Looking for Double Mattress - Budget $2,000

ClintonL on 18/08/2023 - 02:38
Last edited 18/08/2023 - 08:43 by 1 other user

Hi guys looking for a new double mattress. My budget is around $2k but I'm hoping to spend what it takes to get something good and right before the point of diminishing returns whatever it is. I can stretch to $2.5k if it's really that much better or will spend less if there's not much improvement.

I previously bought a Zzz Atelier which went in another room which was terrible and saggy so kind of turned off the ones in a box. Looking for something medium or medium/firm and I'm side sleeper if that matters. I tried a Sleepmaker Maison St Lopez at David Jones which on the 2 minutes of laying it I found good.

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  • Muzeeb on 18/08/2023 - 06:43
    +4

    TIL people still use double beds.

    • JIMB0 on 18/08/2023 - 07:57

      Must still be in the early stage of the relationship.

      • Archi on 18/08/2023 - 08:32

        or just single

        • [Deactivated] on 18/08/2023 - 11:00
          +1

          and short

  • rambutann on 18/08/2023 - 09:06
    +2

    Definitely get a bed in a box if you have a budget like that.. try Eva and Koala. If you dont like it within 100 days or so then you can return it for free.
    I've had both, Koala is a bit firmer.. I perfer the Eva.

    Also its significantly less than $2000..

    It's really hard to test a bed in a store because you don't actually get to truly try it out..

    • Drpepper666 on 18/08/2023 - 10:40
      -1

      bed ina box are crap

      • rambutann on 18/08/2023 - 11:11
        +3

        You know whats even more crap?
        Spending $2k on a mattress and finding that you hate it 2 months later but there's nothing you can do about it.

  • Daniel Plainview on 18/08/2023 - 09:09
    +1

    @ClintonL
    You seem to be in Sydney - so if I were you I'd definitely make the time to head over to the showroom of Ausbeds - the owner actually posts regularly on OzB (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/user/77255/comments) and has gone out of his way to try and educate folks here on what to look for in a mattress. Normally I'd feel this is just fluffing his own products but he was very happy to give credit to competitors where he felt it due - and in a product area where its hard to know BS from truth his posts were superb and I'd want to buy from him on those alone (or atleast ensure he was top of my list to consider buying from).

    His website is quite excellent - loads of great info and from what I've read his products seem truly superb and done with a focus on all the correct aspects of buyer need, not nonsense.

    Just bear in mind that you will spend 1/3 of your life on the mattress and if looked after it can easily last many, many years - so paying a lil bit more for quality is can actually end up being much cheaper in the long run for you - not to mention the quality of sleep etc.

    I would consult with them instore and get whats best based on your body weight & sleeping style:
    https://www.ausbeds.com.au/

    • Karl from ausbeds on 18/08/2023 - 14:04
      +2

      Thanks for the generous shoutout Nikko! Imagine my surprise when I check the ozbargain forums and I'm mentioned twice. Very chuffed :)

      So in order to address ClintonL's concern which seems to be "I'm hoping to spend what it takes to get something good and right before the point of diminishing returns whatever it is.'

      I've recently developed a new way of understanding the mysteries of the mattress for people. The reason I have done it is because I see the main problem that people have with mattresses all day everyday. And because I understand what the problem is extremely clearly.

      The problem folks, is this - The relationship between your bodyweight and the mattress spring.

      Most of the time (90% of the time), when people buy a mattress and it doesn't feel right, it's because "THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOUR BODY WEIGHT AND THE MATTRESS SPRING FIRMNESS" is incorrect. Sorry for the caps, just trying to emphasise the importance as it's the most important thing. It's not about the stuff on top, not yet anyway.

      The typical journey would go, customer buys a mattress, it's too firm/too soft, they change for another one. This time they get a firmer/softer one. What they have essentially done is changed the springs. All the fabric, and the foam on top all has to go in the bin because you got the springs wrong. Damn shame. All of the effort to return and arrange times to do this monumental task, all because the "The relationship between your bodyweight and the mattress spring" was incorrect.

      So ClintonL, the answer to your question "I'm hoping to spend what it takes to get something good and right before the point of diminishing returns whatever it is"

      Is, It won't matter how much you spend on your mattress if you don't get the "The relationship between your bodyweight and the mattress spring" correct.

      So how do you get "The relationship between your bodyweight and the mattress spring" correct?

      You find someone that has worked out what "The relationship between your bodyweight and the mattress spring" is, and you choose the right spring for your bodyweight. Obviously if you weigh 45kg, you will require a different spring to a 120kg person, all I'm trying to say is that (at the extreme end) if 120kg person requires a different spring to a 45 kg person, then a 60kg person needs a different spring to an 80kg person. Once this is understood, further optimisations are now possible.

      Once that is achieved, you need to make sure the stuff on top is going to last longer than 2 years. How do you do that? Genuine Latex, and not the Chinese latex, Chines latex has the same problems as polyfoam and memory foam. It dips quick. If you made it this far congratulations, you now understand more about mattresses than your local mattress retailer. This new knowledge may work at your local mattress retailer. You may be able to try to distinguish if the spring system is right for you rather than the superficial top layers.

      To add to this, finding the right springs is great, finding the cushioning depth (amount and type of foam) that you want is the top level.

      These two things is all you need to get right. For both of these things, it seems to me, everyone is different. There are so many combinations of these things that people like and that is why, there is no best mattress. There is only the right mattress for you, and that doesn't mean it will be the right mattress for your partner. (I fixed that aswell - different springs on each side)

      How do you navigate through through this minefield? find someone who knows where the mines are. These people are most likely found in smaller independent mattress factories.

      I pick up many of the mattress in a boxes and I pull them apart and test the springs because I'm curious of what they re doing. If I applied this principle to the mattresses I pull apart, I would say that for people over 90 kg, the sleep republic has a spring firm enough for you. If you are say, 75 kgs and below, The Macoda would be for you with it's soft spring.

      I still haven't got a contender for to 75kg-90kgs range just yet. If someone above 90kg got the macoda, they would likely leave a review saying the macoda is horrible and they are sinking into it too much. If someone was 70kgs and they got the sleep republic, they may find it too firm (unless they like a firm) For the price, these two mattresses have excellent value and I could easily recommend them to people in these weight ranges. I don't know the people that own the companies, I'm just trying to help people make sense of all of this mattress nonsense.

      • Karl from ausbeds on 18/08/2023 - 16:40
        +2

        To add to this argument, I have looked a part of the productreview.com.com that may help people figure out which mattress would suit their weight range. In productreview.com.au there is a section called "perceived firmness". This is the area where people can vote on what the mattress felt like to them (relative to their bodyweight).

        here is the macoda results
        Perceived Firmness
        Very Soft (3)
        Soft (19)
        Medium (34)
        Hard (5)
        Very Hard (1)

        You can see with the macoda there is a higher ration of people perceiving the mattress too soft. I would bet that the people perceiving too soft, would be over 85/90kgs, or even less.

        here is the sleep republic results

        Perceived Firmness
        Very Soft (12)
        Soft (36)
        Medium (597)
        Hard (116)
        Very Hard (3)

        You can see that there is a higher ratio of people perceiving the sleep republic to be firmer. This is because it has a firmer spring. Firmer spring = better for those of higher bodyweight.

        So you're a light person, could go through these results. and find the mattress that most people would feel is too soft. This would feel medium you.

        If you are a heavy person, you could go through these results and find the mattresses that most people would find too firm and that would most likely get you in the ballpark of something that will work for you.

        I've just checked the sleeping duck and it looks like it might be a contender for the 70-90kg bodyweight people as it seems to have a balanced ratio on the perceived firmness scale.

        Perceived Firmness
        Very Soft (53)
        Soft (461)
        Medium (2,774)
        Hard (411)
        Very Hard (25)

        These results match up with my expectations as I have felt the springs in these mattresses. it makes sense.

        This technique can help you avoid potentially wasting time, money, and the environment by getting closer to something that might work for you firmness wise. However it won't help with durability. If you are heavy, and you get the softer springs, over time you will be stretching the mattress toppings into the mattress springs and it will quickly lose support.

        • ClintonL on 18/08/2023 - 22:49

          Appreciate the response Karl, I'll try head into your store before I make a decision. I'm about 68kg so am on the lighter side so you mention going for a "softer" mattress but when I've tried mattresses in stores I prefer the "firmer" medium ones. Would this come into consideration at all or should I still go by the principal of a softer type one for myself.
          Also have you tried this https://www.fortywinks.com.au/bedmatch/ or have any thoughts on this bed scanner thing they have? Kinda reminiscent to the scanner they have at athletes foot that tells you what shoes to buy which I've had success with before.

          • Karl from ausbeds on 19/08/2023 - 09:36
            +1

            @ClintonL: No worries, Giving general advice is different to giving specific advice. So for example for a male at at 68kg who likes a firm feel I would give specific advice.

            A few facts - Men typically have smaller hips than woman and typically don't seem to want to sink in as much.

            You can have a firm feeling mattress with soft springs.

            for example, I have 4 springs (google ausbeds springs for more info)

            black - for those over 110kg
            blue - for those 90-110kg
            white - under 90kg
            yelllow - under 70kg

            These aren't concrete rules, these are what works 90% of the time for my customers.

            For your particular case, I might advise a white spring, then a microspring, then a (medium) 70kgm3 latex slab. Otherwise known as an aurora 6. You could also try the soft springs and put a firm latex on top. This would mould to your body however it would feel firm on top.

            Bedmatch? Don't waste your time. The only system that I have seen that might help is the pressure map system. It makes a pressure map of your body so you can make sure the pressure points are within a suitable range.

            Even though this is the best tool that I can find, I still feel that it would be useless in the hands of someone that didn't understand the relationship between spring tension and bodyweight. The retail industry is full of people that don't have a big interest in understanding how to fit people to mattresses.

            And I don't blame them, it's taken me 13 years to fully understand what the hells going on. And I am still learning more all the time. I literally has to build them for years to start to grasp it. Nobody is insane enough to want to understand it.

            I've only in the last few weeks been able to put this understanding into the words "The relationship between bodyweight and spring tension".

            So basically, come and have a chat if you like, much easier in person, I'm always there 10-5pm mon-fri and sometimes on saturday

  • thewiseone on 18/08/2023 - 10:08

    https://www.sleepingduck.com/au/mattress/?size=au-double - $1349

    I'm a massive fan of the sleeping duck mattress, have had mine for a couple of years now and have had family buy them and love them too. Medium was the perfect firmness for me but if you prefer softer they can send you inserts.

    I spent several hours researching mattresses when I was due for a change and found that many mattresses within a range usually had the same insides with a differentiated topper to expand the range of products and be able to charge more for the more premium top layer. Don't see how you could go wrong with a 100 night sleep guarantee tbh.

    • yoquierotaco on 18/08/2023 - 13:52

      OP, just use any of the companies like this that has guaranteed. Best in Beds, Solace Sleep, Emma Sleep, etc. Check the fine print for the guaranteed.

  • bohn on 18/08/2023 - 11:17
    +1

    check out https://www.ausbeds.com.au/
    the guy that owns it , Karl, talks a lot in the whirlpool thread Recommend me a mattress!

    they have locations in Sydney that you can check out.

    They will also make adjustments if it isn't right, and then refund you within 100 days or something like that.

  • ClintonL on 18/08/2023 - 12:33

    I can see the Ecosa Pure is on a big sale at $1500. Would this have sag issues as well?

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