Need Some Advice for My Career to Restart My Life

Hi everyone,

I’ve been feeling quite anxious these days. Some of my friends have already bought their second or third house, with their children playing in the spacious living rooms. Meanwhile, I’m still renting and browsing OzBargain for cheaper deals to save a few cents every day. I’m already over 30, and I feel like I’m falling behind my peers. That’s why I’ve decided to quit my dead-end job in retail and pursue a brighter career path, or maybe even start my own business. Hopefully, this will help accelerate my life progress.

So, my question is: What are the promising industries in 2024 and beyond, where a rookie could work or start a new business?

Being over 30, I can’t afford to make the wrong decision and lose more time. I’ve asked GPT, but I’d also like to hear some human advice. I’ve worked in retail for ages and hold a degree in IT (BA). However, I’ve only had some project experience and haven’t yet worked in a full-time role in the field. It’s been quite challenging to find an IT job this year, should I continue pursuing it?

Thank you in advance for your time and valuable advice!

Comments

  • +2

    If you know IT and are good at it cyber security is only going to get bigger as AI gets bigger.

    • As I’m not very skilled in coding, do you think it’s worth returning to university and starting over with cybersecurity?

      • +2

        Contact Richard Buckland and ask. Perhaps find some of his lectures and see what is involved. Programming experience is likely not a high priority in all cybersecurity areas.

        • He seems like a good person, but he also comes off as quite self-deprecating.

      • University is a money pit.

        Regarding university education, for many people, a university education is a poor investment unless you need it for compliance so that you can practice in fields like law, medicine, or pharmacy. The stress of becoming a doctor, pharmacist, solicitor, or barrister just isn't worth it when there are quicker ways to make money.

        What is that quicker way to earn money going to be for you? Only you can answer that, and it depends on the kind of person you are. Look at how you were as a younger person as that will reveal the type of person you are. "If you’re just an ordinary person, and there's nothing wrong with being ordinary, then you can't really expect to achieve something extraordinary.

        Almost exclusively everything I learned about cybersecurity was self-taught because there was not a dedicated Bachelor of Cybersecurity or a Cybersecurity Major. I guess that is what makes me extraordinary. If you only learn what the university teaches you, you're just repeating and applying old material to your life. You aren't ever going to be on the cusp of innovation. You need to do something that is unique and special to yourself.

        The graduates that have been brainwashed into doing a Bachelor of Cybersecurity just because they want to make money are going to have a hard time competing against someone like myself. I can't help but wonder if these graduates from certain programs often end up working for government agencies that push for regulations requiring tech companies to create backdoors. It just oozes incompetence at its finest. These are the same students who are likely to be involved in poor implementations of cryptography. While such methods might benefit ASIO in infiltrating others, having them used internally within ASIO itself would be quite concerning.

        It takes a special type of person to be successful in cybersecurity. It is the type that constantly seeks to explore things. It is someone who breaks the software inside their television as a child and learns how channels are scanned as in old school televisions you did not have auto scan. It is the one who finds cheat codes to kill someone's Tamagotchi because they don't have the time to be resetting their device to get perfect the monster's stats. It is the one who does not have the time to play Neopets flash games, so you just send the score directly to the server to collect the points and the trophy. It is the one who is using macros to play Runescape because who has the time to study and play games. It is the one who codes a bot to play Astonia bypassing the macro daemon's math questions. It is someone who one who manages to get their disk limit increased from 20MB to 100 GB in high school.

        Either you are, or your aren't cybersecurity material. If you don't have anything special about you, then you can just become a Brian Krebs, which is more of a marketing guru rather than a cybersecurity specialist.

        Sure you can be an ordinary IT worker which these days are mostly imported from overseas. However, you cannot be a successful Security Architect. We "had" talent here in Australia, but most of us are now domiciled overseas due to the racism we experienced from the Australian Government, partly due to the outsourcing of recruitment to companies which were frankly full of racists. These companies included Manpower, something that starts with One or has a One in their name, possibly also Saville but I believe they only provide the tests, and various others that I briefly remember but do not have any digital records of to confirm. This was in the period around ~2010 when racism was not a cancellable event. Over the past decade, DEI policies have been introduced, but for those of us who feel mildly disillusioned with the country of our birth, these efforts have come too little, too late.

        From my perspective I see people often criticise China for having red lines, but the constraints in Western society are even more arbitrary. At least in China you know if you screwed up, you can't go to jail for being a normal disgruntled citizen. In the West, you could end up facing significant challenges and not understand what you have done wrong unless you have time to read through all the legislation on a random topic. In Australia you can go to jail for being a journalist and having a book that promotes terrorism because you were doing research to write an article for the Murdoch/Fairfax newspapers. I don't remember the exact details, but these arbitrary nature of arrests in the West are similar to what happened with Pavel Durov.

        Durov was arrested for refusing to comply with Mandatory Key Disclosure laws. As a coder, you probably don't even care about those laws. It is a side issue. Tough luck for the government because frankly why are they not disclosing everything that ASIO does? Of course, that's not allowed, is it? What are you trying to hide? Freedom of Information requests are heavily redacted, but it's clear this isn't a national security issue. The reality is, there's significant corruption in the Australia — that's just how it works. The CFMEU scandal is just the surface of it.

        In a recent interview before Durov was arrested they tried to convince one of his developers to implement a poorly coded open source cryptographic suite which would make it easier for intelligence agencies to break. I would like to know which one this was because frankly I would not be surprised if CIA does not fully cooperate with ASIO and they have a backdoor right into every one of the Australian Government's dealings. Remember Whitlam's dismissal, that was the USA subverting Australia through its relationship with Kerr. It is like Australians never learn.

        Today, I see the Australian Government are making the same mistakes again, but it seems the bureaucrats don't view things the same way I do or they wish for some pipedream that is not reflective of reality. You do what is best for your people in Australia, but instead what I see is that you do your best to retain the system of government that disempowers and taxes your ordinary citizens to fund stupid wars in foreign countries. How can you become an innovator in Australia with these constraints? Even companies like Airwallex have domiciled in the Cayman Islands. That is how far Australia has failed. I don't blame them because look at what Australia is doing as a country. It's disgraceful.

        Ask yourself, are you willing to go to jail because you want to get into Cybersecurity? Those red lines in Australia are unknown. You live in Australia, some of my colleagues call it affectionately Ausjailia because it is a giant prison island. e.g. "Oh sweet, you escaped Ausjailia, nice to have you here." This is not some random country like Ukraine or Romania where you have more freedom to code anything wild. In Australia I do believe in the future people will go to jail for coding Artificial Intelligence that exposes government corruption and actively uncensors content.

        • Obviously, must have offended someone with the downvotes already happening, but there is no constructive reply.

          My guess is it has something to do with Ausjailia, but hey the Poms in Hong Kong tell me all the time, glad you escaped. lol. That's where it comes from, what happened to the old Larrikin nature of Australians.

          People can't take a joke anymore.

          • @852 Neon Nights: Yeah, it seems like people are really out of touch these days.

            For example:

            Check out Protractor's comments below. Although no one seems to grasp why he posted those comments, if you're sharp and read between the lines, you can see that he noticed Misty Echo's anxiety and their abrupt resignation. To me, this hints at something deeper going on.

            • @JamesTurne18: Exactly this! Sadly emotional intelligence isn’t exactly a lot of people’s strength (yet everyone will list active /reflective listening as a strength ;-)

              Based on what they’ve written The OP has a bit going on than just this. It’s really common for people of that age to go through this particularly when they see people their age go through life milestones and they are seemingly ‘standing still’ it’s really tough and hope the OP gets the right supports

      • You don't need to know a lot of code to do certain jobs.

        • -2

          Obviously you don't, but you would not be earning any more than you would at a retail job. People seriously underrate how much you get paid in retail.

          You would also not be able to call yourself a professional in any capacity.

          Why would someone return to university to learn about cybersecurity when they already have a bachelors of IT? You haven't explained that the OP.

  • +2

    Have you done an inventory of your stengths and motivators? Consultants like this can help: https://birkman.com.au/report-option/

    • Thanks will have a look!

  • +4

    Join the military. What could possibly go wrong?

  • +11

    Nice your friends have houses and that. They probably have mortgages too.

    Renting used to be OK and offered flexibility to those working towards career stability or changing location.
    Now renting is just sad with no end to increases and embedding the renter in a Rent trap that pushes home ownership away to a never-never land.

    If you have worked in Retail, don't forget you have developed people skills.

    I'd look at opportunities using your IT degree and people skills.
    Maybe helping people understand how AI may help their business or lives or Cyber Security will be huge.

    • Investing your money and renting used to be viable, probably not anymore with rents going up and up and up. May be better off stepping into the bubble while you still can.

  • +37

    As someone that is now happy, can I suggest that you stop comparing yourself to anyone and just pursue what you want to pursue.

    Material things are not what you should be aiming for….. just saying

    • +14

      Comparison is the thief of joy.

      • Quite profound

        • +1

          Your message is the one OP needs to follow, I just have the cool saying I got from Jimmy Carr.

  • +13

    There’s a lot to unpack here and I’m not even sure a paid version of Winzip could do it.

    degree in IT

    How long ago? Have you spent any time and resources keeping up to date with these skills/ knowledge?

    do you think it’s worth returning to university and starting over with cybersecurity?

    Imo no… unless you would say you are very good student, and prepared to hustle hard on networking with industry contacts. Just rocking up to class and passing the course isn’t going to get you a job when entry level stuff can be outsourced overseas easy or taken by AI.

    retail

    Are you any good at sales? As someone who did many years in retail I can for sure say it’s a dead end unless you are super motivated, and got the skill and persona to climb the ladder. If you happen to have people skills and can talk the talk and walk the walk you could be good at recruitment or REA - at least commissions can help boost income.

    promising industry
    lose time

    As someone who has a few side gig business as well, it’s tough out there atm. I found some niches that relate to my knowledge that I picked up through my day job, only makes a bit of ‘fun’ money though. Definitely nothing life changing and tbh I just don’t have enough gas to power through and take it to next level

    • +12

      Every thread there is someone peddling a paid version of WinZip.

      The big compression industry has no limits

  • +4

    decided to quit my dead-end job in retail and pursue a brighter career path

    Seems like it would be wiser to find and secure the new career path before quitting the current dead end career path .

  • +3

    Doing a trade was the best advice I ever got. It's served me well over the years.

    • +8

      Based off how op presents in the write up I’m not so sure they would survive the apprenticeship… it’s still rough as hell out there especially as a mature age apprenticeship seeker unless you can bite your tongue and cop it all day everyday, don’t mind heights, dirty work, questionable safety practices on some sites, physically strenuous work, being blamed for all the stuff ups, heat, cold, racism, bullying, toxic work sites etc - and that’s if they got the funds to do the first level at tafe to whatever trade before being able to start an apprenticeship (if they can find one)

      Otherwise I agree - trade is a good choice.

  • +1

    …and "jobs" aint your problem. Seeking life advice on a forum is. Put down the gadgets, go bush walking, and learn to breath again.
    Talk to your GP. Understand yourself.

    • +7

      Please don't take up a GP appointment to ask for career advice

      • +6

        Okee,
        but,
        If all you read in the OP is asking for career advice, see your GP.

      • the person you replied to said "jobs" wasn't the problem…implying it could be a mental health issue which the GP can definitely help with.

    • +2

      another interesting angle from you!

    • Ha, I get it mate. lol.

    • +1

      you should not be seeking life advice on a forum, God knows who these strangers are and how good or not their advice will be.

      Also

      Here's my advice, stranger

      • High praise from such a sweet source. Thanks for not only noticing, but also for your desire to disseminate it for the greater good.

        • sarcastic ad hominem with a "good on you for posting on here (something I also did but let's not focus on that now)" chaser

          Thanks for the reminder it's bin night

    • +1

      Oh Protractor, what a comment, best I've seen all year on Ozbargain.

      +9 and -9 resulting in net zero so far, isn't there an ozbargain award of the month for comments like these?

      • this is actually impressive, there needs to be an ozb medal for posts like these

  • +1

    Do you feel you have gave it 100% in what lead you to your current position
    If yes, then that's all you got (I doubt it)
    If no, then you need to give it 100% in your journey. It's not good enough to say it's challenging to find a job. You need to keep at it and give it 100%.
    I don't believe in challenging times and it's all too hard. There is always people that succeed though difficult times and that's typically the ones that gave it 100% and more.

  • +10

    I’ve been feeling quite anxious these days. Some of my friends have already bought their second or third house, with their children playing in the spacious living rooms. Meanwhile, I’m still renting and browsing OzBargain for cheaper deals to save a few cents every day. I’m already over 30, and I feel like I’m falling behind my peers.

    You've probably heard this, but stop comparing yourself to others.

    Sure, there are those better than you. There are also those in much worse positions than you. You are well fed, you have stable shelter over your head, you have access to technology, you have a job.

    You are already in a better position than probably 80-90% of the world's population. Before you make any decisions, take stock of where you are at and make an objective, fact-based assessment of where you are.

    That’s why I’ve decided to quit my dead-end job in retail and pursue a brighter career path, or maybe even start my own business. Hopefully, this will help accelerate my life progress. So, my question is: What are the promising industries in 2024 and beyond, where a rookie could work or start a new business? Being over 30, I can’t afford to make the wrong decision and lose more time. I’ve asked GPT, but I’d also like to hear some human advice. I’ve worked in retail for ages and hold a degree in IT (BA). However, I’ve only had some project experience and haven’t yet worked in a full-time role in the field. It’s been quite challenging to find an IT job this year, should I continue pursuing it?

    Again, this is probably going to be stale advice. However, don't listen to the "fake gurus" who sell you on an easy path to wealth.

    The reality is that for the vast majority of people, the best and easiest way to make money is to get a job.

    You say you're in a "dead-end retail job", but why is it dead-end? Are there actually objectively no opportunities, or are you not willing to look out for them and go after them? If you want to go after new opportunities, why not start with the one you have right now?

    I have a close friend I went to high school with who took a gap year after finishing high school to figure out what he wanted to do, and ended up working basically full time at Macca's. I recall being shocked when he told me he decided that going to uni wasn't for him, and he'd continue working at Macca's to figure out what he wanted to do next. He ended up continuing to work there for the next few years, gradually becoming the store manager, then an area manager (looking after a group of stores), to moving to the head office to lead their employee training program, then became a category manager, pursued an MBA, and came back working in business development for Macca's (looking at new store opportunities).

    FWIW, I think this is all a side discussion though. It sounds like you are trying to find meaning in your life. Chasing after others and more career progression appeals to you because it gives you the short-term dopamine hit, but I think you ought to spend the time to find out what really matters to you in your life. What makes you truly happy, what do you feel is a worthy cause for you to put your time towards, who are the people you want to spend your time with…etc.?

    If you've not had much to do over a number of years aside from doomscrolling on social media, it takes work, and it's difficult at the start, but you will get there.

  • +2

    A few ideas
    - Teaching. Do a grad dip or masters but keep working in retail (or somewhere) whilst you’re doing it.
    - health. You’ll need to come in entry level into an admin/project/IT support type role.
    - real estate/property management
    - IT sales

    It’s a bit hard to tell your circumstances but on face value it seems like you’re comparing yourself as a single person without kids to people with double incomes and kids.

    You could reach out to your friends for advice. If people know you want change they usually are very happy to help but probably won’t offer advice unless you ask. Also whoever you work under at work. Let them know you’re looking for career progression and if there’s anything your current employer can suggest. You could also start attending local business networking events to get ideas and connections (just watch out for scammers).

    • +1
      • Teaching.
      • health.

      Yep. Both are great suggestions. I'm unsure where OP lives, but in VIC, they'll actually pay for your degree for both of those and your placements for nursing. IMO, if anyone needs a job, they should go for these as they literally are making it free.

      • +2

        You're right. Great careers for the right ppl. There's now really wide open doors. But both professions need more of the RIGHT people, not just numbers. That includes 'empathy'. Especially the front line health area.
        Neither profession should be seen as a last resort or 'this will do'.

    • Better off staying in retail than blindly jumping into teaching.

      • +1

        The suggestion was to think about it, do a post grad qual whilst still working in retail if that’s something of interest to them. I don’t know that I’d call that ‘blindly jumping into’. A teaching qual has many different paths post study one of which is teaching in a school, others are organisational learning, adult learning, change management, medical education, childcare management, etc. OP was asking for suggestions for change.

  • +2

    Pack it up, book a flight to south-east Asia and become another youtuber. Give it 12 months and see how things go - worst case, you gain 12 months of memories.

    • I've actually considered this months ago since I know my way around haha. There's definitely a good amount of money.

  • +6

    Grass is always greener mate.

    Your friends with their "2nd or third house and families playing in the living room" are probably up to their eyeballs in debt and worrying about a 0.05% increase in their mortgage where they'll have to sell and are not sure how they'll pay their kids schooling.

    People only present the best to the world, not the reality.

    Don't let the jealously of what others have drive you, because it won't take you very far. Do it for you.

    So, my question is: What are the promising industries in 2024 and beyond, where a rookie could work or start a new business?

    I can almost guarantee you that this will end poorly. Most small businesses fail, especially those started out of jealousy of what their friends have and in an industry you know nothing about.

    I’ve asked GPT

    Lol

    Being over 30, I can’t afford to make the wrong decision and lose more time.

    Then don't start a business

  • +6

    Hi, I'm one of your friends with a 2nd or third house and a family playing in the living room.
    It's not amazing, I tell you.
    I'm also stuck in a dead end job (don't think i have any more advancement opportunities here), and I definitely can't afford to start over.
    Also I'm closer to 40 than 30.

    You should open a bubble tea store. You can proably run it yourself. Or a frozen yoghurt shop where people serve themselves and put it on the scales. All you have to do is to ring up the price.

    • +1

      bubble tea store

      Maybe 10 years too late on that one…

    • +4

      You should open a bubble tea store

      Sounds like OP is already a citizen…

      • Bubble tea. That's GOLD!

  • +2

    What are you friends jobs? Get one of them.

  • -2

    Look up compounding videos on YouTube. Something like 10k a year @ 10% pa turns into $1 million over twenty years for example. So that's "big picture". Looking at an end goal helped me as well (long term unemployed). Eg, the house you want to live in. Getting organised and applying for jobs + moving.

  • +5

    I was in a similar position about 8 years ago. I retrained as a high school teacher and havent looked back. The pay is resonable, job security is excellent, opportunities for career advancement are also good too. Federal Government is also providing incentives to make it easier to become a teacher and do prac's, including payment for pracs.

    Nursing, while very different to your current role, is in very high demand. Theres also some good pay incentives and structures which exist. Pay is reasonable and may further improve. Its also something that will always be in demand and be transferable to many other places.

    • Great advice. For domestic students, nursing fees are cheap, demand and job stability is high, and during the 3 year course there's plenty of disability/aged/support work to go around.

      For OP… a career will last a big chunk of time and 30 is still young. It might be worthwhile pursuing that IT career a little further - I can imagine that there are all sorts of jobs related to IT/computers/critical thinking that might not fit the conventional IT job filter.

  • +4

    mate, i wouldnt worry about friends ect buying 2nd or 3rd homes, who cares, im 40 and i still rent, big deal, i got a good car, and i go away on holidays ever 6-9months, cruises twice a year. im living the best life when everyone else is struggling to pay home loans

  • +4

    first thing, don't quit your paying job till you have another to walk into. This just sends you further backwards and puts an unsightly hole in your CV. Don't be afraid to take crappy help desk or support roles in IT, they are generally shitty jobs and pay badly but you have to start somewhere.

  • +1

    I gather you aren't looking for specific career advice so I would just say, life isn't a race. you can have 20 houses and be miserable, or you can have no houses and live your best life. focus on your physical health, mental health, look after your family and friends and things will fall into place

    • +1

      you are comparing apples and oranges. consequently you can have no houses and be absolutely miserable. Most people will find it much easier to focus on physical health, mental health and family if money is no longer a major concern. far easier to be happy and content if you can remove a stress point like money.

      • i guess you missed the point. i'm not comparing anything and not saying money isn't important, conversely you can absolutely be happy without what people would think is "well off"money. the whole point is not to compare yourself to others, focus on what is important to you but don't use others as a metric of success. when you have two houses you will compare yourself to your rich friends who don't have a mortgage. you will never be happy

        • I guess you missed the point also. Ignoring something as critical as your financial wellbeing makes everything else harder. Money doesn't bring happiness, but it is a hell of a lot easier find it if you aren't slogging your guts out just trying to survive. aspiring to something better is also part of your wellbeing and health and the best time of life to address that is when you are younger as it only gets harder the older you get.

          • @gromit: they are two completely separate issues which you are trying to conflate into an A vs B argument which nobody asked for.

            I'm just saying comparison is the thief of joy and you chose to bring up the issue of money, which I actually agree with, it's just not relevant to my comment. So I really don't know why we are having this exchange

            • @May4th: simply pointing out what you are saying is utter garbage. comparison is not the thief of joy at all, striving to achieve to improve your lot in life brings many huge amounts of joy and it is very relevant to your comment as you talk about health yet explicitly exclude a vital part of it, ambition and life goals are absolutely a healthy part of that when set correctly.

              • @gromit: I guess you're the odd one out then going by the other comments on this thread.. has it occurred to you that those two things are not mutually exclusive? you can absolutely be driven, ambitious and kick goals without trying to keep up with the jones or see who's got the flashier car or bigger house. and its fine not to be ambitious either, everyone finds happiness in different ways, and that's ok - seems like you are just projecting and forcing your values on anyone that listens

  • Do you like IT? If so, you need to show future employers that you've done a refresher and not outdated, which means doing a graduate certificate or graduate diploma in an IT course.

    I think the days where programmers and IT people don't need degrees are gone.

    If you don't like IT, you need to think hard into what you want to pivot into. What your interests are, your skills. If you've worked in retail for so long you can try a business support position in buying, planning, merchandise. But entry level pay is low and you'll need to work your way up.

    Otherwise, like others have mentioned, try nursing or teaching. The pay is pretty good from the start. You're probably very good at putting up with people so you'll manage fine in those jobs.

  • Trade

  • You don't need career advice, you need to think about what you actually want in life, not just following what other people are doing. Do you want kids? Would having multiple houses make you happy? What's your ideal life look like in 10 years? Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuHuxX22OOQ

  • +1

    How do you feel if you do not compare yourself to your peers?
    Someone much wiser than I said, "Comparison is the killer of joy."

  • Rather than what do you want to do, one question I was asked was "how do you want to live?". Whilst I mostly enjoy my current job working as a Tech BA, I don't want to live my life climbing the corporate ladder so my partner and I decided to start a business but still working our corporate jobs until we've set up the foundations to step away. Happy to chat if you need a sounding board. :)

  • -1

    im 30 and onto my 100th home

  • Don’t fall for the trap! I just got a second mortgage for in laws to live here and they don’t pay a cent. Now I have a newborn child and found out in-laws have cancer so now I am taking them to chemo and they are unable to assist with the newborn. In the end I pay more for nothing! I coulda been single and renting and living the easy life

    • I hope the property title is in your name, or you and your spouses names. It sounds like you’re getting scammed by your own spouses family. Whilst it’s lovely to care for family within your means, if it’s causing financial stress this is not fair on you.

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