I have secured a new lease, going from shared room to a 2bedroom unit; we are going to furnish out the whole unit. I am looking for some good value, durable, dump, non-smart appliances to buy.
In your opinion, what brand is durable like a Toyota Camry? I feel like anything that is cheap and not LG/Samsung would do.
Have you had them all for <3 months?
Parents kit are from 2006. Mine are 2018.
love months long
That's a pointy penis
Agree. I've had good experiences with our LG fridge and microwave. Entry level Bosch is pretty decent too. We have an entry level Miele washing machine that washes well and can be had for ~1.2k. Not the cheapest in the market but an excellent machine without the bells and whistles that should last a decade plus.
Beko appears to be the Camry of whitegoods in Europe, though I don't have first hand experience.
We're not in the US and it wouldn't fly here. Not really relevant.
There's dirt to uncover on every single company if you want to look hard enough.
Completely agreed, stuff like that would not fly in Australia.
@Devastator0: they are having the same issues with the compressors here - the consumer protections are a bit better but lack much teeth, and it is difficult to get them to cover repairs of fridges just a few years old. Just went through it and managed to get a result via fair trading but it was a bit of work and had no luck with LG directly. My other experience with LG was a TV that died after 3 years (pre knowledge of ACCC protections) and LG would not cover. Wouldn't buy LG again.
Mum had an LG washing machine and LG microwave in the past 5 years that died within 2-3 years. They do make good TVs though, just wish they'd ditch WebOS
100% with LG. I have TV, Washing Maching, Microwave all from LG. Had a Samsung fridge and it died after 4 years. Please don't get Samsung fridge, better with Westinghouse or even Haier , their sister company.
Cheers
Whirlpool and Westinghouse. Rightly or wrongly they've been the brands I found were not made in China and had more than 12 month warranty.
But to be honest they all change their designs yearly, their factories every few years, or just resell someone else's products entirely.
It's pretty hard to generalise and say that one brand is better than another. You need to look at exact specific models.
All manufacturers and retailers intentionally make it very difficult.
Westinghouse is very much made overseas now.
Depends on the product. Many of their ovens still have the made in Australia claim… Although it could be more 'partially assembled in Australia'
https://www.westinghouse.com.au/cooking/ovens/wvep6918dd/
Westinghouse ovens are still made in Adelaide at Dudley Park.
@Benoffie: Sure are! And apart from the functions, they are the exact same ovens as Electrolux & AEG. We have an AEG and the electrician was like “this is exactly the same as Westinghouse” (apart from digital face and some functions - eg pyrolitic and meat probe)
@Benoffie: correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding it is mostly just "assembled in Australia" from lots of imported components.
@infinite: Stove tops are from overseas. Wire packs from overseas. Doors, panels, oven cavities all are made in SA.
Chef, Westinghouse and Electrolux all come from this plant.
@sobriety22: Most of the parts and components are made in Australia, that is just a fact. Some aren't, but the vast majority are.
Parents have had nothing but bad experiences with Whirlpool fridges. Parts and repairs are shocking.
Bosch is high on the list, Samsung is low on the list.
What I also usually consider when buying is length of warranty. To me it feels like if they offer a longer warranty they expect their product to last longer, plus if it doesn't, at least its covered.
Samsungs washers have lasted around the 5 year mark for me. Then little things go, but there are parts for them and if U tinker you can fix them cheap. Just fixed my mum's door lock in under an hour for 30 dollerydoos
Samsung front loader must be 15 years old. No problems so far.
I have fixed a few things on my Samsung front loader, it was 400 bucks about 15 years ago and yes parts are available. It's not the best built unit, in fact the spider replacement part was twice as thick as the one that it replaced, so it should last me twice as long now that it's fixed. It's annoying that the parts Samsung uses on their cheap washers sell the machines so short, but at least you can get spares, which is more than you can say for kogan and other no name brands
Do not get a Samsung dishwasher. The thing can clean baked lasagna off a tray, but can’t clean butter off a knife… and yes, I’ve checked the spinning things and oriented them in different ways and it’s still the same
+1 for Bosch (specifically ones made in Germany)
+1 for Bosch. Samsung makes good TVs, everything else I think I'd avoid.
Another vote for Bosch. Our first Bosch (German made one) washing machine lasted 15 years and only needed brushes replaced a couple of times and a small plastic part glued back together. The second, non-German one lasted about 8 years and was definitely lower quality but still decent.
I feel like it's not a case of 1 brand for everything
LG make good microwaves, TV's, unsure of the rest
Hisense make decent fridges
I feel like it's not a case of 1 brand for everything
This is the correct answer. Different brands are good at different things.
Fridge:
Mitsubishi or Hisense. Not LG or Samsung.
Dishwasher:
IMO, not Bosch. I've moved around a lot of rentals and Bosch break the most.
I like LG for this.
TV:
LG or Sony and not Samsung
Microwave:
Samsung are actually durable here. Panasonic too. (haven't looked into LG)
Washing Machine:
LG
Have experience in construction industry and do a lot of ordering, fitouts, etc
I've seen a lot of new builds do Bosch, Westinghouse, Smeg, Miele, Samsung, LG.
From them Bosch have had the highest enquiries regarding warranty due to faulty appliances.
I personally use a mix of Samsung and LG. My Samsung W/M rubber seal ripped a little after 5 years of use and leaks a little bit of water at the front when I wash it but still works fine. Fridge, TV, DW, Microwave all doing good.
could it be because bosch are in warranty for longer
Seal is about 5 mins to replace on most of them. Remove wire pull out put back in replace wire. Done it to mine and my mum's.
You can get a new boot seal for your washer door for about 30 bucks on eBay, it's a bit fiddly but you should be able to knock it off in an hour with little to no experience after watching a youtube
I've seen people also use a strong super glue to glue the tear together.
You could do that, in my case there was a piece missing. I saw some people online put some silicon sealant between two pieces of card and then wait a couple of days for it to dry and trim, but by the time you have mucked around with that, and then esp of it doesn't work, you may have well just spent 30 bucks
Get something cheap with max possible warranty.
Then insist on ACL replacement before it expires. Sell it in box for premium bucks and get a new one with warranty
Bosch. They essentially now do a "budget line" of products (Camry) and their premo German line (Landcruiser Sahara)
Bought a second hand LG fridge freezer, it's been faultless and survived 2 moves
LG is the Toyota Camry of white goods.
Westinghouse/Bosch.
Although they're probably closer to a reliable Euro.
is there such a thing?
I own a Camry, so know what you mean.
Here's my take on it. Most appliances come out of the same or similar Chinese factories so you want to buy best bang for buck.
Believe it or not, I've found some Kogan appliances pretty good - blender, air fryer, etc. Think of it as buying a Camry for a Yaris price. The most important thing is to read the reviews and buy it at or near the lowest price possible, which could be half or less than half the highest price. If you don't have the time or interest/ability to do this, buy another brand.
Camry for a Yaris price
You obviously haven't seen the latest price of a Yaris
I was going to say Mini price, but that would have been way out. So I'll add /metaphorically.
Agreed, there are some good surprises out there with Kogan. I still have a 10 year old Kogan microwave going strong that did it's first few years in a sharehouse (read: abused)
share house splatter shit everywhere and not clean up
I am not anti kogan, and I agree with most of what you said, when on sale their appliances are the cheapest around and they are similar to more expensive Chinese brands like hisense, midea, haier, which depending on the unit probably make them. The issue is if something goes Spares could be a nightmare to get
For small appliances no one does spares nowadays. It costs more to pay for and ship part, not to mention labour costs and minimum call out.
dump
Caroma make excellent toilets
Whichever one looks nicer aesthetically alongside your home's interior design.
dark grey/black french door fridges tho 😍
Hisense. Breville. Anko.
Mitsubishi Electric. It's not the cheapest brand but is rather reliable and somewhat fancy, just like a Toyota Camry. Unfortunately we only get the fridges and air conditioners here.
Best aircons according to productreview
Q: The Toyota Camry, Equivalence of White Good?
A: Yes that is correct. It is well known the Toyota Camry provides the boring automotive appliance for those who don't really want a car, but need to go places.
Make sure to get enough tissue boxes to put on each appliance.
And don’t you dare turn those headlights on at night either
Entry level Miele dishwasher and washing machine. They just keep going. Wait for Miele discounts.
My Westinghouse experience is that they are good for 5 years or so - oven, dishwasher.
just don't buy a Miele fridge they are rubbish and handles break within a year too
When companies branch out into new product lines this sort of thing seems to happen. The purchaser becomes the testing group for some years.
I reckon Japanese built Mitsi fridge are the go. Would need a very strong argument to get anything else. But I’d be very wary of a Mitsi washing machine…🤔
Mitsubishi Electric Fridges - made in Japan. And you get to pay the Toyota Tax too!
Miele D/W and W/M's (Only have experience with front loading)
Most of the Mitsubishi fridges are made in Thailand now. There's only one model from Japan.
The one with the longest warranty and cheapest prices. Used to be beko when they had 10 year warranty promotion.
And always buy from brick and mortar retailer so that you can go back there and make a fuss if they are giving you a hard time about warranty and repair claims.
30 years ago, they made it to last, but nowadays if they make it to last longer the company'd go bankruptcy.
fFalcon /s
I replaced my 15 year old LG dishwasher 3 years ago with a kogan model (it was brand new and free). So far so good.
Replaced my 18 year old LG front loader with heiar frontloader 4 years ago (near new and free). So far so good.
The LGs lasted well with heavy usage.
My westinghouse fridge is 12 years old and still going strong.
My 5 year old panasonic microwave has rust developing in its roof :(
Where are you getting your new appliances from?
How are you getting brand new fridge for free?
Hard rubbish or Facebook. When people move into a new house or overseas they'll often just give away large annoying items.
The kogan dishwasher came from a friend who had it installed in her pool house but it didnt/had never "worked". Kogan replaced it free and told my friend to dump it. She knew i fixed washing machines and gave it to me. The inlet valve was faulty i swapped it with the one from my broken LG dishwasher and it worked.
Haier front loader came from A 4 month old new build around the corner. It was sitting out front so i grabbed it. Hooked it up to the front tap and powered it on and it worked. Swapped it with my old machine and then it wouldnt work. Realised that pushing the machine under the bench had "crimped " the hose. Swapped it with a heavy duty hose and its been working since. Sold my old machine (a road side pick up with a blocked pump impeller blade) for $150.
Westinghouse fridge was a gift from my MIL. Long story.
Panasonic microwave was near new and "broken" on market place. Door switch had become detached internally. Some araldite sorted that.
I have a Westinghouse fridge and hate it, very noisy and gets suction stuck very often, would not recommend.
I have a Bosch washingmachine that is from 2015 and going strong, would recommend. obviously take all of this with a grain of salt as YMMV.
Also i'm pro logitech peripherals and against razer as all the razer things ive owned have had really gorgeous design/rgb, but simply failed to function properly over a long time.
The Toyota Camry equivalence of white goods = Base Tesla Model 3/Y equivalence of white goods.
I have a Hisense Fridge, Dishwasher and Front Loader, all have been the best I've ever owned of those products, although this may be because they are modern and brand new.
Were all about 40% cheaper than equivilent brands with better features and warranty.
Dump??
Miele dishwasher. They can get fancy, but the cheapest one with a stainless steel tub inside should do you well.
I'd avoid Fisher & Paykel, bought a top loader washing machine for my parents and it's died after about 10 years. Might be a fair amount of life but I would have wanted more life out of it. Appears that there is a very common mainboard issue with the one we bought and would have cost a few hundred to repair.
Looks like this.
https://www.fisherpaykel.com/dw/image/v2/BCJJ_PRD/on/demandw…
Those boards often die due to a faulty resistor. Cost about $1 in parts to repair. Otherwise reconditioned board can be bought for $50. Takes about 20 minutes to swap over.
I used to repair them as a hobby. Some would die from a board issue, others from a "suspension" issue.
I have a Fisher & Paykal top loader that was about 10+ years old when I got it, that was about 7 years ago and I have every intention of keeping it forever. So far it's me a grand total of $35 on a hose that broke when a doona caught it. There are fully detailed YouTube guides to fix anything on them and the most expensive part is $200 (mainboard, worse case)
Fridge, I have a Westinghouse that I bought 4 or 5 years ago. Was expensive around $2,500 but french door, freezer draws and plumbed water/ice - I honestly didn't have that much faith but it's still going strong - never had an issue.
Microwave, I'd aim for something 10+ years old. I had a 10 year old Panasonic that never missed a beat, but they don't make anything anymore as far as I know.
My advice is really just get 10+ year old stuff for pennies on Marketplace that is working and clean.
My grandparents have a lg top loading washing machine 15+ years of heavy using, the water pump broken but the others function still working.
Mitsubishi Electric refrigerator, and Smeg dishwasher, not cheap but very reliable.
LG is my go to brand for something reliable and durable.
Can't go wrong with a Kmart microwave, air fryer, toaster and water kettle. We bought an old LG fridge and a fisher & paykel top load washing machine from gumtree 8 years ago. Hasn't missed a beat but check it before buying as a lot of dodgy sellers now on the market.
Good advice.
I'm 3/5 from your list above but would be happy with the above.
Really want to get a Mitsubishi fridge for my new home, but it is quite pricey! You get what you pay for I suppose.
Get the one made in Thailand. They are still very good. Japanese made are very exy.
20 year old LG fridge still going strong.
The internal light has failed, but i cbf fixing that
those ones made in the 2000's were good
you wouldn't of happen to have the one with the French door where the freezer is a thin door and fridge is a bigger door would you?
not sure how well made these days
Nope. Freezer up top
would say LG too followed by samsung
For me, Panasonic has always been the brand that lasted. It's a shame because they never got as big as Sony - despite the quality being just as good if not better.
Toyota camry is a white good
LG washing machine. Our first washer lasted for more than 10 years with a lot of uses.
The answer would be LG for me. Rock solid in my experience. TV, fridge, freezer, washing machine, dishwasher, microwave all good and haven't had a single problem. YMMV.
I'm sure someone else will have had a different experience. I don't think there's any brand without detractors. Things fail.