Bought at $32.70 last time and it worked really well. Now with a 58% discount, $29.70 is a great deal for stocking up.
CamelCamelCamel.
Would assume it wouldn't last as long as coat from the shop
This is temporary. Without any sort of ceramic coating on your car, you might need to apply it every few months. A proper ceramic coating from a detailer is usually 5-7 years depending on what type of ceramic coating they using. It's a single application for that period of time as long as you look after it.
It will not be the same. It is a sealant. It is not a ceramic coating. The automotive detailing industry is widely unregulated. This product is not a ceramic coating in what the market has come to understand as one, but companies like this use these words to convince customers who are none the wiser.
This product will be fine for providing some protection but from performance, finishing look, durability and actual ability to bond and stay on the paint and provide real protection, you are comparing apples and oranges.
How do I know? I am a distributor for a major top tier brand.
Username checks out
How is this compared to the TurtleWax Hybrid Solution Ceramic Spray?
This is tackier on application.
Ease of application:
Meguiars
Turtle wax
This
I use this on our cars and like it. Works well. The effect wears off after a few months, but it does seem to keep a basic protection for longer than that.
Please beware of the deceptive marketing tactics. This is not a ceramic coating in the traditional sense. This is a spray sealant and will perform as such. If you are looking for a real improvement in finishing look, protection against contaminants and longevity, you will need to buy a REAL ceramic coating.
Look, I get that you have a vested interest to not like these products as it's bad for business. But you have you remember that this is a site for bargains.
Proper ceramic coating runs upwards of at least $1k+. I get that this is not the same thing, but it's also 30x cheaper and much more affordable for the general masses.
100% I never said this was a bad product, nor do I shamelessly plug the brand I represent. I have in fact never made an associated post (although maybe will someday lol) There are many great brands and products available. I was merely saying that I disagree with the choice of marketing by Mothers for this product. Many of the mainstream brands choose to go this route.
In the professional detailing industry, we have reached out to the ACCC trying to get some cooperation to clean up the industry, but they are not interested. You are comparing apples and oranges though. You are comparing a DIY sealant to a professionally installed ceramic/graphene coating. A true comparison is comparing a DIY sealant to a DIY coating. You can get a much better finish that lasts longer and provides significant protection improvements for only an additional $60. I don't think that's a huge amount extra to pay for the benefits a proper coating provides over a sealant.
Of course, there is the question of time. A sealant like this is much more user friendly which is highly attractive for many customers and a proper ceramic coating will perform best from proper paint preparation (decontamination and correction), or as a minimum, decon.
You can neg it only if you find a better deal - not because you are not a fan of their marketing.
@hashtagbargain: That's not how OzBargain works. Negging because you have an issue with the product is explicitly allowed under this section of the voting guidelines
In this case, ilikecars has an issue with the product advertising itself as a ceramic spray which traditionally costs significantly more and offers much better long term protection. If customers buy this ceramic spray expecting the same outcome as they would get from a detailer, they would be disappointed and I believe ilikecars has tried to save people from that disappointment
The case for it being an illegitimate use of a negative vote would actually be found here in the guidelines:
As the user has expressed they haven't ever tried to shill their brand or made an associated post, it would disappoint me if they were to have their account banned as a result of these comments trying to clarify the differences in ceramic coatings
@SpainKing: Thanks for pointing this out, I want aware it was potentially ban worthy. 100% my post was merely trying to provide an greater context about the words and marketing used in the industry so Ozb can make better buying decisions.
@SpainKing: He hasn't expressed a problem with the product per se. He's bulilt a straw man argument that only professionally applied ceramics coatings should be able to be marketed as ceramic, despite the fact that spray on ceramicm products essentially use the same SiO2 (+) /polymer bonding technology and have been widely embraced in the detailing industry for years. Anecdotally I haven't heard or read anyone else in the the industry complaining about misleading marketing of ceramic spray sealants. If you watch enough detailing videos you'll find plenty railing about the mythology associated with professionally applied ceramic coatings, and plenty which essentially say the advantages are largely about the time and effort involved primarily in preparation (including paint correction), but also in application.
@Igaf: Where did I say only professionally applied coatings should be able to market as true coatings?
I said products that are largely considered sealants should retain this branding legally and not try and capture buyers by associating with the better product category. I never said the coating had to be professional only. I even linked to one of Australia most popular consumer available coatings below.
Are you an industry professional?
@Ilikecars: You've negged the deal and claimed Mothers (and by implication numerous other branded ceramic sprays) is misleading consumers by marketing their product as ceramic. Obviously it is ceramic, although some ceramics may be better than others - eg organosilicon and ceramics containing tiny amounts of graphene. Your own particular take on what is and isn't ceramic coating seems not to be widespread. I applaud your efforts to take shonks in the detailing business to task but the fact that they prey on the myths surrounding ceramic coatings has nothing to do with this product/deal.
@Igaf: *I take issue with the words ceramic coatings, not ceramic.
So you are arguing with me about this because why? Because now people have more information about the product, product category and industry? Viewers of this page now have more information to make their buying decision. That is a negative how? It seems like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
Again, your knowledge in the industry seems rudimentary. Coatings containing organosilicon are not by nature better than other coatings, there are so many more variables at play - another myth spread by misinformed people. My own take, which is a take based on daily interactions with industry professionals, brand owners and regional industry leaders has led me to this conclusion.
You might wonder why you don't see this "take" discussed. How can you expect consumers to discuss something they may not be aware of? Hence, this type of concern comes from the top, down. From the people who are making products, from the people who are applying products, from the people who are selling products, and most importantly, from the people who are talking to end consumers and interacting with them on a daily basis and needing to re-educate consumers and bust the many misconceptions about our industry.
I take issue with the words ceramic coatings, not ceramic.
Nothing like gilding a lily, or polishing a turd as the saying goes. Just so you're aware, there are regular discussions on "car care" on Ozbargain, almost every time a detailing product deal is posted. Occasionally we even have the privilege of reading the experiences and practical wisdom of professional detailers, although a quick glance at your history suggests you've not participated previously. Strange that. Just a thought but Ozbargainers as you know are in general savvy consumers and possibly don't need the "re-education" you're so keen to provide.
A product such as the one you've negged in this deal - and anything used by ceramic "pros" - becomes a ceramic coating as soon as it's applied to a surface and not before. Would anyone expect the protection provided to match (possibly) multiple layered professionally applied ceramic coatings, which often claim to include proprietary chemicals? Maybe a handful in a hundred of those who haven't done any research or read the numerous comments from amateurs and pros on this website. IF that handful did similar paint prep and application to some pros then they probably wouldn't be too disappointed, unless they believed the anecdotal hype about years of ceramic protection with little maintenance required.
Coatings containing organosilicon are not by nature better than other coatings, there are so many more variables at play - another myth spread by misinformed people.
Obviously there are numerous factors involved, irrespective of the coating/sealant product used. As I suggested, the main factors are quality of the paint, preparation of surfaces, application of the product, and regular maintenance - depending on environmental factors, which vary hugely. Marketing (and likely at least some testing) suggests organosilicate chemicals such as polydimethylsiloxane are "revolutionary" because they're more flexible [than SiO2] but still very durable barriers. Perhaps you should take your organosilicon views up with those "misinformed" industry participants who promote their products?
I'll leave you with this observation. I'm sure we've all learned massively from your unbiased comments on this (non?)deal but since this is primarily a deals website, and given your numerous high-level contacts, in lieu of "re-education" the best way you could promote "professional ceramic coating" might be by negotiating a significant discount for your Ozbargain readers?
@Igaf: I still really don't understand why you so adamantly feel the need to take issue with me providing insights into the products and industry of automotive detailing. There is no downside to people having the insights I've provided. If you want to take them onboard to make better buying decisions, then you can. If you don't want to, then you can ignore the comments.
100%, I love the comments on deal posts, especially when it's on a product I'm interested in, but know little about, I often use Ozbargain comments as part of my research. As an ozbargainer and a commenter, I am providing that "generally savvy" insight into this product category, aimed at helping people who might be interested in buying detailing products to make better decisions. The one benefit I might have over some others commenting is that I live and breathe this industry every day, offering readers of my comments a possible insight they might not get elsewhere. Again, completely up to readers what they want to take on board and what they wish to ignore. If 1 or 2 people are helped into making more informed buying decisions or having their expectations correctly managed, then my comments have been successful. Again, why you are so offended by this is puzzling.
My point is that if you ask someone in the industry what a ceramic coating is, they will unanimously state what I have stated. The point is, the definition by industry standards is that a ceramic coating is not what this product is. You are literally having an argument on the technicalities of the definition of ceramic and stating that by virtue of being applied it is technically a coating. You are clawing at any and every angle to try and win this debate as if your life depended on it. It's okay to look at Ozbargain comments as say "Oh yeah, this individual might have some insights I didn't have access too or they raise some interesting points, I'll keep that in mind", or don't and move along. Just because you don't value from it doesn't mean others don't. I've had multiple PM's today asking for more information about detailing and products as a result of these insights.
I'm not here to have a debate with you about PDMS or sio2. Flagship coatings from my company utilize PDMS.
Yes, at some stage, you will likely see some favourable deals on items like ceramic/graphene coatings, sealants, towels etc. Ozbargain is a great community and I will look to provide where I can. Today was in the form of information that might help people, next time maybe it's a deal post.
I won't be responding to you again in this thread.
My point is that if you ask someone in the industry what a ceramic coating is, they will unanimously state what I have stated.
I agree. I seriously doubt anyone in the industry has problems differentiating between consumer products, professional detailing products, and professionally applied paint treatments though.
i'm not here to have a debate with you about PDMS or sio2. Flagship coatings from my company utilize PDMS.
Interesting that your flagship products are not by nature better than other coatings as we "uninformed" plebs might or might not have thought.
Moving on though I'm sure Ozbargainers will look forward to seeing and evaluating your products. Deal providers are the lifeblood of this website even if deals aren't for everyone.
Can you provide a link to the one that $60 more which you are referring to?
@Maloo: Possibly referring to the glass bottled style stuff that detailers use, although $90 would be very cheap stuff
Gyeon is the first brand that comes to mind but there are quite a few others
Not sure what you have asked the ACCC to clear up. You are suggesting there is deception but you have misunderstandings about SiO2.
This contains SiO2, the most common type of ceramic coating.
Ceramic coatings include sprays are types of sealants.
Some spray sealants offer 6+ months of protection before breaking down. It is great to have non professional options.
@4agte: Myself and other industry leaders have requested more regulation on manufacturers and professional detailers who use misleading and deceptive marketing. The industry is rife with cowboy detailers and white label coating manufacturers that have one goal - getting as many customers as possible. The average customer doesn't know the ins and outs of the detailing process and what's required to get long lasting results. For example, a major car detailing franchise was offering $99 graphene ceramic coatings.
After investigation, this turned out to be a spray sealant not dissimilar to this Mother's product. The product was rated with a higher durability claim however there was no paint decontamination or correction included in the price. This ultimately sets the "graphene ceramic coating" to fail as it's not applied to a surface that's adequately prepared, resulting in poor bonding and premature failure. In typical conditions it would last maybe 3-6 months, then would have a sour taste in customers mouth who now thinks ceramic/graphene coatings are snake oil.
Yes technically you are correct regarding sio2, and that is part of what we want regulated. If I had a drop of sio2 into a cup of water, is it now considered a ceramic coating? A ceramic or graphene coating by reputable automotive detailing brands, and by all industry professionals are considered to be applied by hand from small glass bottles (30-50ml), requiring certain steps (mentioned above) and being significantly more viscous. The industry knows all "ceramic spray coatings" or any ceramic coating that is in spray form to historically and accurately be referred to as a sealant or quick detailer. The only reason companies use "ceramic coating" "graphene coating" in their product name for products that are actually sealants, is to capitalize on misinformed buyers association with significantly higher grade products.
Edit: 100% agree with you, there is no problem with this product, just with what they want to call it and that is the basis for my posts, just so people are aware of the difference. There are plenty of good sealants on the market which are quick and easy and provide protection - they should not be called ceramic coatings though. You don't need professional products to get good results either.
One of the most popular products for DIY coatings is CarPro UK 3.0… This product is very popular in Australia (I am not associated with Carpro - they are infact a competitor).
I will make an associated post in the coming weeks. I don't want to mention the brand I represent in this thread for fear of being banned haha
I was about to say. Thank you. Guess ceramic coatings aren't worth it for me.
Amazon said ‘only 4 left in stock.’
I purchased one.
Amazon now says ‘only 5 left in stock.’
Dude, It's simple maths and marketing.
Yes, they added 2 more after your purchase, what's your point?
Both of our cars have been left out in the open over a number of years and the paint has started to fade and has become a rough surface. What should I try to do to minimise the paintwork in getting worse as it's starting to get surface rust. These are older cars and coming to the end of their lifespan but is there a cheap product to seal the surface?
You'd need to use a cut and polish potentially, assuming there is enough paint left to salvage. Otherwise it might get worse. You can't restore what isn't there.
Applying a ceramic coat is not complicated but the prep is..which is why most people use pros who do paint correction first and then a ceramic coating..so unless the paint is in pristine shape there is no point in spraying this product..IMHO
Why the negs?
I just googled and it seems like the right advice…
It is pretty simple to prep, i've used it on multiple cars for years. Lasts usually 3-6 months, even on older cars with beat up paint, it helps a lot in keeping it protected and easy to maintain.
It isn't useless if the paint isn't pristine.. Just like wax or any other protection, it is better than not having it.
Wash, clay bar, surface prep & apply. If the car is older, add a polish into the steps if needed.
And how long does it take you?
@cloudy: Depends on the vehicle's size and condition, but I would allow 2-3 hours to do all the steps if a polish isn't needed and longer if a polish is needed.
Small hatch is quicker than a large SUV.
Thats what I have been thinking and havent applied the turtle wax ceramic, because I am too lazy to polish… since 4 years. Had I applied, it would have atleast done some protection.
The polish is the more time consuming part, but once you have done it. Keep up with the protection every 3-6 months, and you won't have to polish again for a while.
The car is 4 years old?
Either way, it doesn't last forever & some protection is better than none.
The car is in 10 years old. I havent polished because it has some small paint chipped off on the bonnet in a few places. I got the correction paint, but havent found the time to correct it. Since I havent corrected the paint, I havent polished and hence havent applied the ceramic lol.
@John Doh: Yeah, i know what you mean, I've done both. I find that at least some type of protection against the elements is better than none, until you get around to applying the touch up paint.
How about this —> https://amzn.asia/d/04jPPl1J
I’m a big fan of Meguiar’s product. I’m planning to go to Star Car wash and right after they wash and dry I’ll spray this product and wipe it. Saving me $60 if I get them to do this.
What do you think?
Great stuff. Bought 2 from before and still using it.
It lasts about 3-5 months on my RAV4 2022.
I would like to consider a more expensive (+$60) ceramic coating but not sure which one to buy….
It's a tricky question because the next step up from a spray like this is more of a "proper" ceramic coating but when you're applying a proper ceramic there is far more to it than just washing the car and putting it on.
Normally would be wanting to:
- Wash
- Decon (iron remover, clay etc)
- Polish to remove at least light defects
- IPA wipe down
- Finally actually apply the ceramic
A pretty effective product from a cost/quality/beginner friendly perspective is Gyeon Can Coat, with membership is around $72 from repco but again if the above steps aren't be done i'd just stick to products like the mothers cmx.
I am happy to do the above steps. Many thanks for your help.
Any ideas on how long it will be effective for? IE when do I reapply it.
What's IPA wipedown?
Thanks!
Iso Propyl Alcohol otherwise known as Isopropanol. Like Metho it removes all moisture but leaves no residue when drying.
IPA is Isopropyl Alcohol based product to remove residue, lots of different brands have them often called a "prep spray".
Effective time is a hard one as it depends on elements the car/paint is exposed to, if it's garaged etc. I'd expect minimum a year but if a car is garaged and reasonably well looked after then 2 years+ may not be out of the question. When you've washed a car you'll normally see when it starts to lose it's hydrophobic (water repellent) properties and slickness so i'd say when that starts to go is when you'd consider doing it again. At this point though you can also just use a topping spray (something like this mothers cmx or gyeon wet coat) that will prolong the life too.
@mearkat7: Much thanks man. I think I will use the better option once I run out of my CMX. Interestingly the CMX lasts about 4-6 months before running out of oomph. I got a 5 L container of ISO from the last deal. I use a few drops of it in my wiper fluid but may have found another use for it!!
Care to drop some names of even more premium brands with better performance? I want to push the limits of ozbargain… ;)
Besides people may have shiny cars from the recent crazy discounts on cars. :)
@Naigrabzo: I'm quite the fan of gyeon, in my mind it's one of the more premium brands that's available often on sale at repco. They do have products outside the repco range but most of the more diy friendly stuff is stocked there.
Carpro and NV are both very solid and stocked on waxit, you'll get good sales there occasionally and often combo products that go well together. If you use a foam cannon the NV snow product is a favorite of mine, the 4L is $78.50 compared to 2L of something like bowdens snow job from supercheap for $62 and i'd argue it's a better product. Love the aquatouch big fella drying towel on there too, best towel i've used and is very reasonably priced.
Generally the best deals will be found in bulk so finding what you like and then buying in the larger quantities is what I try to do.
Awesome. Looking at this to purchase.
I was looking at this product to buy. Very easy to apply but can’t find it anywhere in Australia.
https://www.meguiars.com.au/product/ultimate-ceramic-coating…
Mate just bought this Gyeon Can Coat. Thanks a lot.
All good mate, hope it turns out aces.
My car is two years old with the usual wear from home/automated car washes. Do I need to polish the paint before using something like this?
never wash or clean my car exterior (I only do interior cleaning), more ugly means less hate and less keying.
I think the benefit of these spray on ceramic branded products is you can add this quite easily each wash rinse routine and seemly provide some additional protection. I use the meguairs ceramic hand application stuff once a year just before summer and the spray on ceramic stuff each wash. I am not looking for a nice finish, just for the protection side only. I don't ever use a clay bar or anything. Make be wrong but it seems to keep my paint nice. For me I'd rather do this than have a built up ceramic coating.
If you are using automatic washers, IMHO theres hardly any point trying to take care of paint. May as well not treat with any products at all. But if you turn over cars every 5-10 years or so, who cares, Enjoy the convenience.
I have a mettalic paint (RAV4 2022 in blue) and putting this mothers make it shine like there is no tomorrow. You get comments from people about the shine.
Hmm ok this one might be worth trying thanks for advice.
I already have a "pro applied ceramic coating" on mine, but I'm looking for something that'll give it a little protection or make it easier on the cleaning. Like the difference between when waxed and things still just wipe off the car, it's more akin to dusting than cleaning, maybe a squirt of detailer and it wipes off - but when the wax is worn off, things 'stick' and the time between needing a proper wash to clean it up is shortened.
where does this sit in the order of things? something else in that general price range?
It's best to speak to the shop who installed your coating as they will generally provide recommendations on maintenance topper products. In general though, a product like the one posted will be suitable for maintenance washes of most professionally applied ceramic coatings.
You should find that cleaning is pretty easy with a true ceramic coating applied to your vehicle and if you're keeping up with washes regularly, a majority of contamination and debris will be removed with a rinse. A quick detailer or sealant like this product is what most detailers will recommend being used at the conclusion of your maintenance wash. Some products also allow for spray on and rinse off application, which is really neat (albeit at the cost of longevity, but this doesn't matter if you spray it on every 2 weeks).
Again, best to speak to the detailer and maybe even the brand of coating they applied will have a recommended product to use already.
How well does this work compared to getting a ceramic coat done at a detailing shop?