240,000 chickens to be slaughtered in bid to stop bird flu spread
SMH: 240,000 Chickens to Be Slaughtered in Bid to Stop Bird Flu Spread
whyisave on 20/06/2024 - 18:01
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It's not easily accessible on that link, because it's behind a paywall / subscription.
Besides, it's going to affect chicken and egg prices now, in Sydney.
Which price will incease first?
You got the hen, the chicken and the rooster.
The rooster goes with the chicken.
So, who's having sex with the hen?Depends on what came first !
Not if you search 'magnolia paywall'.
…for posterity's sake ;-)
source:
240,000 chickens to be slaughtered in bid to stop bird flu spread [4:21pm , Sydney Morning Herald]
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Bird flu has killed 8000 birds in just 48 hours
Wow that is wicked fast, I didn't know birds died that fast from bird flu.
@EightImmortals: Is every single farm affected? Would you like to wait until every poultry farm is infected, and the lifespan and quality of Australian chickens are shortened?
Would you like to wait till the majority of wild birds are dead too?If I was selling faulty/hazardous product, I would be mad too if the gov told me I couldn't sell it and make money anymore.
Does killing the chickens generate more money for the gov? If farmers have to raise egg and chicken prices, does the gov take the profits?
@Ughhh: I would like to know how many birds on each farm are affected. I would like to know what testing is being done, the last I heard they are using the highly dodgy PCR machine with the dial wound up to 11 like they did with covid. I would like to know why all the healthy birds are being killed instead of being allowed to pass their immunity on to their offspring. I would really love to hear from some actual chicken farmers on these issues and not media and government BS.
(I didn't neg you either BTW)
@EightImmortals: When you see green mould on some parts of a bread loaf, do you pick and eat one's without the green and/or remove the "good" ones and put with the new loaf, or do you throw the whole loaf in the bin?
@Ughhh: I'm sorry I thought we were talking about living animals and viruses? It' s hard to keep up sometimes.
@Ughhh: Obviously just pick the mould off the bit on of bread I'm going to eat, eat it, then throw the loaf back in the fridge.
No sarcasm at all.. Learn to use your immune system man. How's it any different to having eaten bread a day before the mould became visible?
@Assburg: Lol yuck. There are mould spores. The difference is the increased chance of getting sick.
Why don't you use your immune system and eat the mould?
Do you let your friends sneeze on your face too to improve your immune system? I hear it works.
I would like to know why all the healthy birds are being killed instead of being allowed to pass their immunity on to their offspring. I would really love to hear from some actual chicken farmers on these issues and not media and government BS.
(I am not a chicken farmer)
Quite sure not "all the healthy birds are being killed" as otherwise all the farmers would have to import new birds from overseas.
There are going to be plenty of chicks that will still be hatched. The difference will be that less of these chicks go into the discard pile to be left to die of exposure (ages back was talking to a friend whose family has a chicken farm, apparently this is what happens to the excess female chicks and practically all the male chicks).
@rumblytangara: Good point, I'll check into it further. Either way it will set egg production back as the farmers will need to wait until the new chicks get to laying age.
@EightImmortals: "scamdemic". I love how you types self identity yourselves so easily for us so we can avoid you
@coffeeinmyveins: I always wonder how their family arrange who has to sit next to him at Christmas lunch and other events (draw straws? A roster based on who has had the most "wake up sheeple" conversation time with him that year? "I had forty minutes on the Great Reset on the Long Weekend, that means I get a pass")
@Crow K: I have a family member who is a bit like this. It's best to just avoid those conversations and if they start heading that way, you just cut it off and change the topic entirely:
Me: I'm a bit sore today
Them: Probably that covid vaccine you had, did you kno…
Me: Anyway, mum this turkey is GREAT
@EightImmortals: The thing I find interesting about this is that it's popped up at farms in south-west Vic and now north-west Sydney but seemingly nowhere in between. I mean sure, maybe there aren't any chicken farms in between these two places as the crow flies but I find it strange there aren't any cases mentioned elsewhere (yet).
If it came from Antarctica like what I saw in the news I wonder if it's also prevalent in areas (e.g. the wilderness) where humans can't really see the bird populations, e.g. in the Otways or in the Blue Mountains. Kind of freaky to think that it could just be spreading willy nilly out there but we don't know about it because it's not localised at an egg farm!
Inb4 anyone calls me a conspiracy theorist, I'm just genuinely interested in how this virus spread and why these two places are the only places it seems to have popped up in Australia. Maybe I'll watch Contagion tonight, that's a good movie.
@Ghost47: In a nut shell. Wild birds get flu like people. Wild birds travel the globe. Wild birds follow fairly specific paths wild birds stop in for a free feed at a farm. Infect one chicken. Chicken infects all its friends. Farms are different to wild birds due to much denser populations. It can happen anywhere anytime.
@DarwinBoy: Right, that makes sense. I didn't know birds flew "fairly specific paths" but it makes sense now that it appears in Vic first then NSW since we're coming into winter and birds migrate north during winter? Wonder if there'll be cases in QLD popping up next.
@Ghost47: In Darwin we have a small section of very specific beach where birds come that have travelled from Siberia every year.
Its actually crazy thinking about it.
And birds can have one side of their brain sleep so it gets rest but they are able to continue to fly for days at a time.
Then there is the whole birds get flus that can infect people means even closing borders to people the birds are still coming and going.
I guess the chances of bad things happening to us super low but not great for our chicken flocks.@DarwinBoy: That's absolutely wild they've flown from Siberia. It's pretty amazing they can migrate halfway across the world using nothing but their own energy.
Then there is the whole birds get flus that can infect people means even closing borders to people the birds are still coming and going.
Yeah exactly, and I seriously doubt biosecurity would ever be able to prevent spread unless they have watchtowers and guns every 50 meters along the coastline lol.
I guess the chances of bad things happening to us super low but not great for our chicken flocks.
Yeah that's true. Interesting to think about this kind of thing.
@Ghost47: Unlike COVID, most mammals can contract bird flu, even those which lack the ACE 2 receptor. Like cows, whales, pigs, deer, camels…. Migratory birds are the main origin for a lot of these avian influenzas (Like the current antarctica outbreak because I don't see domestic farming of poultry in Antarctica being a huge risk), but I haven't seen anyone state that the virus in Australia is due to migratory birds. Just lots of papers warning it could theoretically happen.
While they have outbreaks every couple of years, this time around it appears a lot more visible. Whether that is due to the media, or naturally occurring (or unnatural), is yet to be seen.
Whatever it is, I won't trust the public's response to the news cycle. Sensationalism leading to fear and and in turn an overreaction by politicians and "experts". I don't think it's that unreasonable to see a scenario where the government overreacts and starts culling Australia's livestock as a "preventative" measure. It's not as if global organisations would take advantage of a medium sized outbreak, like some kind of Hegalian dialectic, to reduce the public's meat consumption, like they have wanted for the last decade. Nor does the government really care about farmers that much.
You thought the toilet paper shortage was bad, imagine a run on 3-star coles beef mince.
but I haven't seen anyone state that the virus in Australia is due to migratory birds. Just lots of papers warning it could theoretically happen.
I'm pretty sure I watched a news clip a few weeks ago about the Vic outbreak and they did postulate that the current outbreak could've been from birds migrating from Antarctica.
While they have outbreaks every couple of years, this time around it appears a lot more visible. Whether that is due to the media, or naturally occurring (or unnatural), is yet to be seen.
A very superficial google indicates it could be the worst outbreak we've ever experienced. I'm pretty sure outbreaks in the past 4-5 years have made the news but I can't remember much about them, this did seem to be less of an issue in previous years (or at least I didn't really pay attention to it in the news).
I don't think it's that unreasonable to see a scenario where the government overreacts and starts culling Australia's livestock as a "preventative" measure.
I certainly hope it doesn't get to that stage.
It's not as if global organisations would take advantage of a medium sized outbreak, like some kind of Hegalian dialectic, to reduce the public's meat consumption, like they have wanted for the last decade.
If there's people out there who have the will and power to control the population and tell them they can't eat meat then going around killing chickens in the guise of bird flu is the wrong way to go about it. Overpopulation is becoming a serious issue because it leads to high demand for energy, food, resources etc., if we want to keep our way of life as long as possible people need to start reducing their consumption of basically everything right now. Ain't gonna happen though lol.
You thought the toilet paper shortage was bad, imagine a run on 3-star coles beef mince.
I've thought about far worse things that would make a run on beef mince seem like a walk in the park.
@EightImmortals: A friend of mine in Taipei recently reported to me that in the space of 3 days both of her cats died of a cat flu (despite extensive vetinary intervention).
Most animals don't have immune systems resembling ours, especially if there's extensive domestication.
@Assburg: Indeed, there are several issues surrounding this latest thing and questions that need to be answered.
Yes, animals get sick and die, that is not in question.
But what if only one of your friends cats got sick, would she have then killed the other cat as well even though it was healthy? Because that's what is happening with most of the chickens and cows that have been slaughtered.
And then we have the FEAR based assumption that these diseases can naturally jump to humans, they can't. They can be made to of course, in labs, created by mad scientists as we saw with covid and others. Yet the media and other liars love to pump up the fear levels knowing that most people wont even bother to look into things to deeply themselves, and if they did, it wouldn't matter because the agenda is to disrupt the food supply, and , (of course) to get those injections into people, and so those things will happen anyway, regardless of facts (real)science or the truth of the matter.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/…
@EightImmortals: Thanks for replying. I think the challenge comes with balancing the risk.
In the case of chickens, it takes 6 weeks to raise them to egg-laying age… so it's not the end of eggs as we know it, and it's not like a seasonal crop has been uprooted and a farmer's livelihood now left hanging in the balance for an entire year.
While yes, COVID may be the product of a lab, that doesn't discount the fact that viruses can and do mutate naturally… lots of chickens with lots of virus cells, eventually the stars will line up and a single bird that's had a single flu mutation gets a worker mildly ill and we're lining up for more vaccines and having our borders shut down again.
So the balance is…6 weeks of bad business for farmers (guaranteed) vs up to 2-3 years of endless stuffing about for entire population (highly unlikely).. I'm personally glad the chickens are the ones taking the hit.
@Assburg: "While yes, COVID may be the product of a lab, that doesn't discount the fact that viruses can and do mutate naturally… lots of chickens with lots of virus cells, eventually the stars will line up and a single bird that's had a single flu mutation gets a worker mildly ill and we're lining up for more vaccines and having our borders shut down again."
IF that happens, then like covid, it wont be because of an alleged 'pandemic' where everyone is so sick they can't go to work or travel normally, it will be because government has interfered in it's incompetent (at best) but more likely malfeasant way again. I don't think that many people would be that gullible so close to the last scam for them to pull that on us again. But who knows, they are hyping a guy in Spain as having dies from bird flu when he didn't so maybe they will try it on again? I suspect this one might be purely an attack on the food supply with an accompanying vax campaign for those they can scare into taking it. Whether they try to for-medicate everyone again remains to be seen.
As for chicken taking 6 weeks to mature, maybe that's true but they are slaughtering cows (not in Australia yet I don't think) on the basis of the cows might have bird flu as well and it takes a good couple of years to raise a cow to slaughtering age.
@EightImmortals: Thats quite a claim you make there. That avian influenza cant 'naturally' infect people. Care to share a source or give us your credentials so we can scrutinise your credibility.
Because you are going against multiple credible sources that say it can, and that people have died from it.@DarwinBoy: A quick search on H5N1 gain of function research will be the way to go there champ.
This guy does a good summary, there are links in the article you can follow and it only scratches the surface of the subject but worth a read for those who are able.
https://www.arkmedic.info/p/one-flew-over-the-chickens-nest
The real question is, are you in total denial or just partial denial? This was from 5 years ago, I wonder what they have been doing for the last 5 years?
https://www.science.org/content/article/exclusive-controvers…
Controversial lab studies that modify bird flu viruses in ways that could make them more risky to humans will soon resume after being on hold for more than 4 years. ScienceInsider has learned that last year, a U.S. government review panel quietly approved experiments proposed by two labs that were previously considered so dangerous that federal officials had imposed an unusual top-down moratorium on such research.
One of the projects has already received funding from the National Institutes of Health's (NIH's) National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in Bethesda, Maryland, and will start in a few weeks; the other is awaiting funding.
In 2011, Fouchier and Kawaoka alarmed the world by revealing they had separately modified the deadly avian H5N1 influenza virus so that it spread between ferrets. Advocates of such gain of function (GOF) studies say they can help public health experts better understand how viruses might spread and plan for pandemics. But by enabling the bird virus to more easily spread among mammals, the experiments also raised fears that the pathogen could jump to humans. And critics of the work worried that such a souped-up virus could spark a pandemic if it escaped from a lab or was intentionally released by a bioterrorist. After extensive discussion about whether the two studies should even be published (they ultimately were) and a voluntary moratorium by the two labs, the experiments resumed in 2013 under new U.S. oversight rules.
And you didn't note your 'multiple 'credible' sources either.
Explains the shortage of eggs in supermarkets lately..
Coles limits egg purchases as bird flu spreads to a fifth Victorian farm [10 JUN 2024]
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-10/coles-egg-limit-bird-…
And your point is?
…to try find ways around the price rises, because this is a bargain-hunting site :-P
any ideas?
waiting for the stork eggs-change to open tomorrow morning
Buy chickens
Wait for egg shortage
Profit@87percent: The hens don't always lay eggs.
There are a few times in the year, spanning 1-2 months, when the hen will simply not produce any eggs.
Speaking from experience, keeping chickens.
@whyisave: I've got 5, unless they pick different times to stop laying Ive never had a period of no eggs.
We should learn how to lay eggs by our self… problem solved.
Technically we (at least females) can lay eggs but they are very teeny, teeeeeny tiny and so are very hard to fry up and eat. It is possible to do with the right equipment and it tastes absolutely delicious. Imagine a grain of salt hitting your tongue but with a lot more umami flavour, sort of like a really rich tonkotsu ramen broth.
The obvious solution is to buy and raise your own chickens, but tbh most people that do this find it costs the same as if you just bought eggs from supermarket anyway. Chickens take up a lot of space and eat a lot.
Godspeed
This is old news for Victorians.
Why the dramatic enlarged bolt text in the thread description? FFS.
All text on the internet is held in place with bolts
Why the dramatic enlarged bolt text in the thread description?
I think the mods turned the 'heading' into a URL, and revised the thread description.
Since OP has blames me for octopthorpegate, I might as well remove it.
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Thank you for clarifying this.
It makes complete sense to me.
What is a power user? Someone who could be a mod in the future?
Just ship them to KFC - their oil drenched coating will kill any pathogens
They don't have any stock of nuggets due to bird flu.
So how many nuggets can they yield from 240,000 chooks - a damn lot I would suggest (lol)
Is this true ?
Time for KFC to diversify.
I can supply them with both frozen duck and WA cooked lobsters.
I just called my mate colonel sanders he is having masive headaches
It was bound to happen here after a nasty outbreak in the Antarctic
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-21/bird-flu-mutation-rea…
Thanks for the laugh, it was almost as funny as people falling over dead from covid right in front of the camera. Can't believe people are falling for this crap again, after only 4 years.
This guy summarises it well.
A private government report obtained this week in response to questions over the decision to kill over 500,000 chickens in Victoria, Australia shows that the people making the decision had no verifiable evidence of a high risk infectious outbreak.
https://www.arkmedic.info/p/one-flew-over-the-chickens-nest
"Well of course Australia’s national broadcaster the ABC is one step ahead of you there with this amazingly clever prebunking video including CNN-level “dead-birds-in-a-row” staged dead bird carnage images, to really make you think it’s bad out there. And if you REALLY aren’t sure how DEADLY this is, we are not only going to show you dead pelicans lined up on snow but WE ARE GOING TO PUT 100 MILLION KILLED IN RED - and make it look like the COVID dashboard.
And, not wanting to point out the obvious or anything but getting bird flu from Antarctica is not that easy. You see the major migration patterns of birds don’t really include a pathway from Antarctica to Australia. Penguins are birds, in case you didn’t know. They can fly but only in the fluid medium of water (most birds fly in the fluid medium of water vapour, i.e. air). So they could make it to the south coast of Australia to drop their bird flu droppings - but not much further without a long walk. And if you saw a family of penguins on the road to Geelong I’m pretty sure you would have seen it in the news."
Much more common sense and evidence at the link.
New World Next Week covered this (globally) last week it's the first story: https://corbettreport.com/nwnw558/
And then there's this: The Latest “Bird Flu” Death Is “Covid” All Over Again
https://off-guardian.org/2024/06/06/the-latest-bird-flu-deat…Medical Industrial Complex Hypes Next Scamdemic
https://rumble.com/v50ojsr-medical-industrial-complex-hypes-…And this (of course) : EU to Secure 40 Million Avian Flu Vaccines for 15 Countries
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/…Good grief, how can people fall for it again?
Thanks for the laugh
Good grief, how can people fall for it again?Why is this so funny?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/mms.13101And you are concerned that the seals might make it to mainland Australian chicken farms?
Orchestrated by Big
PharmaBird apparently.Haha,…I keep picturing that tall yellow bird.
Sigh
Looks like i'll have to head down to KFC to help out.
https://www.arkmedic.info/p/one-flew-over-the-chickens-nest
Agree with the comment about hearing from the farmers themselves & what they make of it.
Personally, this doesn't surprise me in the least. It's the next stage in the ongoing destruction of humanity under the guise of "safety".
Conspiracy man linking to a conspiracy blog. Didn't realise you "did your research" on bird flu also. 😆
When it comes to the health of their birds, farmers should be allowed to use whatever method they prefer, without dictats from some bureaucratic agency.
Like adding Phenylarsonics to their feed?
$$$$$$@Ughhh: There are a lot of poisons added to food/livestock, making corporations rich, under the guise of safety. Again, I don't have an issue with farmers doing what they think is best for their business. If they want to use additives or have no choice, fine. But they shouldn't be forced to. And other holistic approaches should be encouraged.
On a side issue, it saddens me that synthetic vitamins are forcibly added to flour products, they call this "fortification". Sounds good right? Who wouldn't want their food "fortified" with extra vitamins & minerals that protect against malnourishment?
Ever stopped & considered what this says about the quality of the product in the first place? Like it lacked nutrients because of ravaged soil conditions, poor farming practices, the overuse of pesticides/herbicides?
In these times we live in, people have been conditioned to see evil as good, & good as evil.
@mrdean: If you're ok with this
Again, I don't have an issue with farmers doing what they think is best for their business. If they want to use additives or have no choice, fine.
You're basically okay-ing this
There are a lot of poisons added to food/livestock, making corporations rich, under the guise of safety.
Who do you think the chickens are sold to?
I don't have an issue with farmers doing what they think is best for their business
You're bascially ok with them poisoning you for money. Do you not see the contradiction? If corporation poisons you, you're mad, but if a farmer does it, you're fine with it. We could go back to Victorian times and let independent bakeries add chalk and Alum to bread make it heavier to earn more money, at the expense of your health.
It baffles me that you seem to think that only big corps are able to or interested in making money off doing dodgy things. I have no doubt that if you got sick off eating alum bread, you'd just blame vaccines.
Yes, the government is making a political play to control society by killing chickens and upsetting farmers as well as consumers.
Absolutely brilliant deduction, I don't think any sane person would have been able to do the same.
Next marvel blockbuster will the avengers fighting a terrorist group with plans to use chicken farms to subjugate the population.
Its so scary because its seemingly possible apparrbtly.
There's a guy that delivers live chickens here in Vic and he doesn't seem worried at all. We've got a guy that delivers eggs to us at work and he reckons prices are going to triple. I think it all depends on who you talk to.
What exactly would be the point of destroying humanity?
Control. Too many people allegedly. Resource allocation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21"The state of global equilibrium could be designed so that the basic material needs of each person on earth are satisfied and each person has an equal opportunity to realize his individual human potential."
Sounds good doesn't it? In order to build back better, things must be destroyed first.
SMH… oh Sydney Morning Herald.
I thought you were disappointed and shaking your head.
TIL SMH = Shake My Head
Under pressure from Green groups , environmental and animal welfare groups, poultry egg farmers were told to convert from caged birds to free range poultry. Free range birds are susceptible to native and other wild birds which carry the disease to the free range pastures.
Caged poultry farms are still around, but in the minority. Hens are in cages in air conditioned sheds, with no access for other birds. These growers will hopefully keep producing, and prevent extreme shortages.Do you have any evidence that the government ghouls wont massacre them as well?
No evidence. However all poultry are in secure sheds with no access to native or other birds outside.
Caged systems have been the dominant chicken layer system prior to the last decade or more. No trouble with exterior difficulties at that time.However all poultry are in secure sheds with no access to native or other birds outside.
That's for caged hens only, no? I thought free range chickens could actually wander around (even if the "range" is tiny) and as a result come into contact with other birds. At least that's certainly what I saw when I scanned the QR code which took me to the live feed on that free range egg carton once.
i dont really know what to say besides, "what a shame" but i dont really mean it because im not vegan and if this decision is good for the human race then thats all that i care about. anyway, chicken treat for dinner.
What about human flu? It's way more dangerous.
Good point I guess we better kill all the…….oh, wait….
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