What Are EV Battery Replacement Costs for All Makes?

dcep on 25/12/2023 - 01:17
Last edited 03/01/2024 - 00:13 by 1 other user

Anyone know EV battery replacement costs for the likes of Tesla / Hyundai / Kia / BYD / MG, etc. (popular models like Model 3 / Y , ev6, ioniq, atto, zs, xc40)

There have been recent Canadian reports on Hyundai Ioniq costing them CAD$60k for battery replacement.

There is also UK articles quoting £35k for Jaguar i-Pace

And, BYD Atto 3 in Thailand quoting USD$25,918 for battery replacement.

For Local Prices:
Tesla Model 3 (2022)
Price: AUD$16,796.02 installed
Date Quoted: 2022
Ref: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/14763139/redir

Mitsubishi i-Miev (2009-2012)
Price: AUD$16k (from Mitsubishi) or AUD$12,950 installed (from 3rd Party incl. trade-in)
Date Quoted: 2021
Ref: https://youtu.be/Wy2vFrsMrPQ&t=178

Nissan Leaf (2012-2016)
Price: AUD$33k (Nissan Dealer Lennock) or AUD$9,990 plus labor via Nissan subsidised battery exchange program*
*T&C: Old battery must be working still with a state of health of 8 bars or less (TBC if subsidy program is still ongoing)
Date Quoted: 2019
Ref: https://thecarguy.com.au/nissan-leaf-battery/

Lexus UX
Price: AUD$ 43,476
Date Quoted: 2022
Ref: Link

… Hoh, forgot to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.

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Comments

    • Pikaloo on 25/12/2023 - 06:58
      +12

      Model 3, ~60 kWh is $16k installed for a replacement & install: https://www.facebook.com/groups/teslaownersaustralia/posts/4…

      Actual battery cost is $14,190.91
      Part Number: 1666969-00-C
      kWh: 60
      Cost per kWh: $236.51

      https://www.diyelectriccar.com/threads/tesla-model-3-battery…

      • jace88 on 25/12/2023 - 07:32

        Interesting… wonder how much a LR battery costs. Presumably a bit more.

      • wildstone on 26/12/2023 - 00:00

        Interesting that the labour cost is just a bit shy of a $1000. Thought it would be more than that.

      • Ham Dragon on 23/01/2024 - 14:54
        +1

        Have to wonder why a Powerwall is $11-15k for 14kWh when they can sell the 430% larger car version for a few grand more.

    • askbargain on 25/12/2023 - 13:28
      +3

      didn't help

    • [Deactivated] on 26/12/2023 - 10:01
      +5

      So you think a Tesla Model 3 battery which is 82kWh costs $82,000? The entire car costs less than that.

      • SBOB on 26/12/2023 - 10:30
        +10

        Trust them, they are an engineer.
        I'm also an engineer, and trust me, their broad brush assumptions don't work for most practical examples :)

        • ATTS on 26/12/2023 - 17:52
          -1

          Noob q but what is broad brush assumptions relating to the battery costs?

          • SBOB on 26/12/2023 - 19:03
            +2

            @ATTS: "you can generally expect to pay $1000 per kWh for batteries."

            That's a broad brush pricing assumption

            • ATTS on 26/12/2023 - 19:30

              @SBOB: Oh I see, thanks!

      • Exprise on 26/12/2023 - 11:55
        +5

        Yeah ok! Very different then. Apologies.

        Our modelling had translated across quite well for large scale applications and was inclusive of all labour to install the BESS.

        I got some quotes for home batteries too and it worked out at about $1k/kWh. I've seen raw batteries as low as $500 but this is news to me! Appreciate everyone's input.

        • Lichen6420 on 27/12/2023 - 07:17
          +4

          Yeah I need to mount a ~60kWh Tesla car battery to my wall at home for my house.

          I'd be happy to pay 17k for that much battery storage for my house.

          • Exprise on 27/12/2023 - 13:29
            +2

            @Lichen6420: When this is rolled out in large scale it will be awesome. I've been waiting for V2G for years!
            No need to mount your car battery, just plug it in and use bidirectional flow (store PV in your car then car powers house). Use of apps, scheduling and limits you can find a good balance where you have juice to drive and avoid most energy charges! 🥂

            • Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:15
              +2

              @Exprise: This is a nice dream but every time you use the battery it will lose some range. You'd have to factor that in to your ROI calcs.

              • Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 17:24

                @Naigrabzo: Sure they lose some, but it’s not a lot with modern battery chemistries. Batteries are lasting a lot longer than expected.

                • Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:25

                  @Euphemistic: This is a handwave type of explanation. If this person drains their battery fully every day, it will degrade fast.

                  • Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 17:36

                    @Naigrabzo: That is also a disingenuous example. Most cars have stupidly large amounts of range to travel well under 100km per day.

                    What your suggesting is akin to having to fill an ICE fuel tank from empty every day. It just doesn’t happen in most cases. How often do you fill your fuel tank now? I’m gonna guess around fortnightly, so that probably means realistically you need a full charge once a week. (mine is closer to monthly). If you keep the battery between 20-80% charge it lasts a lot longer (and charges quicker).

              • Exprise on 28/12/2023 - 23:29

                @Naigrabzo: Definitely, cost per kWh vs cost per km.

                Most batteries should last 10,000 cycles or 10 years. Again this is based on standalone power systems but should be similar to EVs.

                With rising energy costs it should definitely be considered

                • Naigrabzo on 22/01/2024 - 14:08
                  -1

                  @Exprise: The battery lasting 10 years is the issue. Then the warranty will be gone and car will have significantly reduced capability/range. Battery replacement will be expensive and probably not worth the labour costs especially in a car with a structural battery pack.

                  Compare that to my ICE car from 2011. 200k and I expect another 200k without any issues. No huge battery replacement like costs etc.

                  • Euphemistic on 22/01/2024 - 16:01
                    +1

                    @Naigrabzo: But will it only last 10years? No one really knows yet. Some early EVs are still going strong. Early Nissan Leaf models weren’t so good as they didn’t have active battery management and pretty much had first generation lithium batteries as well. The tech has moved on a long way since then.

                    • Naigrabzo on 22/01/2024 - 16:17

                      @Euphemistic: So that means we are speculating from your perspective.

                      Those early EVs are really quite unusable exept for grocery runs. You can't do long trips, park outside for 3 weeks (which I just did with my ICE), use in extreme cold, park in extreme heat outside etc etc.
                      For an expensive car > 50k this is unacceptable lifetime use. Personally I am not happy to pay that much for speculation on how long it will last.

                      Typically, my ICE cars (and yours also) would be completely usable for any use even after 10 years even after 15 years.

                      • Euphemistic on 22/01/2024 - 16:37
                        +1

                        @Naigrabzo: Yes it is a bit of speculation, but signs from current EV users seems to be that batteries will survive plenty long enough. I think it was Nissan saying they can’t get enough battery cells for recycling because the batteries are lasting much longer than expected.

                        Yes, it’s true that an ICE will easily last 30years and that’s a good thing.

                        Give it another 5 years and we’ll really be getting a good idea of battery longevity.

                        • Naigrabzo on 22/01/2024 - 18:04

                          @Euphemistic: Yep, and I will state once and for all. I am not happy to pay >50k for this sort of speculation. Other people are more than happy I can see and joy to them.

                          While batteries are lasting a long time, there is no meaning in a battery that can't make the car go 400km without stopping. For me the meaning of having a car is not there if it can only do 150km before needing a long period of charging.

                          Also there is absolutely no value in a rubbish battery out of warranty. To make matters worse, you won't be able to get that data in 5 years. Battery capacity cannot be easily measured using current technology.

                          To make things even more interesting manufacturers can introduce software updates which adjusts the range upwards to 'hide' the battery degredation from the user. For example you can just program some code to adjust the range up by 2% per year. That's why there are reports of Teslas showing 101% battery capacity after one year. Which universe does this sort of physics exist? ;)

    • Drakesy on 26/12/2023 - 14:36
      +3

      You're giving engineers a bad name

      • Exprise on 26/12/2023 - 18:30

        😅😅😅 could be though I did mention this was based on SPS not cars.
        These costs are based off standalone power systems from 50kWh up to a few hundred kWh.

        My e-scooter has a 1.5kWh battery and that costs $1.5k to replace.

        BMS and storage must be cheaper for cars. It's great news for the consumers.

      • drprox on 27/12/2023 - 11:56
        +1

        they mostly do it on their own "trust me"

    • Eeples on 27/12/2023 - 16:08

      I'm an engineer (trust me)

      An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam (argument against shame), is a form of argument in which the mere fact that an influential figure holds a certain position is used as evidence that the position itself is correct.[1] While it is not a valid form of logical proof…..

      • Exprise on 27/12/2023 - 23:44
        +1

        I was more going for the lols and memery though some people prefer to see the statement in this light

    • npnp on 28/12/2023 - 03:05
      +2

      While it's true there are EV haters trolling at every problem they come across blowing them out of proportion, it's also true that this whole EV demand world has seen last few years is also thanks to some well paid clever marketing and EV fan boys who'd praise benefits hiding the massive disadvantages under the carpet like no tomorrow. I have always preferred electrified vehicles for the good things of them (have been driving a Prius for over 10 years now), but sware that I'd never buy an EV until it's practical (charge times and range). Tell me this, how on earth people flock to buy an unreliable car that needs 8 hrs to charge but only has 300 km real world range (and sold in millions already!?) Now that's real blowing out of proportion as far as I'm concerned.

    • DoubleU743 on 28/12/2023 - 12:04
      +1

      While the tip turned out to not be applicable to EV batteries, I at least appreciate the guy's helpful intention, and it is an interesting thing to look out for when looking at berries

      • DoubleU743 on 28/12/2023 - 12:07
        +1

        *batteries

        Plus the guy wasn't using his fact to correct/price wrong another ozbargainer.

        Merry post Christmas!

    • 811b11e8 on 28/12/2023 - 16:45

      Lmao your on ozbargain and paying full retail price for batteries. 1000 per kWh is what the an electrician would charge you to connect it up to your house. That's probably including the suppliers profit, the importers profit, distributors profit, shipping to your house and your electricians charges to install it. Probably also includes inverter costs and cabling too.

      Buying a battery direct from Tesla for a car is going to be significantly less people taking a cutt.

  • Euphemistic on 25/12/2023 - 06:44
    -2

    Why? Most will have a good long warranty. Not many are out of warranty yet. They are last longer than expected.

    • techno2000 on 25/12/2023 - 08:34
      +5

      If you see the youtube video, both cases had a minor accident and got a few scratches and dents on the battery protector plate. Just the plate mind you.The battery was most likely fine.

      They were then advised that entire battery had to be replaced and quoted a CAD $56k cost and hence the entire car had to be written off by the Insurance company.

      The scratches and dents are considered as physical damage and not covered by the warranty.

      I dont know how these Auto companies expect us to buy Electric cars with this kind of looting going on.

      • donga100 on 25/12/2023 - 09:19
        -4

        So it's just typical insurance fraud that happens with all cars?

        • lordra on 25/12/2023 - 11:10

          Fraud by the insurance companies you mean?

          • donga100 on 25/12/2023 - 20:03
            +9

            @lordra: Writing off vehicles isn't what generates profits for insurance companies. Grossly exaggerating the work required tends to benefit the repairers doing the work or the manufacturer selling a replacement car and has been the norm for insurance claims for a long time. There is a reason repairers ask if you are repairing privately or through an insurer.

    • JIMB0 on 25/12/2023 - 11:47
      +9

      OP is just trolling to stir the pot.

    • dcep on 25/12/2023 - 13:41
      +10

      Not that it's relevant to OP but given the response here, it's almost like a sin to be asking this question.

      To answer you, It could very likely form part of the cost of ownership and i prefer to know them upfront as I would like to own my next car for a longer term, or in case it got written off just for a small dent.

      Not everyone changes car everytime the warranty ends or buying it new to begin with. The second hand EV market is growing overtime hence further justifies asking this question that still deemed as ridiculous by some.

      • Euphemistic on 25/12/2023 - 15:03
        +4

        Do you factor in engine replacement on an ICE car? It’s basically the same thing.

        • techno2000 on 25/12/2023 - 20:31
          +9

          How is it basically the same thing? Engine replacement for a 2 year old ICE car for a dent on the bonnet?

          • Euphemistic on 25/12/2023 - 21:14
            +13

            @techno2000: You can rip the sump and transmission pan off an ICE and wipe out the drivetrain just the same, but probably more common than damaging a battery because the battery has a protection plate.

            Just because this particular video points out they replaced the battery at exorbitant cost doesn’t mean that it was the appropriate repair or cost. Don’t forget there is a lot of disinformation out there peddled by fossil fuel companies aimed purely at preventing EV uptake. Is this particular video false? Probably not. But is it ‘click bait’. Absolutely yes, it’s used an extreme example and plays loosely with facts.

            It’s not at all common. If it was common, there would be a lot more credible coverage of it.

            • Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:28

              @Euphemistic: This is a highly biased assessment to rip a sump off! LOL. That made my day.

              Some here pretend that they have never owned an ICE car. It's hilarious.

              • Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 17:31

                @Naigrabzo: It’s just as likely as damaging a battery from underneath. I’ve seen the sump get ripped off a car. It just seems uncommon because it’s not a big story so nope reports. There are thousands of car failures every day around the place but you only hear about it if it causes a traffic delay or fatality.

        • dcep on 26/12/2023 - 00:52
          +1

          Do you factor in engine replacement on an ICE car?

          Yes, if it's RX8.

          No, if it's ozb's 20yo Camry.

          It’s basically the same thing.

          Great wisdom. Go ahead with you do you and teach your children that.

          • brandt on 28/12/2023 - 12:08

            @dcep: Something comparable to cost of a Telsa Model 3 is a BMW 320i. Replacement engine on that is about $20k + 7k labour. You can also get a used engine from a scrapped car anywhere from 5k to 15k.

        • ddilrat on 26/12/2023 - 01:23

          Lol brah

        • Hangryuman on 26/12/2023 - 14:05
          +1

          yeah - I thought about replacing the engine in my 30yo Honda Civic when it started to develop an oil leak - but instead I sold it for about what I paid for it.

        • npnp on 26/12/2023 - 23:19
          +3

          No it's not. How often do you hear someone having to replace ICE engine just outside 160K mileage? If I compare Toyota warranty (7 years unlimited km) vs Tesla (7 years 160K), how likely will I come across a battery replacement situation within this 7 years ownership outside of 160K and having to pay thousands for Tesla for that? I know it's not a fair comparison (Toyota reliability vs Tesla reliability - Day vs Night) but still, the point is clear.

          • Euphemistic on 26/12/2023 - 23:54
            +3

            @npnp:

            How often do you hear someone having to replace ICE engine just outside 160K mileage?

            It happens IN warranty more than you probably think, it’s just not clickbait video worthy and is usually quickly and easily rectified. No one bats an eye.

            The major difference with EVs is that the bots and trolls jump on every tiny little problem and blow it out of proportion.

            • npnp on 28/12/2023 - 03:01
              +1

              @Euphemistic: While it's true there are EV haters trolling at every problem they come across blowing them out of proportion, it's also true that this whole EV demand world has seen last few years is also thanks to some well paid clever marketing and EV fan boys who'd praise benefits hiding the massive disadvantages under the carpet like no tomorrow. I have always preferred electrified vehicles for the good things of them (have been driving a Prius for over 10 years now), but sware that I'd never buy an EV until it's practical (charge times and range). Tell me this, how on earth people flock to buy an unreliable car that needs 8 hrs to charge but only has 300 km real world range (and sold in millions already!?) Now that's real blowing out of proportion as far as I'm concerned.

              • Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 07:22
                +5

                @npnp:

                Tell me this, how on earth people flock to buy an unreliable car that needs 8 hrs to charge but only has 300 km real world range (and sold in millions already!?) Now that's real blowing out of proportion as far as I'm concerned.

                You’ve been listening to the ibots and trolls too much.

                1. They aren’t any more unreliable than ICE. Fact is they’re proving more reliable - outside Tesla. Pretty sure it was head of Nissan that said they can’t get enough batteries for their recycle plant because they’re lasting much longer than expected. Other than that theirs is much less to go wrong mechanically. Sure they’re more complex electrically, but so are new ICE cars.
                2. Taking 8hrs to charge is only at home on a wall charger which you do overnight while sleeping. Fast charger will charge current EVs in an hour. Most EV owners rarely ‘wait to charge’. They’re off doing something else.
                3. 300km range is more than sufficient for the vast majority of car use. Not very many people drive more than 100km per day. If you’ve got a driveway, your car is fully charged EVERY MORNING. I know an EV owner that regularly travels between NSW south coast, Sydney and port Macquarie. She said rarely stops for more than 30min to charge, often 10min. A 10min rapid charge won’t fully charge but gives her enough range to get to detonation and charge overnight.

                Your 8hrs and 300km charge bulldist is absolutely a result of listening to misinformation. OK, maybe you want to go 300km in a day once a week, but the vast majority of drivers DO NOT DO THAT. By repeating those points you’re just feeding the trolls even if your unusual usage case means 300km range and overnight charging isn’t suitable.

                An eV is the perfect city commuter car. Never visit a servo again. Very efficient, quiet and low servicing needs. The massive take up in Europe is prime example, Norway has something like 80% of new vehicles as EVs. EVs are just better for MOST drivers - and besides that in our 2 car households in Aus, having one Ev and one ICE makes sense right now if you love long road trips, towing etc. .

    • AustriaBargain on 25/12/2023 - 15:04

      And by the time the warranty does expire or they do break, what will petrol prices be?

      • Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:19
        +1

        No one knows that for sure. If you have a working ICE car, you should definitely keep and observe the market. Let the early adopters take the risk.

        This generation of electric cars could be complete failures for all we know.

        If a new battery tech comes along, these would be obsolete and no one will want to replace your obsolete battery etc.

        • Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 17:29
          +1

          No one knows that for sure. If you have a working ICE car, you should definitely keep and observe the market. Let the early adopters take the risk.

          The early adopters are loving them. Aussies are way behind. Norway has over 80% of new passenger vehicles sold EV.

          This generation of electric cars could be complete failures for all we know.

          We’re effectively in second generation. First gen had no battery thermal management and batteries degraded quite quickly. Now they do, they are lasting 200-300k km.

          If a new battery tech comes along, these would be obsolete and no one will want to replace your obsolete battery etc.

          But they might want to replace it with better batteries. Again, they already do this for early leaf and imievs. The rest of the car is in good condition and you can get better range and longevity with new ones. I’m sure popular models will have battery upgrades available. After all, if you get the shape right, it only need to connect a couple of flexible leads. I’ll bet when ICE cars first came out there wasn’t a lot of engine swapping either.

  • payless69 on 25/12/2023 - 08:52
    +1

    Wait, there is more:
    Some guy hit a branch that ripped off a cooling hose from his Tesla battery. Tesla wanted 21k for the part.
    Rich from the electrified garage did repair it for a small fraction.
    Just to all Elon bashers out there!

    • boomramada on 25/12/2023 - 09:19
      +2

      Pretty soon we need to duplicate Rich from the electrified garage everywhere in the world.

      Doesn't matter if its a Tesla or Merc, dealership repairs cost money.

      • Franc-T on 27/12/2023 - 17:38

        True, but I dont feel comfortable buying replacement batteries that are worked on by amateurs. Look at ebay battery repacks and now nasty they can be.

        That said 100% id be happy with a battery that was tested and installed by a suitable third party

        • Euphemistic on 27/12/2023 - 19:59
          +1

          There’s already at least on reputable business in qld doing leaf and imiev battery upgrades. It’s only time before it becomes more common.

          I’d imagine it will mostly be businesses buying wrecks, testing the battery modules and then installing, that will compete with dealers.

    • AustriaBargain on 25/12/2023 - 15:04

      There was also the car that caught fire after something on the road pierced the bottom of the Tesla. They armour the bottoms now iirc.

      • payless69 on 25/12/2023 - 19:55
        -2

        Elon the people roaster.
        Being the most hated man in San Francisco he is happy now in Texas.
        Downunder his batteries tend to burn in Victoria and Queensland.

        • miwahni on 25/12/2023 - 22:25
          +9

          From drive.com.au - From 2010 to June 2023, EV FireSafe recorded 393 verified passenger EV battery fires across the world, of which only four were in Australia. One was linked to arson and the other three vehicles were parked in structures that burned down.

          As for the two fires in September 2023, one was caused by a damaged EV battery that had been removed from the vehicle. The other vehicle that caught fire also had a damaged battery, having been pierced by a large piece of road debris after the vehicle was struck at high speed by the tailshaft of a truck.

          • payless69 on 26/12/2023 - 04:00
            +1

            @miwahni: So Elon needs to spend 4 years in an Oz jail according to bargainhuntress.
            I for not informing his customers of possible arson,
            3 for not telling them of dangers from burning structures.
            Maybe she hates him for some cave rescue comment?

          • Mozzmanau on 27/12/2023 - 19:16

            @miwahni: What about the truck that caught for on the freeway in Melbourne? Due to faulty battery. Thermal runway

            • Euphemistic on 27/12/2023 - 20:00
              +5

              @Mozzmanau: What about the five ICE trucks that caught fire on the M1 in the last month?

              Disclaimer: may not be 5 but there’s been a quite few in local news.

  • SBOB on 25/12/2023 - 09:09
    +3

    For a new vehicle purchase?
    Seems like current price wouldn't necessarily be representative of any replacement cost in the distant future should it be needed, post warranty/expected km(charge) lifetime
    Or on a new vehicle following an accident,.which would be under an insurance claim, seems irrelevant.

    • 7ekn00 on 25/12/2023 - 12:33
      +1

      Until you realise any small dent on the underside of the vehicle = write off or a repair bill more than cost of new vehicle ;)

      Sure, it's irrelevant that new cars with minor damage are being written off and consumers left out of pocket and with no car :P

      • brendanm on 25/12/2023 - 16:39

        Why would you be out of pocket?

        • 7ekn00 on 25/12/2023 - 17:18
          +2

          Pay $80k for a new car, insurance at market value - guess what market value is for a 6-12 month old EV?!? - $60k max …

          So when you get a scratch in the battery guard, your car is "written off" and you are paid market value (not the $80k you paid) …

          You end up without a car and in debt :/ Watch the OP video - Mr Hsu is in that exact position :/

          • brendanm on 25/12/2023 - 18:02
            +1

            @7ekn00: Why would you insure at market value?

          • serpserpserp on 25/12/2023 - 18:32
            +1

            @7ekn00: Why does the car stop working with a scratch in the battery guard?

            • 7ekn00 on 25/12/2023 - 18:35
              +2

              @serpserpserp: Because the dealer flags it as unsafe and no longer able to register vehicle ;)

              Any damage to the "battery guard" (the steel pan underneath the car) is deemed a "risk" to the battery = car written off ;)

              Might be worth watching the linked video above, that channel has 5 examples in similar situation to Mr Hsu in Canada …

              • serpserpserp on 25/12/2023 - 21:26

                @7ekn00: If they write it off and it is still under warranty they don't get a new car? Pretty sure a steel guard would be replaceable

                • 7ekn00 on 25/12/2023 - 22:20

                  @serpserpserp: If you say so, easy to say without watching the issues in the video ;)

                  I am sure the people discussed in the above video had no such big brain idea themselves :P

                • garage sale on 28/12/2023 - 20:37

                  @serpserpserp: if a car is written off, someone will buy at auction and fix up i’d it’s a minor issue and batteries aren’t damaged. The skill set to do repairs is probably thin on the ground as mechanics would need to become electrical engineers for the batteries and motor and electronic engineers for the controls. the upskill will,take a while. there will be many changes over the next 10 years in the automotive industry, and challenge for ol’ timers to adapt. a friend described EV as batteries, motor and really good software, very different to ICE.

                  • Euphemistic on 28/12/2023 - 22:42

                    @garage sale: I don’t believe it’ll be that much different for the majority of parts. Modern ICE has a lot of computer controls. Modern mechanics just replace stuff until it’s fixed. Similar for EVs. If it doesn’t work, replace the module. It may be easier to diagnose what’s failed if the software is good enough.

                    The big different with EVs is the high voltage and the battery pack and this will need new skills and training.

          • ddilrat on 26/12/2023 - 01:26
            -1

            @7ekn00: It's called agreed price

  • Cluster on 25/12/2023 - 10:44
    +9

    People think 'oh, no worries, insurance will cover the $60k', as if it's some sort of magical infinite money pool. If too many people start claiming enormous repair or replacement costs because the car is disposable as soon as the battery or battery cover is damaged, insurance companies will increase costs for all customers who have that model.

    You could be the most careful and lucky driver in the world who never has an accident, but still have your wallet gouged because year old cars are being written off due to a damaged battery cover.

  • pegaxs on 25/12/2023 - 12:25

    Outrage click bait article by anti-EV mouthpiece. For maximum circle-jerking, just wait for John "In it for the outrage algorithm" Cadogan to post a video about it.

    And I am sure as shit that a large portion of this price is made up of "we really dont want the job/would have to get someone in who is EV qualified to repair it" tax and a healthy smattering of "insurance job cream" layered over the top.

    Run over something in your ICE car that damages the engine and transmission sumps that causes them to leak oil till they run dry and seize and destroy themselves and go get a quote on replacing both of them from a dealer… But there doesn't seem to be to many "news" articles about these kind of prices…

    And for context, the insurance company would probably still have written the vehicle off if the battery replacement was half this and still quoted to be over 50% of the cost of a replacement vehicle.

    I'm not saying it wouldn't be expensive, as it would be, but it needs to be in context and comparisons made on equivalent damage to similar non-EVs.

  • dcep on 25/12/2023 - 13:09
    +18

    Jesus everyone read the title, this is not about anti-EV or EV vs ICE. So, calm your hose off and don't jump the gun going all defensive.

    There is nothing malicious or ulterior motives going on behind this from simply asking the cost of EV battery replacement.

    Merry Christmas and Sorry if i ruined your Christmas. I didn't mean to stir any stew pot.

    Will collate and update the OP along the way from your input on the prices. Thanks.

    • Bignudge on 25/12/2023 - 13:48
      +12

      I 100% agree with you. There definitely needs to be a list/database of quotes/pricing for repairs on different models and brands of electric cars. I find that information on these cars are very limited to the public or at least hiding in a gated forumn from 4 years ago. It'll be nice to contemporarily see how much repairs will cost to better determine the feasibility of a purchase.

      E.g…. The cost to replace a Tesla Model 3 battery? Motor? Computer? Direct from Tesla VS aftermarket? The best I could find are Facebook comments and Whirlpool forums from years ago. What about a battery replacement for an Mercedes EQS? Goodluck finding that out lol.

      But if it was say an engine replacement for a Toyota Camry… you could estimate that quite easily calling around the wreckers/mechanics.

      TLTR; We need better transparency with EVs as they are "new" and repairs kept "exclusive" to dealers.

    • Euphemistic on 25/12/2023 - 15:08
      +7

      There is nothing malicious or ulterior motives going on behind this from simply asking the cost of EV battery replacement.

      Be that as it may, it unfortunately plays into the antiEV trolls laps. The linked video is a clickbait worst case and the algorithms just love it.

      If you’ve never asked for the replacement cost for an ICE engine, you shouldn’t be asking about battery replacement either.

      BUT, we really aren’t far enough in to the EV journey to be asking this question. There aren’t enough old EVs (out of warranty) needing batteries replaced yet.

      • dcep on 26/12/2023 - 02:06
        +4

        So you're saying the $60k quotes from dealers are doctored and fake ?

        If you’ve never asked for the replacement cost for an ICE engine, you shouldn’t be asking about battery replacement either.

        You do you and be ignorant as you want.

        I will keep asking what is the cost because i prefer to know what amount i could be dealing with when things do happen.

        • Euphemistic on 26/12/2023 - 05:44

          I’m not saying the $60k didn’t happen. It’s just likely that it’s not a realistic example. Insurance jobs are often priced way over because they have to replace every single thing at the full manufacturers listed price. Ie they won’t leave a part that is usable but damaged and will often replace an item rather than repair it. Plus we don’t have a good network of EV repairers yet and they probably charged like wounded bulls to upskill while they did the job.

          What manufacturer is going to sell a vehicle at a price that will not cover most of its costs. Sure, they have loss leaders but no one is going to sell a car for $70k if the battery alone costs $60k.

          You do you and be ignorant as you want.
          I will keep asking what is the cost because i prefer to know what amount i could be dealing with when things do happen.

          That’s fair enough, but replacing an EV battery is pretty unlikey, especially in the first 10 years of ownership. That’s why they provide a warranty for that long. My comment that you don’t ask the price of a replacement ICE engine or gearbox is because it’s highly unlikely, just like having to pay for a new battery out of pocket is very unlikely.

          As I alluded to elsewhere, there’s two important things to note in the EV space right now. The first is a lot of misinformation and clickbait heavily influenced by fossil fuel promoters. Anything anti-EV goes viral wether it’s true or not and the keyboard warriors come out in force. The other thing is that we don’t have a full industry of knowledge and experience repairing many of these cars because they are so new and haven’t needed it yet. There’s virtually no third party market for repairs yet for most models.

          There’s a reason why you can find imiev and leaf battery replacement costs easily but not Tesla etc. they’ve been around and enthusiasts have got replacement batteries because their early tech wasn’t optimised and they need replacing. Plus, not many want to repair a Tesla, they’d rather pull the good batteries and motors out an put them in classic conversions - of which there’s a decent growing market. There aren’t many Tesla’s requiring battery replacement out of warranty yet either.

          • Nugs on 26/12/2023 - 10:21

            @Euphemistic: "replacing an EV battery is pretty unlikey, especially in the first 10 years of ownership. That’s why they provide a warranty for that long."
            so they expect it to last 10 years and one month? :)
            not sure about car batteries given might be different materials and chemistries etc, but Tesla quote a 70% capacity expectation at 10 years for powerwall 2. It might become problematic to have 70% of your car range at 10 years of age.
            I'm not anti EV, but they don't suit me mainly from an upfront cost perspective
            .

          • ass3ts on 26/12/2023 - 18:06

            @Euphemistic: I had 2 Performance Model S Teslas that needed the main batteries replaced under warranty in the past. Took them around 2 months to ship the 500-600 kg packs from USA. I sold them as soon as they went out of their new car warranties (not the battery warranties) as I was getting the other known issues as well.

    • idonotknowwhy on 26/12/2023 - 13:11
      +1

      There is nothing malicious or ulterior motives going on behind this from simply asking the cost of EV battery replacement.

      100% agreed.
      I've noticed that it's difficult to have rational discussions like this online these days.
      There seems to be a some wave of anti-intellectualism going on.

      P.S. that Nissan Leaf for 33k is insane! Feels like you're buying a battery with wheels added on lol

      • Euphemistic on 26/12/2023 - 15:08
        +2

        There seems to be a some wave of anti-intellectualism going on.

        There’s a wave of clickbait anti EV stuff that’s been started by fossil fuel interests and is now propagated by people who aren’t critically thinking.

        Are EVs perfect? Absolutely not. Are they as bad as the clickbait say? Equally not. Is EV right for everyone now? No, but ICE is still available too.

        • idonotknowwhy on 26/12/2023 - 20:07
          +1

          There’s a wave of clickbait anti EV stuff that’s been started by fossil fuel interests and is now propagated by people who aren’t critically thinking.

          Okay, I'll take your word for it (I'm not really following it closely). I haven't really heard a lot of negativity around EVs.

          This isn't what OP is doing though, it seems like they're comparing the costs of replacement batteries for different manufacturers.

          If I were in the market for a new car, I'd be doing the same thing, and if one is much cheaper to replace than the others, that would be a significant factor in my decision too.

          Are EVs perfect? Absolutely not. Are they as bad as the clickbait say? Equally not. Is EV right for everyone now? No, but ICE is still available too

          Agreed. I went with ICE last time because I buy used / cheaper cars and EVs were still pretty new. Next car will probably be an EV, especially if I can get one with mechanical buttons, analogue speedo, etc.

    • Naigrabzo on 28/12/2023 - 17:22

      Some peoples feelings get hurt because some of them got their EVs when some thought it would appreciate in value over time Especially during COVID etc.

      It's the investment AMG equivalent of EV. Those boys are constantly defending EVs.

      • garage sale on 28/12/2023 - 20:48

        a car made on a production line appreciating in value ? doubt EV buyers buy as an investment, like all commodity cars, they are rolling off production lines , new models come out and they depreciate. these aren’t limited editions. Early adopters pay extra, like mobile phone buyers but that is a decision people make because they get enjoyment from their purchase.

    • Sammyboy on 29/12/2023 - 09:15

      Welcome to ozb lol

  • darshu on 25/12/2023 - 13:43
    +4

    We, `Ozbargainers, dont care about the longevity of EV batteries. We have enough Panasonic Eneloop batteries to power our cars.

    • smpantsonfire on 26/12/2023 - 00:43

      I’d love to see the recharging station setups of some ob’s

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