Do You Agee with The Greens 2 Year Rent Freeze

Trying2SaveABuck on 31/07/2023 - 21:08
Last edited 31/07/2023 - 21:11

So there is a 'real' possibility of a double disolution at the ALP try to push there housing affordability fund which they believe is a partial solution to the housing crisis

'Labor has just 26 of the 76 Senate spots and believes it could win two or three extra Senate seats with a double dissolution.'

The Greens do not believe the bill goes far enough and they are 'demanding the government spend $2.5 billion a year on housing and pay the states to implement a nationwide freeze or capping of rents. The government says the former is unaffordable and the latter unconstitutional.'

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/full-term-double-dissol…

The LNP has some what broke up as Bridget Archer has broken ranks and offered her vote in support of the ALP Bill potentially other MPs will as well
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/liberal-rebel-splits-wi…

personally - i am 100 percent behind this bill passing i think the idea of a rent freeze will do more harm then good and i do believe this bill will help some Australians, id like to see bipartisen support from the two majors the Greens are asking for too much. However i acknowledge im not a 'renter' and some renters will be feeling the cost of living pinch so much they might be on the verge of homelessness and they are looking for the Greens/LNP to push for a better deal to help them. I also acknowledged im in a wealthy enough position to not 'worry' about cost of living and that some voters would feel incredbiliy let down by the way the ALP have left them to struggle without much/if any support and any more cost pressures will see them hit breaking point.

Poll Options

  • 160
    Yes Freeze the rent for 2 years
  • 762
    No do not Freeze rents it not a practical solution
  • 25
    I dont know
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Comments

  • imurgod on 04/08/2023 - 09:24
    +2

    The Greens have zero idea how anything works.

    This half-baked idea would only see rents increase further as demand further outstrips supply.

  • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 11:05

    How on earth can you freeze rents without a rush of preemptive rent rises?

    Id rather have a 2 years freeze on the greens.Politically it would make no difference and save some tax payer money. They are a hollow shell since Brown retired, and are now just egotistical social engineering advocates who would not know the environment if it fell on them.
    Self anointed school prefects without the credibility that goes with it

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 04/08/2023 - 11:09
      -1

      Fair point i agree but if you voted ALP then you essentially 'voted' Greens as they preference each other - remember that next election

      • Bumblegrum on 04/08/2023 - 14:10
        +1

        And remember if you vote for the Libs then you are voting a pack of snout in trough liars into power, have the lessons of the last Lib government already been forgotten ?

        • Subada on 04/08/2023 - 15:33
          -1

          LNP are corrupt pigs but lets not forget the ALP was happy to go ahead with hamstringing the federal ICAC.

          Preference Lib/Lab last.

          • Trying2SaveABuck on 04/08/2023 - 15:42

            @Subada:

            LNP are corrupt pigs but lets not forget the ALP was happy to go ahead with hamstringing the federal ICAC.

            i must of missed it but from what i have seen Albo has not yet set up an independant ICAC matter of fact he has defended corrupt politicians in his front bench ie katy gallagher, Pearson etc……

            im all for the ICAC but so far the is no difference between the two majors…….i actaully have no faith either party will ever put in a ICAC [or one that can 'actually do something]……Albos entire time in power he has done nothing but 'push the voice' which is losing popularity by day

            Albo has broken 90 percent of his pre-election promises or failed to deliver [so far] he actually is making Scomo look 'not so bad' and scomo wad pretty shit

            if we have IBAC in victoria that has found Andrews and the ALP guilty of corruption/abuse of power multiple times and literally nothing happens

            • serpserpserp on 04/08/2023 - 17:30
              -1

              @Trying2SaveABuck:

              Albo has broken 90 percent of his pre-election promises or failed to deliver [so far]

              Can you give us a breakdown of the promises he kept and the ones he hasn't?

              • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 19:57

                @serpserpserp: Maybe it means > "90% of the promises they wanted him to make, never eventuated" ?

          • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 16:19

            @Subada: The AFP have more control over the destiny of who gets pinged than the NACC does. The current senate committee enquiry exposed that.
            Politicians should not be appointing the AFP leadership.It becoems a reward /loyalty risk, where there should be none.
            I'd rather see appointments as an adjunct of the high court to appoint such important no partisan positions

      • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 15:39
        +2

        There's a tradition in Straya of (a) voting self interest, and (b) voting ppl out, not in.

        The majority of voters cannot be arsed filling out voting ballots once every few years even though it defines our entire lives for decades more.
        Like I said the greens are manikins, and I'm very acutely aware that ALP votes benefit them. Hence I forensically research the fall of the cards in every election to ensure my vote slots into maximum benefits to the big picture. Never forget this ALP is as LNP as the LNP on all things war monger and selling us out to the USA. Another military base/centre announced today not 10 days from one about missiles. A week before that a reconned warship gets rebadged here.Glow in the dark subs will be parking and oozing here real soon. We are almost guaranteed of being Americas proxy military cemetery going fwd
        I;m glad you recognise this ALP as ALP, because on election night I did, and from 'their' version of AUKUS onwards they have lost the plot.
        EDIT> FYI

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-04/us-mission-planning-c…

        Discovered in the US govt discussion, not even told to us or announced by our own ALP (yes ALP) govt.
        Ask yourself what made the ALP roll over. Who got to Ms Wong FFS?

        • Trying2SaveABuck on 04/08/2023 - 15:50

          There's a tradition in Straya of (a) voting self interest, and (b) voting ppl out, not in.
          The majority of voters cannot be arsed filling out voting ballots once every few years even though it defines our entire lives for decades more.
          Like I said the greens are manikins, and I'm very acutely aware that ALP votes benefit them. Hence I forensically research the fall of the cards in every election to ensure my vote slots into maximum benefits to the big picture. Never forget this ALP is as LNP as the LNP on all things war monger and selling us out to the USA. Another military base/centre announced today not 10 days from one about missiles. A week before that a reconned warship gets rebadged here.Glow in the dark subs will be parking and oozing here real soon. We are almost guaranteed of being Americas proxy military cemetery going fwd
          I;m glad you recognise this ALP as ALP, because on election night I did, and from 'their' version of AUKUS onwards they have lost the plot.

          Majority of voters are idiots but the amount of anti-Greens voters i meet makes me laugh bcuz most of them Vote ALP….they seem to not understand how the basic preference system works.

          personally id vote ALP if they werent in bed with the lunatics Greens but whilst the preference 'deal' is in place LNP will always get my vote

          ALP are meant to be the 'center' party but they are essentially left wingers in modern Australia parading as a 'center' party

          • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 16:25

            @Trying2SaveABuck: No-one knows what the ALP is anymore, not even them.(see US political/military fellatio)
            The CFMEU controls the ALP. That hasn't changed.
            Socially the ALP has a role to play.
            One day I'll discover what the LNP stand for. It aint the broader population.
            I'd say both parties are now centre right with some elements of left policy as payback to other unions manifesting as soft portfolios. Unimportant (cough cough) things like environment,ag,education etc
            The LNP is ONLy centre right in that the 'centre' component is the same few sheckles as per the ALP softoids,
            So 98% extreme right, 2 % SC ( flaccid member )

            • Trying2SaveABuck on 04/08/2023 - 19:54

              @Protractor:

              No-one knows what the ALP is anymore, not even them.(see US political/military fellatio)
              The CFMEU controls the ALP. That hasn't changed.
              Socially the ALP has a role to play.
              One day I'll discover what the LNP stand for. It aint the broader population.
              I'd say both parties are now centre right with some elements of left policy as payback to other unions manifesting as soft portfolios. Unimportant (cough cough) things like environment,ag,education etc
              The LNP is ONLy centre right in that the 'centre' component is the same few sheckles as per the ALP softoids,
              So 98% extreme right, 2 % SC ( flaccid member )

              the ALP are having a referendum to give 1 race more power then any other how are they 'center right' - it is extremist left………bar the environmental targets this current ALP federal government has pretty much failed/failing at everything

    • Bumblegrum on 04/08/2023 - 14:07

      And what happens to the landlords if their mortgage rises, are they just expected to just wear the loss ?

      • Subada on 04/08/2023 - 15:27

        That's exactly what's being asked of renters now though. "Oh rents rose again woops, get (profanity) go live on the streets if you can't afford it I got punters lining up around the block".

        Housing is an essential service like energy or water. If prices rise dramatically people's lives get ruined, families can be broken up, people can die. In this context a 2 year pause coupled with mass investment in social housing is the only moral choice.

        • Bumblegrum on 04/08/2023 - 15:32

          I guess people could just work more hours to make up the money and the winning strategy is to live within your means. People that have to have the best of everything without thinking about how to pay for it all are always going to have a date with disaster regardless of how the economy is doing.

          • Subada on 04/08/2023 - 15:38
            +1

            @Bumblegrum: Yeah sure the people on disability support pension can just "work more hours". They need to stop expecting the best of everything like food, water and shelter.

            I'm sure you're right about 90% of the people struggling right now who did something like take out a car loan to get the latest Dodge RAM child crusher edition that burns $100 bills for fuel. However for that last 10% of people, that've been pushed to the bleeding edge by successive LNP governments sucking our government support systems dry to pay off their mates, who for whatever reason can't make it in our cut-throat society, how can you tell them they need to suck it up or be homeless?

          • Ghost47 on 04/08/2023 - 17:28

            @Bumblegrum:

            I guess people could just work more hours to make up the money and the winning strategy is to live within your means.

            This is what Lowe has said and I agree with it and it goes for everyone — landlords and tenants.

            • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 20:09

              @Ghost47: and for the growing number who have little or no means to live within?
              WhyTF are we pissing gazillions $$ up against a war machine wall and translocating Americas entire pacific poison here?

              We are swapping our grand-kids future health,child,aged care funds so as to be owned by another country based on a movie themed myth over 70 years old.

              Who pays to be a target/a dumping ground/a nuke waste dump/ a military campsite/ poxy missile base/factory.
              This shit was never endorsed by Australians at any point. The ALP have just torn our sovereignty to shreds while ppl whinge about a relevant historical tweak to our constitution, the Yanks get to use ours as dunny paper.
              I'll say one thing, the ALP has made megalomaniac LNP pollies redundant. They have blown them out of the water on generational war legacy impacts.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/08/2023 - 20:06
          +1

          Housing is an essential service like energy or water.

          That does not mean that it is essential to have 2 bedroom house all for yourself. A bunk bed in shared room of 16 will suffice.

  • mike6969 on 04/08/2023 - 12:08

    Allowing housing to become an attractive investment is the root cause of this crisis and needs to be reversed ASAP.

    • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 13:33
      +1

      Scrap negative gearing on All second properties >onward.Retrospectively.If investors don't like it they can sell up.

      • MrThing on 04/08/2023 - 16:28

        Sounds fair to cap neg gearing to a defined amount of properties

        Grandfather it so it doesnt upset people now

        Surely it'd sail through, because it basically impacts no one except that small amount of people who may end up buying numerous IPs

        • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 16:57

          That's the general gist of it

  • AircraftFreight on 04/08/2023 - 14:10
    +3

    As someone who is a landlord, you should see how much our interest rate risings are costing us.

    • TEER3X on 05/08/2023 - 17:36
      -2

      Sell some houses then, the market is very short on stock

      • MrFunSocks on 07/08/2023 - 13:38
        +1

        And who do you think is going to buy the houses with the interest rates the way they are? Not the people struggling with rising rent lol. It'll be the millionaires, the 1% who already own 5+ investment properties. You think that will make the current situation any better?

  • Johnsmithaus on 04/08/2023 - 14:56
    -1

    The Greens are a meme party, how anyone votes for them is a mystery. Probably the types of people that believe they deserve everything in life for free.

    • Protractor on 04/08/2023 - 15:41

      Hippies, wannabe hippies and people with dementia.

  • c9 on 04/08/2023 - 15:09
    +1

    Why people always assume investors will try to offload and take the money somewhere else?

    But why can't the landlord put their investment property in Airbnb market? Homestay service? Any rent cap for hotel or motel now? Or rent out the bedroom individually as share flatmates instead of a whole unit

  • MrThing on 04/08/2023 - 16:25

    Typical greens, total idiots

    Poor renters so lets screw the landlords.

    Ye goodo

  • nuttapillar on 05/08/2023 - 00:20

    Why would it cost $2.5 billion to tell landlords "hey, you're not allowed to increase your rent for a while"? Just make a new rule, but where does the billions of dollars go?

  • shortgum on 05/08/2023 - 02:27

    yes. renter feeling the squeeze so rent freeze. ok. mortgage holder feeling squeeze. so the bank need to rate freeze.

    l support it if they both work together otherwise is political bs

    • TEER3X on 05/08/2023 - 08:08

      Yeah, that's not going to cause any problems at all smh

  • glitchmstr on 05/08/2023 - 11:48

    There's a lot more people with investment properties than one would expect in a website that's all about nickel and diming.

    • Trying2SaveABuck on 05/08/2023 - 18:20
      +1

      How do you think you own an investment property?

  • BusMan247 on 07/08/2023 - 08:08
    +1

    Government intervention in a free market can’t when they need votes, it needs to be when appropriate and should remain laws and moral compass type stuff. Ban drugs. Ban guns whatever.

    But to tell landlords what they can charge, they might as well start telling my coffee shop that $7 is a ridiculous price for my ice latte, my mechanic that $400 for an oil change is absurd and apple to stop with $2000 iPhones when they are at best $20 worth of components.

    I get it, govt needs to write a policy that won’t actually affect all their buddies hence why we have a nation of smart people seemingly unable to come up with a solution

  • Bumblegrum on 07/08/2023 - 20:36
    +1

    Perhaps it’s time to stop overseas investors from buying up housing. And therefore pushing up prices

    If you are not a resident you shouldn’t be allowed to buy up property here.

  • xdigger on 08/08/2023 - 10:16
    -2

    The Greens by and large have fair policies, even though as a self-interested landlord I disagree with the rent freezes.

    This rent freeze debate is an unfortunate distraction though. Despite the Greens' proposed big spendings, they don't top the $400 billions in AUKUS/Defence spendings and other pork barrel projects granted by LNP/ALP.

    This costs of livings crisis is essentially a manufactured crisis given we HAVE the money to help everyday Aussies if spent on housing, electricity, health, etc, but instead these hundreds of billions (likely blowout to trillions by the end of the AUKUS deal) have been earmarked for the US military industrial complex by corrupt ex- and existing politicians, assisted by American agents working in Defence.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-08/aukus-lobbyists-mps-d…

  • quog on 08/08/2023 - 15:48
    +3

    the problem is excessive migration and illegal immigration, but we cant talk about that as its racist.

  • payless69 on 11/08/2023 - 01:43
    +1

    Just freeze a greenie properly and put him/her into a finance museum?

  • GenerallyClumsy on 20/08/2023 - 09:41

    I think a rent freeze will only distort the market further and hit mums and dads who are already doing it tough.

    The Australian property market is distorted by investors who keep their properties empty and unused. I'm not talking about low use like Airbnb or holiday houses I'm talking about homes that are never used. This is not something mum and dad investors don't do. Before we spend billions building homes the government should incentivise better occupancy of existing places. There is a lot of junk real estate out there but until they try to find a tenant for it it's unclear how bad the problem is.

    I'm disappointed the greens are not trying to fill the glut of empty properties before they build more. It seems the media and politicians are ignoring the elephant in the room. China has a massive ghost property problem and i think we have a similar thing going on here.

  • Dave4118 on 22/08/2023 - 00:32

    Freemarkets good… Socialism bad…

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