Posting this car as even though it's a "mild" hybrid, a manual hybrid is unique and it's the only one I've ever seen. It's also efficient for the price and should not have as many quality issues as some other cheap cars with rapidly rising popularity.
3.8L/100km manual and 4.0L/100km auto.
1.2L engine.
Long running.
also, driving instructors will tell you not to coast in neutral (in a manual), as you are not in control of the vehicle
apparently this will switch off the engine when slowing below 12kmh: in a real hybrid you would still have the electric motor to power you before the engine kicks on, should you need to get moving in a hurry. here do you have to twiddle your thumbs and wait for engine to start up again?
3.8L/100km though.That's pretty good
here do you have to twiddle your thumbs and wait for engine to start up again?
Well if you have ever driven a really really low powered car, it feels that way anyway….im looking at you Suzuki Swift (wasnt my car, but I had to take it to mechanics and it was scary as trying to accellerate and merge into highway speeds, it was such an anemic drive)
it's a 12V stop start system
Well, yes and no. It has no starter motor or alternator, so not a "conventional" stop/start system. Utilises an ISG, so technically it is a mild hybrid, even if the system is only 12V and not the usual 48V that other mild hybrids use.
Is my 2012 BMW X3 also mild hybrid for using start/stop and regenerative braking?
2kw battery? Ultra mild
No, it would be a 2kW “hybrid” electric motor. A battery would be measured in kWh or Ah (FWIW, it’s a 10Ah battery)
The hybrid motor @ 12v and having 2.3kW would have about as much power as a household high power vacuum cleaner.
2.3KW IS the power of the motor
So, exactly what I said, that kW rating was for the motor, not the battery…
In the case of a vacuum cleaner that pulls max load from a 10amp socket;
240v x 9.5a is 2300w… or, weirdly enough, 2.3kW
For this “hybrid”, it’s a 2.3kW motor, meaning at 12v, it would need to be pulling;
2300w / 12v = 192 amps.
2300w is 2300w. Doesn’t matter if I’m pulling it from 240v @ 9.5a, or 12v @ 192a, it’s the same.
So, yeah, my vacuum is 2.3kW ;) if anyone doesn’t understand electricity, it’s you.
As for your lawnmower example… the most common engine going around at the moment is the Briggs and Stratton 500 series. The 140cc variant has a hp rating of 3.75hp, or about 2.8kW. So, yeah.
@pegaxs: Just want to say that one of the biggest joys I have in reading online discussions is watching someone confidently mistaken getting comprehensively taken apart.
sat in a ignis the other day for a joke. well suprised to see there on the website i thought it was from 2006.
throwing hybrid on this is the same as tech companies throwing the term AI on everything
https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-suzuki-swift-hybrid-re…
on our 53km, hour-long preview drive, it only conserved 42ml of petrol compared to 2.37L consumed according to the trip computer – a saving of just 1.7 per cent.
However, the mild-hybrid system in the Suzuki Swift only runs at 12 volts, and the electric motor can only supply up to 2.3kW. That is about the same power delivered by two household food blenders.
Why can’t I get something like this in a pure EV…
And manual hybrid… very interesting way to do things.
self-charging electric motor and 12V lithium-ion battery
Hahaha… HOW many volts? It has a 10Ah capacity “hybrid” battery. This is a 0.12kWh capacity @ 12v. At full load, the hybrid system would run for about 16 mins.
You would get better performance hooking up a Ozito drill to the crank and using that… 😂🤣
Because making Swift a pure EV will add another $20K on top of its price ;p
I don’t think it would if they made it a shopping trolly, mum taxi.
I would certainly buy a Suzuki Swift EV for $39,990 over buying a GWM Ora for $36,990.
It is important to clarify;
There is a QLD Suzuki dedicated site, https://suzukiqld.com.au/build-my-suzuki-online-queensland/ making the price 'at least' $27,180 drive-away.
Stock availability will be around OCT I was told at the local Suzuki dealership and they had no manual 'on-site' for a test drive.
So QLD has different pricing and very limited availability.
Different importer.
Isn’t this RRP? According to this article the price has gone up from the last model
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2024-suzuki-swift-price-and-sp…
So… better off getting an MG3 for 25K driveaway??? Kidding….
Not a silly suggestion, I think both MG3 Hybrid and Swift Hybrid will be compared a lot in the near future.
was looking MG ZS for parents, but only 4 star safety rating. 25k budget.
Not sure what state you're in, but Haval Jolion is 26K driveaway in Vic. It is miles better than the MG ZS. Edit: Or pay 27K for the brand new 2024 Jolion refresh that was just released a few weeks ago.
I was passed by one of these the other day and it sounded like the entire front subframe was about to break loose
Sadly this is just Suzuki hyping up something because they lost 1/3 of their sales due to baleno being discontinued.
Swift market has always been females and refusal to release the swift and swift sport hybrid Australia for last 7 years until now is laughable.
Suzuki really need to put a little more money into their cars and put in a electronic brake motor across their range. Creates so much more storage space in the middle for all the tiny cars that they make.
The Swift also needs to have a centre armrest. Its really unacceptable to release a brand new model in 2024 and have customer's rocking it out in an interior that was considered standard in the 80's and 90's.
What? Get rid of the manual handbrake?
The Swift is a simple car mechanically and very light, that is why it is so durable and economical to run and own.
They shouldn’t stuff around with it like they have done with the hybrid, at least offer a normal version.
Its not a sports car so no it doesnt need a manual handbrake. And unlike a sports car, Suzuki is using it purely to save cost. Its hardly a hot hatch even if you stretch the imagination, especially with how the new model looks uglier than the outgoing model. The target market isnt drifting with a FF hatchback.
What I'm asking for is basically the equivalent to asking for central locking and powered windows/mirrors during the 2000's. It should be expected to have available on a newly launched model that will see them out to early 2030's.
"really need to put in an electronic brake?" It's a cheap low spec car, FFS!
Except its a $27,000 "cheap low spec". Small cars like these have next to zero storage space. Getting rid of the manual handbrake creates at least a little more storage whilst being easier to maintain and service in the future.
Zero storage is total exaggeration, I have a Yaris Hybrid which isn't much different. And a manual handbrake is one of the most reliable and simplest components in a car. I've never heard of any repairs or recalls related to those conversely I have heard of heaps of e-Brake recalls due to the faulty behavior. Subaru just a big one not too long ago where the car could roll away and the thing is you wouldn't know because you can't tell what's happening with an e-Brake.
@plmko: When a manual handbrake cables becomes stretched or corroded, you're in for a much more annoying service than your typical e-brake.
You havent heard of it but doesn't mean it wont happen. I pay attention to it simply because I had it happen to me on a mid 2000's Corolla with a cable that was stretched and created a lot of noise everytime you entered.
Nobody pay attention about things like this until you get the heavy quote from the mechanics to fix the issue. E-brakes are a godsend to everyone, additional features like auto off and brake hold as well as a much easier job for mechanics.
Also you should look at the interior of the Swift before you comment. The cupholders cannot hold anything normal sized and tell me where you can put your sunnies other than having to use the glove box or the open door bin.
Wow I remember when these were 15k drive away they are a rip now
I am a big fan of the Swift, in fact I own one, but this Mild Hybrid is a stupid pointless design in my opinion.
It adds complication, cost and maintenance to a model car known for its simplicity, light weight and extreme durability.
The Mild Hybrid system only marginally improves fuel economy, yet has expensive maintenance longer term. The hybrid system is driven by a belt, how long does that last? And the battery? It would be getting extreme cycling from empty to full constantly.
The system is simply pointless.
It uses a 12V 10Ah AGM lithium-ion battery for the mild hybrid system, this is a common battery size used in conventional stop/start systems that have been around for decades and costs around $200.
If I read the right document from Suzuki, they’re using a proprietary lithium-ion pack but for how small the battery pack is I doubt it will be that expensive to replace.
Your car’s alternator is driven by a belt, how long does that last? The integrated starter generator on this Swift is not black magic, it’s literally just an alternator and starter motor in one assembly.
I would say that Mitsubishi ASX offers better value for money at a similar price point
very old design now
The ASX drivetrain is very unrefined even when it was launched. Also there is no digital speed readout even though it has a reasonable sized lcd screen in the instrument cluster. I just drove a 2017 Kia Rio that has a readout. Driving with all of Australia's speed camera's and trigger happy highway patrols, a digital readout is a must have.
That was a face lift. Basic design is 14 years old
https://www.drive.com.au/news/mitsubishi-asx-successor-previ…
@King Tightarse: people got no idea what a 'face lift' is
its new lights blinkers interior trim etc.
its NOT a new platform, engine etc.
BUT saying that the ASX is a safe buy given its got 14yrs of parts and knowledge behind it
there's millions out there, they cant be wrong as long as you're ok with a stodgey 1.8 cvt shitty mini suv
with a stodgey 1.8 cvt
They have a 2.0L engine, but yeah, agree with everything else you said.
10 Years Factory Warranty plus 10 Years Capped Price Serving helps keep ownership cost under control
Surprised how quickly people have gotten used to such rip off pricing for a basic small car! This and every other small car should be no more than $15K drive away. Small cars priced as mid sized, mid sized priced as full sized sedans and full sized sedans now scratching 'so called' luxury car prices! Where is the collective outrage at such pricing?
How is this a bargain??
Agreed. I picked up a brand new 2017 Mitsubishi Lancer for $16.5k back in 2019.
Brand new 2 year old car?
yeah it sat on the lot for 2yrs which is not unexpected out of a lancer lol
cant spell 'mitsubishi' without 'shit'
Yep it was the final model of the Lancer and apparently Mitsubishi Australia ordered a lot more from the last production run as a result. Funnily enough, the same cars are going for more after putting on 50-75k kms.
All Suzuki models are reliable, high-quality, but underappreciated vehicles.
High-quality? Rented a Swift and it seems to have ice cream carton level interior plastics
Drove a Jimny too. That was quite good actually
I got a 2010 Swift manual to get my daughter used to driving manual, it's a wonderful car. I drive a Tucson 2020 and a Corolla 2016 as well, but I think Swift has better interior design, more agile handling, and better ergonomics than both of them.
I am kind of surprised you say that given you have a Corolla too. To me, the Corolla built quality and interior finish was obviously better. I just rent when traveling and end up with all sorts. I like the swift well enough but that interior feels cheap and basic
.Its good that you are teaching your daughter on a manual and also better than a car alarm.
Manual transmission = the best anti theft device
tbf the swift does look like an indian made garbage can inside:
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2024-suzuki-swift-g…?
see
but i mean that's what you get for $25k these days
all the base sub $30k cars look like trashed stores inside
Not looking forward to Suzuki Swift ubers ugh
Ah Suzuki Swift. Twas my first car ever. Bought one 2nd hand with 89k on the odometer but it never had any issues. Nice compact, fun to drive car. Very low maintenance and very reliable..
But this price is crazy. Not worth it.
This used to be the price of the Suzuki Swift Sport.
I want to get the manual version. I bet the young crooks cant drive manual cars.
a bit of a reach by Suzuki to call it a hybrid. it's a 12V stop start system