New Desktop PC Build - Looking for Guidance

Lbangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 12:13
Last edited 13/02/2024 - 14:06

Hi All,

I am looking for help regarding a build. I am currently running a 10 year old platform (4570+R9-270x). It is used 70% for games (Far Cry, Civ, COD) and 30% for Office products (ppt, documents).

The new build I was thinking:

  • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
  • CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
  • Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5
  • Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30
  • Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME (Two to be setup as RAID1 for OS)
  • Video Card: Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB
  • Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case
  • Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX

A few questions:

  1. Does the above look about right?
  2. Is it worth upgrading to the 7900xt?
  3. Would another CPU be a better option such as 7600x, 7700x?
  4. I heard that Zen5 is second half of 2024. Is it worth the wait? I read that IO isnt changing but the cores are and a small increase in memory speeds (to 6400). Happy to be corrected.

Thanks in advance.

Computing Computer Desktop Computer

Comments

  • AlexBargain on 13/02/2024 - 12:32
    +1

    You really don't need to RAID the OS drive
    I challenge anyone to find me benchmarks that show a real world difference

    • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 12:52

      I was thinking more from resiliency than performance.

      • scrimshaw on 13/02/2024 - 12:56
        +1

        I would strongly consider just getting some kind of cloud storage backup and do your backups incrementally. Chances are you don't need a 1:1 backup of your entire 1TB SSD (e.g you don't need backups of your 300GB install of Call of Duty and/or Steam library)

        Cloud backups are pretty cheap too.

        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/14948412/redir

        • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 12:59

          How about for OS only? COD and data i understand.

          • scrimshaw on 13/02/2024 - 13:07

            @bangbangbooya: It is more efficient to only backup the files that you really need. The Windows Operating system is not something you have to backup because you can easily just reinstall Windows and everything else that is important to you can be restored back to it's original directories once you got the system up and running.

            But if you want to do a system-level backup, you can simply use a disk cloning software and clone your SSD to another drive (e.g something portable). Then the other drive will contain a 1:1 snapshot of your SSD.

            Also, RAID alone is not a proper backup strategy. You can imagine what happens if you get ransomware: You'd still want a duplicate copy elsewhere.

  • freefall101 on 13/02/2024 - 13:15
    +1

    I heard that Zen5 is second half of 2024. Is it worth the wait? I read that IO isnt changing but the cores are and a small increase in memory speeds (to 6400). Happy to be corrected.

    RAM speed benefits are usually incredibly minimal and only apply in minimal situations (usually benchmarking RAM). For games you GPU will be the limit.

    I wouldn't bother waiting. Likely 10% performance improvements and, if rumours are to be believed, the X3D chips likely aren't due until 2025 (which makes sense - the 7800X3D is less than 12 months old at the moment and the king of gaming, I doubt they'll rush out a replacement)

    • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 14:23

      Yea i was thinking the same that new X3D will be a while away and the increase in mem speeds is low.

  • netjock on 13/02/2024 - 13:20
    +1

    I was hoping it was story about New Build houses. They are always fun.

    • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 14:13

      Happy to start a thread about that but having gone through a build, definitely learnt patience.

  • jk82 on 13/02/2024 - 14:13

    Looks good, that GPU is going to hold you back though. Can you stretch your budget there any more??
    What resolution are you targeting, and what sort of games do you want to play on it?

    • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 14:22

      Coming from a R9-270x, I think a minimum 1080p will be great. I have 2xDell 2721DGF Monitors.
      Games wise - Far Cry, COD, Civ.

      • jk82 on 13/02/2024 - 14:34
        +1

        Ok cool - well you'll be hitting 1440p then easily! even with the 7800xt. If you opt for an nvidia card though, the DLSS upscaling is far better quality than what AMD offer with FSR, and if you get a 40 series card you'll get Frame Gen on titles that support that (latest COD does now). so you'll be able to soar closer to that 165hz mark you have with your current monitor(s).

        I know you're coming from a R9-270x but you're about to get a beast of a PC so your standards are going to jump dramatically. And for a few hundred more you could have a high end rig instead of a mid/high end rig. If you think it's likely you'll jump into some of the newer AAA's released recently might be worth considering is all. Otherwise yeah your current part-picker list will definitely be able to handle those three games :)

        • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 14:58

          Thank you!
          I guess the nVidia option would be the 4070 Ti. Would 12GB VRAM hinder?
          Also, is there a certain brand better than the other i.e. PNY, ZOTAC, Gigabyte? (i have always had Giga)

          • jk82 on 13/02/2024 - 15:40
            +1

            @bangbangbooya: Yeah I'd go something like this if you can afford it

            https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/831220

            Otherwise just head down the stack to what you can afford/justify spending.

            I can't speak for the VRAM, I've had a 4080 for about a year now (and still absolutely love it), so with 16GB VRAM I've never had to think about it. What I can say though, is for the games that show VRAM usage - at max settings and at 3440x1440 I've never seen it go above 10GB so I feel like the VRAM thing gets way overblown on the internet. But who knows… maybe in a few years it might become an actual thing.

            Edit: Nope - brand does not matter. They're all the same chips and the cooling solutions these days are all more than enough so just go the cheapest. I went ASUS when they launched just cos brand loyalty (mistake), my only regret with my 4080 is not getting the cheapest one at the time.

            • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 16:32

              @jk82: Bit of background before i ask a question - the S2721 dell monitors have 2xhdmi and 1xDP. I have my laptop and my PC connected via HDMI (1 in each HDMI port) - so whichever system is on, the monitors display that signal.

              So a silly question - are there any challenges with running 1 video output on HDMI and another via Displayport? I am assuming that i should run the main screen via DP.

              • jk82 on 13/02/2024 - 16:54
                +1

                @bangbangbooya: I had a quick glance at the rtings site for the S2721 and they're saying that max res via HDMI is 1440p @ 144hz. So I'd run your second screen via HDMI, and your main via DP so you can get full 1440p @ 165hz. But even then the difference between 144hz and 165hz is hardly noticeable so it's not a big deal anyway.

                But no, it doesn't matter at all, modern GPU's can run multiple monitors on whatever configuration you like. In games you generally have an option for which display to output to, but by default it will go to whatever monitor is set as your primary in windows display settings. I've got 3x different monitors hooked up to my PC (1x DP and 2x HDMI) and I've never had a problem swapping and changing them around.

  • sim777 on 13/02/2024 - 15:29

    I recently bought a system with 7800x3d and 4080 Super which has been running games like a dream. Although I only have a monitor that supports 1440p I thought in a way the 4080S was partly future-proofing incase I go up to 4k gaming. Would you consider a 4070TiSuper?

    • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 15:59

      ah yes i will have a look into it.

  • CrispyChrispy on 13/02/2024 - 17:36

    I think an 850w PSU would be sufficient.

    • bangbangbooya on 13/02/2024 - 17:39
      +1

      thank you. i was just looking into it and came across the Corsair RM850x SHIFT 850 W 80+ Gold.

      • [Deactivated] on 15/02/2024 - 10:45

        Plain RM850 (2019, not 850e) is good too, if not better than 850x (no cable caps), and Shift means awkward cabling probably.

        • bangbangbooya on 15/02/2024 - 13:52

          ill have a look at the 850 as well. thank you.

  • [Deactivated] on 15/02/2024 - 10:58

    Your case is 48L in volume. I built my PC using 25L case, InWin 301C (needs micro ATX mobo) and its visually very nice. Just a thought. But careful with GPU length, I had to dremel out some internal panel :) Pics

  • bangbangbooya on 16/02/2024 - 15:26

    Question team - are there any new products that AMD or nVidia are bringing out in the next 3 months that might push prices of the CPU 7800x3d or GPU (7800xt/4070TiSuper) down?

    • jk82 on 17/02/2024 - 12:34
      +1

      Nope, nothing new coming out. Only thing is that 4070/ti/4080 (non-super variants) might start clearing out at lower prices to get rid of the last remaining stock but who knows - they might just keep the prices and hold the stock?! Nothing happening on the CPU front likely until the end of the year (when they usually announce the next chips)

  • bangbangbooya on 21/02/2024 - 11:11

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts and feedback. Decided on the following:

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
    CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE
    Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5
    Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30
    Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME
    Video Card: Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB
    Case: Silverstone Fara 513 ATX Mid Tower Case
    Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

    I couldn't stretch the budget to nVidia but maybe in the future, i can upgrade. I am hoping the 7800xt will be fine.

    Might also get another NVME purely for games.

  • bangbangbooya on 29/02/2024 - 14:19
    +1

    Just an update for everyone who helped out.

    Stretched the budget and got the Gigabyte 7900XT instead of the 7800XT.

    Hopefully future proofed for a while.

    Thank you everyone!

    • Zotti15 on 01/03/2024 - 05:52

      Great build - will play every game comfortably! GLHF!

Login or Join to leave a comment
Login Join