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CyberPower Value Pro 1200VA/720W UPS $229 + Delivery ($0 C&C) + Surcharge @ Scorptec (Price Beat from $217.55 @ Officeworks)

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CyberPower Value Pro 1200VA/720W UPS $229 + Delivery ($0 C&C) + Surcharge @ Scorptec (Price Beat from $217.55 @ Officeworks)
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ImpulsePie on 16/08/2024 - 09:14 scorptec.com.au (1074 clicks)
Last edited 16/08/2024 - 10:57 by 1 other user

Had a short power outage earlier in the week which caused my Unraid NAS to unexpectedly shutdown, so spent some time looking at UPS' to plug the NAS, NBN box and router into so it doesn't happen again and I can get alerts.

Ended up price beating a Scorptec price of $229 at my local Officeworks (which had 2 left in stock) for $217.55 for a CyberPower VP1200ELCD. Compatible with the NUT plugin for Unraid which communicates to the UPS over USB, can initiate a safe shutdown of the NAS when on battery power for a certain amount of time, or at a certain UPS remaining battery level.

Officeworks has it for $349, was able to price beat by an extra 5% on the phone and pickup at my local store for a savings of about 38% off their listed price: https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/cyberpower…

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  • MorningThief on 16/08/2024 - 09:20
    +1

    never used anything like this before. having built a new system back in April, is this a simple thing as plugging everything (box & monitors) to this?

    • geekcohen on 16/08/2024 - 09:28

      is this a simple thing as plugging everything (box & monitors) to this?

      Yes, but generally you only use it for the PC itself, no monitors.

      You need to be careful of the load. This is only rated at 720W which might just be enough for your computer.

      I've got a 1300W on my alone and it lasts about 20 mins.

      • MorningThief on 16/08/2024 - 10:09

        i can only go off PCPartpicker's estimated wattage & it comes to just under 600W, despite using a 850W PSU. should the power go out, i'm guessing it should give me enough time to shut down all programs safely before the battery runs out.

        would it also matter if i have all components incl monitors plugged into one powerboard & i'll just daisy-chain everything?:

        components (box / dual 32" monitors) —> powerboard —> UPS —> wall outlet

        • geekcohen on 16/08/2024 - 11:24

          components (box / dual 32" monitors) —> powerboard —> UPS —> wall outlet

          This is fine.

          But again, I wouldn't plug monitors in. If you plug in the USB controller and software to the UPS, then the UPS when it gets to x% battery will safely shut down your machine for you.

          • MorningThief on 16/08/2024 - 11:27
            +1

            @geekcohen: ooh — so that's how the UPS knows to shut down the computer…that was the reason why i was thinking of plugging in my monitors — i thought i had to shut it down manually. cool, thank you for the help. i'll go to Officeworks & see if they can match price with Scorptec. they've been getting a fair few of my $ this year. wish they had one at Brisbane Northside.

            • geekcohen on 16/08/2024 - 15:20

              @MorningThief: Yeah, the USB connectivity will shut down your machine for you if the UPS battery gets low.

              But it is super helpful for those times your circuit trips or drops out. Mine last long enough that if there is an extensive power outage, I just fire up the generator, run some cables and I continue operating.

      • cybapete on 16/08/2024 - 12:03

        If you don't have the monitor plugged in it will go dark as soon as the power is cut

        how would you be able to save your work and shut down the computer if you can't see what you're doing?

        • rumblytangara on 16/08/2024 - 12:38

          UPS is typically used to power protect servers/NAS boxes.

          For a desktop PC with a connected monitor, it usually doesn't matter if you just suddenly lose power. If you're using Office, it'll be autosaving every X minutes (or constantly if you're using Office 365).

          Not much point protecting a normal desktop PC- if your house power goes down, you've lost your home network and internet anyway.

          • Frankensnore on 16/08/2024 - 13:40

            @rumblytangara: If i use this for nbn modem, that would make internet works still right?

            • rumblytangara on 16/08/2024 - 13:44

              @Frankensnore: Yeah, as long as it's not a big outage that's taken out the entire neighbourhood (I don't know if NBN infrastructure runs on separate power).

              In this sort of situation you might be better off running off a phone hotspot. Cell towers seem to be independent.

              And a laptop… bypassing the need for a UPS entirely.

            • adrianhughes1998 on 16/08/2024 - 15:32

              @Frankensnore: Should do. I use it for a 5G modem and run my other home security alarm and cameras off the Ups too, has helped in power outages aye

    • Pixie13 on 16/08/2024 - 09:29
      +4

      Yes and no. You need to plug in the usb cable from the ups to your computer and install the monitoring software in order to initiate a clean shut down. This is not intended to power your system, it's merely a means of gracefully power down your system in a power event and filtering out electrical noise.

    • ReaperX22 on 16/08/2024 - 09:30

      Yep pretty much. Ensure the UPS itself is direct plugged to the wall not a powerboard or anything and you're good to go!

      Generally speaking, modern computers rarely suffer from major issues from the odd power outage, but it always helps to have a UPS. I've got 2, an older one that's just powering my modem/router and wireless AP via a PoE switch, and a newer one powering a bigger switch, NAS, and optiplex (proxmox box/pihole). I used to have it for my PC itself but didn't really find the need.. Though some UPS's also help regulate power/stop issues with brown-outs and better surge protection but check per model to what's available. (Line Interactive help correct dodgy power signals sorta.. I'm not an electrician so just going off what my understanding is)

    • ImpulsePie on 16/08/2024 - 09:33

      Very much just plug and play. Think of it as just a small powerboard with a big battery and an alarm in it. The more you have plugged in drawing large amounts of power, the shorter the battery runtime (at the full 100% load of 720w it will only give you about 4 mins) but if you just need it for a few mins to safely shut everything off to avoid data loss, it'll do the job.

      But it also gives you more power-user options of connecting the USB to a computer or NAS (say a R Pi or something) that can then alert you via email, SMS etc. and do stuff like SSH into other machines and gracefully shut them down, if you have any home servers and whatnot.

  • atlas on 16/08/2024 - 09:21

    Thanks for sharing!

  • 5kbjvb3o on 16/08/2024 - 09:26

    I've been looking at the Eaton 3S600AU for around $140. It's lower capacity, so depends what you need.

    https://www.megabuy.com.au/eaton-3s-600va-360w-standby-power…

    • geekcohen on 16/08/2024 - 09:30

      That doesn't have AVR like the UPS has.

  • atlas on 16/08/2024 - 09:52

    Anyone know if this can trigger a shutdown of a Synology NAS?

    • philotex on 16/08/2024 - 09:55
      +2

      Yup, have one and it can.

      • atlas on 16/08/2024 - 16:40

        Excellent thanks

    • ImpulsePie on 16/08/2024 - 09:57
      +1

      Synology has a built in USB UPS feature, works on this model UPS and others listed here: https://www.synology.com/en-us/compatibility?search_by=categ…

      With the Synology NAS also acting as a network UPS server, you can have other machines (or services like Home Assistant) listen to it as clients and also shut themselves or other machines down with automations when they see the battery is getting low

      • senectus on 16/08/2024 - 10:15

        what? This is new to me… nice idea, whats is this called where can i find details about it?

        • StingyBritches on 16/08/2024 - 10:39

          DSM: Control Panel -> Hardware & Power -> UPS

          If you have more than one Synology NAS on your network, you can also use ‘Enable network UPS server’ to protect them as well!

    • senectus on 16/08/2024 - 10:14
      +1

      yup, I have one plugged into my DS920+. Its just detected it and self configured

  • metalhead on 16/08/2024 - 11:03

    Does this have a built in fan that runs all the time?

    I was going to use it on a NAS that is in the corner of a bedroom. So need something that is not noisy when running.

    Thank you

    • StingyBritches on 16/08/2024 - 11:06

      My UPS sits about 60CM from me on a desk - never heard any noise from it.

    • ImpulsePie on 16/08/2024 - 11:10
      +1

      It's pretty much perfectly silent unless running on battery, which I tested yesterday by unplugging the mains, in which case there's a bit of a buzzing

  • finger on 16/08/2024 - 12:20

    Doesn't beep uncontrollably when on battery? I had an old Eaton on and if we lost power during the night it was like a fire alarm and would wake everyone up

    • stumo on 16/08/2024 - 12:29
      +2

      Its configurable.

  • stumo on 16/08/2024 - 12:30

    I've had this for about a year for my WFH setup. Its been pretty much faultless.

    • boomramada on 16/08/2024 - 13:22

      How many power dropouts did you experience over that time? lol

      • stumo on 16/08/2024 - 13:25
        +1

        At least 20. We only have a 32A breaker on the whole house due to old wiring, so its easy to trip that if you turn on a bunch of high power stuff all at once.

        I have 2 of these and keep the NBN modem router and switches all running on one, and my office networking gear and PC on another. So everything just keeps working during these short blackouts.

        • boomramada on 16/08/2024 - 17:29

          Damm, I haven't had that many drop out for decades and still considering one.

        • tmonkey on 17/08/2024 - 17:35

          I'm in a similar boat…we're in a 100+ year old house and have free power from Ovo from 11am to 2pm. At 11am the car starts charging, pool pump, dishwasher, washing machine and dryer all typically come on. Then my teen gets up and decides to make a cup of tea - that's usually what trips it. It's been a month on this plan and we're down to tripping it every couple of weeks now as we work what can and can't run at the same time.

          • stumo on 18/08/2024 - 18:24

            @tmonkey: Yep same here. OVO and teenagers don't mix well.

  • jong on 16/08/2024 - 13:04

    So I bought the 1600w model for my UnRaid server, and after two years we finally had a power failure. The lights went black for a second, my desktop PC which is not on a UPS but apparently has a heroic array of capacitors stayed up…. and the UnRaid server dropped unexpectedly.

    Yes, I have checked that it was plugged into a "protected" port, and that NUT is working. It was only for a second or so which is why my desktop stayed up; but even so my "protected" server wasn't.

    • Grish on 16/08/2024 - 13:22
      +2

      Dead battery?

      Also, usually you don't wait (2 years, lol) for an outage to test it, you just yank the plug :)

      • jong on 16/08/2024 - 13:24

        It's claiming it still has 64 minutes runtime left, as of this second.
        I would expect it to notice if the battery was dead.

        • stumo on 16/08/2024 - 13:29

          Its 1600 VA not W. How much power area you drawing from it?

          • jong on 16/08/2024 - 13:31

            @stumo: You can figure that out from the runtime, but still….

            NUT says I'm pulling 144 W (15 %), and the outage was for a second or so.

            I'm not impressed.

            • StingyBritches on 16/08/2024 - 13:33

              @jong: Sounds like you need to test it…

              • jong on 16/08/2024 - 13:36

                @StingyBritches: It sounds like the first time I tested it, it failed.

                Also, I'm assuming whatever hardware they have that talks to NUT is sane.

                Otherwise, what you're saying is, not only is the battery shot, but the monitoring hardware is too - which is a couple too many failures in a UPS.

                • sssx on 16/08/2024 - 17:15
                  +1

                  @jong: From a tiny bit of reading I've done in the past, it seems the batteries don't last much longer than 2 years. Which always puts me off spending a couple hundred for a consumable that may only help for a couple seconds a year.

                  • StingyBritches on 16/08/2024 - 17:33

                    @sssx: No. My UPS is 4.5 years old and the battery still shows 100%. I had a brief blackout a couple of weeks ago and everything stayed up fine - including a monitor.

    • ImpulsePie on 16/08/2024 - 15:10

      That's a shame, sounds like a dead/dying battery to me, not that it immediately reports as dead, but fails to output correct voltage under a load anymore. Seen it happen with plenty of mobile phones over the years. Their capacity says it's fine to a diagnostic (like 85% of original), but it's a voltage stability issue and they still randomly unexpectedly power off.

      They do say the batteries will last anywhere from 1-3 years, depending on usage. I would definitely at least run a self test and also download their Windows software and connect it up and see if it reports something that NUT doesn't.

    • philotex on 16/08/2024 - 16:52

      You absolutely need to do a pull-the-plug test every so often. Batteries also degrade without the system knowing. Also devices have different hold up tolerance, UPS switching isn't instant and bad power supplies with bad capacitors can't even tolerate the milliseconds gap during the the switch over to battery.

  • Grish on 16/08/2024 - 13:49
    +2

    The most useful thing a UPS did for me once was log my wall socket voltages, I discovered that the voltage was way above the AU 230-250V standard.

    Turns out a lot of the neighbourhood had been installing solar panels, reducing grid load. However, the electric company failed to adjust the local transformers, resulting in a 265v+ feed!

    I contacted them and they immediately fixed it, but it also explained why a bunch of my light bulbs had been blowing!

  • CyrusL on 16/08/2024 - 14:22
    +2

    Kind of a must have if you have a NAS / server at home…
    AUS power outage is just so often and unexpected.

  • kingmoron on 16/08/2024 - 14:51
    -2

    Will this be okay with unraid?

    • rumblytangara on 16/08/2024 - 15:01
      +2

      Will this be okay with unraid?

      You… clearly didn't read the OP.

  • atlas on 16/08/2024 - 16:41

    Thanks OP, picked up last one from Richmond VIC

  • Horacio on 16/08/2024 - 18:18
    +1

    I have an Eaton of roughly this capacity and to my surprise it pulls 20 watts continuously, even when there's absolutely nothing plugged in to it and the battery is fully charged. Something to consider cost-wise.

  • raging on 17/08/2024 - 13:37

    Picked up 2 from Altona. 1 left.

  • dan76n on 19/08/2024 - 09:12

    What size UPS would be suitable for a CCTV setup?

    • geekcohen on 21/08/2024 - 15:01
      +1

      Any size really. Just depends how long you want it to run for.

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