Help with Replacement Battery for HP EliteBook X360 1040 G6

Oz em on 29/08/2024 - 11:23

I purchased a laptop for my daughter for school

HP EliteBook x360 1040 G6 i7 8665U 1.90GHz 16GB RAM 256GB

She is finding it is going flat by the end of lunch time and her last 2 lessons for the day she can’t use it as they are not allowed to charge at school.
They were lenient but are now due to be audited so strictly no charging at school under any circumstances.

Could anyone post a link to a suitable battery that I could purchase? Preferably a battery with a higher capacity.

Thanks all for your help.

Computing Computer HP Laptop

Comments

  • pharkurnell on 29/08/2024 - 11:34

    as they are not allowed to charge at school.

    WTF? Any logical reason?

    • jv on 29/08/2024 - 12:11
      -1

      Climate change

    • Oz em on 31/08/2024 - 22:41

      I asked her more about this today.
      She said they are only allowed if the charger has been tagged as checked. If not it’s an electrical hazard. All of the teachers chargers are tagged.
      The school doesn’t check them for students and has said it’s expensive to get them checked.

      • rumblytangara on 01/09/2024 - 00:10
        -1

        Wow, that sounds like the most incredible line of bullshit ever- what sort of school is this?

        Are they seriously claiming they have a sparkie come in and tear open all the staff OEM chargers and certify them, then seal them up again?

        Fortune 500 companies don't bother with this crap, a primary or high school certainly will not be doing this. And if they are, the parents should be pissed that the school is blowing resources on something so pointless.

        • Oz em on 01/09/2024 - 05:19

          Public school.

        • Devastator0 on 01/09/2024 - 15:34
          +1

          Most likely by "checking", they're just having a yearly "tag 'n' test" bloke come around and do all of the staff's equipment etc. Probably just not practical or cost effective for them to do it for the kid's equipment too. I went through this in regards to a mate's daughter who needed a laptop that had a battery that could last the entire day without needing a charge.

          Schools these days just want all kids to have a Macbook Air tbh and nothing else.

        • skillet on 02/09/2024 - 09:08
          +1

          Unfortunately this rort has been going on for quite sometime. It's pretty common in many work places where the insurance company only payout if the work environment is 'certified' safe.

          In many cases I have seen the person removed the cables, check the resistance on the cables, tagged the cables then put the back on the device. It does absolutely nothing to the device you are using. Plus who's gonna stop you from bring your own charger to work? Or that vain HR from using her Daison hair curler from Temu with a adapter plug?

          I guess these tags just cover someone's backside if there's a fire or whatever. Totally waste of time and money.

      • pharkurnell on 01/09/2024 - 10:56
        +1

        FFS, its not an EV… theres no chance of fire.

  • JustinFR on 29/08/2024 - 11:46
    +1

    BL04XL

  • jv on 29/08/2024 - 12:08
    +6

    If it can charge via USB-C, just get one of these power banks or similar…

    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/862844

    I think you'll need something that is at least 65W

    • teacherer on 29/08/2024 - 13:13

      I'd def choose a powerbank too

      • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:25

        Better just to replace the battery. Fix the real problem, don't band-aid it. Schoolbags are too heavy already without tossing in extra big powerbanks.

        • teacherer on 29/08/2024 - 13:27
          +4

          Why not both, I doubt it'll last 6 hours of full use on 1 battery either

          • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:32
            +2

            @teacherer:

            Why not both,

            Because that laptop was originally released as a very long runtime laptop…

            …5 years ago.

            Daily full to empty usage for five years is going to absolutely hose the battery. And if this is an ex-corporate machine, for those years it was probably kept at 100% charge, which also kills the battery.

            New battery should get her through another couple of lessons and the end of the day. Without having to carry around an extra half kilo of powerbank.

            Sure, if the laptop doesn't last even after a new battery, look into other options. But fix the real problem first.

            • teacherer on 29/08/2024 - 13:40
              +1

              @rumblytangara: Mate a 7000mah on an older laptop, even new isn't going to get you far with schoolwork.
              I see kids daily with more efficient chrome books with larger batteries die by the end of lunch.

              Not to mention a fairly cost effective powerbank can have many more uses than just a laptop.

              But sure, go off lol

              • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:47
                -1

                @teacherer: So by your logic, OP may as well just take out the existing worn out battery and run off a whopping big powerbank… instead of addressing the most immediate problem first.

                Username checks out.

                • teacherer on 29/08/2024 - 13:48
                  +1

                  @rumblytangara: Lots of assumptions going on there pal

                  • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:49

                    @teacherer: The initial assumption was that you might have a clue, but I was definitely wrong.

                    • teacherer on 29/08/2024 - 13:50

                      @rumblytangara: It's me who has no clue

                      • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:54

                        @teacherer:

                        It's me who has no clue

                        I'm glad we agree on something…?

                        The old reviews for this machine when it came out gave 9 hours of runtime for continuous use. Replacing the 5 year old battery is definitely the sensible first move.

                        This was a weird digression. What is it with OzBargain and its obsession with powerbanks.

                        • teacherer on 29/08/2024 - 13:55

                          @rumblytangara: Yes. Powerbanks are absolutely useless with no practicality, especially for a teenager

                          • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:59

                            @teacherer:

                            Yes. Powerbanks are absolutely useless with no practicality, especially for a teenager

                            Tell me- who said that in this thread, and where? Come on, quote it.

                            From your username and your comments, this apparently lack of basic reading comprehension and inability to string together a coherent argument makes me sad for the state of our education system.

          • bargaino on 29/08/2024 - 16:23
            +1

            @teacherer: That laptop will have no problems lasting a day with a new battery, even an after-market one with 80% of the claimed capacity.

            You may have been using an over-sized budget laptop with inefficient CPU, if it does not last a day.

  • rumblytangara on 29/08/2024 - 13:38
    +1

    Could anyone post a link to a suitable battery that I could purchase? Preferably a battery with a higher capacity.

    There's not going to be a "higher capacity" option- capacity is determined by the size of the Lipo pack, more capacity = bigger pack. And as the battery is totally internal, there's a limit to the size.

    Anything that claims a significantly higher capacity than stock is probably from some dodgy source that lies about capacity.

    If you can get the original HP part for a reasonable price, just get that.

  • Nonna75 on 29/08/2024 - 14:56

    You can try use this site to find some genuine replacement parts: https://store.emprgroup.com.au/HPParts.aspx You just put in the serial number of the device in the search and it will list all the available replacement parts for the device including the battery.

    I haven't had an issue with anything I've purchased off them.

    *edit Looks like the BL04XL battery that originally came with your device has been superseded by the L07041-855 battery - https://store.emprgroup.com.au/p-543514-l07041-855.aspx. This is $200 with free shipping which based off the current refurb prices of your device is about half the price of a new one. If this is a relatively new device you might feel it is worth it. However if this is an older device I would be considering upgrading to a newer device that will be better in terms of battery life and performance.

  • 01001111 01000010 on 30/08/2024 - 07:17
    -1

    Buy a MacBook

  • orangehead911 on 30/08/2024 - 08:39

    Check the battery health. If it’s within warranty and health is less than 80% they should replace it for free. If it’s healthy then check to see if there are any apps on there that’s sucking down power. You should be able to see which apps are using the most power in the Task Manager. If not needed uninstall them.

    A power bank with high current output might be a solution as well if the advice above doesn’t yield results. One that can handle at least 65w USB-C PD.

    My kids used to have a Lenovo yoga piece of junk laptop as mandated by their school. Even as new it would run flat around lunch time. Never delivered on the promise of all day battery. Then I bought them each a MacBook Air and the now have all day battery and then some. Not flame bait.

    • Oz em on 30/08/2024 - 13:30

      Thank you. I am considering a MacBook for next year now.

  • Coffeedilmahh on 30/08/2024 - 11:47
    +1

    Getting the battery is half the battle, trying to replace it yourself without breaking something else is the other half

    • rumblytangara on 30/08/2024 - 12:00
      +1

      Depends on the laptop- some of them are almost designed to be hard to work on (Microsoft Surface) and some are easily doable with a small screwdriver and a guitar pick. The HP in question falls into the latter category.

      Last time I opened up a laptop, took me about 2 minutes. And that was because it was the first time I'd opened this model. I'll be doing it again soon to replace the battery- off memory there's one connector, an extra couple of screws, and one BIOS change to make beforehand.

      • Oz em on 30/08/2024 - 13:29

        Thanks. I think a power bank may be the way to go given it sounds a bit tricky to change it.

        A new laptop is in the plan for be t year so maybe she can just stick it out until then.

        • rumblytangara on 30/08/2024 - 15:25
          +1

          Fair enough, keep an eye out on the weight of her school bag though. My kid's bag is pretty heavy so I've even gone and replaced the standard charger with a lighter GaN one.

          Macbook CPUs have a huge power efficiency advantage over Intel still- if you really want long runtime, that's the way to go. Personally I shy away from dumping lots of money into an expensive new laptop that gets battered around in a schoolbag, so I prefer cheap ex-corporate machines and will replace parts as required.

          • Oz em on 30/08/2024 - 22:20

            @rumblytangara: I am looking at a MacBook for next year now.
            It will probably only be 256gb hard drive and m2 chip as this seems affordable. Hopefully it will be suitable.

            • rumblytangara on 30/08/2024 - 22:54

              @Oz em: Most school work seems to be online, so local storage space isn't an issue. At least with my kid's school.

  • StonedWizard on 30/08/2024 - 15:33
    +1

    Having used multiple generations of the x360 series of laptops, the battery life on them is very bad.

    Even with normal usage you only get 2 - 3 hours use out of them.

  • Leo Getz on 30/08/2024 - 21:54

    It is very doubtful that staff devices last all day without charging, so why the unrealistic expectation that BYO devices last all day.
    Take this to the school Principal, then the Education Office, then your local member, then the Education Minister, then the print/online media.

    • Oz em on 30/08/2024 - 22:26

      Thank you I will do that.
      The education minister is already familiar with me as I have complained numerous times about the student free broadband initiative not being available to me because I have fibre optic internet and can’t get nbn.
      I do think it’s unreasonable they can’t charge their laptops at school if it’s not able to hold enough charge for a full day of use. Until the start of this term she had a borrowed school laptop and it lasted all day with no issues, it was very basic and small and not ideal for doing school work.

      • Leo Getz on 31/08/2024 - 22:52

        Hmm, ok. So you have Telstra fibre?
        Interesting, anyway, not the topic of discussion.

        You could also talk to the P&C and lobby the school that way.

        Don't know which state you are in, or private/public school, or year level of your daughter, maybe I missed it above, don't really need to know.

        You could try a USB-C 65W or better power bank to charge it during break time, in between use or just during general usage if the battery gets low.
        According to the HP specs it will fast charge to 50% in 30 mins, power supply must be 65W or better.

  • Oz em on 01/09/2024 - 12:23

    The battery health shows 80%
    Is there possibly another issue? Should 80% be lasting for all of her lesson times which is probably 6 hours?

    It’s going flat after only 4 hours.

    • skillet on 02/09/2024 - 09:23

      Click on Start > Settings > System > Battery > Scroll down to Battery usage per app to see what is draining the battery.

      You can also try generating a battery report if it's any help
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/caring-for-your-….

      There are many reasons that drains battery and these are a few tips…
      Lower Screen Brightness.
      Turn off Keyboard backlight
      Adjust CPU Power Profile
      Adjust Fan profile to passive
      Turn off Bluetooth
      Turn off LTE if you have WiFi

      Uninstall all the HP bloat
      Uninstall all 3rd party Antivirus default back to Windows builtin.
      Uninstall all unnecessary apps.
      Scan the PC for any malware that's doing mining work in the background.
      Set Windows update to run only after school hours.

      Disable Background Apps
      Disable Camera access
      Disable Mic access
      Is her WhatsApp desktop on? Turn it off.
      If she has Chrome as default then turn off Edge run in background and vise versa.
      Install an adblock extension.
      Uninstall Spotify and whatever streaming music.
      If there's a backup like OneDrive or Google Drive working in the background you might want to adjust the settings so it's Syncing less often.

      Does she charge her phone with her laptop?

      Finally, how do you ensure that the 'new' replacement battery you are getting is fresh and not a new old stock from 2019 sitting in the warehouse? Secondary Li-Ion batteries start to decompose as soon as they leave the factory.

      https://youtu.be/xZcDqubqAwc

      • Oz em on 02/09/2024 - 20:53

        Thank you for taking the time to write this. I will go through each step and check it all.

        Phones are banned at school, she has an Apple Watch instead but no charger for it at school.

    • rumblytangara on 08/09/2024 - 08:59

      FWIW, I did a battery replacement last weekend. Old battery was showing 80% capacity which seemed reasonably for 5 years. It was requiring recharging at school, and would randomly go from half charge to zero so it clearly wasn't healthy.

      Replace with one recommended on OzB (pink somethin) who claimed genuine Lenovo parts… Still seemed unusually cheap for this- $80. Ran a calibration and it report 57WH up front the degraded 43WH of the old battery. It's lasting all day now and hadn't unexpectedly shutoff.

      Took five minutes to install.

      Beats the crap out of faffing with a power bank (extra half kilo of weight, extra cabling, 2 things to charge instead of one). The kid does have a power bank anyway for his phone, but he doesn't bring it to school.

      • Oz em on 23/09/2024 - 11:15

        I just bought one from there and installed it yesterday. It seems so much better already. Thanks for the tip!

  • Oz em on 23/09/2024 - 11:24
    +1

    I installed a new battery yesterday. It’s improved heaps.
    Thank you for the help. I have one happy kiddo.

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