Been searching for a fully automatic coffee machine and found this.
RRP $2,490 and most place selling for $1,999 plus delivery, so this not a bad price in my opinion.
Feel free to post your opinion.
Offer available until 02/10/2023.
Discount applied in the shopping bag.
The Jura is much closer to real coffee.
Imo, instant coffee is better than pods.
Yeah pods are average AF. Try having a long black pod, it provides a similar caffeine hit to a cup of green tea imo.
get a pod machine if you like coffee from 7-11 or maccas coffee
Get a jura if you like coffee but can’t be bothered making coffee.
Go to a barista if you want real coffee.
Pod machines are the whiskey equivalent of Johnnie walker and are fine for display but I’ll pass on both if offered and wouldn’t offer either to my guests
I'm not saying no to anything above Johnny red
Same as cheap coffee I would only drink it to get a buzz and then regret it because it tastes terrible and isn't the real deal
Johnny black is my go to.
Pods taste terrible.
Also a setup like this is better for a household with multiple people (which can make the ROI sooner), you would rarely see these in a household with just one person
… drink more coffee.
Not bad price
Only 15 bar pressure? Seems a bit weak for this price. My delonghi dinamica plus goes to 19 bar for under $1500. Made 5900 coffees on it so far and still going strong.
Espresso is best made around 9 bar.* More pressure does not mean better coffee, it probably means worse. That 19 bar would be max pressure and hopefully it is not making coffee anywhere near that.
*In general. There are many factors.
A lot of pressure is lost between the pump and the group head.
Your coffee machine says it's 19 bars but it's actually likely brewing at around 9 bars
15 bar is your default Ulka pump (99% of machines use this pump). Many have a bleed off valve to get it back down to 9 bar. This is the sweet spot.
The Breville Barista Express still pumps out around 12bar at the basket (as they wanted to cover people who buy preground and use a pressurised basket).
But if you know what you are doing, then the Barrista Express needs either more bleed off (which means you go through heaps of water into the tray) or put a dimmer on the pump to get it back to 9 bar at the basket.
Either way, the Jura's 15bar pump is more than adequate
As an alternative you could consider a demo machine from Jura warehouse in Melbourne. They have a sale 1-2 a year. E8 works out to just under 1000 bucks delivered, depending with how many coffees on the clock. Mine came like a brand new unit.
Great comment,
I think jura have a warehouse sale on new and refurbished units twice a year.
The refurbished models are excellent value and have been serviced to perfection.
I may be out of the loop a bit but the service centre and showroom is incredibly well equipped. I remember the grand opening, no expense spared. Attended by Spokesperson for Swiss stuff like Jura and Rolex, Rodger Federer
Hi. Where do I get the information about the sale. Thanks :)
You may find a fully automatic Delonghi cheaper. Unfortunately the outlet doesn't have any coffee machines at the moment.
If you're willing to spend this much and want convenience I'd either get a Breville Oracle or Breville Barista Touch Impress as they'll make a better coffee.
We need some deals on the touch impress, has the upgraded grinder and is getting good reviews
If it helps, I know these machines inside and out (literally).
Both Delonghi and Jura are well made and well thought out for repairs.
Both make coffee exactly the same way (small puck pressurised basket). Just Jura goes against gravity, Delonghi is just around the other way and goes with gravity.
Jura machines make slightly better / more consistant coffee, but they are very close. Delonghi has no way of even distribution of the puck (Jura use ramps). This is dumb, and you will get some coffees just horrid. Go again, might be fine the next time.
Neither machine gets close to a manual machine with an unpressurised baaket.
Delonghi brew groups come out for easy rinsing and lubing the orings (must be done regularly). Jura claim the machine self cleans…It doesn't and if you reach up inside you will feel caked.on coffee. If you live in a warm/ high humid area..that coffee will be covered in green mould. This is a terrible decison by Jura.
Eventually the Jura brew group will jam and throw an error. They have a fixed price service ($499 off memory). Its robbery at it finest. So you will pay $499 for what you can do yourself in a Delonghi.
If you are a bit handy and can fix things yourself (or dont care about spending $499) buy a Jura.
Its pretty easy to unscrew the brew group and clean and lube it. Alternatively, take it to a non Jura repair centre. Its a built in cash cow.
If you arent a fix it person, buy a Delonghi. Easy to pull out and rinse the brew group.
Both brands are fine buying used. I have both, both are in the 20 000 cups range. Second hand Juras are great value.
Lastly, if you want a great coffee, buy a manual machine..
Just descale often, use a water tank filter and you won’t need a service for 5000 cups. Lubricant is only needed when replacing rings. Every time a unit came in from Sydney it would need to be quarantined because of roaches. Bagged sprayed, dismantled and cleaned.
I’ve owned 6 jura machines and the weak point is not cleaning first, servicing from an authorised repair shop (not Jura) heat pipes becoming brittle and bursting, control boards
Thanks for the info.
Have you had any experience with the Philips 4300? Reviews well for its price.
Thanks in advance.
Sorry, never seen one. But I just had a look on youtube for you. It looks very similar to Juras brew group (but removable). So some potential there.
I suspect Phillips will use some cheaper plastic elbows inside etc to keep cost down. But just speculating.
In summary, same same…small puck pressurised basket coffee..but convenient.
Hey do you know if that roach infestation of coffee machines is true or just a myth.
How can I tell if I have roaches in my Jura brew group?
Get / make an oval bit, and remove the covers. Look for roach poo/ spots everywhere.
roach infestation is 100% a thing.
My wife's cousin's daughter put ground coffee in their jura ena 5 in the grinder and clogged it, and so yours truly regretfully offered to fix it. I had to trap and kill two roaches inside it and found legs and bits in the grinder, so I am 99% sure they were consuming them in small doses. it was a two day tear down, sterilizing everything and rebuilding it.
How do they get in? through the numerous vent holes and apparently the grinder.
Why? It's the perfect environment for them, humid, dark and a never ending food supply.
Can you salvage the machine? Yes, its extremely time consuming. They were mortified when I told them about the roaches but after explaining EVERYTHING got bleached and vinegar they were cool with it. We have a Jura C9 I've been bringing back from the dead for the last year and a bit and it's got similar issues although they were all dead when I cracked it open. Again everything is sterilized and i'm replacing a lot of parts so not concerned at all.
what can you do? generally roach traps, pest spraying around the house as defence and getting someone to service your machine and check it to be sure.
So yep…. if you've had a coffee machine a while, it seems that the chances are you'll have them or had them at some point.. Hopefully you don't think about this every time you go to 7-11 for coffee or look at the work coffee machine…. i do now though :-(
With the repairs, they don't actually make that much money out it, you'd be surprised. They mostly do it because they value their customers and know that if someone can get that broken 3500-4500 coffee machine going again then a repair starts to look pretty good stacked against replacing it and someone who gets a really long time out a machine is more likely to be a customer for life.
They have a fixed price repair service any issue flat rate of $499 which also includes a full factory service. I think this is a bargain if you were to see how complicated some of the JURA models are to pull apart and given you could have some very expensive parts fail, this is a way way cheaper route. Honestly wish I used it, because I've spent way more fixing mine and had to do all the work, research and chasing down parts.
They do a full service for about $199-$299 if memory serves. That includes pulling it apart, a general clean and replacing a LOT of fiddly hard to get at O-Rings. Yes its still a bit of money, but its an awful job, probably an hour of labor depending on how bad they are, parts and other costs of running a business.
They have some rules around how old you machine is and how many coffees it's done, but they have a draw a line somewhere.
I'm still able to get parts for our 10 year old machine.. good luck getting that elsewhere
sorry for the rant, but they are just looking after their customers.
Will agree to disagree.
I got my Jura cheap as the grinder wasn't working..and they just spent $499 2 months earlier for a dirty / Jammed brew group.
3 things
1- I knew nothing about coffee machines. But had the machine operational in 10 mins. Just a coffee stone jammed. I also think the burr was installed wrong/ 6 teeth out. They followed a texta mark instead of the gap itself. The engineering was pretty Intuitive. I do like that. Grinds a nice puck every time. Was going to buy new burrs (its at 13k coffees), but the Crema is still as good as demo machines in store.
2- The orings on the brew group hadnt been replaced in the previous Error 8 fix. So guessing a wash, lube and put back ..$499. It was filthy again and I pulled it out and cleaned it while doing the grinder. Ordered new orings.
3 - machine started a stagnant hum when shutting down. Would be another $499 in 6 months. I saw a stepper motor (I couldn't buy one..$499 was the only option), so bent the tabs open on the one I have. Cleaned / lubed. Bent tabs back. She is perfect again. 12 months no issue (other than I occasionally reach up inside and break off the stuck coffee.
I love the Jura for weekday quick coffee (Breville on weekends for real coffee). But the $499 for every little issue makes no sense to me. Too many $2 (or less) fixes that might pop up.
I've owned the Jura S8 for a few years now and I haven't had a decent coffee from it yet. Don't do it.
Tempting… But just did the savings and ROI analysis on this vs consuming 4 x 30c nespresso pods per day and the ROI worked out to about 5 years. 😅