One of the better cleaners in Australia, when you don't want to buy the caltex techron which is supposedly the best.
Pretty good price. Only need one every 10 to 15k kms.
Rislone Fuel Injector Cleaner $8.99 (Was $21.99) + Delivery ($0 C&C/In-Store) @ Supercheap Auto
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I'm going to regret it but what's PEA?
Poly Ether amine.
Active ingredient
will wait till it's $2.50 per liter
Was a similar price at repco in 2022 for 2 bottles. Now prices are terrible :/
Think it will ever go down again?
Well there's supposedly a shortage of additives in USA from posts on bitog forum so not sure tbh
Stop living already !
Who is already?
I think repco was clearing out the twin packs. Can’t find them in the market now. $8.99 is a good price.
not needed any fuel injector cleaner over 500K kms
What make is your carburetored vehicle?
Probably port injected.
Coal fired
Don’t buy these stuffs, it’s just a scam… They don’t do anything .
That's not true. They do work… Especially if they have pea in them.
Petrol is already an extremely effective solvent.
It's difficult to imagine any mechanism that could possibly improve it's cleaning power by adding such an ultra diluted solution (177ml in 50 litres)…Detergent is detergent…. No arguing with that though… I think you need to read up on detergent additives. If they werent useful why do petrol companies put it in their fuel. Why does the USA have top tier fuel with more detergent for a higher price?
Either way I've tried this and it increased my mpg and it lasted beyond the initial tank it was used in, felt better response on accelerating and more even response/less dead spot.
It works for older cars as they'll have more carbon build up.
@Chocobros: I wish I had the time and effort to stop this misinformation, but I'll be here for the next 24 hours trying to explain the technical aspect of 'additives' you refer to.
As someone working within the oil/petroleum industry, Nom is actually correct.
USA does not have top tier fuel, only higher octane rating fuel availability. This has to do with market demand from a much larger population more than anything else. Unless your car's ECU is tuned for it, you'll see nigh on zero benefit power wise and most certainly zero benefit combustion/emission wise.
There is also almost no difference to filling from different brands of retailers, as they all lift from the limited terminals around the region, be it Chevron, BP, Viva, Mobil et al. Once the carrier fills up their tank and transports to the respective petrol stations, they most certainly do not 'add' additives before dropping the load.
If you're referring to carbon build up in a DSL car, you're better off getting a walnut blast treatment every 100,000km than putting a bottle of this in.
Oil service and filling up with 98 will do much more wonders to your intake and combustion chamber more than any over the counter additives.
I'm not saying there isn't a place for these injector cleaner solutions, but the benefits you see is more from the seat of the pants more and marketing more than actual scientific data.
Oil service and filling up with 98 will do much more wonders to your intake and combustion chamber more than any over the counter additives.
Assuming a car takes 95, are you saying it's good to fill up the tank with 98" once a month to give it a clean?
@noshopping: Correct, but you won't see the benefits of 'extra power', contrary to popular myths and legends derived from those who watch too much Fast and Furious.
@Makaroni: Huge difference between 91 and 98 fuel for my 15 years old car. Maybe your car is still quite new but try it out when it is 10 years or older.
@wtfnodeal: Mine is 15 years as well and when I filled it up with 98, it felt like it was on Viagra. It's definitely made a difference for my car.
you won't see the benefits of 'extra power', contrary to popular myths
Wrong. ECU constantly adjusts timings based on knock sensors, and this position depends on fuel used.
"A control loop is permanently monitoring the signal of one or more knock sensors (commonly piezoelectric sensor which are able to translate vibrations into an electric signal). If the characteristic pressure peak of a knocking combustion is detected the ignition timing is retarded by steps of a few degrees. If the signal normalizes indicating a controlled combustion the ignition timing is advanced again" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_knocking#Knock_detectio…
@nuker: @nuker Except that most mundane car engines generally don't advance the timing as far as the knock point.
Yes the higher octane fuel is more resistant to knock - but if your engine never advances enough to knock, then it's never going to see a benefit.This is highly engine specific - most cars just don't need 98.
Except that most mundane car engines generally don't advance the timing
Emm, what?
Most engines do advance it, all made in last 15 years do.
@nuker: Only engone with variable valve timings technology would be able to advance or retard timing. A (profanity) tone of engine sold even to this day is just your basic fixed timing.
@nuker: You stripped out the key words : as far as the knock point.
Modern engines have electronic ignition timing and will advance and retard as necessary, within a fairly small range. They do this to cope with crap fuel/conditions etc etc - the knock sensor is there to prevent poor running.
They don't generally use the knock sensor as a "limiter" for super advanced timing.And this is why 98 isn't a performance booster on most engines.
@Nom: But it works, auto magazines did the tests, filling E10, 92, 95 and 98 and measuring distance till run out of petrol. It was consistent that 98 gave ~ 10-15% more mileage than E10, meaning engines adjusted to get the most out of the 98.
And this is why 98 isn't a performance booster on most engines.
No, 98 is a performance booster on most engines
Yes e10 will get less distance but how did 98 compare to 91/95?
98 will give you more than 95. Not much, roughly by as much as the price difference.
@nuker: @brocky2006 @Nom
Found the article. https://www.drive.com.au/news/fuel-efficiency-showdown-20120…
@nuker: This article is making the case for greater efficiency (which I agree with - I use 98 in my performance car), not greater performance :
"To put that to the test, Drive put each of the three Camrys through a series of acceleration tests, including the time to 100kmh and a quarter-mile run.
The results were inconclusive, with all three cars achieving almost identical times for the traditional quarter-mile run."
This article is making the case for greater efficiency (which I agree with - I use 98 in my performance car), not greater performance
Performance-wise this needs deeper analysis. My point was that engines do adjust and use the benefits of 98, we see it in better efficiency, and should be able to see in performance too. Run-out distance test seems to be much more precise test than quarter-mile runs.
@Chocobros: Sigh, another gullible victim to the creative marketing of the petroleum industry.
Your money to waste, burn it how you will.
All the best.
@Makaroni: Sigh, another person who thinks they are right despite being proven wrong.
Here even in australia you can see Mobil talks about detergents and the effect on cleaning and performance
If you are so smart why don't you complain to the ombudsman and get Mobil to pull their claims down if they are falsely advertising. Do the same for top tier in the USA. Also try and attack chevron for selling techron which is the additive they put in their fuel… Also known as poly Ether amine…
When you say you work in the petrol industry you clearly arent a petrochemical engineer…. And if you really are it explains why our fuel is so terrible compared to the rest of the world
@Makaroni: I'm not going to argue about the benefit of fuel additives but I just wanted to confirm that everytime I drive cars in USA, most if not all of the petrol have added ethanol. I was trying to find a servo which has no ethanol in it but couldn't find it.
Why would they do that? Isn't ethanol has less energy in it? Which means your car would have a higher consumption of fuel?
@Gorodemon: No arguments here mate, just stating facts where facts are available :)
I believe you're referring to e10 blend - to reduce greenhouse gas emissions as the primary characteristic. You'll find anything higher than that isn't recommended for normal (road going) cars straight out of the factory, as ethanol itself is quite corrosive and modifications need to be made (generally) in order for car to accept high ethanol content (i.e. fuel lines, fuel filters, injectors, tune etc) and see its full benefits. It also eventually destroys your car's catalytic converter, albeit over a longer period of time depending on concentration.
Hence why one of the below comments regarding Ethanol being quite corrosive and used as a cleaning agents makes perfect sense.
You're also correct about less energy per unit, thus increased consumption.
You'll find a lot of high performance cars use an ethanol blend (generally e50 or high), as ethanol improves performance due to high octane number and latent heat vapourisation. Faster ignition time etc.
An article from Garrett provides a good explanation on how ethanol works:
https://www.garrettmotion.com/news/newsroom/article/pump-gas…
To hazard a guess, I'd say your experience in the US has something to do with Californian state laws, which has some of the strictest emissions laws in the world.
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/california-certif…
We don't offer much by way of e10 or 100RON much in Australia as we have some of the most relaxed emission laws by comparison (n.b. WA doesn't even offer it)
Hope that makes sense.
As someone working within the oil/petroleum industry
There is also almost no difference to filling from different brands of retailers,
Once the carrier fills up their tank and transports to the respective petrol stations, they most certainly do not 'add' additives before dropping the load.I have read few posts on this topic (e.g https://whrl.pl/RgeqOa) where fuel delivery drivers state specific additive mixtures for each brand are mixed in when the tanker is loaded, dependant on which brand servo they're making a delivery to. Who is correct?
Ethanol is even harsher, your best injector cleaner is half a tank of e10 (so 5% ethanol).
There's a reason I use e85 on my bench flow tester when cleaning injectors.
If its not breaking down with ethanol, its just gonna sit in the injector filter until its back-flushed. No additive is going to 'melt it' out.
@MasterScythe: It's been proven to though but sure. E10 may increase deposit formation from what I've read online. I'm no petro engineer.
AFAIK ethanol doesn't dissolve carbon deposits off piston crowns etc. Pea will survive combustion so far superior for that.
Petrol is already an extremely effective solvent.
It's difficult to imagine any mechanism that could possibly improve it's cleaning power by adding such an ultra diluted solution (177ml in 50 litres)…Think you need to get out more. Ever heard of diesel?
@CurlCurl: Sure, but diesel isn't really relevant to my post about the cleaning ability of petrol 🤷🏼♂️
If you want to talk about the benefits of this stuff in a diesel engine, then go for it 😁
you're 100% right, this did nothing for my Tesla
cleaning your washer bottle doesn't count - but I thought ur comment was funnie
depends if you know the difference between port and direct injection designs. Then it becomes self explanatory…
Always messed up my fuel economy using these cleaners. Don't know why.
If you don’t change the fuel filter first it just releases sludge from there into the engine.
??? Fuel filter or oil filter? Very very different things. Don't think you're ever meant to replace fuel filter as there shouldn't be that much contamination.
Fuel filter. Most intervals are 20 to 50 thousand on them though.
Still for the $20 they cost, i jusy do it yearly.
@Mortin: Actual in tank often dont get replaced, usually its just a fuel sock in there, not a filter.
And mechanics should do any job for enough money, if theyre refusing, theyre probably just oil changers, not mechanics.
Australian fuel is dirty af and fuel filters are only designed to outlast the warranty.
You'll be amazed by the amount of gunks clogged inside when you cut open a fuel filter that has never been changed after 100k.
If your petrol gets into your oil filter youre going to have a very bad day my friend.
Cheaper to chuck a bottle of Lucas in it ($33/Litre vs $51/litre).
Not to mention the Lucas actually works.
Don’t forget the BLINKER fluid !!!
Really hard to know if these products are worth it.
What is the truth?
A bit like UFO's.
Seems a bit remarkable the sites online that support them, also sell them.There is no wizardry around injector cleaners.
You might be thinking of super slick teflon 50000 type products. Anything that goes in the oil is snake oil.
Plz link us some UFO bargains
I have used this Rislone before and didn't notice much difference, however I recently used the liqui molly injector cleaner and after about 100km trip I was very surprised at the very noticeable difference, better economy and very responsive acceleration. keep an eye out for when it goes on sale
https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/liqui-moly-fuel-injectio…
Someone once told me putting a litre of diesel will clean the injectors before a full tax refuel.. is it true.. never bothered trying …
No.
Nope. Even if it dod ignite, its octane is super low. You have no use for cetane.
Risk of damage isnt small.
I'm not sure the term "Save Fuel" written on products anymore.
I'm a delivery driver (set run) do 50km a night, 7 night a week with my Mitsubishi Express van 2005 model. the tank is 40L and I fill up every Tuesday with 36 to 38L.
Tried this Rislon and fuel consumption is same with every week
I can tell the engine smootherAnd with GoodYear Tyres they say save fuel, nothing change with fuel consumption except it not skit when driving in wet conditions.
I use Rislon just because want to clean the injectors because if replaced a blocked injectors cost a lot.
IMOYou dont replace a blocked injector, you clean it.
Usually about $10 per injector. Anyone who has a flow bench will happily reverse flush injectors for you.
My local shop charges $12 per injector.
Learn new things every day 😉
Check the safety data sheet… pretty much all injector cleaners are 90% kerosene
You can snag 473ml Redline Si-1 for like $20 all the time off sparebox ebay. High PEA concentration. PEA genuinely works and survives inside the engine unlike most fuel system cleaners which are basically just kerosene. Anecdotally did wonders for quieting my engine down and improving idling/acceleration. Plus the Bobistheoilguy crowd loves it.
Why is PEA not on the SDS how do we tell what the percentage of PEA is?
when I was 19 my old old neighbour (80-ish year old neighbour 30 years ago) who was a former mechanic recommended a litre of metho in my fuel tank (when filling up) to "clean" the engine of my late 70s toyota.
i remember the engine running faster - whether it cleaned carbon build ups? i didn't do any before or after internal investigations. but he swore on it.
metho’ll absorb moisture and thereby clean your system of water. E10 same deal.
1 litre is overkill. A cup would be heaps enough. And only required when the water build up is probable and significant
wont ethanol destroy fuel systems that aren't designed for it??
Where from got a link
Bought it off Amazon AU
Price?
Post a link
Lucasoil
Also good for cleaning out your wallet
Strange, I missed your, "Thanks, bought 500." comment.. 😅
Slightly wandering a bit here but has anyone used the CAT cleaner , have had a engine management light come on and checked the codes with the $15 off Amazon and p0420 CAT code comes up,was hoping the CAT cleaner would help reduce emissions and give a good clean out without having to try to find a CAT converter cars 270k on it
Fuel injector cleaner is one of the more reputable snake oils for cars. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that it make a difference in some circumstances.
I only use it once per year whenever a real bargain like this come up.
Pm me if you're interested in some snake oil, half price but just this week
I put this in my Tesla and I get an extra 20km range out of the battery after an injector clean. It does work.
lol, this stuff is nothing but snake oil.
This stuff tastes awful don't waste your money.
Update the link: https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/rislone-high-performance…
I should have posted this; good cleaner with PEA, made in USA