Was looking to upgrade our Orbi RBK50 AC3000 homes mesh system and found this
Camels saying this is at an all time low
Buy now or HODL for BFCM deals ??
just have a couple of dead spots in the house
do you think getting a wifi extender/satellite help ?
Entirely up to you. Do you only 2?
Search marketplace for cheap ones?
Look at my comments at the end of this post to see another solution that might be better and cheaper.
Is this working as a mesh though? Or just multiple APs with same SSID?
Not sure how devices will go with transition to a better AP? My devices will hold a shitty 1bar connection for dear life as I drive away from the house. Without some mesh logic to boot them to better APs, that wouldn't be great.
Wireless mesh is mostly much worse than separate APs with wired backhaul. It takes one of your WiFi channels for backhaul to the primary router and effectively leaves you with less bandwidth.
Wired backhaul leaves you with your WiFi fully usable.
Wireless mesh also means that your WiFi is limited in that the WiFi stations need to overlap by a substantial amount to get decent backhaul to the master router.
If you want to go further, you can install OpenWRT on these Netgear WAX202s (very simple) and you set them all as the same SSID, have one as the master, then disable dhcp and firewall on the slave/s and in the wireless config tick 802.11r (fast roaming) and in the "mobility domain" box put the same 4 digit hex code on each so they are in the same mobility domain (i.e. 4 characters between 0-9 or a-f such as 123f).
I have a wired (wireless) mesh, I don't believe in non-ethernet solutions, but that answered my question, "fast roaming" is the ticket. Wasn't aware this was fairly trivial.
This looks perfect, I wanted to ditch my Eero 6+ as I don't like relying on Amazon, am very against their forced firmware upgrade model and want more control on my hardware.
Thanks got the videos saved, will be a good project :)
I'm sure the info i read on my orbi box says that's not the case… they have a shit-ton of "pipes", included multiple that are dedicated for backhaul.
@Ulysses31: Some have a third frequency that is dedicated for backhaul, but the third channel I've seen on some was in the 5GHz range, which has the least range, and it still has to overlap with the coverage of other base stations by a significant amount to do the backhaul, which reduces coverage, whereas wired can be up to 100m away. The third station in a wireless mesh has to be getting the signal after its repeated by the second, which adds further latency. Wired backhaul will always be leaps and bounds ahead.
@rygle: But my main argument in my other post and this is that you can often do things cheaper in terms of the hardware, but I'll add more that you have more control, and no vendor lock-in or subscriptions.
I tried to point out that you can buy new AX routers that are each fairly cheap, or you can use existing hardware and save a stack for something almost as good.
So the pro has Ethernet backhaul right? I was considering sticking with TP link Decos (my m5s have been solid as) for upgraded wifi 6 but these look pretty good. Any feedback on anyone who has gone from decos to eeros?
Cant answer your question, but I have the mesh m5's, and recently received a single eero 6+ from my service provider. My decos have been really good, so I can't see the value in investing in more eeros to mesh the space.
I bought a second of these during Prime Day, Ive got 6 of them around the house (both inside and out). Ive had no issue with them. Rock solid and fast speeds ( we are on 850sqm block) inside and out.
Ive got them all connected back to the main 'router' via ethernet and this has made a huge difference, especially to those I've placed in the fare reaches of the house/property.
internet is only 50/20 …. what 's the point of having this?
even with gigabit NBN , what 's the point? can anyone tell me why please?
Must…go…faster…
It will say 6 on your wifi symbol #verycool
then I'll wait for 7. can't deny lucky 7
It's time for you to upgrade your internet plan to at least 100Mbps download speed ;p
Depends. Are you getting close to 50 Mbps download speeds in all areas of you live e.g. toilet, bedroom, garage? If yes, then you don't need it. If not, then this might help get you some signal where you didn't before, or more speeds where you had lower before but still within the 50/20 limit.
Personally, I will hold of on this deal or maybe switch to 100/20 from Superloop which you can get 1 eero 6+ free, then maybe add 2 more for $145 each + $20 shipping = 3 eero 6+ for $310. but there's a clause where you need to stay 18 months for that free one but the value you need to pay back should you cancel is prorated. So if you cancel by 9 months, you only need to pay $70 ish left.
The best reason for faster internet in the home is if you have a home server that you play videos off or share data between devices. But even with fairly averages speeds (10Mb/s) you can transmit HD video. Uncompressed 720p only uses about 3-4 Mb/s at most. Uncompressed 1080p will use more like 25-30Mb/s. That's uncompressed - compressed using H264/H265/AV1 will use less.
Another reason for setting up a mesh system or a system with multiple Access Points is coverage, independent of speed.
But both these can be achieved using a variety of approaches. You don't need a (new) mesh system for coverage or speed. You don't need AX/WiFi6 for coverage or (reasonable) speed. You can have a mix of devices, old and new. See my posts above.
I believe it has been cheaper previously and posted here as well. $359 for 6 plus
I’m waiting for a similar deal before upgrading
I settled on the eero pro after needing something to cover a large area.
eero out performed for their backhaul and mesh capabilities against TP Link and Netgear with some advantages going to Asus and some going to eero.
I was pretty against getting such a managed router as I would usually go for linksys with a homebrew firmware on it.
Performance-wise as a gamer and WFH family there has been no complaints and latency over mesh hops is no different than when plugging directly into the router.
This is a set and forget router so if you're not tinkering with it, and need to cover a large area with good latency I would recommend this at this price.
Asus was significantly higher $ which is why I got this last black Friday.
I bought the dual band eero 6+ 3 pack back in June 2022 for $479. They were pretty easy to setup. I've probably reset the system maybe 3 times since then, I've done it more regularly with other setups. These are pretty much set and forget, and I've found the speeds great, I'm on NBN FTTP.
So, which of these two, the 6+ or 6 pro is better and has wired back haul? Sorry I just wanna get this right
6+ if going for wired backhaul (because 6+ is dual band but performs great anyway). 6 pro if you need wireless backhaul (which dedicates 1 band for backhaul so it kinda performs like a dual band anyway)
Thankyou!
Does these routers require sub to access features or can they be used without the subscription?
Just to note for those who have never used Eeros before, you can only manage them via their app. Not a browser, only an app. There’s no hidden admin interface, only the app.
Sorry, that’s unclear. It uses an app, right?
thanks!!! I was considering, this comment saved my money.
Why? Because you don’t use any apps? I’ve been using these for years, and not having a web interface for an IP I can never remember never put me off.
Was $299 for the 3 pack but yeah times have changed.
Personally, I will hold of on this deal or maybe switch to 100Mbps from Superloop where you can get 1 eero 6+ free, then maybe add 2 more for $145 each + $20 shipping = 3 eero 6+ for $310. but there's a clause where you need to stay 18 months for that free one but the value you need to pay back should you cancel is prorated. So if you cancel by 9 months, you only need to pay $70 ish left.
Good post. I recently bought this for 900, but just refunded to get this deal, because why not. Will just need to setup again tomorrow
Bear in mind Eero 7 has been released in the USA.
Eero 6 likely to be discounted and eventually discontinued going forward.
7 has twice the range and twice the speed.
In theory, if you have 7 compatible devices…
In theory it's actually 4 times faster….
Yes you have to have 7 compatible devices, which you will in the future….
Still waiting on 6e here. So 7 is quite far away
Who cares? Have you seen the price tag for Wifi 7 devices? Forget about it!
Yeah but the same applied to Wifi 6 when it was first released. Prices will tumble quickly.
How often do you want to upgrade your Mesh system??
Look at the article referenced below from Dong Knows - he absolutely slams these devices…
Yeah and promotes the CCP's TP-Link. I wonder why?
I guess it is a question of whether you have Bezos or the CCP spying on you.
Also his 2nd pick, the ASUS TE12, costs 3-4 times as much for only 2 devices vs 3… At that price, you would hope it would be a lot better….
Maybe it has nothing to do with China? I think he's just one guy who tests the routers he can get his hands on.
I know Xiaomi routers have that problem for sure, but some can have OpenWRT loaded onto them. Now you also know that Eero make his phone home and if you read reviews on Dong's site he gives some others a poor privacy rating too.
That's partly why I recommended a router (Netgear Wax202) that can have OpenWRT loaded on it, because then I know it won't call home unless I ask it to.
One other reason I recommended the Netgear Wax202 is because it is cheaper to buy two of them and tweak a few settings to have something far better than this privacy invading and under performing mesh system.
@rygle: The Wax202 is a dual band router. The Eero is tri band.
I already have an Alexa and 4 Google Homes - so after thinking about the privacy aspects I am not too concerned given my existing exposures.
Have purchased a 3 pack of the Pro.
Looked at competing Mesh systems and found most of them to be A LOT more expensive.
Anyway will give it a crack, if I dont like it Amazon have a generous returns policy.
@TheCandyMan2020: It's about far more than how many bands there are.
Most of the tri-band routers use a second 5GHz range for the backhaul, which is the band that is faster but with the worst coverage distance. Even if they do use the 2.4GHz then you are limited to the slower speed of 2.4 band on the 5GHz band/s. Not that it is likely you can use both the 5GHz bands.
Plus the overlapping coverage issue. You have to position wireless mesh routers close together to allow coverage. If you are not placing the master one in the middle this means that the last mesh access point will be making two wireless hops, which is two lots of latency.
Plus the fact that these have privacy issues. Not that you have any privacy left.
The price issue is moot if you buy the Netgear routers, because they cost less.
Really, the only thing these have in their favour is the ease of installation, but that doesn't mean they will work well.
Best of luck!
is a good single AP better than a mesh wifi system for speed and reliability for multi level houses?
Multi-level houses usually don't need far reaching wifi compared to single level flat houses if the AP is placed in the middle for best horizontal and vertical coverage. Ive got a Linksys WRT1900ACS and works really well for me on a 3 level house. Wondering if i'm missing out by not moving to a mesh system?
its pretty good since its triband for wireless backhaul so you will have more than enough bandwidth for everyone.
I just bought another (single) one of the Pros to supplement the one I already have. I now get almost gigabit transfer speeds wirelessly between the nodes through a double brick wall. A friend of mine has also experienced similar results.
Obligatory post about using Amazon hardware
https://dongknows.com/amazon-mesh-eero-pro-6e-vs-eero-pro-6-…
Looks like these collect a lot of user data going by that link
And that article absolutely slams wireless backhaul.
Are these ethernet backhaul?
Im still kick along with Airport Extreme AC's around the house (via ethernet + same SSID) = roaming no worries!
Keen to extend coverage a bit further outside (another 12 meters) behind a brick wall.
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Are you wanting to upgrade just for wifi 6?
Unsure if it’s an upgrade from your AC3000s though..