What Are EV Battery Replacement Costs for All Makes?

dcep on 25/12/2023 - 01:17
Last edited 03/01/2024 - 00:13 by 1 other user

Anyone know EV battery replacement costs for the likes of Tesla / Hyundai / Kia / BYD / MG, etc. (popular models like Model 3 / Y , ev6, ioniq, atto, zs, xc40)

There have been recent Canadian reports on Hyundai Ioniq costing them CAD$60k for battery replacement.

There is also UK articles quoting £35k for Jaguar i-Pace

And, BYD Atto 3 in Thailand quoting USD$25,918 for battery replacement.

For Local Prices:
Tesla Model 3 (2022)
Price: AUD$16,796.02 installed
Date Quoted: 2022
Ref: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/14763139/redir

Mitsubishi i-Miev (2009-2012)
Price: AUD$16k (from Mitsubishi) or AUD$12,950 installed (from 3rd Party incl. trade-in)
Date Quoted: 2021
Ref: https://youtu.be/Wy2vFrsMrPQ&t=178

Nissan Leaf (2012-2016)
Price: AUD$33k (Nissan Dealer Lennock) or AUD$9,990 plus labor via Nissan subsidised battery exchange program*
*T&C: Old battery must be working still with a state of health of 8 bars or less (TBC if subsidy program is still ongoing)
Date Quoted: 2019
Ref: https://thecarguy.com.au/nissan-leaf-battery/

Lexus UX
Price: AUD$ 43,476
Date Quoted: 2022
Ref: Link

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Comments

GordonD on 25/12/2023 - 14:34

Car manufacturers can charge whatever they like for spare parts. It may be interesting if you are an insurance company deciding whether a car with particular damage is a writeoff. Its probably not very interesting to a new EV buyer because its very unlikely they'll need a new battery pack. If it is faulty its most likely to fail during the warranty period. If its not its very unlikely to fail during the time they own the car.

As to what they actually cost, and they're not being overcharged for as a spare, or subsidised to reassure buyers that they won't be up for a huge bill if theirs does need replacing, its more likely the latter. Because we know that the reason EVs are relatively expensive is the cost of the batteries. The widely accepted figure is 40% of the cost of the EV. If batteries were cheap, EVs would be cheap. When batteries are cheap, EVs will be cheap.
- JimmyF on 25/12/2023 - 16:58
  
  -1
  
  The widely accepted figure is 40% of the cost of the EV
  
  No it is not, who is claiming such dribble?
JimmyF on 25/12/2023 - 16:57

+1

Anyone know EV battery replacement costs for the likes of Tesla / Hyundai / Kia / BYD / MG, etc. (popular models like Model 3 / Y , ev6, ioniq, atto, zs, xc40)

Considering all these are well within the 8 year warranty they have, any price given won't be a true price.
- 7ekn00 on 25/12/2023 - 18:37
  
  Considering all these are well within the 8 year warranty they have
  
  Unless user damaged, like the cases presented in the video ;) Both cars written off with minor damage to the under carriage :/
  - JimmyF on 25/12/2023 - 19:50
    
    -1
    
    Both cars written off with minor damage to the under carriage :/
    
    Its rarely just battery damage when users cause enough damage to damage the battery pack. So could be frame or drive train damage as well.
    - 7ekn00 on 25/12/2023 - 19:51
      
      +1
      
      ROFL, watch the video, the damages are merely scratches, but you go along making up assumptions ;)
      - JimmyF on 25/12/2023 - 20:07
        
        +1
        
        @7ekn00: LOL, No thanks, I don't watch FUD/Click bait videos with titles like that.
        
        I've seen the costs for a Model 3/Y battery replacement in Australia and the invoices are far from the click bait title of ~$66k AUD that is claimed for the Hyundai Ioniq.
        
        So now its a merely just scratches and the car is written off? This tells me to not buy a Hyundai EV!
- dcep on 26/12/2023 - 02:02
  
  Found some older ones, updated the list above with Mitsi Miev and Nissan Leaf.
  - JimmyF on 26/12/2023 - 10:17
    
    -1
    
    So as I said above, I've seen the costs for a Model 3/Y battery replacement in Australia and the invoices are far from the click bait title of ~$66k AUD that is claimed for the Hyundai Ioniq.
    - dcep on 26/12/2023 - 18:17
      
      Sorry i don't get what are you keep referring to as $66k AUD clickbait title ???? Did someone put up $66k AUD clickbait title here ?
      
      Or are you talking about the youtube video on CAD$60k Hyundai Ioniq from Canada ? What $66k AUD clickbait title?
      It's explicitly showing CAD$60k quote direct from Hyundai dealer (not an insurance quote)
      Are you suggesting the video is fake news and the dealer quote shown is actually doctored to smear bad on Hyundai ?
      
      I've seen the costs for a Model 3/Y battery replacement in Australia and the invoices
      
      Yes someone already shared the quote on Model 3, assuming Model Y would be similar, but would still appreciate your contribution on sharing your reference to Model Y cost so i can add onto the list above. Thanks.
      - JimmyF on 26/12/2023 - 20:01
        
        +1
        
        @dcep:
        
        Sorry i don't get what are you keep referring to as $66k AUD clickbait title ???? Did someone put up $66k AUD clickbait title here ?
        
        Because those in the know, know that its not $66k AUD to replace a battery in a EV from a decent OEM.
        
        Or are you talking about the youtube video on CAD$60k Hyundai Ioniq from Canada ? What $66k AUD clickbait title?
        
        $60k CAD is GASP $66k AUD
        
        Are you suggesting the video is fake news and the dealer quote shown is actually doctored to smear bad on Hyundai ?
        
        Who knows, but its smells like those that claimed a Toyota Hybrid would need a new battery every few years at a cost of $10k or more. I don't click shit that smells like FUD. This smells like FUD!!
  - GrueHunter on 26/12/2023 - 15:33
    
    For the i-MiEV, note that the replacement battery you're getting from Mitsubishi is the same size as the original (ie, 16 kWh), but the aftermarket job is almost twice the size at 30kWh. Nobody is doing the aftermarket one for less than $16k installed these days.
    - dcep on 26/12/2023 - 18:34
      
      True that given it was quoted 2 years back, safe to assume price has risen since from the inflation rather than getting any cheaper these days.
      - GrueHunter on 27/12/2023 - 13:18
        
        @dcep: It's a bit of that, a bit of demand indicating the original price was prob a bit low, and a bit of the installers not accepting used cells as trade-ins anymore - only so many hobby power walls etc you can build
Iwantthebestprice on 25/12/2023 - 19:44

+5

I was considering getting a Tesla but saw this video, and a couple others on YouTube and decided against it for the moment. Number 1 the yearly increase on insurance was so high it would negate any savings from buying petrol, AAMI quoted $1000 more than my current car (similar market value). Second I saw a video in Ireland where a person drove their car during heavy rain and the battery died, under warranty Tesla refused to fix it. I want to know if on days like today (thanks Victoria) where the roads are flooded I can still drive my car without it becoming a write off because of some water in the battery.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-bill-battery-rain
Now I don’t fully believe the above story but still would be a pain in the ass if I spent $80K on a Tesla and there is an option of this happening.
And people saying replacing ICE engine and Transmission yes it’s high but no where near as high as a full battery replacement for a standard 60K sedan. Source, I know I replaced my engine in my VE V8. I wish they would fix the cost to replace a battery as I think this is the biggest barrier to massive uptake in EV cars!
- Euphemistic on 26/12/2023 - 05:59
  
  -2
  
  Number 1 the yearly increase on insurance was so high it would negate any savings from buying petrol, AAMI quoted $1000 more than my current car (similar market value). Second I saw a video in Ireland where a person drove their car during heavy rain and the battery died, under warranty Tesla refused to fix it.
  
  That more of an indictment of Tesla build quality than anything else. Tesla don’t build cars like other manufacturers. They’ve got a long list of major quality issues and a history of denying warranty repairs that seems to go unnoticed by the fanboys. They also don’t seem to care about repairs and haven’t designed a number of bits to be easily repairable unlike most other manufacturers that realise repairing cars after crashing is a thing and they need to be able to disassemble a car to repair it.
  - Iwantthebestprice on 26/12/2023 - 20:13
    
    I agree with this and have seen similar comments online about teslas. It seems that this is an exclusive Telsa feature and with other car makers now making EV this will not be a problem in the near future. I really hope so because if in the next 5 years we see uptake of EVs to 50% of all new car sales we will see a dramatic change in EV infrastructure in this country which will continue to drive the EV uptake. For the time being I will look at EV but just see what’s out there which is not Tesla.
  - dealsucker on 27/12/2023 - 15:14
    
    -1
    
    Yes they dont. They build the safest cars ever tested and they keep improving even after you have bought the car with software updates down to controlling the deployment of the air bags in case of an accident as they get more fleet data.
    - Euphemistic on 27/12/2023 - 15:47
      
      +1
      
      They might build the strongest chassis/body against crashing, but it seems that also makes it harder to repair.
      
      As for over the air updates? That’s not necessary a good thing. From another point of view would consider that they’ve released incomplete software early and are testing it on us. Just look at some of the autopilot fails. Computer software in beta release isn’t really a problem, but car software in beta might just cause some crashes. They’re applying a software “move fast and break stuff” model to a couple of tonnes of fast moving metal.
      
      I get it. Tesla is very good at what they do, but is what they are doing the ridge thing for ongoing car maintenance and ownership?
- gavincato on 26/12/2023 - 10:17
  
  +1
  
  i guess it depends where you live, for me (with aami) insurance on our cars (we have a model 3 and y) is about the same as our petrol cars we had previously. Maybe $150 or so difference.
  
  That aside you are missing out on a lot for some FUD vids you have seen.
  - Iwantthebestprice on 26/12/2023 - 20:14
    
    You’re right, I checked a different postcode and it was only $350 more.. seems very strange why a suburb would have a higher cost for EV vs others
    - garage sale on 28/12/2023 - 20:54
      
      theft in some suburbs alters insurance as does if parked on street or driveway or garage. insurance premiums are based on stats and likely hood of a claim in an area.
- GrueHunter on 26/12/2023 - 18:14
  
  +1
  
  I was going to buy an EV but it's easier to keep moving the goalposts. I say the range has to be this high, or the price this low, or petrol prices have to reach a certain threshold, or particular incentives need to be offered, and then when all of those things happen I just change the criteria again. Also, I ignore the millions of EV sales last year and the thousands of YouTube videos from perfectly happy owners and cherry pick a couple of fringe cases to make it look like I'm interested in evidence.
  - Iwantthebestprice on 26/12/2023 - 20:07
    
    +1
    
    No one is moving the goal post. I’ve driven my mates Telsa model Y and it was an amazing car to drive I enjoyed it very much. The acceleration cannot be compared to an ICE car and I was looking forward to buying one but for the moment I don’t believe the timing is right. I believe in the next 5 years better batteries will be produced and the cost of replacing batteries will decrease, so as I said, for my own circumstances I will wait to buy an EV. Your reply was a very smart ass reply which is typical for this type of forum post. People can and should expect more from EV’s and you sitting there praising the current state of EV’s is not helping them approve. You can sit there and continue to lick Elon’s balls all you want, but I for one will not buy an EV until improvements are made.
    - Euphemistic on 26/12/2023 - 20:42
      
      To each their own, but I think your initial response did sound like many of the anti ev brigade. You might be being cautious, but others are outright scared.
      
      So many wanting 1000km of range and 3min charging when current vehicles would well and truly cover their needs. EVs are not for everyone, but they are improving. Now we are getting proper competition for Tesla we’re all better off.
      
      Personally I’m hanging out for a 4wd off road capable twin cab ute, not US oversized and with about 200km range, although 250-300 might cover a few more weekend trips a little better.
    - GrueHunter on 27/12/2023 - 13:22
      
      +1
      
      I don’t believe the timing is right
      
      Like I said - if you're the kind of person who places greater weight on single YT videos than you do on the entire corpus of sales and experience around the world, it'll never be the right time for you, and no amount of "approve" will change your mind.
      
      You can sit there and continue to lick Elon’s balls all you want
      
      You know other people make EVs besides Elon Musk, right? He certainly didn't make mine, but nice ass-umption. (Interesting obession with licking balls, btw, but you do you)
    - Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:30
      
      I agree with you. I think these apologist comments are from people who have bought an AMG investment equivalent of EV. HAHA.
lachhelix on 25/12/2023 - 19:49

+3

I agree, it would be interesting to find out!
A spreadsheet to track the cost over time (obviously in 5+ years when the warranties run out and EVs are more popular they're going to get cheaper)
- dcep on 26/12/2023 - 02:00
  
  Yes I'm trying to find out which EVs are ripoff and which ones offering reasonable battery replacement cost that's worth considering.
  
  So far 3 on the list for locals (excluding the Canadian $60k Hyundai Ioniq and British £35k Jaguar i-Pace)
fourofjacks on 26/12/2023 - 00:40

Some articles from more well known sources. Truth as always is somewhere in between, not total gloom and doom but also not all rosy.

https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-wer…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2023/10/10/insurance…
- dcep on 26/12/2023 - 01:55
  
  +1
  
  A Jaguar I-Pace BEV is priced close to £70,000 ($86,000) in Britain after tax and a replacement battery will cost about £35,000.
  
  I won't want to put this quote on the list up there. People will scream FAKE NEWS / CLICK BAIT !
ronafios on 26/12/2023 - 06:13

+8
These kinds of questions paired with outrageous articles are going to keep appearing for the next couple of years. Genuine potential EV purchasers are concerned by fantastic stories of massive battery replacement costs or beings stuck with a huge bill with no coverage. There are many vested interests who don't want EV's to succeed, and use all kinds of tactics to try and scare purchasers into traditional fossil fuel powered vehicles. The facts are:

Battery damage that isn't covered under manufacturer warranty is akin to engine damage in an ICE car. Have you ever quoted the cost of replacement engine for a late model ICE car with catastrophic failure (e.g. sump ripped off etc)? Of course, stories of catastrophic damage to near-new ICE cars that aren't covered under warranty don't make the news. Suggesting that these few edge cases make a car 100% more expensive to insure etc. is disingenuous, as it's ignoring the equally common cases of ICE cars with catastrophic failures caused by damage that are written off. The fact is that EV's in Australia are typically around 20% more to insure than a comparable ICE car, however this is likely to moderate over time as more options for repair become available to insurers.

Insurance covers everything that isn't covered by manufacturer warranty (except for a few rare edge cases for typical insurance exclusions). There are only extremely minor cases where you would be on the hook for a battery replacement that wasn't covered under insurance (from damage), or warranty (from a fault). Out of millions of EV's sold, there's a handful of articles where consumers are on the hook - but in most of the articles in this thread insurance covered what the manufacturer did not.

Battery costs will come down significantly over time: at the moment most mechanics are geared towards ICE cars and few have any expertise in battery repacking, replacement etc. This will rapidly change. Asking what a battery cost will be at 7 or 8 year mark after manufacturer warranty runs out is like asking a dealer what the price for a replacement engine is at the 7 or 8 year mark. No-one in their right mind would ask a dealer to replace the engine in a car that old - a competent mechanic would use a reconditioned or replacement engine and the price would be a fraction. The same will happen with EV's once there is a reliable supply of used batteries, reconditioning services, and competent installers. This is all inevitable, but not needed just yet as the large majority of EV's are still under manufacturer warranty.

If you intend to keep a car beyond the 7 - 10 year battery warranty period, and you want to know the most likely cheapest option at that time, buy one of the top selling cars. The more used batteries available and cars still on the road, the more likely there will be a cost-effective repair option.
Hangryuman on 26/12/2023 - 14:03

if you're not happy with the price, you could explode … https://nypost.com/2021/12/24/tesla-explodes-after-mechanics…
whitepuma on 27/12/2023 - 08:13

+1

i think government bodies need to step in and standardise the form factor for EV batteries. It would be amazing if in 10 years time when your EV battery dies you actually have options on which manufacturers batteries you want to stick in. Want to install a tesla battery? no? how about an eneloop?

I think this would work really well to minimise impact to the environment, giving the car plenty more life, whilst making it easier to recover/recycle the materials in the batteries.
I know some countries are even exploring having the option to do battery swaps on the fly, like instead of charging up your battery you just swap it with one that's already charged (like an LPG tank), would be great to minimise the time to "charge up".
- BargainKen on 27/12/2023 - 20:07
  
  Government will just stifle innovation as they always do.
  - whitepuma on 27/12/2023 - 21:54
    
    Even if it's not government that does it, and instead is industry leads that do it.
    
    Usually the innovation comes from a company, then a government body standardizes it based off of their innovation.
    i.e.
    1. the AA battery was introduced by Ever Ready in the early 1900's. It wasn't until 40 years later that an American government body standardized that. Imagine if every TV remote needed a different type of battery.
    2. More recently this is happening right now in the EU with USB standardization for all smart phones.
    
    I reckon the EU will be the first to make standardization within EV's, then others will cave.
DiscoJango on 27/12/2023 - 09:42

Trust me, im not an engineer, and have no idea what the answer me.
jaimex2 on 27/12/2023 - 10:11

+1

You need to find someone who's actually had to replace one and I don't see that here.

Then you need to factor in the money you get back because the battery is still usable for a lot of things. People foam over the packs for their cells.
- nephilim on 27/12/2023 - 11:15
  
  People have changed the Outlander PHEV as a lot of the OG 2014-2017 were duds and Mitsubishi changed the warranty illegally. Bunch of people won at small claims courts against them. Receipt is 15k including labor at all dealerships.
johnfuller on 27/12/2023 - 10:55

-6
The cost of replacing an electric vehicle (EV) battery can vary significantly depending on the make and model of the car. Here's a summary of the replacement costs for different models based on recent data:

BMW i3: The cost for a replacement battery pack was about $16,000 in 2016, equating to roughly $727 per kWh for the 22 kWh packs. However, used batteries with reduced capacity may be found for around $2,500, equating to roughly $145 per kWh【6†source】.

Chevrolet Bolt: Most Chevrolet Bolt batteries should be covered under warranty, especially after the recall. The estimated replacement cost is around $16,000 for parts and $300-$800 for labor【7†source】.

Nissan LEAF: Battery replacement costs range from $3,500 to $14,500, with labor costs varying between $300-$1,000 for an uncomplicated swap【7†source】.

BMW i4 (eDrive40): The replacement cost for the BMW i4 battery is estimated between $13,000-$15,000 for the 83.9 kWh pack, with labor costs around $600-$2,000【7†source】.

Ford F-150 Lightning: The MSRP for a brand-new F-150 Lightning battery pack ranges from $34,393.48 for the standard battery to $46,907.06 for the long-range battery, with labor costs of about $600-800【7†source】.

Hyundai IONIQ 5: The replacement cost for the Hyundai IONIQ 5's 77.4 kWh battery pack is estimated around $12,000, with labor around $600-$1,000【7†source】.

Hyundai KONA Electric: The estimated replacement cost for the 64 kWh battery pack is about $10,000-$12,000, with similar labor costs to the IONIQ 5【7†source】.

Volkswagen ID.4: The replacement cost for the Volkswagen ID.4's battery pack is not specified, but it's likely to be in line with other similar EVs【7†source】.

General EV Battery Replacement Cost: Depending on the EV, replacing the battery pack could cost up to $20,000, but it could also be as little as $2,500. The cost varies significantly based on the make and model of the car【8†source】.

These costs are subject to change and can vary based on location, dealership, and other factors. Additionally, some EVs have warranties that cover the battery for a certain period, which can significantly reduce the cost if the battery needs replacement within the warranty period.
- Naigrabzo on 27/12/2023 - 16:55
  
  +2
  
  Dude you should try this thing called chatGPT.
  - johnfuller on 28/12/2023 - 10:38
    
    -1
    
    thats exactly what i used lol
    - Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 14:58
      
      HAHA nailed it.
sauce2k on 28/12/2023 - 08:04

OP do u buy an ICE car and think about how much it costs to replace the engine?
- Sinnerator on 28/12/2023 - 08:59
  
  so, no one should do any research before spending $10,000ssss ???
  - Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 09:19
    
    No, sauce2k is pointing out that replacing a battery in an EV is only as likely as replacing a drivetrain in an ICE and no one looks at a replacement engine cost when buying a car - unless it’s done 400,000km.
  - sauce2k on 28/12/2023 - 09:22
    
    @Euphemistic got it.
    
    @Sinnerator I'm just curious because I doubt ICE drivers research engine replacement cost before purchasing them.
- dcep on 30/12/2023 - 18:56
  
  As someone already asked the same question above/earlier. I'll repeat again below although this being irrelevant to OP as I am not here to have a war on ICE vs EV.
  
  OP do u buy an ICE car and think about how much it costs to replace the engine?
  
  To answer your question. Yes, if it's RX8 engine.
  No, if it's 20yo Ozb Camry with 200k mileage when the engine has only just started breaking-in. You get the jizz here.
  
  You may have your opinion thinking engine = battery , but to me that logic doesn't makes sense as the engine in EV = electric motors, whereas the battery itself is consumables parts.
  
  My opinion is that you could compare the aspects of typ. ICE engine akin with EV electric motors, but not the battery which is a totally different composition/functions/aspects with no repair-ability other than to replace as a whole from your local workshop upon out of warranty damage/faults/degradation.
  
  Which is why i would like to know beforehand on what am i up to, as i will not have the option to compare prices from different mechanics/workshop akin on engine repairs.
  
  It's crazy to see people here go a long way to justify I cannot , and should not , be asking in public, on how much a battery costs.
  - Euphemistic on 30/12/2023 - 20:28
    
    You may have your opinion thinking engine = battery , but to me that logic doesn't makes sense as the engine in EV = electric motors, whereas the battery itself is consumables parts.
    
    But the battery is designed to be no less consumable than an ICE motor and transmission. They’re basically designed to last the lifetime of the vehicle now. Unless you live in extreme climate or really flog your battery it should last just as long as long as you expect an ICE to last ie 300,000km or 15-20years. Sure, it isn’t going to have the same range at end of life, but somewhat like a phone by the time you kill the battery you’re possibly better off upgrading the whole thing.
Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 10:36

Makes ICE look way more enticing.

$33K is a lot of coal and gas,too.(yep, the majority of recharge energy will be sourced there for a long time yet)

EV tax, here I come
8at8 on 28/12/2023 - 12:01
Keep in mind 2 things as well:

Most people will not need to replace the whole battery. Presumably for degradations, what needs to be done is replacing some of the cells, so the costs would not be this high

Over time, pass the 8 year warranty, the battery costs would also come down as there are more mechanics with capabilities to replace them.
- Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 14:58
  
  What it means is 2nd hand EVs will become the norm and harder to flog with batteries on the brink. Why would you buy one now, or at all, until ICE cars are banned or fuel is extreme in price.It's pretty clear the west is siding with fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. They have made that even clearer at COP28/ (cop out 28)
- Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 14:59
  
  In 8 years these battery designs will be obsolete and you won't be able to replace them for cheap.
  - Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 15:15
    
    Mitsubishi Imiev and Nissan leaf battery upgrades are a thing, same as aftermarket batteries for hybrids. Relatively cheap too. Sure, it’s not great that your EV needs a new power plant after a few years, but there’s a market for these two very early model EV upgrades.
    
    More recent vehicles have active battery temperature control and improve chemistry and are lasting a lot longer. But they really haven’t been around long enough in Aus to be a decent sized market.
    
    I wonder how Norway’s used market is going with their huge uptake of EVs.
    - Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 15:51
      
      I reckon when the % of pure EVS gets' high enough ppl won't want 2nd hand hybrids because the ICE component parts and techs will be too expensive or limited. ICE cars will hit a patch of low cost 2nd hand I reckon.
      There may even be a return to petrol 4x4s for a while. Car makers will continue try and drive the new car market and consumer offerings,but each maker will still want an opportunistic niche opening at some point
  - garage sale on 28/12/2023 - 21:08
    
    if there are 1 million of a model make, in 8 years they will sell batteries as it’s a huge market , and if the battery tech changes they will make a pack that fits with new battery tech and a software update, it’s a huge industry,
justwii on 28/12/2023 - 13:57

Thanks OP for bringing us this topic. I guess people have been hearing all these good incentives about getting an EV like money saving on fuel, government rebate, 100% pre tax ss, etc. Equally we need to hear more about the maintenance cost like battery replacement, insurance, etc.

For people like me only doing short distance city commute, I do only 5000km per year, meaning petrol cost is roughtly $1000 per year, I guess I need more than a hundred years to balance out the extra costs in driving an EV.
- sauce2k on 28/12/2023 - 14:01
  
  People don’t just buy cars for needs , just so you know.
- Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 15:00
  
  EV costs are the same if you average it out over 20 years of car ownership.
  - Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 15:47
    
    Does that factor in the price paid to recharge eg all solar (no cost IF the system has paid for itself) , VS pure grid power costs
    - Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:12
      
      I think so. The above comment is about being able to get a cheaper ICE car (5k running per year so fairly low) so I assume they have 20k buffer to play with.
      
      Insurance, tyres, depreciation, range loss etc are higher costs with EV. Range loss is a cost because of time required to stand around while charging.
      
      Remember charging speed will never improve once you buy the EV while battery range will reduce.
      - justwii on 28/12/2023 - 18:58
        
        @Naigrabzo: Hang on. $1000 on fuel per year minus same $ for electricity to cover the same 5000km, I dont know, may be a 30% cut? So only $300 saving per year in my case. After 100 years I only have $30000 buffer.
        
        microsnot on 29/12/2023 - 11:49
        
        +1
        
        @justwii: Obviously there's a whole heap of variables but you should be comparing a new EV and a new ICE though. For such low km, you'd be heaps better off sticking with ICE and there's no payback within 10 years.
        
        Let's say you compare a Hyundai i30 auto hatch and MG MG4 Excite 51 as entry levels hatchbacks then for 5,000km it would be:
        
        petrol ULP 91 RON @ $1.949 = $721.13
        electricity @ $0.22 kWh = $202.40
        electricity EV plan @ $0.08 kWh = $73.60
        electricity solar FIT @ $0.07 kWh = $64.40
        
        Realistically the i30 would use more fuel for city driving and the MG4 would use a lot less energy due to regen from start / stop driving but I just used their advertised combined efficiency to compare.
        
        If you do novated lease for the MG4 and are on higher tax bracket then it should be cheaper to own over 5 years. Insurance was actually cheaper on the MG4 than i30 when I did a quote to check.
Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 14:55

Can we assume if EVs get real popular, real quick fuel prices will drop?
- Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 15:16
  
  +1
  
  Can’t imagine it will drop much. They’ll just slow production to keep prices higher but at some point economy of scale needs to kick in.
  - garage sale on 28/12/2023 - 21:14
    
    no need to drop prices, as most people make the trips they need and you don’t have time to drive more. e.g instead of 10,000 km i’ll dive 20,000 km pa. petrol prices wont drop to try and increase consumption.
- Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:13
  
  Possible. Oil boys from middle east won't like it though….. They will do anything to keep it high(ish).
  - Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 17:39
    
    Anything, especially continually distributing misinformation about EVs to keep the under educated scared. I can’t wait to give oil the middle finger. I’ve already ditched petrol garden gear and will get an EV for my next car. I didn’t get one now because I have other lifestyle needs that aren’t catered for by EVs yet.
    - Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 17:54
      
      -1
      
      Everyone wants to give oil the middle finger. But if you think the Trumpoids ,the USA and the growing right wing climate change deniers will embrace any eco solutions your dreaming.
      If ppl were driven by enviro beneficial outcomes in any way shape of form we would not have voted the way we have for the last 3 decades, for one. So every minute as a species we get more 'I'm in it for myself'. The right is the refuge for such ppl.It's growing, not shrinking. Nations known for intelligence have capitualted. That lucrh is driven by primal adherence along nationalist tendencies, aka base instincts. Very base instincts. So rather than collectively breed less humans the theory is outbreed the others. In this maelstrom of problems in and around over population war,famine,climate issues,resource and eco exhaustion,water ,energy etc, the simple maths will do us in. The more time we waste (I think we missed it already) the sooner the crash test dummy of humanity ploughs into the wall.
      TLDR. EVs are a deck chair, with wheels on it
      - Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 18:07
        
        -1
        
        @Protractor:
        
        But if you think the Trumpoids ,the USA and the growing right wing climate change deniers will embrace any eco solutions your dreaming.
        
        They’re a lost cause. They’re actively shooting the self in the foot and will never get on board. Just got to outnumber them.
        
        Protractor on 28/12/2023 - 19:57
        
        -1
        
        @Euphemistic: Impossible, Christian nutjobs who breed like flies, while the opposite have 2 or 3 at most. And the guys with the guns will always rule the roost, and America, aka Trump. He has started to openly plagiarise Hitlers speeches.
barseeker on 28/12/2023 - 15:58

just get a hybrid ev battery is a lot cheeaper and easier to change yourself
Tleyx on 28/12/2023 - 17:04

These prices include labour a real man changes his own battery
Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:22

Make sure you factor in that Tesla in particular will give you a refurb battery for that price, even if it's within warranty!
dcep on 30/12/2023 - 19:00

Added BYD Atto3 to the list above albeit not from local.
- Euphemistic on 30/12/2023 - 20:31
  
  -1
  
  How does listing the price for a battery in another country using a different currency help us? We all know that stuff costs differently in Australia. Cars cost more, but also we have half decent consumer protection laws that mean manufacturers can’t hang you out to dry when something goes awry.
  
  It could cost 30-50% more for a battery here, just as much as we could be getting a good deal due to warranty rules and end up paying under the cost.
dcep on 03/01/2024 - 00:14

Added Lexus UX to the list above.
- Euphemistic on 03/01/2024 - 07:03
  
  Interesting you’ve added the Lexu sUX but omitted:
  
  Alternative EVs including the Ford Ranger ute see replacements priced at $12,000, while cheaper hatchbacks including the Hyundai i30 sell batteries for just $6,000.
  
  The article is obviously poorly researched. The ford ranger is a plug in hybrid and not coming until 2025 and the i30 is only apparently a mild hybrid.
  
  How can you trust the sUX figures? While ignoring the other misleading info?
whitepuma on 01/03/2024 - 19:09

Just today I was speaking to a Harley salesperson about the HD Livewire, took it for a test ride and was really fun to ride, was considering buying for the right price but when talking to the salesperson we reached an interesting stalemate.

I asked the following 2 questions:
Q1: how many years is the battery expected to last?
A: no idea, but I reckon more than 10
Note: the bike is already 4 years old

Q2a: how much would a battery swap cost on one of these if it ever needs one?
A: no idea, but you shouldnt worry about that, if you take good care of the bike and battery it will last longer than 10 years
Q2b: I know, and I plan to take care of it, but I still want to know what sort of price I would expect to pay if it eventually dies….most the bikes I have owned have been 10-20 years old, if one of them is going to have an expansive fee coming up I want to know if it's worth it, do you know anybody that can help me find this out?
A: no idea, nobody has ever done a battery swap on one of these, probably best to do research online.

My conclusion, I actually really like the bike, and would have bought it there on the spot, but I feel manufacturers need to put more effort into providing this sort of info as for people like myself this is a major factor in my decision. Apparently the battery in this case isn't even on the replacement parts list.

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