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Seems like a great deal considering its local stock and comes with dlc burrs
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[Price Error] Coffee Tech DF64 Gen2 White $549.90, Black $590 + $9.95 Shipping ($0 BNE C&C) @ Alternative Brewing
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Well well well, hello competiton. They recently listed a similar price one on eBay which mentions v3.2 so head scratch
I'd expect price drops of most single dose grinders due to the hype around the Mazzer Philos
It's 3x the price. Different category of interest.
Perhaps so but there is a cascading effect. It's more visible in the category above where a lot of niche zeros are hitting the 2nd hand market due to people upgrading. Getting a 2nd hand Niche for 750-800 compared with the DF64 - I know what I'd prefer.
Not sure why I'm being downvoted for a very mild opinion but hey, such is life
As someone who got a second hand Niche Zero for $600 about a year ago - they SLAP
DF64 G2 and Niche Z are two very different grinders, both in burr sets, workflow and aesthetic.
If you drink a lot of milk coffees or prefer the chocolatey notes, then the Niche's conical burrs are going to lean to that preference.
If you are after more clarity and acidity then the DF's flat burrs will be more suited to that flavour profile.
On looks, I personally prefer the look of the Niche (I'm not a fan of the DF64 styling and shape), but can't argue with the current pricing of the DF64 - very sharp for what it offers in the cup.
@fookos: "…then the Niche's conical burrs are going to lean to that preference."
Can anyone translate this into plain English for me? Thanks
@clandestino: There are lots of articles about the differences that flat v conical burrs can have on taste and body etc. Do a search online and that will give you a steer.
If still unsure just buy this - or any grinder you like - and learn from there.
@clandestino: Niche gives slightly more chocolatey notes, on average. In turn is probably better for slightly darker roasts compared to DF64 (excluding usability, workflow etc)
Literally the size of a coffee machine.
I’m wondering if this local stock comes with the plastic red or plastic white on/off buttons that’s shown in the stock image pics, which look a bit cheap and ugly in my opinion. The black DF64 I just bought last Friday when the Amazon.au $580 deal was posted that I received on Monday direct from the distributor come with a silver metal/stainless steel on/off button… Mine come with a black metal cup and collar too, not silver:
Wow, the stainless steel button looks much better, as does the black cup. Makes me feel glad that I ordered the Amazon deal now, if indeed this version ships with a plastic button.
@ j1nx - All of the DF64 gen 2 review and usage videos I’ve seen on YouTube have a plastic red or plastic white on/off button, so it definitely shipped originally with that style button. Agreed, I’m glad I ordered it from Amazon.au, and that the manufacturer has made some tweaks and revisions to the product, because what I received with stainless steel on/off button and black metal cup and collar with silver strip certainly looks more premium/higher quality than the original design. I should also probably check which burrs I received, the box said/had ticked standard stainless steel for the burrs, so I just assumed that’s what I was given, but wishful thinking maybe higher quality burrs were fitted too.
Maybe the Gen 1 had the plastic buttons?
Or is this a tweaked Gen 2 or something?@[Deactivated]: I see, not much to worry about them but from aesthetics the stainless button looks less cheap.
Mine arrived today and I was happy to see that it is the same model as yours. Black cup, stainless steel button.
The instructions mention the inclusion of a metal collar for the dosing cup, along with an included cleaning brush. My package did not arrive with either of these - did you notice they were missing as well?
@j1nx: Glad to hear you are happy with what you received. I still haven’t recheck the contents of the box, I didn’t come across the brush or the angled rubber part when I first unpacked it so I don’t believe I received them. I much prefer having the black collar part that I did receive, to place on top of the portafilter so there’s no overflow or spillage.
Did you receive an all black metal cup, or a metal black cup with the silver strip along the top rim like I did?
@[Deactivated]: I found the brush. It is wrapped up in the plastic packaging and the handle on it is white/transparent so it is very easy to miss. Hope you didn’t throw it away!
I messaged them about the collar, they have replaced it with a rubber half-rim that apparently they switched for the black collar because people were complaining that the collar would scratch the machine when grinding. Fair enough.
I already have a black dosing ring I have used for ages while WDT so I just pop that on, it’s shorter than the black collar you’d have got so no risk of scratching. I bought it from Amazon ages ago very cheap. Might be worth looking at if you find it’s at risk of scratching.
The cup I received is all black - it seems I have received a newer batch than yours still. Here’s what I received (excuse the crap photo): https://ibb.co/QXL3qhG
@j1nx: I’m not sure how and what they mean about the collar scratching the machine, the collar doesn’t come contact with the body of the grinder (so I don’t see how the collar has been scratching peoples machines), it only comes in contact with the metal dosing cup and portafilter, so surely what they mean is that some people have experienced the collar scratching the top of their dosing cup from screwing it on and off and their portafilters?
@[Deactivated]: Not sure, this is what they said:
“There are different batches, as some accessories was phased out for the new ones. All grinders come with tilting rubber instead of metal collar which kept scratching the cups and causing damage. Hence the metal collar was replaced out as people complain why it was scratching.”
@[Deactivated]: Those are handy, I picked up a dosing ring from ali for a few bucks..
Anyway why wouldn't you just email them and say didn't receive it.
Same - though my cup is all black and doesn’t have a seperate collar. It came with an angle rubber part that can tilt the cup towards the spout seemingly instead
Have you contacted them about the missing piece? I’m sure they’d be happy to send you the collar free of charge, and even maybe a different colour metal cup (either the silver one or the black one with the silver strip along the top edge/rim that I received if the one you received is all black) because in the pic in the product description it’s different to what you received, therefore the product doesn’t match the description and what you thought you were buying.
Out of interest did yours also come with the angled rubber part? Or only the black metal collar
@jjoker: I don’t believe mine did come with the angled rubber part, I didn’t come across it when unpacking it, I should probably double check the packaging just in case I missed it though.
See my comment above.
The June 2024 batch is "Accessories - Metal Cup and Collar and New Burrs, Metal Switch" per their website. I'd be surprised if Alternative Brewing have this batch.
I think they have it, if you look at their customers review photos from 1 week to 4 weeks ago
@shinig3mi - For the black model based on their latest review photo it has the metal/stainless steel switch/on/off button (although the photo isn’t extremely clear and great quality for examining this particular spot on the grinder), however for the last review pic from about a month ago for the white model it shows the customer received the white plastic switch/on/off button. The most recent black model review on their site that the customer received shows that they were provided with the silver metal cup and collar too, rather than the black metal cup with silver strip along the top rim that I received or completely black cup that another member said they received. At the moment since it’s obviously a recent product change and transition it’s going to be hit and miss with regards to what some customers receive depending where they order from.
Can this be used to grind pepper?
No, only herbs.
OK. thanks.
jv grinds his coffee with a Pepper Cannon
I'm a Pepper Snob…
I have a special grinder only for my pepper, it was also my first ever flat burr grinder back when I first started lol
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Damn, my order from DF64Coffee is already on the way. The DLC burrs would have been nice but ultimately on a home grinder the SS burrs will last its lifetime anyway. Killer deal.
Can always buy the dlc burrs separately as they are not that pricey. I have the dlc burrs and cast lab burrs. For the coffees that I make, the dlc burrs taste better.
Good to know, thank you. I’ll see how I go with the standard burrs and go from there.
Who would align those burrs?
You can align it yourself. I use small pieces of masking tape to get proper burr alignment. Make sure you get a good marker pen that is food safe and dark enough to see when you align the burrs, especially the DLC ones which are black, making it difficult to see the marker.
I've seen a YouTube review from a dedicated hardcore grinder channel (Toms Grinder Lab) and he said that the standard burrs made better espresso than the DLC ones. This made me regret getting mine with DLC early this year for $200 more than this deal.
I'm very happy with it otherwise.
Depends on your taste preferences. For me, I spent $$$$ getting those cast lab burrs, and then when using it realised that the DLC produced a taste that I preferred for my espressos. Pour overs and filtered coffee are better on the cast burrs, but my main drinks are espressos and milky espressos.
@Sleepycat3: Same here, mostly espressos with the occasional filter / pour over. Happy with my purchase overall.
wouldn't worry, the stock ones are fine (and apparently better for milk coffees).
As mentioned you could change out the burrs later (~$80 i think) on if you don't find the stock ones adequate.Personally the DF64V looks nicer and comes with the DLC burrs, the standard DF64 machines are actually quite big.
Any would be good though.
Grrr just bought a Varia last week because I couldn't get a white DF64 under $600
Good deal. Bought direct from DF64Coffee with the DLC burrs for $80 more. Hasn't even shipped yet.
Thanks OP. Ordered a white one. Very curious to see how it pairs with my BDB. I've been using the Smart Grinder Pro for a few years now, and with a single dose 3d printed attachment for one. Couldn't really faulty the BSG (aside for the grind not being super precise when jumping between filter, aeropress and espresso grinds) but would love to see what kind of difference it makes to my espresso.
I've been using the same setup, down to the white colour , but with pre-installed DLC burrs and love the espresso, although it's not very consistent in terms of the extraction . Overall though, excellent clarity and character without sacrificing the body.
The only issue is that in filter settings the dial gets loose and keeps moving from vibrations while it's grinding, so I have to hold it in place while it's working.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears this deal comes with the DLC burrs preinstalled as well?
Just saw that in the description - this is an incredible deal, almost half off the long-term price of local stock from Alternative Brewing and $200 less that what I paid for the imported version 😭
I used the BSG with the Oracle (I used it like a BDB, didn't use the integrated grinder much, my wife did though). And I had pushed my BDB so much to get a finer grind that I started getting wear on my conical burrs. After going DF64V, it was a world of change for espresso for me. You won't regret going for the DF64 as an upgrade to the BDB for espresso, except for filtered coffee where the BDB does a very good job!
I'm intrigued about your 3d printed single dose attachment for your smart grinder - can you share which one you're using?
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I am seriously considering a 2nd grinder, Eureka Mignon Specialita need to run for the money.
Dlc is on by default but the white color isn't what I wanted lol
Why do you need two ?
Because they can. I have 3.
I’m trying to hold back from this being #3!
One for blends, one for single-O
Not a fan of the Eureka's.
You can say, not your cup of coffee (tea) 😂
Why so
Love my Mignon Oro SD.
I also have the Specialita - if there was a similarly great deal for the DF + SSP burrs I’d be all over it, but from what I understand the jump from Specialita to DF (standard burrs) might not be a big enough improvement for me to justify it.
The organisation I work for just moved to a new office location that they spent over 1 year designing, each floor has a $4500-$6000 automated Dr. Coffee machine in the kitchen price varying depending on where you purchase the machine from (you don’t have to do anything except choose what type of coffee you want and then press one button), the coffee that these machines make aren’t overly fanatic quality… Sure for free it’s hard to complain, however my $900-$950 Breville dual boiler espresso machine and Breville Smart Grinder Pro produces much better quality coffee, the addition of this DF64 Gen 2 grinder to my home just makes the quality of the $5000+ machine at work taste even worse.
Yes, it's the automation that you really need for a workplace.
But remember
your breville doesnt have to make 250 coffees a day
the automated one will make it in 30 seconds (or less), meaning you are back at your desk 5 minutes quicker. Times that by 1000 employees and $5k per machine pays off in a day or two…
But, yes, those big automated machines arent rarely very good. They are there to meet a need not to be a great drink
TBH the ones at McCafe arent too bad, and they are fully automated. Business should just buy them (they are quite sizeable though)
As someone that likes quality coffee and when I’m not too lazy to make an additional latte to put in a coffee flask before I leave home for work, so far I have generally opted to drop into the cafe (that I feel sorry for because their business may not survive between us leaving and new tenants moving in early next year) at the bottom of the building the company moved from to still purchase coffee when I want one, rather than using the free new automatic $5000+ coffee machines at work.
Not only do the machines at work make substantially inferior coffee at 5 time the cost of what I own, these $5000+ machines at work haven’t been able to cope with the work load, almost each day there has been a different issue. Such as needing cleansing that general employees can’t do, the automated coffee machines require a password from the cleaning contractors or on a site managers for troubleshoot issues and maintaining them.
In early 2019 I started a new job in Kings Park in western Sydney, changing from a job in the Sydney CBD when I was spoiled for choice for coffee, it was definitely a hard transition, at the time in the industrial area in Kings Park there was fook all choice for coffee accept for McDonald’s. After 3-4 weeks of purchasing coffee from the McCafe at Kings Park, I couldn’t take it take it any longer, the coffee from there was absolutely horrible. I started making coffee at home more often, or went to the Blacktown CBD first before work to purchase coffee there, until about 6 months after starting the job when half decent coffee was finally available in Kings Park when a Piccolo Me store opened there.
Those automated ones are on a rental plan that includes the beans. Unfortunately, the beans are usually very low quality in order to make more profit. My office had 4 of these automated ones, which also had a bypass chute where you could pour in your own pre-ground coffee. I ground my single origin beans at home on my DF64V and brewed it in the auto machine. It was fine, the only thing that let the machine down is the way it frothed the milk and the slow introduction rate of the milk into the cup, which caused the milk layer to stay on the top and coffee on the bottom.
Need a deal for DF54, 64 gen2 seems a tad too big.
The df54 was on Amazon for $344 around prime day from df64 coffee with $30 cashback, but I think stock was quite limited and it sold out soon after I bought it. Hopefully will be back soon
Cool, how are you liking it so far?
I upgraded from the SGP - it took a while to get the SGP dialled in to where I liked it but the DF54 is way more consistent. The DF54 grinds a bit slower, but the taste is worth it
@johndoe: Amazes me how manufacturers can get it right, in short of spending 1500$. Too loud, too slow, burrs need upgrading, this and that..
Only niggles but still not close to perfect for 600$ lol.
@G-rig: Yeah, as a student a few years ago I got the SGP for $150, which was a luxury for me. At that time I'd scoff at the idea of more than $300 on a grinder that isn't perfect in every way
I'm very satisfied using the DF54, but like with any hobby there's diminishing returns. Some people gladly spend double just to get a 5% improvement in workflow@johndoe: yep, the law of diminishing returns is very strong for grinders and coffee machines. Same could be said for home hi-fi as well i guess.
Decided not to bother, my EM0480 is still good and it's more about the overall techniques & fresh beans, the WDT tool has really helped instead of shelling out on an expensive grinder. We need something like the DF64 but for 300-400$ that's better than the SGP.
Look at the DF64V
Yeah I did, Don't need the variable speed myself though.
It looks ideal and has the other burrs and smaller footprint but shame a fair bit more expensive.
@G-rig: Yes I dont know how D64g2 can be so much bigger given the same-sized burrs. I don't need the VS in 64v and can foresee issues related to the control board in the long term. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpFyFhV-Ko8
@OzHan: Yeah all good, helps not to look up too much, you can find faults in everything.
Too hard after a while, just get pods or plunger haha.
Is it worth upgrading to this from Breville Smart Grinder Pro?
More importantly, will it help making a better tasting cup of espresso..?It is definitely worth upgrading. I went from Smart Grinder Pro to DF64 and the espresso I pull are 10x better.
You won't regret it.
10X better? Either they were undrinkable before or you are making not just a god cup, but a pantheon cup
Maybe some hyperbole, but the smart grinder couldn’t grind fine enough and is way more difficult to dial in.
I agree this would be a material upgrade.Do you usually make milk based espresso or filter?
I heard if making milk based espresso, it doesnt matter too much if the grinder cannot grind 'fine enough' vs if making filter coffee. Is that true?
@OzFrugie: Milk based, milk based you usually need finer than filter.
Thats not true if the grinds are too coarse the extraction time will be too quick - the coffee will taste sour.
If you wanted to make a Ristretto for example, you need to grinder much finer and 'choke' the machine almost.
Its also very bean dependant.
Match it to your beans. If your beans are super freshly roasted or a lighter roast from a specialty roaster, then yes, you will benefit from being able to grind finer on this flat burr grinder. But if you are usually darker roast beans, even ones that were recently roasted, your Smart Grinder Pro will still be able to handle it to give you a good grind for extraction. I had to adjust the fixed burr on the Smart Grinder Pro to go 1 step finer, but it ground my beans (Agro beans Columbian single origin) just fine. I also put a lighter roast through it and couldn't get a fine enough grind, finally resorting to overdosing my basket to slow down extraction. Not ideal, but the DF64 solved that issue.
I've been happy with my SGP for years and didn't think I needed another grinder until I saw this deal… Bought the white one!! I seriously need to get off OZB 😂
Ok so I couldn't sleep and ordered one lol But, I did some research, watched a couple of reviews. It's a solid grinder. Let's see which one stays.
Thanks for whoever gave me a 10$ referral bonus.
At this price you genuinely won’t get a better espresso grinder, enjoy!
Hmmmmm
So tempted, but I have a 1zpresso J-max to make predominantly milk based coffees. Not sure whether to take the leap as I read so much conflicting information online.
I'm in the same boat, got the j-max as I was travelling a lot so was easily portable. Now I'm not traveling and tempted by this.
I drink mostly black coffees though and wondering if this is a noticeable upgrade (convience aside).
Yeah it’s really tricky eh. I use an espresso machine and so the advice is a bit all over the place, while others even say that it would be hard to even tell a difference. I just don’t know.
I’d really love the convenience of not having to grind manually, but not sure if it would be an upgrade or downgrade.
Money is a bit tight at the moment so I will prob resist and stick with the hand grinder. I think bang for buck it is hard to beat, less noise, less bench space which our current rental really lacks already.
Bloody great deal though!
@souljah: Those are good but become too much effort I feel, nice if you enjoy the whole process though.
@souljah: yeah the bench space is an issue for me too.
It looks like the situation sorted itself out though because we missed out anyway 😂
@souljah: lol - these were my exact thoughts this morning. Been using an 1zpresso for a couple of years now. The grinder works great, but does get a little tedious when making multiple coffees for the family.
Almost jumped on this DF46 deal, but managed to convince myself otherwise due to limited funds and limited bench space. :)
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Amazing price!