boo assassin.
China (Russia etc) could do more harm intruding on any manufactures 'connected' autos.And if they weren't thinking about it before the Yanks spat the dummy, it will be top of the list now. In a world where drones as big as bugs exist , 'making mischief' is now childs play.
Not Chinese connected cars, CCP connected cars
Will the proposed ban include Chinese made Mobile Phones??
Funny how this topic (mobile phones made in China) are ever never mentioned.
Is it because iPhones et.all couldn't sell unless (cheaply/low cost) made in China???
The list of parts and whole objects with Chinese content, in every corner of every society is longer than Trumps list of lies.(Which is enoooooooooooormous).
They could do more damage per country just by stopping exports overnight. And if anyone can ride out a global depression, the Chinese can. The Yanks would be eating their kids in a week.(Never mind the Haitian cat and dog BS)
The Yanks would be eating their kids in a week.(Never mind the Haitian cat and dog BS)
LOL!!!
Priceless indeed!!!!!!
@LFO: As it turns out the US are up to their guts in the whole Israel conflict. I'll bet the conversation went.
ISRAEL"We'll do the dirty work cos Biden doesn't want to give Trump any political gains over another ME war, if you provide the weapons and troops. They can borrow our uniforms"
USA; " That's how we usually do it"
Pretty soon we'll be sending our boys/girls over to the mess, and churning out more PTSD over another waste of life that none of the west is interested in pulling Netanyahu into line.Now when they send him to the Hague he can play the America card . What a cluster flick
Ultimately i dont care about where the software comes from its the potential vulnerability of the access point that is more of a concern.
Its more likely some malicious hacker causing problems than a foreign country.
I vaguely remember many years ago a American University experiment where they were hacked a car(a Ford maybe?) while driving beside it and were able to apply the brakes?
Cars today have much more integrated technology than back then so while doubtful you would get hacked there are risks.
US Government Might Ban Chinese Technology / Software in Connected Cars
Anything and everything goes when trying to boycott a superior technology.
Holden had shut down tech in Captivas from the getgo.
PS I also suspect Stihl has shutdown tech on my brushcutter
As far as price goes the cost of Chinese EVS to AU can only fall ( without a ban) to make up the US sales losses.
AU should import more, badge engineer, and fire up the car industry again, to place our own tech inside them.LOL
Holden Boomer Rang
Ford ORSEE EV
Make sure we don't convert the steering over to LHD. Let them adapt for a change.
If Australia does anything in this such as tariffs, it will most likely be for different reasons, such as human rights, slave labour, or balancing trade so we are not the dumpng ground for their cheap cars.
The only fear from Chinese cars being controlled from elsewhere, and definitely possible, is if we end up at war with them. They have not backed down on the threat of taking Taiwan by any means possible, so it is definitely possible, but if you choose not to believe anything but the CCP propanda that they are good and innocent, then you can definitely by a cheap car. And let's face it, if we end up at war with them, there will be bigger things to worry about than your car.
How do you read the article stating they are planning and thinking it has already banned?