eBay Scammers Trying to Justify Their Wrongs

Trops on 11/07/2024 - 00:47
Last edited 11/07/2024 - 10:02 by 1 other user

I was in the market to buy the Bluey 3 coin set collection.

Scouring through eBay I found a listing that was relatively competitive in price. When you read the description, the listing is selling PICTURES OF THE COIN SET (instead of the coins). The seller is obviously deceptive- I messaged him /her to call out the atrocious act.

This is the reply:

New message from: wawhe_37 (56BLUE_STAR Star)
I have spoken with eBay, and they are aware.

I am not scamming it is clear in detail what the item is.

I am tired of buyers thinking they have every right on eBay. It costs sellers so much.

Buyers should be aware and read the item description. It's clear as day what it says.

There is no deception. I have refunded many people, and I was told by eBay to stop issuing refunds as the buyers have made mistakes.

I have been thanked by members for what I am doing. I have stopped others from being scammed.

Half of eBay don't even read the item description, then make claims.

How dare you call me a scammer.

I am doing nothing but helping others who don't read item descriptions and are breaking eBay terms and conditions and use of service by doing so.

EBay is aware of this, and I have even spoken with the dispute team, and they have told me to challenge what claims have already been made as well.

Hopefully, this educates you as well a bit

Have a good night.

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    • FireRunner on 11/07/2024 - 07:46
      +5

      Unfortunately, the seller will always get away with it while ebay collects seller fees from the purchases.

      Doubtful, eBay almost always sides with the buyer.

      I think the only way this will work is if the seller convinces the buyer not to open a case or if they open the wrong case (like item didn’t arrive and then the seller provides the tracking number)

  • Earl of Lemongrab on 11/07/2024 - 01:44
    +11

    Further to the above, I'd expect the seller to have in bold something like.. "THIS IS A LISTING FOR PICTURES NOT THE PHYSICAL COINS"

    Just like back in the day scammers listing empty xbox boxes for $500

  • holdenmg on 11/07/2024 - 02:24
    +5

    There is an "Aftermarket" for Apple Boxes.

    This it particularly the case (lol) for people with iMac's because of the Odd shape and packaging.

    But really, nobody thinks they are buying an iMac.

    That said, these coin photos are a crude fraud and eBay are facilitating it by protecting these rogue sellers.

    Shame, eBay, shame!

    • FireRunner on 11/07/2024 - 07:53
      +17

      That said, these coin photos are a crude fraud and eBay are facilitating it by protecting these rogue sellers.

      Seller is lying about eBay siding with them. They’re trying to convince the buyer not to open a case/report them so they can get away with it.

      • holdenmg on 11/07/2024 - 10:42
        +6

        Yes, you are right. The seller is trying to embarrass the buyer into not complaining to eBay.

        What a business model.

  • Axelstrife on 11/07/2024 - 02:52
    +10

    As an eBay seller "Half of eBay don't even read the item description, then make claims." i feel this so much, people are incredibly ignorant.

    I have two items very similar but they fit different models so i have in both the title, description and product image that says that it cannot be used for the other and still people constantly message me later claiming it doesnt fit.

    • Thrawn on 11/07/2024 - 13:54
      +8

      eBay interface for some years now purposely hides the item description.. especially on mobile app

      most buyers I suspect doesn't even realize it exists

  • follow on 11/07/2024 - 03:43
    +6

    if they weren't scamming, they'd put it in the title

  • Pikaloo on 11/07/2024 - 06:32
    +1

    They used the incorrect category if you're buying a photo, the price they're selling it for is $265 and they sold all 17 of these photos….

  • DingoBilly on 11/07/2024 - 06:45
    +7

    Lol person is a scammer and is trying to live with themselves through some bullshit justifications.

    "I have been thanked by members for what I am doing" - who the (profanity) would thank him for selling pictures of something in at attempt to scam lol?

    • gromit on 12/07/2024 - 22:12

      They aren't trying to live with themselves. What they are doing is trying to look legit to the person so they are less likely to report them or follow up. Not Even the scumbags that run ebay find this practice acceptable.

  • Ughhh on 11/07/2024 - 06:54
    +1

    Wasnt there a similar thing on judge judy many years ago? Selling a picture of a phone instead of the actual phone.

    I get the sellers being pissed off, reading is definitely a hard skill to come by these days, still dodgy though.

  • Hardlyworkin on 11/07/2024 - 06:59
    +1

    Does what they are selling serve any purpose whatsoever? Who would want a photo of some coins?

  • djones145 on 11/07/2024 - 07:00
    +2

    it happens alot
    people sell the lights for a lego set instead if the set
    a case for pokemon boosters
    or the empty box ( some cases legit, like for ild games with manuals)

  • foxmulder on 11/07/2024 - 08:15
    +4

    Seller doesn't seem to sell anymore of the bluey thingy. He doesn't seem to sell anything similar either. His feedback doesn't show anything bluey.

    • Some Human on 11/07/2024 - 08:27
      +3

      You can still see it in their sold listings. Looks like they were scamming anzac coins, too.

      • foxmulder on 11/07/2024 - 11:29
        +7

        Ok I see it now. Listing was titled and most described for the actual coin set with just one text of picture only for sell. Obvious reason to scam. He sold it for $265? Poor soul who bought it.

        • foxmulder on 11/07/2024 - 20:17

          Item purchase history

          Recent purchases
          Username Buy It Now price Quantity Date of purchase
          ec AU $265.00 1 4 Jul 2024 at 15:10:56 AEST
          e          c AU $265.00 1 4 Jul 2024 at 13:10:00 AEST
          2c AU $265.00 1 4 Jul 2024 at 12:44:31 AEST
          4          4 AU $265.00 1 4 Jul 2024 at 11:25:33 AEST
          b2 AU $265.00 1 4 Jul 2024 at 10:01:32 AEST
          2          1 AU $265.00 2 4 Jul 2024 at 9:29:09 AEST
          d***f AU $265.00 1 3 Jul 2024 at 23:56:31 AEST

          Offer history
          Username Offer status Quantity Date of offer
          te Accepted 3 4 Jul 2024 at 17:08:46 AEST
          o          a Accepted 1 4 Jul 2024 at 15:34:32 AEST
          ig Accepted 1 4 Jul 2024 at 11:03:57 AEST
          j          j Accepted 1 4 Jul 2024 at 9:07:02 AEST
          1g Accepted 1 4 Jul 2024 at 7:54:47 AEST
          3          o Accepted 1 4 Jul 2024 at 6:19:15 AEST
          ss Accepted 1 3 Jul 2024 at 22:09:34 AEST
          m          r Declined 1 4 Jul 2024 at 14:36:25 AEST
          -***e Declined 1 4 Jul 2024 at 5:34:23 AEST

    • JIMB0 on 11/07/2024 - 09:39
      +5

      They have other items for local pickup. Send the bikies to collect an item.

  • Some Human on 11/07/2024 - 08:20
    +5

    This is really abhorrent behaviour from the scammer.
    Contact ebay and tell them about the scam. Explain to them how nobody would expect a photo of the item. Nobody. Tell them this seller is providing a horrible experience for buyers and has turned you off using the platform and recommending it to others.
    If they're not helpful, open an inad and say the photo had a huge tear on it and you don't want a replacement photo. Goid luck

  • roguescholar on 11/07/2024 - 09:06
    +3

    There is no deception.

    Ok, that sounds good…

    I have refunded many people,

    I see… interesting…

    and I was told by eBay to stop issuing refunds as the buyers have made mistakes.

    eBay said this to the scammer….?

    I have been thanked by members for what I am doing. I have stopped others from being scammed.

    Who are the members thanking this person??!??!!!??!!?

    • Forfiet on 12/07/2024 - 14:16
      +1

      I heard them thanking him ;P They were saying something like this…… "A Ebayer came up to him, A tough haggler, and said: ‘I want to thank you, Mr. Ebay man, for saving our the marketplace.’ And he had tears coming down his eyes,” The ebay seller said. “This wasn’t just a statement, because he had tears coming down. Unless he was a real wise guy. But he had tears coming down his eyes.”

  • Trops on 11/07/2024 - 09:17
    +16

    There you go guys. A fitting end to the story.

    From ebay:

    Thanks again for reporting the problematic content you found.

    What happened:
    We looked into your report and removed the content. It may take up to 24 hours for it to reflect on the site. This determination was made by a customer service agent.

    We let the content uploader know about this decision and the action taken. They may have the option to fix the content to make it visible again on site. They can also appeal our decision, and we'll review the case again and may reverse the original decision and action taken.

    • El cheepo on 11/07/2024 - 09:59
      +2

      Don’t forget to thank wawhe_37 😂

      • blitz on 11/07/2024 - 10:25
        +1

        Indeed, it was wawhe_37 on eBay who started all this!

  • Trops on 11/07/2024 - 10:18
    +13

    The drama continues……

    From Wawhe_37

    Oi.

    I have refunded so many.

    You can piss off.

    I am not responsible for a buyers actions.

    I am held to every rule, guideline, and condition, ebay has.

    Guess what? So do buyers.

    They also have guidelines..

    Buyers scam sellers all the time with standard postage.

    It's about time buyers felt the heat of what they do.

    Again, they are also.held to every rule and guideline.

    Also, the number of members I have had thank me for this is a lot more than those who have had a go at me. Blaming me for the choice they made.

    I revised the listing after someone like you reported it.

    But the listing is fine and does not go against any terms and conditions.

    Keep going, and I will report you for abuse.

    You literally have 0 idea about what you are talking about.

    You have 0 idea how many I have refunded and how many members I have helped from being scammed.

    Do not contact me again, or I will report you

    • Rukiata on 11/07/2024 - 10:29
      +5

      just report them and their listing.. move on.

    • freekay on 11/07/2024 - 11:32
      +3

      Absolute Scum. With a capital S.

    • SpainKing on 12/07/2024 - 15:48

      I'd be contacting eBay again about the seller's unprofessional and unsolicited messages, threatening you not to expose more of their scams. Is this really how they want their guidelines enforced?

      Also funny how him scamming supposedly helps other members not to get scammed. He didn't say he refunded every case, so it's obviously to make money and not spread awareness of these shenanigans

    • Cluster on 12/07/2024 - 20:02
      +1

      The eBayer obviously needs a lesson in logic and reason, two skills they completely lack.

      How do sellers scam buyers with standard postage? Unclear. Even if they do, how does that give this mega mind the excuse to scam people too? Obviously it doesn't.

      I would suggest that a feedback rating of 88% clearly states that many people are very unhappy with the seller, and are obviously not happy. Any rating below 97% is questionable. I've never seen a rating below 90% for an active member. I was annoyed when my rating fell to 99.5% when I encountered an extremely entitled customer.

      I would contact eBay and forward the messages to them. Keep all messages with the scammer factual and without emotion. It may be tempting to call them all sorts of names, but it'll undermine your case with eBay.

      Also, if you ever want to sell on eBay, I suggest adding the scammer's username to your banned buyers list. Some people are extremely petty and may want to take revenge well into the future.

  • Sammy2000 on 11/07/2024 - 10:18

    Was it a digital photo or a physical one?

  • pharkurnell on 11/07/2024 - 10:34
    +7

    Your new to Ebay arent you?

    This has been happening since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem

    • MS Paint on 11/07/2024 - 11:27
      +4

      Was that before Pontius was a pilot?

      • roguescholar on 11/07/2024 - 13:40
        +1

        No, he invented Pilates.

      • pharkurnell on 11/07/2024 - 17:16
        +1

        Na, I think it was Bwian…

    • Cluster on 12/07/2024 - 20:04
      +2

      He played for Jerusalem? Jesus never recovered after he went up for the cross.

  • JimB on 11/07/2024 - 10:34
    +28

    The other 'scam' I hate is when I search for say 'Lodge 12 inch cast frying pan'

    The listing shows buy it now it for $20.

    You go click into it and this listing has the option to buy a Lodge 12 inch cast frying pan for $99, Lodge 10 inch cast frying pan for $79, Lodge 8 inch cast frying pan for $89 and a random dildo for $20.

    • CrispyChrispy on 11/07/2024 - 11:19
      +12

      AliExpress sweating profusely

    • MS Paint on 11/07/2024 - 11:28
      +12

      Link please for $20 random dildo. Asking for Mrs Muzeeb.

      • JimB on 11/07/2024 - 12:02

        Sorry, I had another look and they replaced the dildo for a not-so-random fleshlight.

        The silicone fleshlight can be used over the hot cast iron handle.

        • MS Paint on 11/07/2024 - 12:10
          +11

          Still require the link. Asking for myself now.

  • Wiadro on 11/07/2024 - 12:06
    +2

    woah ebay being used to scam people,
    you must be new to the internet

    • MS Paint on 11/07/2024 - 12:12
      +2

      I'm guessing OP was so close to getting caught out by this listing that they took it personally.

      OP could spend 24/7 reporting dodgy listings on eBay and it would barely scratch the surface.

  • try2bhelpful on 11/07/2024 - 17:12

    Then this is this famous case about misrepresentation

    https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2001/08/13/hooters-waitress….

    Apparently she won the case.

    • GnarlyKnuckles on 12/07/2024 - 03:21
      -5

      Yo THB, re:

      'Apparently she won the case.'

      The case was settled.

      That is not the same as the person in question 'winning' the case. Were you genuinely unaware of that distinction? If you don't know the difference between those two things, perhaps it would be best if you did not comment on legal matters here henceforth.

      • try2bhelpful on 12/07/2024 - 12:06

        Lighten up dude. It was settled and she got the money so, by any real outcome definition, she won. I don’t know why you guys go straight into abuse mode.

        • GnarlyKnuckles on 12/07/2024 - 22:22

          When you say 'the money', what do you mean by that? How much money did she get? Do you even know, or are you playing fast and loose with your English, and ultimately making false representations based on your own subjective assumptions? The amount she got can not actually be disclosed/was never disclosed, so I can only assume the latter.

          • try2bhelpful on 12/07/2024 - 23:31

            @GnarlyKnuckles: Actually I did do some Googling on this. According to her lawyer she received enough money to buy whatever Toyota she wanted. See the article below.
            https://www.heraldnet.com/news/former-hooters-waitress-settl…

            Again you jump straight to abuse. I'm not playing fast or loose at all, I'm using the information I obtained by googling information on the article.

            Did you do any research yourself? You know what they say about people who assume

            • GnarlyKnuckles on 13/07/2024 - 17:17

              @try2bhelpful: I also read that article before posting here. You need to be careful not to read too much into what lawyers say. Her lawyer made a vague/generic statement about his client picking out whatever Toyota she wants. The lawyer may have made that vague remark simply for the benefit of his client/to enable her to 'save some face'. For all you know the 'settlement' was a token amount, plus her legal costs. You can't find out, because the settlement was undisclosed.

              In other news, the last time I set you straight on some basic facts TBH, it was erroneously deemed a 'personal attack' and I got banned for 3 days, despite the fact that during that exchange only one personal attack was levelled; at me, by you. I noted that you did not get banned for 3 days. Oddly, you seem to enjoy some sort of immunity here. Bizarro.

              • try2bhelpful on 14/07/2024 - 13:38

                @GnarlyKnuckles: I’m not the one doing the attacking you are. You could dispute what I’m saying without getting personal. The lawyer was part of the settlement and, despite your non substantiated comments, he is much more likely to know the settlement than you are. If you were banned for three days then your comments would, indeed, constitute an attack. I’ve been given warnings in the past but I learn to back off after a warning. Honestly mate I don’t know why you are so invested in this. I’m just giving an example where misrepresenting a prize resulted in the company getting in hot water. Bizarro indeed.

  • Cave Fire on 11/07/2024 - 18:26
    +1

    yeah, reported a guy for shill bidding on a couple of his auctions. no action taken and he made around $150 extra in a week? Found a few other picture/false item scams.

  • burningrage on 11/07/2024 - 18:36
    +1

    Reading the reply, I fear for Wawhe_37 mental state of being. Very sad.

  • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 11/07/2024 - 20:47

    what about all the fake products on there selling as real.
    one example is JBL products.
    last time I checked (I don't shop on ebay much anymore) they would use the first picture as the real JBL speaker, then you click to the 2nd picture and it's the same thing but with the L removed with editing. so it just says JB 😂 some kind of loop hole?

    also read a comment once saying they realised it was fake and how the seller offered them a refund IF they completely smashed and destroyed the speaker with a hammer then took a photo of it as proof. so basically getting them to destroy the evidence? 😂

    it's a common thing on socials by the way. lots of gen z shorts how to make quick money just buy them in bulk from alibaba and sell on ebay.

    • DemocracyManifest on 12/07/2024 - 19:44

      Yeah it’s that ‘drop shipping bs’

      • n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm on 12/07/2024 - 20:56

        yeah I dunno about the bs part but I know it's called dropshipping.

  • plmko on 11/07/2024 - 21:06
    +1

    The description argument doesn't really fly because the Ebay app doesn't reveal it unless you click on the small drop down link. All the buyer sees is the headline, the picture and the condition remark.

    By contractual law the seller would automatically lose.

  • jellykingdom on 12/07/2024 - 15:53

    Why the F would anyone want to buy photos of the coins…? Clear scammer

  • Randolph Duke on 12/07/2024 - 15:55

    Seller tried it here as well - https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/204867859405
    At least the negative feedback is still up and not removed by eBay

  • Cave Fire on 12/07/2024 - 16:04
    +1

    Think he's preying on people that can't read the ad properly eg elderly. A bit sick. Why would you want a printout of something collectible?

    • Cluster on 12/07/2024 - 20:16

      Indeed. It's a highly deceptive ad. eBay would be absolutely right to boot this scammer off their platform.

      • Cave Fire on 12/07/2024 - 20:22

        thing is they have a bunch of normal listings and sales with no issues. and also mixed in some scams… kind of wierd.

  • RefusdClassification on 12/07/2024 - 16:58
    -2

    As long as capitalism exists, people will try to make money off people by exploiting, extorting, stealing and fleecing them. It's called rent-seeking, profiting personally without contributing anything to society. It really is "the dung of the devil".

    When people contact me, I assume that they are trying to shake me down until they have proven otherwise. "What's in it for me" is how most people function in individualist societies. Individualism is making people miserable but they are too myopic to see it. People don't belong to themselves, they belong to God.

    Q. What is your only comfort in life and death?
    A. That I am not my own,
    but belong with body and soul,
    both in life and in death,
    to my faithful Savior, Jesus Christ." Heidelberg Catechism

    • Cluster on 13/07/2024 - 09:51
      +2

      You're mixing up several things and mashing them together. Capitalism is not rent seeking. One is trying to sell goods and services at a profit through private ownership, the other is inserting yourself into a business model and demanding people pay you money while you do nothing.

      Capitalism has always existed, and will always exist. What are the alternatives? Government owns everything (Communism), or a social group owns and runs the resources and services for themselves. But once you get to a certain population it becomes unwieldy.

      I sell items on eBay as a side hustle business on eBay. You could call me a capitalist as I privately own the products and reap the rewards of my work. I have never exploited, extorted, or stolen from anyone on the platform, and as a coin seller I was highly annoyed by the dodgy eBayer's actions at the center of this thread. That person is basically a scammer, bordering on a con artist.

  • Cluster on 12/07/2024 - 19:38

    This reminds me of the very early days of the Playstation 2. Absolutely impossible to buy them as scalpers had purchased all the stock. People were selling them on eBay, and one person sold the box (without contents) for hundreds of dollars. People thought they were buying an actual PS2.

    It's highly unethical and basically a scam.

    Same with this case. I sell coins and banknotes on eBay, and it really cheeses me off when people run scams like 'Oh! I was only selling a PICTURE of the coins!' It degrades the platform for everyone, and anyone who gets burned automatically assumes that eBay is all full of scams.

    There is no possible justification for charging for a picture of coins, and burying a weasel word in your listing to 'justify' the sale. None.
    Imagine if you had to go through life having to carefully read the T&Cs of everything you ever bought, because the ass that sold you the item slipped in a deliberately deceptive clause.

  • TheThoughtFraud on 12/07/2024 - 20:34
    +1

    Clearly deceptive. The title of the item and the majority of the description does not mention they are pictures and its clearly talking about the actual coins.

    Theres literally one sentence thats tagged on at the end which mentions it being pictures of the item.

    I doubt eBay would be protecting or encouraging this behaviour. TBH, this sort of deception should be grounds to get you thrown off the platform, or in the very least, a serious permanent flag against the account.

  • Morphio25 on 12/07/2024 - 21:47
    +1

    This is the one time we really need bikies, to go round and "sort this guy out". What an (profanity).

  • Rukiata on 12/07/2024 - 21:50

    this guy is getting away with it making bank. and idiots falling for it https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/204867849095

  • PopCounty on 12/07/2024 - 22:17

    Exactly the reason been making less purchases on eBay. They have lengthy process to get results out. And nothing they do to avoid scams. Shame on eBay.

  • Piranha2004 on 12/07/2024 - 22:20

    This is exactly like that Judge Judy case ages ago where the scammer tried to sell a photo of a phone. She got owned by Judge Judy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNS9LgSPFBc

  • Dan_ on 12/07/2024 - 23:38

    What a maggot. Ebay should release payment to them in Monopoly dollars.

  • ScottyDont on 13/07/2024 - 07:50

    I checked the sold listing of bluey coins, a real 3 coin set got over $800 just after release and some sellers have sold heaps

  • Viospeed on 18/07/2024 - 15:59
    +1

    "I have been thanked by members for what I am doing."

    Yeah sure you have.

  • Randolph Duke on 07/08/2024 - 16:20

    Maybe old mate lost access to his stock?

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/man-charged-over-theft-o…

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