Just as the title says. Genuinely curious.
(All poll options are assuming it’s safe to do so, i.e. no police are watching to see if you do etc)
Do You Flash Your Headlights to Alert Other Divers about Camera Cars?
HamBoi69 on 26/01/2024 - 16:07
Last edited 26/01/2024 - 16:24
Last edited 26/01/2024 - 16:24
Poll Options
- 576Yes, always. It’s courtesy
- 5Yes, only if another driver alerts me beforehand.
- 101Yes if I’m feeling nice. Regardless of if I’ve been alerted by other drivers beforehand.
- 24No, it’s illegal and I don’t wanna get caught. I never have and never will.
- 0No, only because the oncoming driver didn’t alert me first.
- 7No, but usually do, I just forget sometimes.
- 299No. screw em if they’re speeding.
Comments
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if the government wants money, feel free to police the roads more
… road rules imposed by those collecting fines. How convenient …
garbage. dipping yr lights is not illegal
Not sure why you got down voted unless it was because people were going too slow? I don't flash lights anymore. People are speeding, that shit can cause accidents. I could be in that accident they caused. So, no, (profanity) them.
But only because the numbnut on front of me slowed to 45 in a 60 zone before passing the camera car.
It's almost like people believe they get bonus points for being ridiculously slow on a double demerit weekend.
Good to see someone brought this up..
I kind of feel like there should be a fine for people that do this… You are literally helping people commit a crime that causes deaths daily on the roads.
There is no excuse to speed, it literally kills people… I don't understand why this is so hard for people to get.
Even if the government put speed cameras on evert single street, it's still not a bad thing….. speeding kills people.
It's not like stealing a loaf of bread to feed for family, this crime has victims..FFS people you aren't the only person in the world.
I use waze and report of hidden car cameras and vice versa, and i still flash my light to warn of incoming hidden camera cars.
I love sharing the road with people like this ^
Half the time it's just a broken down car parked on the side of the road.
Yep I just use waze
waze is the best
Been using waze for a few years, never let's me down and can do whatever speed I feel is safer.
Thank you, I use Waze too and rely on reports like this!
So, on top of enabling speeders, you interact with your phone to add camera locations whilst driving. OK.
All of the above + add on Google Maps, if I'm in a truck I use the UHF Radio to update nearby drivers.
Serious question: how do you manage to do the reporting while driving? I can barely respond to Waze asking me if the road kill/car/road work is still there. Am I just not good at driving yet?
I used to report custom comments like "fat guy eating KFC holding up traffic" not sure if it still has the feature
Waze reporting only…
One of the best things about Waze!
i always drive past and beep my horn to make sure the operator is awake
I always do this too, I'm sure they get plenty of motorist doing this to them all day.
… because 1Kmh over the "limit" kills …
There is a much larger buffer built in to account for speedo calibration differences and speedos generally show a faster speed than you're travelling so if you're caught and fined, you were speeding and it's on you.
The "limit" is a fictitious number forced by those that, conveniently, get all the revenue when said "limit" is ignored.
It is all about money. Money for nothing.
@LFO: That's not true. There is lenience applied in low speeding, hence nobody ever being fined for 1km over the limit as you stated.
Speed is a factor in a very, very high percentage of road deaths. To defend it is irresponsible.
@imurgod: Your naiveness is astounding.
Ever thought why "speed" cameras are hidden?
Ever thought why "speed" is enforced but not other?
Ever thought of road revenue?
Wonder why so many children are run over at low speed … yes, speed was involved … LOW SPEED!!
@LFO: The irony of your comment shows how naïve you are.
Not going to argue with you over it when there are tons and tons of findings that support my fact over your conspiracy theroies.
Ever thought why "speed" cameras are hidden? - Maybe to catch people people who habitually speed. If you don't speed (i.e. break the law), you have nothing to fear. Easy.
Ever thought why "speed" is enforced but not other? - There's more than 1 speed? What other? drugs? alcohol? distractions? (they're all enforced). You make no sense here.
Ever thought of road revenue? - Yes, I know the catchphrase but it means nothing when speed is a factor in 41% of road fatalities annually. The fine is a deterrent and works as intended. If people didn't speed, there'd be no revenue to speak of so you're kind of upset about something that you can control but choose not to.
Wonder why so many children are run over at low speed … yes, speed was involved … LOW SPEED!! - Not sure how you think this general, misguided statement is relevant but you do you, I suppose. Any other random, made up things you want to cry out?
I can see that this upsets you and you don't want to face the facts but may I suggest that you simply don't break the road rules, drive like a responsible adult, don't put people's lives at risk and all the hurt feelings should just go away.
naïve
COPYCAT!
Be creative. Or ask ChatGPT if unable to.you want to cry out?
I'm not. Are you?. Feel as extremely, disappointingly emotional.
this upsets you and you
I suggest that you
a responsible adultAs I typed before, very emotional and quite empty of substance.
Also making it very personal. Not a very mature discussion: you are good but I am bad … (in your head, of course!)
Remember: speed kills … the government wouldn't lie to you.
Stay at home and watch TV, they well tell you what to know.
Very safe.
Very slow.@LFO: To begin with, let's note that you avoided addressing any of my answers to your ridiculous questions. The reason is very clear, you were shown to have no idea about any facts.
You are very emotional about this. Why?
You've made it personal from the get go but that hasn't made you right. I never said I am good and you are bad, that's your feelings. I only provided facts for you to digest. Sorry that upset you.
Numbers don't lie and the statistics back my facts but not your fantasies which is making you seethe for some reason.
The facts haven't changed since me schooling you on them but feel free to put on your tinfoil hat, shake your fist and insult me some more, it still won't change the facts about this topic.
Take a breath and count to 10, little guy. Everything is going to be ok.
You mean “off” the roads?!?
So you’re one of those idiots that NEVER speeds and goes well under the speed limit hey, it’s drivers like you that need to get OFF the roads!!
They justify speed cameras, enforcing tiny fractions of speed over a ludicrously low limit, because people do 180+kmh and crash, a lot of these are suicides, impossible to prove it but it would appear so. We have revenue raising, nothing much to do with safety.
So you've only seen people either do a few K's over the limit or 180+? Nothing inbetween?
They're saying the govt uses those examples to set up speed cameras for revenue raising. They're not pro camera
because people do 180+kmh and crash, a lot of these are suicides, impossible to prove it but it would appear so.
Do you always have an each way bet?
They release a report, I need to find and read it again, essentially they say people die a lot doing 60km+ over the speed limit, then use that to justify pinging you 300 bucks for doing 11 km/hr over the speed limit. Justification for speed camera(WA) use is a rort.
would be unaustralian not to
By most accounts the driver that caused the incident will receive a thorough thrashing with a wet lettuce leaf
Has a speed camera ever stopped that?
Most probably. The threat of losing money from speeding would certainly slow people down. The idea is you don’t know when you will be caught so you are more inclined to keep the speed down in general.
bmerigan……..You just don't get it, do you!
IF just one speeding driver gets pinged and then fined then maybe, just maybe, they will change their driving habits and potentially avoid a fatal collision at a later date.
At the very least the offending driver, if caught, will lose a few demerit points to teach them a lesson.@Ocker: The majority of speeding fines are not given for driving at a dangerous speed.
Thus it's a pointless exercise except for making money and pretending to be doing something for the greater good.Maybe it's you that doesn't get it.
@bmerigan: What do you call a “dangerous” speed?
These are the stopping distances at various speeds. If something unexpected happens it may well be the difference between a child who runs out of the road being hit or not hit.
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/road-safety/driving-…
The majority of speeding fines are not given for driving at a dangerous speed.
Thus it's a pointless exercise except for making money and pretending to be doing something for the greater good.Maybe it's you that doesn't get it.
My concern is I'm sharing the road with people that appear to condone speeding by warning others about speed cameras.
With 61 years of driving everything from a Mini Minor to bogie semis and bogie tip over axel semis and country paper trucks Sydney to Muswellbrook and return 6 nights a weeks I've had 3 speeding fines. Two were for less than 10kl over.
My last 3 private vehicles since 1990 travelled 700,000kl.
I did it so I copped.
@CurlCurl: You've just proved his point, obviously the first fine you received didn't stop you from speeding and yet you haven't gone on to kill someone on the road from speeding did you or you have and aren't saying anything 🤔
Fatigue and alcohol/drug driving are the two biggest killers on the road but those are hard to create revenue with, then here comes the speed kills campaigns with the balls to say even 5km/h over a designated speed can kill, ballocks.
I have more of an issue of people excessively speeding in built-up areas and suburban roads, not a straight stretch of open freeway where they're pinging people for doing 3km/h over the limit, that's platent revenue raising.@ConsumerAffairs: The TAC Victoria site
https://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/staying-safe/speedingSpeeding contributing factor in 33% of fatalities
Tiredness is 16 - 20%
Alcohol in 20%Look at the difference even small increases in speed have on crash risk.
@try2bhelpful: I followed your link and failed to see where it says that "speeding" is a contributing factor.
If they did it would have been very wrong.
What it does say is that "speed" is a contributing factor. This has nothing to do with the speed limits. Speed can be a contributing factor even if you're driving way below the speed limit.
For example if you were driving on a very wet, winding road. You could be doing 10kmph BELOW the speed limit yet be at a speed in excess of what's safe for that road.
@try2bhelpful: The stats you provide say that because hitting something harder hurts more we should never move faster than a snail.
You've just proved his point, obviously the first fine you received didn't stop you from speeding and yet you haven't gone on to kill someone on the road from speeding did you or you have and aren't saying anything
That has to be the dumbest thing anyone here has said this year. Don't think anyone will come close for the rest of the year either
Three speeding fines in 61 years of driving and many millions of kilometres. One job I was driving 3,500 kilometres a week. The average Australian drives 12,000 a year.
@CurlCurl: I guess you didn't pick up on my hint of sarcasm with the use of the emoji 😪
I'm sorry if that offended, it wasn't meant that way.
I more so wanted to highlight the fact that anybody can have a lapse of concentration while driving, even ever so slightly. It doesn't mean people here are condoning speeding, just that there's no judgement on which and where these fine are given out.
My bet is, judging by the type of driving you've done, you most likely received your own fines on a flat straight stretch of highway with no known black spots or high risk areas anywhere near the site the speed camera was set-up, this is where the problem lies with most people.
With the amount of kilometers you've covered, the odds aren't great for you and yet it's still quite commendable you're only received as many as you have.
In Victoria at least, if your driving record is somewhat clean for a period of time and you do receive a fine for >10 km/h over that you can apply for a warning only in place of a speeding fine.
There are at least some things in place for drivers like yourself to allow for these 'lapses of concentration' to be given just a warning for.
As for speeding in residential and built-up areas, that's a different kettle of fish, there's no excuse for it in my opinion. This is where people have the problem and view that most of it is revenue raising.
You rarely ever see a speed camera setup for the purpose and potential of slowing vehicles down during a active school zone, a residential street used as the traffic thoughfare, around the built-up areas with high pedestrian activity.
Nope, they pick the flattest, straightest roads with the highest traffic volume and 90% of the time with no known major risk in the area, higher odds of getting more driver's marginally over the speed limit as opposed to one's creating an actual risk to others in the areas I listed above, how could anyone believe that isn't revenue raising?I'm sorry if that offended, it wasn't meant that way.
All good. No offence taken.
One was when I was driving the country paper truck from for the Telegraph in Sydney to Muswellbrook 6 nights a week via Newcastle. Paper trucks had one rule from the country police, DON'T SPEED THROUGH THE TOWNS and we didn't. There was a new Cop in one of the towns. He booked the 3 paper trucks on the open road one night. We never saw him again. Yes, the other 2 were in my own car on country roads with no one else around. Both less than 10kl over the limit.
@CurlCurl: Given you've received speeding tickets we can only conclude you are a dangerous homicidal driver.
I hope you would feel guilty if you didn't flash your lights, and they proceed to kill somebody.
Whereas I feel that I did my part in at least warning them to slow down.
You should be ashamed.
Where's the evidence that a motorist driving the speed limit or under cannot cause the death of another motorist or pedestrians, I believe driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, being sleepy/ fatigued or inattention would cause more accidents than speeding. Who even sets the speed limit on the roads and on what basis? If an accident happens when the driver involved is driving under the speed limit do they feel guilty for setting the wrong speed for that road? Rant over
I'm sure you would rather be hit by a drunk driver going 40 then 70 right? Most likely higher chance of survival at a lower speed. Or doesn't matter to you?
It's silly to expect 1000000billion rules for every possible situation.
wow love the polarised poll.
That's why it's so easy for the government to raise revenue. About half the population thinks it's actually for safety.
Remember, the average person is an idiot completely open to propoganda. Hell, maybe that's me!
Even the cops know it's mostly revenue raising. It should be a big clue to everyone when, every time they go on strike over pay, the first thing they do is threaten to stop speed enforcement to hurt the government revenue stream. We don't see them do the same with red light or drink driving offences, because they know that not enforcing those would actually have major safety implications.
Yes, if I remember.
With the headlights set to auto I am blocked from flashing my headlights.
No you aren't.
Most cars have seem to have automatic headlights these days. You can still flash the high-beams.
Legally as long as you aren’t within 200 metres of them.
You're very misguided (in my head I used different words). Flashing headlights is done with the high beam. Your headlight on/off/auto switch makes no difference to whether the high-beam flasher works.
That's because he hasn't taken his car back to the manufacturer to replenish the high beam fluid.
What car do I need to avoid then?
Mine has auto headlights, with auto hi beam. I push the stalk forward to activate hi beam, auto or manually. I pull the stalk toward me and it will flash high beam, then return to low until I push the stalk forward again and it goes back to auto or manual depending on the settings.
Would you mind telling us what year/model the car is?
I'm curious enough to look into this - it sounds like a fault.I've driven many Renaults, and all have had the ability to flash high beams.
My bet is Gordan, if that is his real name, won't reply with the model and year because then he'd be proven wrong.
It's a Renault Clio sport or something, he's harped on about it before, allegedly it doesn't use the rear brakes when braking either.
It is in the ADRs to be able to flash the headlights.
We are still waiting on the make and model of your car that so you can prove us all wrong. You've been online 9 hours ago and seen the requests for this info.
Seems like someone just learnt that they can flash their high beams… 😋
Utter bullshit. You are coming across as extremely ignorant name calling the people trying to educate you with correct information.
I don't speed nor do I think anyone is above the law and should be able to speed (except for police officers, ambos etc.) so no, I don't flash my lights.
speed (except for police officers, ambos etc.)
Brainwashing to its best!
@HamBoi69 … do you flash your undies/knickers at passers by to !?!?!? !!!
just saying.
Absolutely not. ;)
I do, gives me a reason to go crazy on headlights lol
then why flash your lights ???
about only time I have flashed lights == country driving +++ having to slow down from 110km/hr to 40km/hr with limited braking distance.
other than that == nah.
I often flash my lights if there’s a hazard on the roads. Happy to warn other drivers there is something on the roads ahead of them.
Nope def not.
In NSW tho, they must have signs before the camera car. So if A) you're speeding & B) you're not even paying attention to the road to see the sign, well then you deserve what's coming.
Always.
1) Cameras don’t save lives.
2) not every person speeding is a smug inconsiderate lunatic wreaking havoc, sometimes people make mistakes.Sure cameras catch people doing wrong, but they do nothing to alleviate road accidents.
They are indiscriminate revenue raisers and nothing more.
Would much rather see more patrol cars out and about as they actually influence people’s behaviour.Are you saying that in no point in your life have you accidentally/intentionally sped?
Of course my speed has crept over the limit on occasion
And if you were flashed the second that happens, do you feel like that would improve road safety?
I’m not against improving people’s driving habits. But cameras clearly don’t work.
@El cheepo: The chances of that happening are so small as to not bother worrying about. I've been driving in NSW over 20 years and never been fined, because 99% of the time I'm not speeding.
People getting fined on those occasions would make up a tiny percentage of overall fines, and does not invalidate the effectiveness of the overall system.
@El cheepo: More likely if speed cameras didn’t work then the road toll would be higher.
If people thought they could always get away with driving at a higher speed, without risk of a penalty, they probably would.
More likely if speed cameras didn’t work then the road toll would be higher.
It is rising yearly…
7.3% increase 2023
5.8% increase in 2022https://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/brown/media-release/s….
Yes, cameras are a mild deterrent.
But education and enforcement is more effective then some guy hiding in the bushes sending you polaroids a month after the event.@El cheepo: They are more than a mild deterrent. If you asked most people why they stick to the speed limit it would be because they don’t want to be fined. My man is the driver and when he gets on highways he puts the cruise control on so he keeps to the speed limit. Part of it is we know the statistics and we shouldn’t speed because we are more likely to crash and hurt either ourselves or others, but a fair chunk is he doesn’t want to pay the money.
It is the fact that these guys could be anywhere that means people monitor their speed continually rather than just when they see a police presence.
Yes the death toll is going up but speed is a factor in a significant number of crashes. Imagine what it would be if people didn’t fear the fines?
Yes there should be better education but this isn’t an either/or. The fine is tangible and immediate. The results of an accident are a bit more esoteric until it happens to you.
If you never speed you never get fined for it. You never have to fear the guy in the bushes taking the Polaroids. It is that simple.
@try2bhelpful: I drive for a living, probably done around 3 million kms (give or take) up to now.
I’ve seen a lot of awful road accidents.
Some fatals just past camera sites(after speeding up after the camera), some minor ones in front of the cameras (from slamming brakes on and getting rear ended)Again, its all well and good having cameras to keep the average person deterred from speeding, but common sense tells most people, if they speed stupidly they will die.
But there are a lot of other people out there who dont know or don’t care about the risks of death to themselves and others from speeding.
Education and presence is the only real way to lower the death toll.
Cameras only deter the sane and average person - and even then, heaps still speed and just rely on waze.
And when average people gets fines, they usually don’t even remember the event and are just frustrated.Imagine if instead of copping a fine for say 10+kmph over, you were forced to do a little short course on road trauma. The inconvenience of attending mixed with the benefits of doing a course like that would be better imo.
Where is the option for “No. screw em if they’re speeding”
If you’re speeding I want you to ReVenUE RaISe for my state.
I flashed my lights for a driver the other night. But only because the numbnut on front of me slowed to 45 in a 60 zone before passing the camera car.