Should Maximum Age Limit Be Applied?

Ash-Say on 04/09/2023 - 08:49
Last edited 04/09/2023 - 08:50

We limit the minimum age for various items such as drivers licence, alcohol, smoke and various financial products. Should the maximum age be also applied under certain circumstances.

For example:

1) People above certain age shouldn't be allowed to drive due to slow reflexes. They are not even aware of some of the new rules. May be over 65 or 70 shouldnt be allowed to drive?

2) Over 60 shouldn't be allowed in customer facing roles? Majority of staff over this age tend to make their own rules and think they own the place particularly during gift cards promo in Coles and Woolies.

What are so.e of other things have you experienced?

I may receive backlash on this post but I thought this post was still valid due to large number of bad experiences by various members of social circle in last couple of years so can't be isolated events.

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  • 26
    Yes
  • 178
    No
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  • Gunnar on 04/09/2023 - 08:54
    +4

    https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/age…

    Would you support people of a certain race not being allowed to do something no matter how many times your social circle has had ‘bad experiences by various members of social circle in last couple of year’ with that race?

    • bargaino on 04/09/2023 - 10:33
      +2

      Hell yeah .. oh wait, sorry, I thought this was Facebook.

  • FoxJump on 04/09/2023 - 08:58
    +7

    lol. you ageist generalising person.

    i could say similar statements about people's from certain nationalities.

  • bobbified on 04/09/2023 - 08:59
    +3

    Popcorn is ready…..

    I don't fall into the age groups you've mentioned, but it's clear that you think you're better than everyone else! lol

  • cauilfield on 04/09/2023 - 09:01

    I would possibly say, voting should be restricted to a certain group of people identified by:

    Age, IQ, Education, where each vote becomes a weighted vote. Young 18yo with no IQ and education, should not be deciding our future, same goes with 90 yo oldies.

  • macola51 on 04/09/2023 - 09:03
    +7

    By posting this question, you are obviously not over 60. Come back when you have reached your "maximum age" and let us know your thoughts.

    • FoxJump on 04/09/2023 - 09:07
      +3

      probably not over 30 either

  • dogboy on 04/09/2023 - 09:04
    +1

    People over a certan age already need to provide doctors certificates in order to renew their licenses.

    • FoxJump on 04/09/2023 - 09:06

      indeed
      and eye tests etc
      for example, my dad stopped driving at 79 out of his own choice

      even though he still passes the govt tests at age 80

  • FoxJump on 04/09/2023 - 09:05
    +8

    note: a 70driving and Working means they are independent and not spending your tax money on accom, food, and other available services.

    they're also not burdening their children with having to ferry them

    they may even be doing free childcare for grandchildren

    you're probably young, immature, no kids, no grandparents that you care about.

    its ok

    you'll mature and time will teach you

      • FoxJump on 04/09/2023 - 09:14
        +3

        because your statement does not apply to all 80yo+.

        i could say raise the driving age to 30+ because all the young people think theyre invincible, speed and drink and drive.

        it really all must be on a case by case basis.

        please show me thr statistics of deaths caused by old people driving vs those of non old people drinking

      • ChrisLevo on 04/09/2023 - 09:41
        +1

        Where is your proof of that ridiculous assertion?

  • coffeeinmyveins on 04/09/2023 - 09:07
    -2

    1) People above certain age shouldn't be allowed to drive due to slow reflexes. They are not even aware of some of the new rules. May be over 65 or 70 shouldnt be allowed to drive?

    10000000%

    I find it hilarious watching someone walk up to a car with a cane and with the assistance of someone else to get into a 2000kg vehicle that they are then going to drive at speed.

    It's mind boggling that we don't have tests like this for drivers licences. There's a huge amount wrong with how we handle driving as a society, especially in australia, culture of drink driving, texting while driving and tailgating, this isn't the only thing that needs to be looked at.

    • FoxJump on 04/09/2023 - 09:17

      what about disabled people? sometimes they literally are missing legs. or drive using hand tools for accel and brakes? some have poor vision etc.

      so yes indeed it's not the only problem. but taking away peoples rights without looking at the statistics is the silly thing.

      also old People may drive smaller distances, locally, non peak hour etc. so less likely to cause a 30 car pileup on the harbour bridge in the morning

    • CrispyChrispy on 04/09/2023 - 09:36

      It's mind boggling that we don't have tests like this for drivers licences.

      What makes you so sure?

      https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-….

      • randomusername2017 on 04/09/2023 - 09:43

        mind boggling

        Restricted capacity defence.

        • Protractor on 04/09/2023 - 10:16

          I would say if a road user complains about other drivers, but is oblivious that those other drivers are indeed subject to additional tests and restrictions, than the one complaining should hand in their license. Because who knows what other basic road rules they have denied,forgotten,disobeyed or made up.

  • Cheaplikethebird on 04/09/2023 - 09:17
    +8

    All this because someone refused your giftcard promo stack?

  • mskeggs on 04/09/2023 - 09:18
    +3

    In NSW the elderly need to pass a driving test periodically.
    I think there are other similar competencies that should have similar recertification after a specific age, though 60yro seems a bit young.
    Mental decline is harder to measure, but jobs like being a judge have a forced retirement age, so it seems reasonable that other high impact jobs should similarly be age limited - say public company CEO or member of parliament.

    I am reluctant to have a forced retirement age for lower impact roles, especially as there are plenty of older people who need some income to live, and we don't prevent hapless youngsters from working, if they are otherwise employable (except the very young).

  • randomusername2017 on 04/09/2023 - 09:24
    +6

    • 1 There are already processes in each state relating to mature driver licensing

    • 2 There should be some barrier to posting moronic polls in forums.

  • Motek Benzona on 04/09/2023 - 09:25
    +4

    Probably the most ridiculous thread ever created on the internet.

    Practically everywhere i go..and every company i ever talk to its the gen Z and Y MORONS that stuff things up, cant do ther job properly or are generally so self centered that cannot "serve" their customers. Almost without exception they are entitled tw@ts.

    Take a look around you pal..these 2 generations have turned the world into Idioctacy hundreds of years early.

    You are having a right laugh with junk like this thread
    :-)

  • Loot N Plunder on 04/09/2023 - 09:34
    +1

    How about backing that up with some statistics Like

    The 40 to 64 age group had the most road accident deaths
    and
    The second-highest category of fatalities by age is 17 to 25

    But hey lets not let facts get in our way
    https://www.savvy.com.au/media-releases/australian-car-accid…

    • mskeggs on 04/09/2023 - 09:53
      +4

      To be fair, grouping by age so one cohort is 8 years and another is 24 years isn't really providing useful or unbiased data.
      Statistically reporting them that way heavily favours the younger cohort, so it isn't adding a lot of clarity.

      It does make the point that young people are over represented in road accidents, but it doesn't do it in a useful way. My 83yro father still drives, but only a fraction of the kilometres he did 20 years ago, and only to a couple of local places.
      So the 80+ cohort might have many more accidents per kilometre travelled.

      • Loot N Plunder on 04/09/2023 - 10:01
        +1

        Lets look at speeding by age

        https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/car-insurance/research/speed…

        Once again the oldest aren't the main culprits.

        • mskeggs on 04/09/2023 - 10:08
          +1

          I promise I’m not picking a fight, I agree with your point, and my own experience is younger drivers tend to be less cautious - but stats that don’t have matching age cohorts, and don’t correct for kilometers driven are, frankly, garbage.
          If the age cohorts are varying and there is no normalization for the kilometers travelled/amount of driving, then you can’t reliably draw conclusions.
          This is a flaw in the stats that were published in those links, and the people who assembled them should be embarrassed, as they could have easily done a rigorous job.

  • Protractor on 04/09/2023 - 09:40
    +6

    I'd rather have an IQ minimum on the ppl posting threads on forums.

    • ChrisLevo on 04/09/2023 - 09:42

      That would disqualify the OP!

      • randomusername2017 on 04/09/2023 - 09:45

        To be fair..the OP is smart enough to unpublish posts when things don't go their way…

      • Protractor on 04/09/2023 - 09:45
        +1

        Could also disallow threads submitted by ppl still dressed by their Mums. Could also disqualify OP.

    • Gunnar on 04/09/2023 - 09:45
      +2

      Don’t insult people with a disability by comparing them to the OP!

  • Duckie2hh on 04/09/2023 - 09:45

    I support additional testing or requirements but not a flat out "maximum age" limit. If anything, the minimum legal age to drink should increase.

  • GG57 on 04/09/2023 - 09:58

    The obvious solution to ensuring that all drivers are capable is to enforce mandatory testing on all drivers, on a regular basis.

    • randomusername2017 on 04/09/2023 - 10:09

      Isn't that a bit unfair on NZ national rugby team members.

      • GG57 on 04/09/2023 - 10:28

        I have no idea what your comment refers to.

  • kekw on 04/09/2023 - 10:09
    +1

    Username checks out but wrong spelling, ass-say

  • djsweet on 04/09/2023 - 10:15

    The Australian retirement age is now 67. If we are saying people can and should work up to 67 years of age, how can we say they aren't fit to drive if they're over 65?

    • GG57 on 04/09/2023 - 10:27
      +1

      There isn't a "retirement age". I think you are referring to the age for access to the government aged pension.

      • djsweet on 04/09/2023 - 10:29

        Yes, that is what I mean. However, this threshold still implies that a person is fit to work up until that age.

        • GG57 on 04/09/2023 - 10:36

          It is more complex than that. For example, I understand that there are compulsory retirement ages from some roles (e.g. 60 for armed forces, 70 for federal court judges). This is retiring from that role, not from employment.

          This probably highlights how silly OP's suggestion is.

          • dtc on 04/09/2023 - 10:53

            @GG57: Judges do call their compulsory retirement it the 'statutory age of senility', so perhaps OP has a point…

            then again, plenty of retired judges charging $10k+ per day to run arbitrations or expert determinations, so OP might be the one with the lower intellect

  • MS Paint on 04/09/2023 - 10:24
    +1

    OP - your posts have peaked to a new all time low.

    various members of social circle

    Stop hanging around with all these weirdos who have the most obscure discussions.

  • rumblytangara on 04/09/2023 - 10:27
    +1

    I may receive backlash on this post but I thought this post was still valid due to large number of bad experiences by various members of social circle in last couple of years so can't be isolated events.

    This is probably a major factor that OP is overlooking.

    All experienced by those in your social circle? Look up "sampling bias." As a counterexample, the older folks around my area (and there are plenty of them) seem pretty responsible drivers and I keep being impressed with how mentally acute my older neighbours are.

    Then look up traffic accident statistics, and you would more reasonably conclude that males, young people, and poor people should not be allowed to drive.

  • shaybisc on 04/09/2023 - 10:28

    My father still had his licence at 90 until he decided to hand it in last year and had never been tested. Something is broken with that system if you can can it a system.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 04/09/2023 - 10:29
    +1

    Oz-Ageist

    Shouldnt be to do with age but i reckon all people who be forced to re-sit a driving test every 10-15 years

  • sumyungguy on 04/09/2023 - 10:32
    +2

    Any chance you've been reading Logan's Run by William F. Nolan?

    • try2bhelpful on 04/09/2023 - 10:43

      That was what came to mind. The other one is watching Soylent Green.

  • jv on 04/09/2023 - 10:41
    +2

    People above certain age shouldn't be allowed to drive due to slow reflexes

    Why not just ban all people with slow reflexes from driving?

    If that is really what you believe is the real issue…

  • Some Human on 04/09/2023 - 10:43
    +1

    Older people have places to be too, you know.

    How would you feel if someone told you you're not allowed to work or drive due to something beyond your control?

  • Godric on 04/09/2023 - 10:43

    Regarding driving, i wouldn't say 'shouldn't', i'd say a re-test should certainly apply though.

  • try2bhelpful on 04/09/2023 - 10:45
    +1

    I hope you walk into every job interview and spout this pearl of wisdom early on. It will save the potential employer wasting any more of their time.

    They say wisdom comes with age but it is hard when you start from such a low base.

  • witheredcouch on 04/09/2023 - 10:50

    The driving question has some Merit, though I think a re-test at various intervals would make more sense. The second question is way off the deep end.

  • El cheepo on 04/09/2023 - 10:52

    This has to be written by someone born after the year 2000

    How many useless teens and young adults do you encounter in those roles?
    I would say the majority.

    How many bad drivers are young?
    Again, probably the majority as they are more likely to be on their phone/distracted.

    • MS Paint on 04/09/2023 - 10:57

      written by someone born after the year 2000

      Correct. My guess is that OP is 8.

      • El cheepo on 04/09/2023 - 11:02

        Definitely only has the thinking ability of an 8 year old.

        Imagine floating the idea to stop people driving before retirement age and thinking thats a good idea…

        Time to get the popcorn for the next mega thread.

  • payless69 on 04/09/2023 - 10:57

    On the US example, to govern its country, they gone back to the "herd" effect.

    Having travelled over 100 countries I must say in sort of consumer service Australia is near the bottom!

  • ModeratorRichardL on 04/09/2023 - 11:06

    Comments closed as per request by OP.

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