Hi,
I am looking to get a new car with budget around 50-60k.
My wife and I are starting a family in 1-2 years, and will need a car to last at least 10 years.
Not interested in Hybrid, and not stressed with petrol as I have a fuel card.
after did my research, i am down to these 2 cars:
Toyota Rav4 Edge Petrol AWD 2.5L
Kia Sportage AWD Petrol GT-Line 1.6L Turbo
which one is better?
Thanks in advance!
I’ve read all the reviews and been a bit scared but haven’t found these issues at all yet (had the gt petrol with DCT for two weeks so far)
If you’ve already got one I suggest to stop reading anything other than recall notifications about your car. You’ll only find ways to pick apart your purchase.
Not interested in Hybrid, and not stressed with petrol as I have a fuel card.
Cool, but what about wanting to pollute a little bit less?
I know, right? I get that not being the priority, but actively ruling it out seems odd. Save money on fuel, better for the environment… nah, definitely not interested!
Especially with more BEV SUVs coming to market in 10 years, do not bode well for resell values of full ICE models.
Even just ignoring that, the hybrid models are zippier too aren't they?
Hybrid also goes faster.
Have you considered the Kia GT Diesel? 2.0L turbo. Few more kw to bring in line with Rav
I picked up the Kia Diesel AWD, love it. Originally wanted to get a Rav 4 hybrid, but the wait time was over 12mths. Even the Kia took 9, and it was only the SX line.
Something to factor in to the equation these days if buying new anyway.
I bought a Kia Sportage diesel AWD 7 years ago and never had any issues.
It travelled 105,000 km and all I had to replace were the tyres @90,000 km. The original battery and original I'll brakes were still going well.
I loved it so much I recently sold it with a few months left on the warranty and upgraded to the top of range Kia Sportage GT diesel AWD.
You got stock??? Lol (or was it a long wait)
Yes, it was a very long wait. Signed the contract in April 2022 and got it only last month.
Yeeesssshh
Are these wait times real? Wow… just seems like a marketing tactic, but I'm probably wrong (haven't tried to buy a car in yonks).
whats fuelcard ?
also rav4 edge is fugly; i would go the kia
RAV4 looks already dated by now… It was good a few years back, but by now Kia is leap ahead….
Both are less safe and have less room than a wagon.
SUVs are inherently less stable on the road and less safe. They are also less efficient so you are going to be paying more for every km driven.
Unless you need or want 7 seats, you are far better off getting a station wagon. You get something that handles like a car.. i.e. not as likely to get into roll over situation, or statistically speaking, less likely to roll over your kids in your own driveway.. and you get a lot more storage space in the boot which is perfect for kids.
Speaking as someone who has 3 kids under 10, has an AWD station wagon that gets to 100 in <6s and does big family camping trips every year without a trailer.
Thanks!
Our preference is an SUV as we dont really like a sedan/station wagon.
May i know what do you drive?
I currently have a VW R36, comparable to the Passat R-line wagon in more recent years. There are AWD including the all-track version, and regular 2WD variants like the X-Trail and Kia come in standard trim. Overall ground clearance is slightly less, between 14.5cm and 16.5cm (all-track) versus the Kia Sportage 18cm and 20cm of the X-trail, which combined with the lower body height of a wagon means better road stability and handling.
You are absolutely correct. So many people buy 4x4s who will never take them off the bitumen nor tow with them . They would be better off with a station wagon that is better to drive on bitumen roads and cheaper to buy and maintain.
And for those of use who actually buy 4x4s to use off the bitumen and don't want a luxury suv it has become much more difficult and more expensive to find suitable vehicles
I live in Milton <5km Brisbane CBD, the number of Toyota Landcruiser 300 series driving around - that have never and will never go offroad, doing just school drop offs each day - is really appalling. Incredibly poor fuel consumption, poor stability, very low visibility driving around lots of kids, and overall amazingly expensive for such low suitability for >99% of their journeys. The mind boggles.
What station wagon do you have?
Have both, enjoy the lower car more. Suspension is better and much more comfortable. But - there is no paint on the bottom of the front bumper - too low for Sydney. I cannot get out of Westfield without scratching it. It is sad, but I most likely won't buy a non-SUV anymore just because of the ground clearance. Australian roads are not for low cars.
Rav 4 gutless car if you have a full load
Kia is the poor man's pretend prestige, you can often find them frothing up at comments like this and loudly proclaiming as if to themselves anyone of the following statements: KIA'S CHANGED, IT'S NOT LIKE THE 90S, IT'S CHANGEd, IT'S A GOOD CAR.
OKAY
Funnily enough Kia has changed. It isn’t the same as the 90s Kias. What’s your point?
No one pretends the Kia is prestige.
They are probably around the same as the 80's Toyota where they are making solid good value for money vehicles.
Toyota then created Lexus for the prestige market, similar to what Hyundai did with Genesis. Lexus really knocked it out of the park with their first model. Genesis hasn't yet.
Lol why are you so mad?. I have a Kia, it’s fine. For what I paid I definitely get more features than what I’d have got with an equivalent Toyota.
If anything, people on here are frothing at the mouth obsessing over Toyotas
I have used both Kias and Rav 4 as rentals (I usually use at least one rental a week because of work). The new Rav 4s are heaps better to drive, especially the Hybrid ones.
Cx5 is far more luxurious than rav 4 in my opinion. I planned on buying rav 4 too but after driving cx5, all changed.
how often u you use the HUD ?
Head up display? Use it all the while I drive
I use HUD all the time and feel less comfortable when I drive a car without that feature
I would highly suggest looking at Mitsubishi Outlander for several reasons:
- 10 year factory warranty (if serviced with them annually/according to schedule)
- Mitsubishi’s AWD system is well known to be better than all other comparable brands. This is in case you are going for AWD - which is again recommended given that you will keep for 10years and demands will change with Family life including those long trips.
- is half a size between Kluger and RAV4 and bigger than Kia. As your family grows, you would need more space e.g. to carry bikes etc.
- is bigger but is on price parity
- There is a seven seat option for those larger family trips. You might want to get that spec
- Is available now at most dealers.
- Build quality is definitely better or in line with Toyota. No experience with the new Kia.
- Has a decently reliable CVT (similar to RAV4) instead of DCT in Kia. Kia/Hyundai have several issues including mine which I had to sell within the warranty period.
- Resale is generally higher than Kia and lower than Toyota.
Having no problems with Outlander, but many materials feel really cheap inside and there are visible wear and tear everywhere inside after 50k km
Outlander was a great 30k car, I got my 2018 poverty pack new for $27,000 which makes the cheap parts acceptable.
Now the Pov pack is $42,000 doesn't even come with 7 seats and uses more fuel with the new Nissan engine than the old version.
Mitsibishi was always popular because they were 10-20k cheaper than the competition, now they have bumped the price up so much it's very hard to justify.
Unfair to compare 2017 with the current model. Interior quality is miles apart.
I have a 2016 LS model for our personal use and it is definitely a poverty pack compared to the now Aspire model in our work fleet. My car has been really reliable at 64K kms but was made by Mitsubishi and not by Nissan/Renault/Mitsubishi alliance.
Can't say much about Mechanicals as relatively new in our fleet. They are better than last Subaru Foresters as Foresters at work started failing at 80,000km due to ECU, Eyesight (their active safety systems) and Engine issues which my team vehicles hit at around 2year mark.
If you compare base model RAV4 vs Outlander, I still think Outlander is way better. Similarly, Outlander Exceed Model with tan leather interior is way more upmarket than RAV4. Just need similar spec comparison. We have a lot of Outlander Aspire AWDs at my work as fleet vehicles and they are one step above RAV4s but below Mazda CX5 which is smaller than both in comparison. Wear and tear has been comparable too.
I am just really upset with a hole in the carpet under my left leg and permanent bends on the door plastic where I place my elbow periodically. But from mechanical point - I have no probs. Fuel consumption is also good.
Outlander feels bigger inside than RAV4.
@foxdenis: I always put rubber mats as the first thing post purchase of any car. This prevents the mat hole thing. Learnt it the hard way after having the same issue in my first car years ago.
Also, you are right about elbow section on the door. Infact, the fitting is the same as my Mitsu Magna from 2004 and parents Magna from 1998. We also have a 21 Pajero and while the fitting is different, it also feels flimsy. My 2014 work RAV4 had the same issues too. Never found this problem in any Euro car or our Tesla. But they come with other bigger issues.
"You drive this smokeshow around in a Kia Sportage!?"
Sportage looks way more attractive than Toyota, but if you planned to keep the car for 10 years, toyota as a brand is more relaible, and what is more important 2.5l natural aspiration engine will outlast a tiny turbo one hands down.
The hybrid is more than just fuel savings. It’s a completely different car. It’s quite a bit quicker to 100km with much better acceleration. Worth the extra $2k and will hold its resale value better.
Just got a Kia Sportage GT going from a 2013 Rav 4 cruiser diesel that didn't even last 10 years very happy with it so far
If you’re looking at the Kia Sportage, why not the Hyundai Tucson? The diesel with the 8 speed auto is a peach, powerful and economical to boot. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but underneath the skin, I believe the Sportage and Tucson are the same car.
Downvoted for making a totally rational suggestion. This forum is weird.
If you need a car for 10 years, get a mitsubishi. They have 10 year warranty compared to kia 7 and toyota 5.
10 year warranty only if serviced within their network*
still worth it with capped price servicing
Every new Asian made car should give you 10 years of trouble free motoring. I even got that from my European cars.
Only issue with Mitsubishi, is that's it's a Mitsubishi. Usually poor dynamics, poor interior design, fit and finish.
You can forgive the poor interior design, fit and finish when it comes with a 4G63, but modern Mitsubishi's are worse than Toyota and Nissan when it comes to driving dynamics.
just because you had one or two cars for 10 years doesn't mean the rest will last that long. i've had air conditioning issues, door locking mechanism and switches all fail before 10 years which i had to pay.
What cars did you have?
I've had 3 Euro cars that were over 10 years old concurrently.
I still own two of them at 15 and 17years old now, they are beater cars. I secretly hope they suffer a major engine catastrophe, gets written off or stolen, I can't justify selling or trading them in for $5k as they are still reliable have given me no recent trouble other than oil leak (valve cover) and leaking sunroof.
At 215km and 180km on the clock with no documented service history after 100km (DIY service), they won't be easy to sell.
@JimB: mazda6 2004 - after 7 years the digital display on the centre console went wonky.
toyota rx330 2003 - after 8 years the surface of the dashboard started disintegrating.
holden commodore 2013 - after 7 years air con gas leak. interior light wont shutoff because door switch malfunction.
nissan serena - 2005 - after 7 years, coolant leak, engine overheated
seems to happen all within 10 year period.
I agree Mitsu's may be boring to drive these days, but they're bloody reliable.. So it really depends what you want.
Neither. Get a Kluger base model Hybrid. You can ask dealer to upgrade to leatherette seats for abotu 2k extra. should be ballpark 60k I guess.
With a growing family you will appreciate more space in general if its your only do-it-all car for those school drops, shopping, weekend getaways etc
Save the change and get GWM H6 or Tank 300
For me, no diesel no buy
Our diesel rav 2013 didn't even make it 10 years or 150,000kms
My diesel VW is 13years and 250k old and still going strong. My diesel Triton is 10years/130k old and ditto.
Are diesels still boring things to drive or are they catching up to petrol before finally reaching EOL?
Sure they'll get to 300k, 400k and beyond no sweat. If towing, or going off-road regularly I'm with you, get the diesel. If not, boring!
Test drive a Kia and then let us know.
The interior of Kia are amazing.
I drive Kia Cerato hatch.
It is, but you're engine won't get past 150km if you're lucky
but you're engine won't get past 150km if you're lucky
Do you mean 150k mileage or 150km speed?
Kia & toyota, ozbargain is full of npc's
Any thought about the Kia stinger, is it worth buying?
Hybrid version
Just saw the new Honda CR-V - looks really nice. Something else to consider and may have stock now.
The only bigger engine is the diesel 2.0L turbo.