Mini led aka poor man’s oled, should be still quite a bit better than normal ips monitors
Other non mini led one https://store.acer.com/en-au/acer-27-vg271u-m3-ips-gaming-mo…
Acer Nitro XV275U P3 27" MiniLED Gaming Monitor QHD 170Hz $599 / VG271U 27” QHD 180Hz IPS $299 Delivered @ Acer Store
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Much worse HDR implementation for gaming and visually complex and constrasting video, much worse dark room performance. Peak 2% brightness is the same as existing OLED technology, though presumably SDR/HDR 100% white measurements are lower, but do you want the sense of a flashbang, or to actually be flashbanged?
LCDs and LEDs can burn in, by the way… just way less likely to happen in a typical monitor lifetime.
All that being said, it's also like half the price of an OLED :P
Yeah it's workable for cinematic HDR content, but its effective motion quality is half for SDR content, and blurry as hell for HDR content due to LED response times.
In that context, half price makes some sense, though I'm expecting price drops soon.
@jasswolf: You are here spewing generic anti-anything-but-oled fanboi nonsense and clearly havent done 5 seconds research into this actual monitor. My favourite is when you tried to hand wave around burn in by saying it can happen to lcds, lol. Sure. With 985x the exposure time on a static image you're right. Well done.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xv272u-kvb…
Rtings rates the response times of this particular device as "exceptional". Yes, oled is still the technical king but youre reaching ACHKTUALLY territory, and you could parade sround saying it on literally any non oled monitor post, which seems to be your bag, baby.
We get it. You like oled. But let other tech yet some food in dey mouth. Aiight?
@Ademos: Rtings is currently testing the 4K version of this monitor, keen to see how it goes and how it compares to the Coolermaster and KTC (which seem to not be available in Australia?)
@Ademos: Almost forgot to get around to this: you're not linking the correct model. There are two concerns that need to be checked for with miniLED implementations:
- how the blooming effectively impacts response times and motion clarity if you want to game in HDR at a high refresh rate, and this is across the board AFAIK
- any image processing lag introduced when HDR is enabled that will impact input latency, and this varies (though it can be virtually zero in a proper implementation)
Rtings rates the response times of this particular device as "exceptional"
Rtings testing is flawed and that masks flaws with IPS response times, but their scoring is extremely misleading. I've covered the former a fair bit on OzB, so feel free to search my comments. You can see how flawed their system is just by comparing the motion pursuit photos they take. Pound for pound, IPS tends to be the worst technology for responsiveness at a given refresh rate with modern panels, but it's more of a crapshoot as you get to lower refresh rates.
With 985x the exposure time on a static image you're right. Well done.
You might want to look at the testing on cheap IPS. It's probably still not going to happen - which I thought my statement implied well enough - but it's not impossible. Not that you'd look at any modern burn-in testing and critiques on how the few testers that still bother have been mucking up their methodologies, by their own admission no less.
Burn-in will still be a factor over the lifespan for an OLED monitor, but I think it's being severely overstated unless you're leaving the screen active and at high brightness for most of your day and taking zero precautions.
@jasswolf: Mm, at around this price it's pretty much right for me although I'll wait for a bigger sale. No reviews for this specific model puts me off unfortunately. OLED is nice but it's hard for me to justify paying the extra. Maybe if it was a few hundred cheaper, because we've had an OLED TV for a while now and I'm still questioning whether it was worth the extra expense lol. I could swing around $700 for a new display but that's about my limit.
I'm not picky with blur since I've been gaming on a 60 Hz monitor for so long now, almost every monitor is going to be an upgrade in that department :P Sometimes it pays to stay behind the curve I guess :P
How in gods name did you bend yourself into bringing 2% brightnesses and a full screen flashbang effect into the same sentence, with a straight face.
That goes beyond being a simple mistake and well into the deliberately, wilfully misleading oled fan boi territory.
Go on. Tell the class the 100% figures. I dare you. I double dare you.
They're 250 nits for 100% white, which is the hardest thing for QD-OLED to do. Again, I ask: what is the point of regularly pushing that past 250-400 nits… you want specular highlights, you don't want the experience of a whole panel flashing at you with the relative brightness of staring at the sun.
What you'll find over the next few years is that for both energy and medical safety reasons, they'll start restraining HDR by default despite the fact there are movies mastered today in a 10,000 nit container, probably via the ambient light sensors.
But 100% peak white has limited scope in most real scenes, and RTings do manage to evidence this in their TV testing. Here's a miniLED IPS of equivalent specs to this monitor up against 1st gen QD-OLED.
So in truth, today's OLED technologies perform better in most actual content, with the obvious exception being graphics or video that feature a lot of white or extremely bright/light tones at high brightness. This is a concern for HDR in scenes involving lots of white-ish sand, or snow, but a far bigger concern is scenes that aggressively trigger ABL mechanisms.
Going over to SDR, the only people needing more than 180 nits - let alone 200 or 250 - are people using screens under high-strength lighting, or actually outside, where you'd ideally want up to 1000 nits to combat direct sunlight on a clear day in summer. So you're driving for standards that allow people to get the almost the same visual experience from a dark room through to an atrium - but will of course fail to perfectly because external light will refract into the panel and bloom pure black imagery - but you're stripping away a lot of visual fidelity to accomplish it.
So we've got a panel which virtually eliminates HDR blooming, does it at lightning response times, offers virtually 0 nit black (you have to account for some light scattering in the glass even with a polariser), and trades some of the increasingly searing brightness at full field for better contrast within the image and sometimes far greater colour volume (2nd gen QD-OLED monitors are at 86% rec.2020). Significant burn in or panel dim after say 7-10 years seems like a good trade off once these monitors start sliding into the $600-$800 range for QHD 240Hz and 360Hz.
If you don't have the kind of money or will alternate between HDR movies and SDR games, this is better value for your spend, but certainly not an equivalent experience once you dig into content or stretch beyond those bounds… not even close. But sure, you've got the nuanced take, I believe you.
@jasswolf: Ive been diwn this road with you before. Your blunt claims of it being even remotely comparable in anything but a dank cave is distilled horse shit.
Nobody in the real world has ever gone to their i.t department saying "hey champs, i think my monitors too bright".
Now what do you think they say.
Literally. Nobody. Cares. About true color accuracy at 150 nits or whatever. Yes. Pepple do want their faces blown off by bright explosions and hyper neon animsted movies, are you high?
You know what virtually eliminates blooming? Modern mini led. X95k or x95l tvs for instance. Albeit thats a few years away from monitors still.
Im tired of combating your repeated bullshit claims against anything anti oled (like "losing significant fidelity") repeatedly. Every time. Its just more useful for pepple to understand nearly every paragraph written is through the lense of an extremist snob willing to bend or outright break the truth.
Get hold of quality-clips of your games (or high-graphic games) & test play them via these monitors…even better with oled & mini-led monitors side-by-side @ a shop ?
SEE-it for yourself & take comments/reviews as a guide-only 🤔
Do any shops even demo monitors if you ask these days? The dozen or so times I've gone looking, they only had either the halo tier stuff or bog standard office monitor kind of stuff on display. I've asked the staff and the reply is usually nah, they don't do demos for specific models.
May be I got lucky…may be some-salesmen are more accommodating. Will try gaming-monitors soon.
In Oct-23, I test-demo 2023 Transformers movie: PSA-encoder…those who download torrents know the quality of this encoder. It was @ JB-Hifi Adelaide store. They had many 4K TVs daisy-chain: oled & mini-led nearby & some were side-by-side.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p/AF1QipPSzC1mfxGYtgGjyitF…
The Dell is only 75Hz, probably matters to gamers
Acer Nitro XV275U P3 27" MiniLED Gaming Monitor QHD 170Hz
384 local dimming zones for those wondering.
Honestly hdr gaming on pc is over rated and support between title's varies wildly anyway. The visual difference even on an oled screen is minimal.
Just send it in SDR. Pretty much all mid tier monitors that offer hdr shouldnt really ever be used in hdr mode. Theyre generally well behind the t.v tech/experience even with the same number of zones etc.
In that mode a mini led monitor should still excel.
I agree about the current state of HDR gaming on PC, whereas consoles enjoy wide support for true HDR games.
When using OLED, I find the improvements to SDR contrast more impactful since that’s 95% of the content I consume.
Waiting for 27" QHD with USB daisy chain!
I guess this isn't the same as the GP27Q and KTC M27T20 since those have 576 local dimming zones. The 4K version has 576 zones, though, which is weird.
AOC 27G2SP 27" 165Hz IPS…& wait for larger ebay-discount-> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185787022100
1080P is SO under-rated for 27"…guess why the gaming industry (& bias-reviews) is pushing you towards 1440P/4K ?
27" monitors text-pixelate: SEE the above monitor yourself @ shops & take comments/reviews as guide-only.
Text size: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/picture-quality/text-cl…
For those who game with TVs-> https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-r…
A compromise between YOUR preference, budget etc 🤔
I don't think it's underrated so much as most people just don't like it. I haven't been able to demo much but the 1080p 27" displays I've seen are far too blurry for my taste. I sit about an arm to an arm and a half away.
SEE it for yourself…may be each-their-own ?
Rtings may be a source of technical-criteria for considering gaming-monitors: refesh-rate, input-lag, response-rate, vibrant & bright images (oled, HDR etc), screen-size, resolution, text-clarity etc etc…BUT you are likely to have different priority & use, comparing to comments made here (& elsewhere on the net), so don't blindly hold them as-true.
UBM offers provoking-comments such as this 'Higher resolutions are rarely optimal for gaming: refresh rate > size > resolution'…& more @ the link below.
https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/Is-gaming-at-1440p-4K-or-8…Manufacturers have offering of the same-product, eg 27" 165Hz 1080p IPS gaming monitor..test play YOUR-content & see if you notice any-differences: ideally side-by-side 🧐🤔
Much brighter than OLED, no risk of burn-in. This could be a better choice than if used extensively for office work or with games that have static UI elements.