Taylor Swift - Cultural Phenomenon, or over-Hyped Media Creation?

Is the "swiftie" adulation a result of talent, or something else?

In recent times she has thrown the RWNJ's in the USA into a frenzy, merely by suggesting eligible voters should register, and then vote.

More recently, the dopey Australian media has creamed its collective jeans over her arrival; the later arrival of her squeeze; her stepping out for fish and chips; her packed out "performances"; and finally her departure from our shores.

But now we have the current ASEAN meeting in Oz, thrown into an almighty tizzy by the fact that Singapore has signed her up for exclusive performances in the island state, much to the disdain of other regional leaders.

FFS!

Comments

            • @Eeples: Yes everything about her public image is calculated to appeal to young, immature, self-centered and easily manipulated girls. Her success is a testament to her nailing her target audience. That doesn't mean she's a positive influence or the rest of us have to like it.

    • +1

      Then you haven't listened to it properly. The stuff she's written in the last few years is very good and far from generic.

    • +1

      I had to have the lyrics explained to me by a swiftie but to her, there are albums where each song feels like it's exactly her own lived experience. I found that wild but I'm a cynical mid 30's married dude and the swiftie work mate is 21 and mercurial. If that's the way they feel about the music, it's no wonder there's obsession.

      I figured most obsessive fans listening to Taylor's music isn't looking for extended chords, odd time signatures or virtuosic guitar solos. They're enjoying Taylor blogging and I think she even adds clues into her songs and music videos so there's a reward for the fans for paying attention.

      • Exactly this. She connects with huge numbers of people because they have lived the experiences she sings about. Those dismissing her as a bland pop singer have clearly never listened to much of her music.

  • -1

    Dr grande has a good video on her. And yes, she’s overrated.

  • -1

    Taylor Swift is the greatest popstar in history, and her music will forever be the best

  • +1

    My 21 year old daughter is a massive Swiftie and was hysterical at the Sydney shows. I thought the atmosphere looked incredible and was a bit jealous not to have witnessed it first hand. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything quite like it.

    What she does is combine pop style tunes with lyrics that really connect with people (especially females) quite deeply and she does it very well indeed. Usually it's either deep connection with a niche following or happy clappy pop songs with little meaning that attract a larger audience. She combines the two to great effect.

    I'm not sure if OP has listened to her music, especially the way it has evolved over the last 5 years or so as she's got older, but don't underestimate her song writing. She has penned many fantastically written songs.

    I say all of this as someone that would never normally listen to this type of music. She's incredibly good at what she does.

  • Everyone's got difference in taste in music, but what I don't get is how deep people actually fall for these celebrities like going to their concert is a matter of life and death and all the screaming and yelling.

    Makes sense though when you consider people these days become obssessed with so called "influencers" on social media.

    • There’s a video of a girl went into a melt down outside of one of the concert venue. 😂😂 cant believe there are idiots like that

    • She's a long way above influencers in terms of talent and impact. Its not my kind of music either but she writes very good songs that connect with a huge audience. That doesn't happen by accident and is in fact extremely rare.

      • I'm not debating whether she's talented or not or whether her music is good. What I don't get is how anyone can get crazy enough about a celebrity to cry/scream and act like going to her concert is a matter of life and death. It's pretty pathetic in my view.

        • +2

          It's the deep connection her fans have to her lyrics. I was like this about certain bands in my youth and still sing those songs in the shower. But they never had the global following she has.

          If you've ever been passionate about anything, you would know it isn't pathetic. Whether its your team in a grand final, music or something else.

  • +3

    This is what happens as you get older.

    For me the first 'WTF' moment was Justin Bieber. Extremely overrated to me, but it is what it is.

    You slowly stop following pop music as you get older, and generally find what genre of music you like, and then follow that genre as you get older. Some people my age like hip hop, some rap, I personally love rock music. Just sucks that rock music is a dying genre compared to rap and hip hop, but it is what it is.

    Soon you'll realize that the majority of popular media is mostly targeted at kids and people under 30, as they consume anything and everything and have the energy to waste on it.

    Older people (30+) have more refined and specific tastes, so you don't hear about things they enjoy as much, as its a lot of smaller audiences. Popular doesn't always mean good to you, it just means a large cohort of people like it.

    • +2

      Bieber was never on the level Swift is now, few have ever been aside from the likes of the Beatles.

    • That is over generalisation. I am old now but I have always have specific taste even since I was young.
      And my taste is not about genre or artists. It's more of the song itself: most important is the main melody, second is the voice, and other things are last eg lyrics, style, arrangements, etc.
      There are some of very popular songs that I like, a lot that I don't, and there are some of the not-so-popular songs that I like too.
      So it is very hard for me to find songs that I like because it is all over the place and it's impossible to listen to all songs in the world..

  • I’ve banned my kids from listening to Taylor swift. Don’t want anything to do with that left wing woke propaganda machine

    • +4

      Banning it wants them more. One day you'll come home and you'll catch them gyrating with a rainbow flag while recycling their plastics!
      The trick is to get into it yourself. Study the life of a Swifty. Fully immerse yourself in it. Don't convert into one but pretend to be one. Then it'll look so uncool to your kids that they'll hate Taylor Swift.

      • Actually I’m already a swifty myself. I’m only banning them so they won’t steal my concert tickets.

        • You can't be a winner unless there's a loser. I love your mentality. I hope you bought three tickets anyway and just watched by yourself.

          • +1

            @tanguyen: I bought all 5 of them all for myself

            • @michaelTito: I would have heckled the whole night to hear Love Story, then when she plays it, go straight home.

              • @tanguyen: I’m a big fan. As big as the emission coming out from her private jet

                • @michaelTito: I still don't understand the left wing woke propoganda thing given that she's a coal roller with her private jet. Given her country roots, she should mod her private jet to look like a pick up truck then roll that coal.

                  • @tanguyen: Only boomers would understand the joke.

                  • +2

                    @tanguyen: Taylor Swift doesn't even speak about the environment and isn't known for being an environmentalist. It's literally just triggered right wing incels getting triggered about the environment over someone that isn't even known as an environmentalist.

                    She has to fly private cos she has radical psychos who follow and criticize her more than the swifties and think she's a psyop and follow her every move despite not even being fans of her (LOL)

                    In reality most people attending the concert just wanna have a good time and like the atmosphere of the 100k people.

                    michaelTito for example is more obsessed than almost everyone in this thread about Taylor. follows celeb gossip and obsessed about her more than anyone in this entire thread.

                    Rather follow and look up to billionaires that step on him while being a poor working class pleb 😆 ultra jelly about a successful singer that brings people joy while sucking the toes and licking the boots of his corporate overlords while being forever poor

                    • @takutox: am i obsess with taylor swift as much as youre obsess with me that you follow me around every thread.

                      • +1

                        @michaelTito: I'm not following anyone. This thread is literally trending on the front page of the ozbargain homepage.

                        You just happen to be in all top threads crying about some weird American politics (PSA: we are in Australia) regardless if it's a thread about Taylor or a deal on sponges

                        • @takutox: ok weirdo. 9 of you last 11 comments are to mine. even though i wasnt even talking to you. stop being creepy

                          • +2

                            @michaelTito:

                            claims other people are stalking him in a front page ozbargain thread then stalks other people's profiles and does a statistical analysis on comment ratio of which most are just responses to tags

                            keep up the laffs

                            • @takutox: did you write that all up yourself and then quoted yourself? aiyooo thats wild.

                              • @michaelTito: I used one > symbol and ozb auto turned it into quote (so it's just a one symbol that caused that formatting) Didn't even know that would happen but you respond so fast since you're so angry I couldn't edit LOL

                                • @takutox: dude i am 100% angry. i got a creepy dude following me around replying to my comment since 2 weeks ago. kinda scary if you think about it.

                                  • @michaelTito: u talking about my comments in this thread made 2 days ago that is trending front page ozbargain?

                                    I haven't even looked at your profile ever. you have looked at mine and analyzed my comment ratios. who's creepy again?

                                    • @takutox: yea i did looked at your profile because i was wondering who is this creepy dude that stalked me every comment i made on ozbargain. cringe

                                    • @takutox: youre the creepy one that replied to every single one of my comment even though i wasnt even talking to you. creep

                                      • @michaelTito: you have direct tagged me like 20 times and continue to

                                        • @takutox: i said stop. how do i block this person from checking my profile or replying to me

                                • @takutox: when you said replied so fast because of the anger, are you talking about yourself? did you really edited your comments because you typed so fast that it didnt look right?

                                  • @michaelTito: your intelligence is really lacking, I put a > symbol and ozbargain turns it into a quote. That's what I was trying to edit out. You were crying about something that I didn't even do intentionally and was just a single symbol 😆

                                    • @takutox: eww dude stop with the stalking seriously.

                                      • @michaelTito: as expected, my dude has no critical thought left and just devolves the convo to random name-calling. would expect such behavior from a child not a fully grown adult

                                        • @takutox: how did oyu know i was a child? did you stalk me outside of ozbargain too? damn bro thats hella scary

                                          • @michaelTito: like I said. You have been stalking my profile and talking about my comment ratio. I haven't even looked at yours. I'm actually the one creeped out if anything.

                                            • @takutox: ok then stop following me around and reply to any of my comments. you pedophile

                                              • @michaelTito: on the contrary, can you stop writing statistical papers about my comment ratio and nonstop tagging me 24/7.

                                                • @takutox: DUDE STOP IT! please leave me alone i dont like you

                                                  • @michaelTito: leaves 50 comments with direct tag to my username saying "STOP" while analyzing my profile history. 😂😆

                                                    • @takutox: can you please stop mentioning me in your comment. please admin how do i block this person

                                                    • @takutox: alright my dude you won this conversation. was nice chatting ya though im off to work now peace out

    • +1

      What have any of her songs got to do with politics? Absolute nonsense!

      • How dare you

      • +3

        Absolutely nothing. And this person clearly doesn't have kids or wife and is just roleplaying. Taylor simply pushes the message of female empowerment, mental health and doing the right thing.

        If you had a wife or kids that would be awesome right? If you're an incel of course you don't think it has any benefit to you.

        The only time you would have gripes if you've been brainwashed by right wing YouTube. He literally nonstop spamming this thread about climate change even though Taylor isn't even an environmentalist and maybe has spoken about it once in her 20 year career in passing.

        This is the unfortunate result of what happens when people are lonely and get brainwashed. Even a (profanity) deal about a sponge turns into incel politics you're regurgitating from YouTube

        • -5

          STOP REPLYING UNDER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY COMMENT. THIS IS WEIRD AF

          • @michaelTito: I'm having a discussion on a public forum and it's a trending thread on front page ozb. This is literally a comment under the same parent comment that wasn't even tagging you which you went out of your way to tag me

            For someone so big on no censorship you are really big on blocking and censorship and avoiding opinions that challenge yours

          • @michaelTito: They didn’t reply to you or use your name as a tag.

            Get a grip.

  • I think she is a great marketer, and has some songwriting talent backing that up.

    Her songs are kinda bland but have personal and relatable lyrics which makes them appealing. Her vocal talent is nothing special either.

    Personally I don’t get the hype, but she’s better than most megastars in terms of good examples to the younger generation, so I’m all good with it!

  • Media loves it. Easy clicks. Imagine if your job was just to write about a celebrity eating dinner and the tax payer funded you for it

  • Good Singer/songwriter. Still dont get the obsession. Not just with her but with anyone, people are good at things, why do celebrities who are good at some things get such a cult following where if you dont like that person people take it personally.
    Frankly its weird. I think people who obsess over someone they dont know because they have good songs are weirdos.

    • Welcome to the world of parasocial relationships. This has all to do with human psychology it's a bit harsh to be calling them Weirdos but there is a spectrum to this and as with any interest or hobby can sometimes cross into the unhealthy and abnormal.

  • -2

    songs like 'We are Never Ever Getting Back Together" can feel empowering for women

    but I have seen YouTube videos of such empowered women - leaving good husbands, proudly proclaiming online about their newfound 'freedom', then later crying online that they now feel so alone (as a 35-45yo single mum with kids - why aren't men wanting to marry me again?) and how come I suddenly have to pay all these bills I can't afford - it's NOT FAIR !!!

    empowered - until the unpaid bills company turns off the power …

    • +2

      Your whole rant just sounds like bitter incel talk lol. The fact you're even seeking out these online posts which I have never encountered is funny. Are you hate browsing on r/singledivorcedmomsstrugglinffinancially or something like that? LOL

      And how do you know they're good husbands if all you're reading is a random online post? Do you know their personal lives? Do you know their husbands? This whole thought process and your source being online posts just screams incel to me lol.

      I believe in free choice, if someone is empowering people to have free choice that's a good thing. Just like I'd say if you wanted to divorce your wife in an abusive relationship I'd encourage you to do so. Because you should feel empowered enough to do so.

  • +3

    Over hyped generic garbage

    • +1

      totally agree. shes as talented as a stray dog

  • +1

    Good luck to her. She’s clearly popular across many generations, religions & political persuasions.

    Of course people will want to cut her down. Many people feel threatened by someone who’s popular

  • +1

    I disagree with those saying she's not talented. She might not be a master of any one instrument but she's a competent musician. And you can't fault her work ethic.

    However…

    Some of her lyrics are just pure misandry. If a man sang similar about his exs he'd be cancelled in a heartbeat. Imagine a man singing about women only wanting love if they're being abused! She manipulates her image to come across as some kind of girl boss that has beaten back the patriarchy but the reality is she's just shrewd and a master at manipulating her public image and turning the tables on anyone that tries to manipulate her.

    Also I can't forgive that she likes to ruin instruments by playing them in the rain. I don't care how much money you make, or what you can afford. That's so wasteful!

    • Which songs are we talking about though? I haven't seen any of her songs really considered as misandry. If anything stuff like You Belong With Me and Better Than Revenge have been judged as misogynist and she's even changed the lyrics cos people criticise the misogyny.

      Her point about how she wouldn't get this criticism if she was a man is extremely valid lol.

      There have been no shortage about love songs about breakups and exes from men but they don't get any criticism. When's the last time someone has criticized Bruno Mars or Ed Sheeran about ex / breakup songs lol.

      Even when not speaking about men there is a ton of female pop stars making breakup songs and no one says a thing.

      So the only way I see it is some Tall Poppy Syndrome / hating just because she is popular.

      You also questioned why she is considered a girl boss then went on directly after to justify when she's a girl boss, lol. If someone did that Taylors version power play in any normal situation it'd be a boss move. If anyone achieved this level of worldwide success they'd also be considered a boss.

      As for the instrument thing, putting on $100m shows and keeping the fans happy to maybe (and not necessarily have to) repair an instrument after for a few hundred dollars. I don't see it as a big issue at all. This is the most insane criticism I've heard lol. It's positive that she still wants to give people their money's worth and put on a good show regardless of weather conditions

      • -1

        What songs contain mysogyny? Seriously?

        "Boys only want love if it's torture. Don't say I didn't, say I didn't warn ya."

        "One day I'll watch as you're leaving. 'Cause you got tired of my scheming."

        And as for "Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby. And I'm a monster on the hill." WTF dude!

        I don't have time to go digging it all up but she glorifies abusing her partners, and manages to portray herself as the victim.

        And male artists don't get criticism? Did I imagine the controversy around "Blurred lines" by Robert Thicke and T.I. Pharrel? Or Eminem, Kanye West, Chris Brown and just about half of the male rappers out there? Plenty get boycotted or cancelled, not just criticized. I can't imagine any man making their name and getting famous going on tirades about ex girlfriends.

        • -3

          I didn't say male artists don't get criticism. I said male artists don't get criticism about making love / ex / breakup songs. Big difference to scandals which you're weirdly putting in the same category 😅

          The sexy baby thing is actually a critique of youth being fetishized, so she shares the same wtf as you and is even criticizing it. Others have said it is a 30 Rock reference and the song is about her anxiety and insecurities about her being a monster and everyone being young and attractive. It has nothing literally to do with babies..

          The other lyrics you posted are really basic lol..

          • -1

            @takutox: How many male breakup songs are you aware of that are mysogynistic and don't get called out?

            Your explanation of the "sexy baby" lyric doesn't make it any less creepy. You're clearly a fan and are going to make excuses or explain away any behaviour I bring up so I won't waste my time. Bottom line is it's a pattern and disturbing to those who aren't fans.

            • -1

              @syousef: It's not a pattern. You're just being purposely obtuse to believe that sexy baby refers to literal babies lol. The whole song theme is about her nightmares, worries and anxieties. Mfer is making it out to seem it's a line about being a child predator when it's just saying sometimes she feels everyone else is beautiful and she feels like a monster in comparison 😂

              It's like if you took any song with baby in the title and purposely misconstrued it to be talking about babies. Cancel 30 Rock while you're at it which is the origin of the term. I don't think they're pedo writers on that show for using that term lol

              I'm not even a fan. I just think criticisms like omg she played instruments in the rain are stupid AF. In any non haters mind it is positive that she still put on the best show she could despite the weather conditions. At that point you are just hating to hate.

              • @takutox: Ok, and there we go…you're calling me "purposely obtuse". I've already shown that the assertions you made are untrue by giving counter-examples. I'm not getting into another stupid argument on this board. I have things to do that don't involve abusing strangers. You go ahead and fangirl and deny it all you like, champ. Pretend you aren't a fan while claiming sexist behaviour isn't sexist and defending the destruction of expensive musical gear to your heart's content. Call me a hater all you like. You don't matter to me.

                • -1

                  @syousef: lol, you're getting really sensitive over this.

                  We just disagree that basic lyrics you've posted are "sexist". The "boys only love if it's torture, don't say I didn't warn ya" is self deprecation because she's sayjng she's insane and will give them pain (the insane part is even another lyric), on top of the entire meaning of the song being a charicature of how the media portrays her. I.e., the person in the song / video is meant to be a bad person.

                  You do know the crews plan for outdoor shows and have water proof gear right? Otherwise the gear wouldn't even work in the rain lol. Her piano is also a shell and the guitars also have the same protection. It's a digital piano.

                  If the above wasn't true, she wouldn't even be able to play them in the rain.

                  She's a global superstar and you're talking about her performing in the rain to give people a good show like it's a bad thing. Would you rather her cancel the entire shows? Also purposely misconstruing lyrics and taking them as uncharitably and literally as possible is definitely being a hater lol.

                  I'm not a fan, I can just see stupid arguments when I see them.

                  • @takutox: Try and gaslight someone else. This isn't my first rodeo. You tell someone they're being "purposely obtuse" and then call them "really over sensitive"?

                    Not even going to bother reading the rest. Bye.

                    • -1

                      @syousef: Disagreeing for good reason is gaslighting?

                      Now I don't know if I'm the Taylor fan or if you are lol

                      • @takutox: No, insulting someone and telling them not to be overly sensitive is gaslighting. But you already know that. Go troll someone else. Some of us have better things to do with our lives than try to feel good about ourselves coming up with 3rd rate insults and convinciing ourselves we're a genius over it, and trying to upset strangers on the Internet. Get a life.

                        • -1

                          @syousef: That's not gaslighting. That's just observations and comments.

                          Gaslighting is more like you trying to gaslight us into thinking these basic lyrics are misandry.

                          • @takutox: You're literally trying to get me to question my perception of reality by turning the tables when in fact your argument makes no sense and doesn't stand even cursory scrutiny. Then pretending you don't see that. Not to mention you've totally ignored every point I've made and made statements you must know are untrue (like that her gear is waterproof, which it certainly isn't). Textbook gaslighting. Go play with someone who can't see through your BS, buddy.

                            • -2

                              @syousef: That is called.. disagreeing. lol. Not gaslighting.

                              And yes they are waterproof. They're not standard equipment and shelled. The piano is digital and has plexiglass. You're literally coping yourself into believing they're not waterproof like you're her gear provider or something.

                              The piano in particular is a cheap digital that is just a shell / covered. She uses a Nord with like 3 extra layers of rain protection.

                              You're joking if you think she should cancel her sold out shows over something they already prepped for. Keeping the show going is POSITIVE. You are majorly coping by turning it into something negative

                              And again disagreeing is not gaslighting lol

                              • @takutox: How TF is calling someone oversensitive after calling them obtuse, and calling them a hater "disagreeing"? GO AWAY YOU UTTER TROLL!

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22U5PakzSE8

                                • -2

                                  @syousef: That vid proves my point even more. It's a digital Nord piano that only started malfunctioning after 3.5 hours of nonstop monsoon rain. In any normal circumstance it would still function. It even made news headlines.

                                  They could still do the show since the gear is made to withstand weather. All the equipment except that Nord was fine.

                                  The coverage of this event was positive / interesting since Taylor still did her best to perform despite the crazy conditions.

                                  You are oversensitive and spamming caps. That doesn't make me a gaslighter

                                  Ultimately tens of thousands of concertgoers money and experience > a repairable malfunctioning Nord digital piano that happened like once and made news headlines LOL

                                  • @takutox: Calling me obtuse doesn't make me over-sensitive. It makes you a sad excuse for a bully. Oh no, I'm "spamming caps". How dare I? Maybe I should go take a guitar and keyboard out in the rain instead.

                                    You can't be that ignorant about musical instruments, so I have to assume this too is a poor attempt at a troll. None are waterproof. The insides of that guitar have to be untreated wood and would soak up water. The electronics on the piano are shorting which is why it's registering notes. That's probably a write-off since water-damaged electronics don't tend to be economical to repair.

  • All a bunch of swamp donkeys

  • to be honest i think shes more hyped than anything. She hardly have any talent. if you watch any of her performance you can see all she dose is the same thing over and over. She is the definition of Industry plant. she sold her soul to the left for the fame she got. AKA Taylor "the Polluter" Swift.

  • +1

    You couldn't have written a dumber thread if you tried.

  • She is no doubt the best singer ever, better than ones like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston

    I think her detractors are just jealous and pathetic little people that can’t see talent for what it is.

    I suppose they will grow up and smell the flowers one day, when they stop acting like the nasty and bitter things they are lol

    • +2

      Sarcasm detector is going crazzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

  • +3

    I'm not sure if I should post serious commentary about this or be flippant by using wordplay with some of her song titles.

    Art is subjective whether you enjoy her music or not one thing there are a few facts to establish

    -She has been writing songs for a long time 20years plus
    -Her music resonates with many people across a wide spectrum of age and gender groups
    -Is Extremely professional as a performing artist and has real respect for her audience that have paid a kings ransom and travels the seven seas to see her perform.
    -The Eras tour is one of the highest grossing and most attended concert tours of all time.

    It's undeniable that she is a once in generation/lifetime talent that we will unlikely ever see again. There will never be another Taylor Swift.

    The Media Circus that accompanied her arrival in Australia has nothing to do with her, but rather the modern news media landscape and the need to optimise the attention economy.

    My thoughts on this are that she could have had a nice career just playing to country music folks in the American south ala Garth Brooks. But Her Team have done well to maximise her exposure to the masses and build brand to what it is today creating experiences and selling out the biggest stadiums in the world several times over.

    So is she a overhyped media creation? somewhat.. but it had to be backed up by some talent and the public's willingness to engage with her art.

    She is the Quadruple threat can Sing, Play, Perform, Write…which is very hard to do all of those things at an elite level.

    She's made enough money to never have to work another day and could easily disappear from public life if she wants to , but yet continues to grind out more music and hit the road for 2 years straight , that is something to be admired.
    Try signing karaoke for 3 hours straight 4 nights in a row and you realise its a tough gig, (that pays very well) but thats it the elite talents are paid well.

    my 2c

    • 'signing karaoke for 3 hours straight 4 nights in a row and you realise its a tough gig, (that pays very well)'

      yeah wrist cramps could be a real problem there - but who pays you for karaoke ?

      • I think you have missed the point mate, yeah it was a typo so yeah ill own that one.

        it was obvious I meant singing with your voice and not signing with your hand.

        the point being is singing well and performing for 3 hours straight for 4 nights in a row is not easy unless you are well trained and well practiced, just like any other elite skill.

        99.999999999999% of us will never have the privilege of performing to tens of thousands of people in the world biggest stadiums so the only way us mere mortals can get a gauge of how difficult it is is to whip out the mic and try singing 40 of your favourite songs in one session and then try to do that 4 nights In a row, then you can some appreciation what it takes to be a performer like TS

  • +2

    Why do people get their knickers in a knot about this?

    It's called popular music for a reason. The media feeds off it to get clicks/views and the artist gets tickets sold. It's all money. If people want to pay $600 to be a part of it, then let them.

    My only request is that these same people don't cry about the cost of living after paying for that experience.

    • -1

      The same people that cry about cost of living are the one who paid $600 for the ticket

  • I personally think there was much better choice and variety in the past.
    Performance by The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Elvis, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Madonna were exceptional.

    There not much these days…

    Even movies of the past (Star Wars, ET, Godfather, Terminator, Aliens, Lord of the Rings, Matrix) were classic, better than the "writing" & remakes these days…

  • +1

    I feel like, like MrBeast has mastered the youtube algorithm with people basically copying from his thumbnails to other minor things, she's sort of mapped out how to capture a large audience and keep the young generation captured, from her personal life tying in with her music. I probably have heard her songs when they're played over the radio in a store, but have never gone out of my way to listen to her, I did search around wondering what made her so famous, but yeah I feel like she's nailed down a formula to keep this momentum going, also not to her discredit, she probably is quite talented, but really talent for any musician is one part of the success, you do need have a good business acumen as well.

  • The Era's tour in particular has really propelled her from being a popular pop singer to something else. It's partly due to talent, media, but also the Swifties who have really made her some type of cultural phenom…a pop culture force to be reckoned with. There's no other popular pop singer for this generation, male or female, who can create the type of touring hype and impact that she can regardless of what you think of her music.

  • I absolutely hate her songs, as it is on loop everyday since i started……………..

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